The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3- Doug Gottlieb Guest Hosting

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

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Yes, that's my accent. I can do a little of the government. That's about all I got from time. Happy Fourth of July to you. It's weird. You know, the crew is in Southern California. I'm in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and the difference, we got to have a fireworks discussion at some point,

because if you grew up in California or you spend lots of time in California, you know, because of fire hazard. And what's crazy about fire hazard is, Fourth of July in Southern California, it's, everyone seems to have illegal fireworks. everyone but generally frowned upon

and not sold at your the fireworks you can get at the local fireworks stand is like those little roses you know and you can line up like 10 of them at once and they spin around it's kind of cool I do think that there's a

there's a cottage industry of making fireworks that I would love to know the developmental things because some of the things are the same as they've been less. Like, well, you see one fireworks thing, you've seen them all. They do some cool stuff,

but like what, I was watching, I was at my country club, but not a country club in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's actually in Howard. And we're watching a fireworks show last night. The fireworks go off.

And there's some of them where they have like a second and third act. They blow up and then they go into, you know, and then there's like hearts. Or then there's, other little things, so the trail comes down. And I just, like, I want to know who's developing these things. Where are they developing?

Who comes up with it? How are the substances put together? What goes, because for all these things that go right, this actually feels like a Jason Stewart 101 thing, right? Jay Stu, you know this. In order for those fireworks to go right now, they had to have gone wrong a thousand times over in trying to develop a firework. Fair?

Oh, you would think so. You think that's a lot of trial and error. Got to be in a controlled area. Sure. Yeah. So where are these things developed? Who are these people who are developing them? You know, it's a lot.

There's that Seinfeld bit where he talks about seedless watermelon. You know, and I'm paraphrasing a little bit where he's like, not cure for cancer, but somebody thought that is just too much to take. If you can develop, however they develop these. fireworks to where they shoot off, they explode in a multitude of colors, but the colors are perfectly controlled, and then they can explode again and form hearts in the sky. You have an amazing talent with your use of chemistry. To use that on fireworks seems like a bit of a waste, but again, I don't know.

I don't know how much these fireworks shows cost. I'm fascinated by the fireworks industry. And I also wonder if the people who work at those fireworks stores, if they're the same people who work at the pumpkin patch, the same people who work at the Christmas tree stores, you know, the pop-up Christmas trees, where you can go and go get your Christmas tree? The Halloween costs. What are those Halloween stores that pop up usually in empty malls? Huh? Spirit Halloween? Yes.

Yeah, those are everywhere. Yeah. Yes. But they're only around Halloween, right? I think they are now open. They change their business smile. I think they're trying to stay open year round now. How's that working out for that?

I do not give out financial advice. I'll always say this, that Instagram was amazing for the costume industry and costume parties and everything else. Instagram basically, I want to see the financial breakdown of how much that has impacted. costume salespeople. Yeah, usually if I see like a picture of like a costume from Spirit Halloween on like social media, someone's just mocking it for being really low quality. Yet these stores pop up everywhere. So people must be going to them.

Right. But they're also, they're also getting a lot of lots that are basically taken over from other businesses that are going out of business. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the bed bath and beyonds that went out are now Spirit Halloween stores. I was trying to do a.

quick search on how these things are made. And I'm not getting anywhere, but I will say this. Fireworks are crafted by professionals called pyrotechnicians. A pyrotechnician is a professional that handles safe storage handling and function of fireworks. I don't know how many jobs are available like that, but that's a pretty badass name, just to, you know, name for a job, just to drop at a bar or something when you're meeting people. My son is like, he's legit gone like, what does it take to be a pyrotechnician? That sounds like fun.

That's kind of every, I would say of, if you ask teenage boys, right, and you did a breakdown of like, what would the coolest jobs be? They're like, you know, professional athlete, rock or rap star, probably somebody on TV. Do we still do astronaut? Is that still a? No. No. No. No.

Nope. Nope. Because then they find out, like, you get a lot of math and science, like, nah, I'm good. Now, there's probably a lot of math and chemistry to being a pirate technician. But if you say, like, well, I'm a pyro technician, like, well, that's a cool name. And then they say, like, what is that? I blow stuff up. Like, well, that's kind of awesome.

Wait, you get paid for that? Yeah. you were asking earlier what they do when it's not you know firework season and I've got to imagine like I don't know you

what was the band who like burned the they had but they had a pirate they burned the bulls banners at the United Center but they had but that was from pyrotechnics so I imagine when it's not

Fourth of July season you're just going around with like you know concerts rock bands and like kind of yeah those kind of big pyrotechnic displays which aren't really like you know full fields of fireworks but it's kind of the same stuff. You're just kind of, you know, setting on fire, setting stuff on fire and whatnot. Yeah. Has, here's another question, which I think we know the answer to. It's like AI is going to take people's

jobs. Have drone shows taking pirate technicians jobs? Not yet, but as someone who owns a cat here in Los Angeles, I kind of wish they'd be a little more popular just because people keep setting them off right off across from the city park. I'm near, I know that won't stop with drone shows, but I've seen some video of drone shows from, like, China, and they look, they look very impressive to, like, align that many drones and make shapes in the sky. No, they have them here. They're incredible. There is something still about blowing stuff up that we like as Americans. Right.

It's like, yeah, it's the same thing, but does something actually explode? Oh, yeah. No, when I was younger, like. Could we, could we? And there's also the, could we die and could we, could it all burn up? Like, no, like, yeah, I'm not really into it. It's like, no, it looks way better. It's visually incredibly impressive.

You have all these thousands of drones, you know, spelling out people's name in cursive and looking like in a 3D light show. You're like, that's great. Could we die? No, I don't know. I can't. Is this the time of year when? There's nothing more American than something that technologically is so unbelievably advanced.

And like, yeah, but it doesn't blow stuff up. So, like, I kind of like to blow stuff up. guy as a as a coach because i keep thinking about this in the context of the nfl after like jason pierre paul and i know there was an incident with uh yes i said a couple other players but yeah i was going to say is this is it the time of year where like every coach has to just really enforce you know personal safety on everyone out there my guys weren't really into my guys like i was like how many guys like ever you know mess with fireworks like none of them were really into it but i just you know we yes you had to pay attention to but you also pay

attention to hey wherever you're going tonight like just stay there because people on the road you got to make the assumption people are drinking and driving so yeah i mean by we set them home for a couple days for like a week and you know their marching orders are you're not blowing anything up like just don't do it no roman candles absolutely just none of them it's just not worth not worth any of it and uh uh you know if if if you need a ride wherever you are you call me tell me drop a pin i'll send you an uber and get you home i don't care but we're not we're not getting behind the wheel and we're not driving with anybody's been drinking and after you know 11 o'clock honestly probably shouldn't be out the road believe it or not

so that's just how we how we handle it but yeah you have to have those conversations uh because at the end of the day i'm responsible for him you know i have a 28 year old going to be 29 year old sophomore but I'm still responsible for him so he's still my guy anyway yeah I I just I think it's a bit of an underserved industry that we don't know anything about right and then every year we call these people and here they have just these explosive devices I don't know how they set them off I don't know how much it costs I don't know what's in these things I don't know how they're developed I'm actually kind of fascinated by it Maybe we don't know these things because it's not fascinating, and it's really simple.

Or they're all made in China, and we can't get any information. Doug Ghalybin for Colin, this is the herd. Yeah, let's do this. Let's talk some of LeBron with Mark Stein. Because there's a lot of, just some of this stuff doesn't make sense. I just like things that make sense. Maybe that's why I'm interested in the, uh, pyrotech. Just make it make sense to be.

Tell me what the process is between how it goes up and explodes, how many different, like, I don't know what they're even called, end tales there are, how it works. I just like things to make sense. LeBron James and the whole messaging from Rich Paul doesn't really make sense. Like, it makes sense to want to compete for a championship. It doesn't make sense to sign,

you know, pick up your player option and then complain that your team doesn't have good enough players around you when you could have taken less money or not pick up your player option and then become a free agent, go wherever you want. It doesn't make sense. So we'll have Mark Stein join us and he'll help us get to the bottom of what's really going on with the brawn. And is there a world in which he's traded this offseason or next season? That's next in the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallor. It would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey.

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free and see everybody clear in space. They won LeBron James, 2014, 2018, all these times which LeBron was a free agent. And yeah, now it's go time. Let's go get LeBron James. Fast forward to this year. And he signs his player option, he picks up his player option.

And then, of course, Rich Paul, comes out, says LeBron wants to compete for a championship. He knows the Lakers are building for the future. He understands that, but he values a realistic chance at winning at all. So the first thing is, okay, if you don't like being in L.A., why did you pick up your option? And if you don't think you can win a championship with Luca, and I think we would all say Luca is a top five player in the league.

right worst case top 10 you want to you want to get the well this i like this oh okay top 10 lebron was second team all nbaa last year whether he should have been or not should have been shouldn't shouldn't have been that's we can debate it how can you not think you can compete for a championship if you have those two guys on the floor at once now reality is neither am guard a soul so no you're not beating anybody deandreaten also not particularly a defender I don't really understand that part of the plan. But who else in the NBA has two top 10 players in the NBA and doesn't think they can compete? So the first part is he obviously is not down with that plan.

But the second part is they're admitting LeBron's not a top 10, top 15 player, which is reasonable. He's 40 years old. But look, this is just me guessing, talking to people. a guy who knows so much more about what's going on the NBA is Mark Stein. Of course, longtime NBA writer writes a substack called the Steinline, joins us now in the Hurd on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so help me out.

I just, LeBron has said one thing and done another for a long time. That's not surprising. Lots of people do it. But if you want to win a championship, and that's the sole focus of your last couple years, like heck even go back to why did you make him draft brawny why did they do lots of the thing but now why pick up your option when you could have been free to choose whatever team you wanted to join

well i think deep down you know the reason you're not going to say no to 53 million dollars i mean that's really what it comes down to and there obviously is a comfort level that lebron and his family clearly have in l a this is this season will be year eight the longest he's been with one team in a continuous stretch in his career, I got to be honest, I'm just not putting a lot of stock or expending a lot of energy trying to make sense of the statement.

You know, it was great for talk show fodder and had a new cycle of its own, but like I don't put, like, trying to decipher the statement to me is just, at this point, I think you are, you are spending too much of your energy on it to worry about the statement too much. I mean, the reality is they don't have control. It's the first time since LeBron has been a Laker, and it's really the first time anywhere he's

been that he is not in control of the situation. And I think that's really what led to that statement to give it an appearance of control. But the minute the Lakers made that trade, this became Luca Dantich's team. the Lakers are looking at everything through a Luca Dantzic lens. And look, the statement even did acknowledge that. And I think deep down, LeBron does understand that. He is going to turn 41 this season and he's heading for year 23, which we've never seen. So I think deep down he understands those things better than we do.

But it's a different, he's in a different position than he's ever been. because he's now on an expiring deal. You know, this is the first time, I think, he's done nine NBA contracts, something like that, maybe more. First time that he hasn't, you know, he hasn't had control. He's on an expiring contract now,

and this is new territory for him. What's the likelihood that he plays somewhere other than the Lakers next year? It's really hard to do a trade for him because, A, that contract, is so big. It's a $53 million contract. And so pretty much any trade that you propose is going to include long-term money that we know the Lakers don't want to take back. The reason Dorian Finney Smith is no longer a Laker is because the Lakers only wanted to give him two years. They didn't want to do a longer-term deal than that. And the Rockets were willing to give him a four-year deal. And so when we're

And then you all set to factor in, don't forget, LeBron is one of only two players in the NBA who has a full no-trade clause. The list is LeBron James and Bradley Biel. So you can't trade LeBron unless he chooses the team. And to come up with a trade that would satisfy the Lakers' long-term wishes, again, is really hard to do because the number is so large. So there's been talked that why can't LeBron just seek a buyout? now so he could have his free agency.

The Lakers are not just going to buy him out as a thank you, even though they are grateful for what he's done for that franchise. I mean, before LeBron got there was probably the worst six or seven year period in Lakers history. And they won a championship in his second season. And they do greatly value everything he's brought to that franchise over the past seven seasons. but they're not just going to buy him out and let him walk out the door and choose his next team, especially when, as you said, last season he was second team all NBA.

He is still one of the top 10 or 15 players, however you want to rank it. Even at his age, he is still one of the 10 or 15 best players in the league. The Lakers are not just going to say, here, we're buying you out. Thank you for everything you've done. Go walk to Dallas or walk to Golden State and join that team for a team for a lot. minimum. I would be very surprised if that happens. All that being said, is there a chance he could go somewhere else? Yes, there is always a chance in the NBA. I'm not going to say anything is impossible anymore. We learn that lesson in the loudest way on February, in the wee hours of

February 2nd when the Mavericks traded Luca Donchich to the Lakers in the middle of the season and the middle of the night. And then we just saw it this week when nobody woke up, was it Tuesday or Wednesday, I'm already losing track now. Maybe it was Wednesday. Nobody woke up that day thinking that the Milwaukee bucks were going to wave and stretch the contract of Damien Liller to sign Miles Turner. Miles Turner going back to Indiana was regarded as a near certainty. And it just shows you again that in the NBA, anything is possible. So I'm not going to sit here and say, It absolutely cannot happen, but there are a lot of factors that make it complicated. Okay.

Janice, what's the likelihood he plays for the buck sticks next year? It will all depend on does this move to bring in Miles Turner, satisfy him and make him happy enough. And, you know, my good friend Chris Haynes, my former podcast partner, I mean, he reported earlier this week that Janice was not thrilled about the way that this was all handled, which involved the stunning decision to wave and stretch and let Damien Lillard go on the day that Damian Lillard's contract extension that he originally signed in Portland was kicking in. It's actually great for Dame because he's going to get all

his money and he now has free agency and optionality. So it looks very cold and heartless on paper, but I don't think Dame is heartbroken about the situation. But look, We don't know, we still don't know where Yonis stands. Teams around the league have approached it as they think he's staying in Milwaukee. The Bucks are certainly operating with the belief that he will stay and they're doing everything they can to make the team better. They went out and signed Miles Turner away from the Pacers, which no one saw coming. They've tried to talk Chris Paul into joining them to fill a backcourt need.

I don't love their chances of making that happen, but at least they've tried. So the Bucks are trying. But I think Yonis has also shown us that he's going to do this on his timetable. You know, and he's going to, he is not, while he is not, he is not asked for a trade. And it's very clear. He is, you know, the Bucks last played a game. I think it was April 29th. So we've been waiting, you know, more than more than a couple months now.

He has not said I want to be traded, but he has also not come out and said, I am definitely staying here. I am a buck for the foreseeable future. Now, he also doesn't have to do that. He's under contract. He's under no obligation to do it. But I still think there is a wait and see kind of approach that people are taking to see how he reacts to this move and to the buck summer.

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as warnings to other teams on acquiring the best player on bad teams and assuming that the numbers will translate not only directly over, but to success.

We know that's not how it works. But who's the guy who is most likely to be the next Damien Lillard or Brad Beale? Great player moved. And again, we're going to try it again, which is we'll see if it translates on one of the elite teams. Well, look, I think those situations are, I would say, a little bit different because the bucks traded for,

for Damien Lillard because Janice wanted to play with Damian Lillard and that was very much out of the playbook of, look, John Horace to BufCM twice, he traded for Drew Holiday. Janice immediately did a contract

extension in response to that trade and the Bucks went out and won a championship. They did it again. He trades for Damian Lillard. Janus signs another contract extension in response to that move obviously the Lillard Gamble did not work out so well.

On the Beal situation, the Sons were, you know, as that deal was coming together, there was great skepticism that that could work. So the Sons, I think, did that more out of, you know, that was, you know, Matt Ispia just as he went all in for Kevin Durant. And again, the Sons were able to trade Kevin Durant to Houston, but compare what they got to what they gave up. The Sons gave up four first round picks, a first round pick swap, and Cam Johnson and McHale Bridges to get Durant.

They didn't get nearly. Did they get half back of what they gave up? And then they doubled down by bringing in Beal to join Durant and Devin Booker when a lot of people said, these are three offensive-minded players who all like to operate in the mid-range don't do this. Well, the sons did it anyway. So I don't really compare those two moves because, like I said, I think Milwaukee had ample justification to roll the dice on the Dane-Lillard move, and it just didn't work.

And going for Drew Holiday did work. So, I mean, and now with Miles Turner, this is the third big swing from the Bucks John Horse-led front office, and we'll see how it turns out. I mean, there's no shortage of skepticism this time, too. In terms of who's next, I think you also have to factor in in the new NBA with these luxury tax aprons. It's really hard to, like, just those kind of salaries in general, you don't want to have more than two. I mean, it's really hard to have three high-saried players and build any kind of team around them because of what the second. an apron does in terms of taking away your team building tools. You know, when the, when, you know,

if I go back to February, there was all this talk that, oh, now the MAZ are going to try to get Durant to play with Kyrie and Anthony Davis. They were never going after Kevin Durant. They didn't want a three-star construction because they know it's not sustainable. What makes their construction now because you're getting Cooper flag to be that third star, but he's going to be on a rookie deal for the next three-plus years. So that makes it, that, you know, that, you know, that, you know, that, you know, that's where the difference is. I mean, it's just, it's really hard to build an NBA team with three very expensive contracts. Last thing here, Mike Brown with the New York Knicks.

What's the league's reaction to the hire? I think it's somewhat been muted because it's happening in the throws of free agency. And as we move away from free agency and as the whole league gets ready to gather in Vegas that it will generate more discussion. but it really the reaction hasn't changed. The shock in New York was not that they made a coaching change. I mean, discontent with Tom Tibido, there were rumblings about that, you know, before this season. I mean, it's not a new thing.

What shocked everybody is they didn't appear to have a succession plan in place. You figure if you're going to fire the most successful coach you've had in the 21st century, you know exactly who you're going to get. And yeah, I cannot wait for the ultimate press conference because they're going to have to answer that question. Even if Mike Brown wowed them in the interview process, even if Mike Brown is the right guy, because of what the Knicks did, because they went after five other coaches who were not available, it just gives the impression that at best, Mike Brown was your sixth choice. And he's going to have to live with that.

but also, by the time the camp comes around and the season starts, does it really matter? I mean, if he can get the job done, that will gradually fade. But, of course, you know, Mike Brown is also known as a defensive-minded coach like Tibbs. So is he really bringing a different approach to what the Knicks have done than Tibido has and will only know that and see that with time? but yeah I mean I don't you know the Knicks are not being celebrated and and lauded here because their process was just so weird Mark Stein check out the substack called the Stein

Mark you're the best man happy fourth be safe and thanks for joining us happy fourth to all of you guys be good this is the this is the herd I'm Doug Ghalybin for Colin let's get to Jason Stewart with the news no no turn on the news news. Hey Doug, let's pick up right where you two left off. Let's pick up where you left off. The news on the Mike Brown situation is this. I know the whole thing is going to happen, but the news is I saw a report today where they've agreed verbally only and that the contractor will be

signed officially next week where I presume there will be a press conference. I want to know your opinion on this. We just got Mark Stein's opinion on this, but what's your opinion on them landing on Mike Brown after as Mark Stein just said a awkward strange process that alienated a bunch of trade partner

listen I I think Mike I consider Mike a friend I like Mike a lot I thought I did a really good job in Sacramento I thought they actually remember they played really fast which will be a change

obviously from how they played and played slow in New York, but hasn't been an emphasis on playing fast. You know, so much of the NBA is about respect in the locker room. You can't get the specter in locker room unless you win. You can't win unless you have respect to the locker room. He's a guy who's, he coached LeBron to an NBA finals to a Western conference finals as well. Obviously, you got the kings of the playoffs. And, you know, what I've heard with the Knicks is one of the bigger issues is Rick Brunson,

is that, you know, there's a feeling that he, we, yields too much power. And even though his son's the best player on that team, the leader of that team, it doesn't necessarily work well with some of those guys. So how Mike works with Rick, because Rick is not leaving that staff, despite the coaching change, I think it's probably the most interesting part. But, yeah, I mean, like I said initially, you cannot fire Tom Tibido unless you're going to hire somebody who's been to the point

and maybe beyond where Tibbs has been in the playoffs. Mike fits that. So I actually think he's pretty good higher. He's coached for the Lakers. That didn't work. But, you know, with you either, when you fail at something, you either blame everybody else or you learn from it and improve. I thought he learned from it.

He was a better coach in Sacramento than he was in L.A. Doug, for those who have not heard, Joey Chestnut won his 17th Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest. earlier today after skipping a year remember he was banned last year over some controversy over fake hot dogs the details on the wind today

are he ate actually 70 and a half hot dogs don't allow people out there to tell you that he ate 71 it's 70 and a half which is five and a half short of his own record of 76 hot dogs in 10 minutes yeah slip it and our guy Patrick Bertoletti,

which we just don't hear enough about this guy, came in second place. He finished with 46 and a half. So Joey Chestnut just completely dominating the field today, and this is what he had to say. As his digestive system went to work on 70 and a half hot dogs, he did an interview on ESPN. Oh my gosh, I was nervous.

First couple of hot dogs, I was fumbling a little bit, but I found a pretty good rhythm. My goal was 70 to 77. I really wanted a little bit more. But you know what? Dude, there was next year, and I'm just happy I'm here and happy Fourth of July. It took physically being here. And sometimes it's hard.

Showing up is the hardest part sometimes. But I love being here. And as soon as I found out I was coming, my body, it was easy to train. And I love doing it. And I love pushing myself and beating the heck out of people. What does training look like? I don't want to know. Right?

I mean, what does that actually look like? Anyway, sorry, was there a question in there? Or what do I think of it? You know what I don't want? I don't want somebody to go like, 17 championships. Where does this rank all time in sports? Is this better than UCLA's championships under John Wood? Like, please don't do that.

I'm begging people in sports radio and sports media. Don't compare them to the Yankees, the Celtics, the Lakers, the Chiefs, the Patriots. UCLA basketball, Alabama football, Notre Dame football, and Johnny Lou Jack. Now, don't do that. Okay? It's a made-up competition where a dude has somehow cracked the code on how to stuff his gullet with 70 and a half hot dogs in, I don't know what is, five minutes. It's not a sport. It's cool, but let's just not compare the two.

Well, our technical producer, Chris Perfet today had a hot take earlier off the air. I'll let him explain this take on the air, but it goes something like this. No Joey Chestnut Championship is without an asterisk because Kobayachi is no longer doing it. Is there something like that, Chris? Yeah, I don't have a lot of deep thoughts to this. I just, I feel like without seeing Kobayashi who is arguably kind of up there with Joey Chestnut, I feel like we were just deprived of seeing these two going back and forth as long as we are. and now with Joey Chess, not missing the year and everything.

Like, there's daylight here. I find the departure of Kobayashi kind of a little bull. And, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's like, hey, we've got two of the greatest to ever do it, but, you know, we're going to arbitrarily keep this one guy out. Wait, so Kobayashi's not, can't be in? He's been banned.

Since 2010. Since 2010, he's been banned. For what? Was he gambling on himself? Did he throw a first pitch? That was way, way, way outside. And there was betting irregularities. Like, do we have any idea what he's been banned for?

I just thought he fell off. It's some violation of a contract or something. Then they had bad blood. Remember, he showed up at the, he got banned from the 2010 event, showed up at the 2011 event, and then went up on stage to congratulate the winner. And, like, they had police escort him away. Yeah, it was literally just because,

It's a contractual ban between him and Nathan's hot dogs. It's not like he cheated or gambled or anything. It's just it's, he did, I think he did some sort of eating contest that wasn't sanctioned by Nathan's. Does he, so they're like the NCAA, like, I, you're not sanctioning, you can't do it. So does he perform in other eating competitions? He does. He has. Yes.

And is he, is he as good as Joey Chesda? I, that's the problem. The world will never know. We'll never know. Okay. I don't think that's what. of a hot take that's a that's i had no idea i felt like that was ben canobi say the jokes say the joke jason say the joke it's so good well i would like to take ownership over the joke but set mcfarwin

um through his um his movie about star wars made the joke that like remember that scene when uh luke and r2 watch princess lea say obi one canobi you're my My only hope. And Luke says, I wonder if she means old Ben Kenobi. And South McFarland's joke is, the imperial forces are trying to rid the universe of Jedi's. They almost did it.

Ben Kenobi's hiding in a cave in Tatooine, and he decides not to change his last name, just his first name. They'll never find me. Well, when I heard Kobayashi, I thought, That's the name I have not heard. A long, long time. A long long time.

What else you got, Jay Stu? That's it. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Ah, I'm Doug Gottlieb. Been for Colin Coward. Coming up next.

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gets get to the best for last it's almost the end of the show but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in nope we grind to the very last segment it's time for best for last okay so for best for last I thought the very easiest thing to do was

you know we saw your boy KB and he was on social media day and he was helping people understand the difference between a cookout and barbecue. I thought it was, that's Kyle Brent by the way for people who don't know. And I thought it was great stuff.

But I do think that people need to need to understand that in prioritizing the plate today on a cookout or a barbecue or a get-together Lake Beach, whatever, like you only have so much space, right? Only have so much space.

So if you're going to, you know, break it down, then you need to understand there's a pecking order for what requires and what gets right of first refusal on your plate, okay, which brings us to the best for last. Okay, I got five things that have to be on your plate, the order of which, that they are so again Prophet if you can usually we do number five number four number three

no no I want you do it in opposite because number one is most important number one there you go number one is the protein okay number one is the protein more specifically okay whatever comes off the barbecue or excuse me the smoker

um you know again I always I think these are the days in which you have It's not a day when you go, hey, man, I'm watching my weight. Hey, man, I just, I, you know, keto. Keto. You can be keto. So, again, in number one ribs, any sort of pork product, today is the day.

If you invite on swine, and I do, number one is pork, pork ribs, pulled pork, and I, I will allow beef ribs. but any sort of fatty meat gets the right of first refusal and should get the biggest pie, if you will, on your plate. Number two. Okay, number two. Again, for me, it has to be something that blends with that. That's where the mashed potatoes or potato salad or macaroni and cheese go. because the truth is that say you have ribs or you have burnt ends and a little piece of them break off and then they mix with macaroni and cheese that's delicious as well okay so it's it acts as more than just a food it's a barrier but it also can combine that's number two number three okay so now you have your meat you probably have your carb okay this is where you throw in some sort of vegetable okay some sort of vegetable. It can be a salad, but again, part of the genius to it is you'll probably get a bite

with the meat, you'll probably get a bite with the carb as well, and it's still all works together. Okay. Number four is fruit, but the fruit can only really be watermelon. Other fruits just don't work. Fruit salad just doesn't work. And number five. Number five. Okay. I'm okay. with adding dessert on top of whatever else you're eating, because it's still delicious. There's your breakdown in importance of the plate. That's your best for last. Have a happy and safe fourth.

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