The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Drew Allar

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

Colin talks to Penn State QB Drew Allar about his team, the upcoming season, how he has improved, and more. Lincoln Riley can coach and recruit, but can he build a program?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com. or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. I thought it was interesting, George Pickens, who is super talented in Pittsburgh. But he's now a Dallas Cowboy. And he had a comment yesterday. Listen to the, of the three head coaches he's had in his life, he conspicuously leaves one out when he's talking about the new cowboy gig.

He's probably one of the best coaches I've ever had around. Definitely, besides like Kirby Smart and a lot of other legend coaches that I play for. But his energy, like you said, his energy is like one of one. I think I needed a first start just in terms of, like you said, people not knowing me. I'm definitely excited to run better plays for sure, yeah. And I said this. Like, when you consider how good the overall roster is and how good their defense is, and a great defense, we all know this, helps an offense.

Like, we all know that, right? Gives you better field position. You can open up the playbook. You don't have to get in shootouts and put your quarterback in bad spots. Having a great defense. I mean, when Kansas City got off of Tyree Kill, their defense got better. And the defense, they didn't have to have great offensive firepower to get to Super Bowls.

So a defense helps an offense a lot. And so it's kind of remarkable that the Steelers, with their good defense, their offense is bottom of the league. That, I mean, can you imagine if their defense was bad? So they're kind of a one-sided franchise. And I asked Albert Breer, who's at Vikings camp, what if this thing, I mean, quarterback right now for this team, Aaron Rogers, They're all loading up on Darius Slay and Aaron Rogers and D.K. Metcalf.

Jalen Ramsey, what if it goes sideways? Is Mike Tomlin in trouble? I don't think he's going to get fired. You know, and I think everybody understands what the score is there. This is one last run, maybe two last runs with the core that they've built around guys like T.J. Watt and Cam Hayward. And let's see if we can get past the point where our nine or ten win team sneaking into the play. playoffs and then losing our first playoff game. I think whether it happens in 2026 or 2027, there's a reset slash rebuild coming. And one of the operative questions on that when

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number one. Number two, Titans drafting Cam Ward. Not a huge surprise there. Number three, mild surprise. The Bears acquired Joe Tunney. That's a good pickup with the third best. I was a little surprise. And then you go the Raiders drafting Gentie. I don't know if I agree. And then the commanders acquiring Laramie Tunsell. But we wanted to focus for a second on Aaron Rogers going to the Steelers. That was graded out as the 19th most important off-season move. 19. What does that say about how far Rogers has fallen, Colin?

Well, first of all, I think Cam Ward of the Titans, I'd put number one, if he's as good as I think, because he will change outcomes. Devonte Adams is really good, but he's not touching the ball. Pooka Naku is on the other side, Kairn Williams. So he may have like eight targets a game and seven catches. But I do think ESPN got it right. I agree with all five of those, maybe a little different order. Yeah, I don't have any problem with any of those.

I would probably put Aaron higher than 19th. He's probably closer to 10 or 12. He is a quarterback. He is going to take 60 snaps a game. But I think we all know this, and I don't think it's a shot, is you get to be 40 plus. You're not the same player. You're just not the same level of player.

Well, I guess one of the big pushbacks is, you know, Devonte Adams doesn't just catch passes. You have to focus on him as a deep threat on the slants. He will make you change your defense because last year, Cooper Cup, I didn't totally do that. I think people noticed by the second half of the season it just wasn't there for Cups. The injury is kind of getting old. I think Adams totally changes a calculus. This is a run-first offense with Kyron Williams, right? And Devante is going to get a lot of open looks. But yeah, overall, I think we largely agree.

Aaron Rogers. If Ashton Genty for the Raiders is as good as I think most people think. And I mean, let's face it, if you're a running back and you come out of Boise State, there's a lot of of critics who say you didn't play anybody, but if you go to his games against like Oregon, he made a lot of guys look bad. If he's as good as I think he's going to be, with the upgrade Pete Carroll Chip Kelly, and I like Gino Smith, I think Gino and Sam Darnold are very similar players. Kind of bombed early, got the right staff, reboot. Both are athletes with size. If you pressure both, they make mistakes. They can get a little reckless, but they're very B-ish solid quarterbacks.

I'm going to tell you something. The Raiders are going to beat Kansas City, the Chargers in Denver. They're going to beat those teams. I feel like they're going to knock off all those guys. I think the Raiders have a chance to split every series in their division and finish fourth. What's their schedule look like? How about this? Raiders division wins over under two and a half.

Well, I go under because that means they do split with like a Denver and Kansas. I would go under on two and a half. You think they'll go two and four. One and a half I would go over. Oh, interesting. I mean, Ashton Genty create forced 152 miss tackles. That was 49. Now, the schedule is easier.

Yeah. But that's 49 more than any other running back. He also had 260 more rushing yards after contact than any other player had total rushing yards. yards. So I think the one, when I watched his video, I just think this kid's going to be special. The one thing about him that was very notable, I watched him play three times, a lot of highlights three times. He is so small and so strong that you can't get under him. He reminds me of a running back. He's a combination of Robert Newhouse, who played for the Cowboys running back years ago. Very, come on. Give the people a modern reference, Howard. Robert Newhouse? Sounds like

author. I would say Robert Newhouse and Barry Sanders. I think he has Barry Sanders shiftyness, Newhouse's strength that you can't, you can't get leverage on him. So like forget it for as a corner or a safety, you're not bringing him down by yourself. You need two guys to bring him down because you can't get pad leverage on him. So if you look at the Raiders schedule, I'll be honest, it's, it's kind of, I mean, let's be honest. I get the Titans, the Colts, and the Patriots early. That's, that's, you're easing your way and you get your buy in week eight. Then the Jags.

How about this, though? You got a lot of travel from Vegas to New England, to Washington. You got to face Patrick Mahomes early. And you got Denver on the back end twice. I don't like that at all. Anyways, let's move on to the next one, Colin. And that's the commanders. Remember, they got Von Miller last week.

He's so fired up. He had options. of course, a great edge rusher going to the Hall of Fame for sure. But the reason he picked D.C. largely was Jaden Daniels. Here's his quote. You can't leave Josh Allen and just go anywhere. Von Miller said, you can't leave your old girlfriend and just go with anybody. Like Josh Allen was MVP of the league last year, I feel like Jaden Daniels has MVP potential as well.

That's a great quote from Von Miller. I like that. You know, we talk about this. When you go from college, what is your strength? and in year one or two, does your strength in college work in the pros? For instance, Johnny Mansell ran around in college,

but he wasn't athletic enough to do that in the pros. So you could tell very early, oh, it's not going to work, because he wasn't a big, strong guy with a huge arm. So I can tell very early with Johnny Manzell, two starts. Same with Tebow. You can't, they're not athletic enough to run around like they did in college. What's interesting about Jaden Daniels,

His number one strength in college wasn't his running around. It was his fourth quarter quarterback play at LSU in Arizona State and is playing from behind stats. They were unbelievable. That's exactly what he did in the NFL. That's where you know you have a star. Same with Andrew Luck. His toughness and his ability to do pre-snap greatness, you saw, instantly with Andrew Luck, two starts. Oh, tougher than a $7 steak, and he can pre-snap, he's a wizard.

So that's what I look for. So Caleb Williams ran around a lot in college and was successful. But last year was Chicago running around, he got sacked 68 times. So his strength did not, it did not work in the NFL. So that's why Caleb's got some things to clean up quickly. Yeah. All right, the final story, Now, I mentioned the Miami Dolphins earlier, and, you know, Tyreek Hill's back. Remember how he ended the season? He's like, I'm out. Deuce's, see ya. It's getting interesting.

We just have audio here that just arrived recently. Tua is now answering questions about his relationship with Tyreek Hill. Now, just remember, Tyreek basically suggested, I'm out. I don't want to do this anymore with these guys. This is what Tua said this week. Me, but for everybody. But everyone knows what he can do on a field. everyone respects what he can do on a field.

But I think, you know, he's still trying to figure things out for himself as well. Kind of the man he wants to be. And, you know, he's not too young. Like, everybody makes mistakes. It's just some people, you know, they're in the spotlight, you know, and their deals get pushed out more than some others. Let's be totally honest. Two is mature, Tyree Kill is immature.

That's as clean and clear as you can say. One guy is an adult. He may not be a superstar talent, but he makes grown-up decisions. He's committed, and Tyree Kill is still a kid. Let me read the quote. Yeah. It's a relationship. It's still a work in progress, not just for me, but for everybody.

He's talking to the media about Tyreek Hill, a volatile receiver. We know off the field he's got a lot of legal issues, and several baby mamas and kids all around. Like, he's got a lot going on. And now for in the locker room, people to be like, hey, man, you got to repair this stuff. I don't like those vibes. I would not be shocked if Tyree Kil were shipped

at the deadline if Miami's not doing well. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all. I never bought into he's going to make Miami a Super Bowl contender. Because the bottom line, January is cold. Miami's got a quarterback who is not a big arm quarterback. the deep ball. Randy Moss did not win a Super Bowl with the Patriots. The deep ball is really effective

until about November 1st. And then the league changes and gets much more physical. So Tua's not a big arm quarterback. Tyreeks a deep threat. He would make great highlights. He would be fun. But Kansas City would not have moved off Calvin Johnson.

Kansas City would not have moved off Larry Fitzgerald. Part of Tyreek is that you have to, you're inheriting a lot of stuff that could be distracting. Team that makes sense, perhaps? Strong coach and strong quarterback. Washington with Dan Quinn and Jaden Daniels. No.

No? I've already got McLaren and Debo. Debo's enough of a lift. Oh, well, let's see what's going on when McLaren. Debo's hurt a lot. I'm just saying, Washington's close, man. They have a loaded roster. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Well, I've said it multiple times. have Penn State winning the Big Ten. I have Penn State playing for the National Championship. And I think the top two draft picks are going to be in no particular order. Drew Aller and Arch Manning and Drew's nice enough to join us. Drew, it's great, see, and I appreciate you doing this.

You're a busy guy. You're doing interviews, and I appreciate it. And I know you're busy. I want to start with this. So I watched you two years ago, and I said, it's good, but I don't know. I don't know what it is. Then I watched you last year. You were more athletic.

You were more accurate. So you tell me what was the difference for you between last year and the year before. Where did you think you improved? Yeah, I mean, I think where I improved the most was like you said, athletically. I think we have the best strength staff in the country at Penn State and that's headed by Coach Losey. He did a phenomenal job with me going into that offseason. I met with him and Coach Franklin, Danny and Coach K, trying to figure out like, where I wanted to play at weight-wise, so I dropped like 10 pounds going into the last year,

and that helped a lot. That helped the style of offense we wanted to play. And also, I think just another year playing quarterback in the Big Ten. Like, I'm pretty young when it comes to playing quarterback. I've only been starting for five and a half years or something like that. So I feel like with the more experience I gain, the better I'm getting. And I think that's kind of a testament to my whole process and really how we operate at Penn State. It's always about the process. Obviously, we want the end results, but it's really about more of the process than the destination at some point. So I watched the game last year.

You completed 17 passes to Tyler Warren against USC. It was an incredible performance. Do you worry a little bit? You have lost your number one target. And as a quarterback, he was just a big, strong guy. You could throw it in the flat. You could throw it in the scene. You could throw it down the field.

Are you having to kind of retrain yourself when you look down the field? Because he's not around anymore. not necessarily but i mean i'm super happy for tyler that he ended up in indianapolis i mean he deserves everything that he's earned up into his career this point he's going to be a phenomenal player and play a long time in the NFL just because of the type of guy he is the type of teammate he is obviously phenomenal player but um even better teammate to have in your organization but as far as like other weapons we have on our team we did a lot of um adding to our our team this year obviously we have the three transfers that we brought in but we still have a lot of young guys

that are going to take that next step this year. We have a lot of young potential in that tight-end room. Khalil Dinkins was one of the most undervalued players, especially on our team. But I think of all the country last year, the stuff he did on a weekly basis, blocking D-Ns and doing all the dirty work so Ty could get open down the field.

It doesn't go on notice in our room. So I'm really excited for this year and this opportunity that we have and being in our same system as we were last year with Coach Kay being back another year. so I'm really excited. I think we have a lot of potential and a lot of weapons to throw to this year.

So one of the reasons I like you, Cam Ward, who went number one this year, was a zero-star recruit. People overlooked him. Josh Allen's father had to send out tapes. No Division I offers. Aaron Rogers went to junior college. The truth is Peyton Manning is an outlier

where he's a great high school or great college number one. That's an outlier. Most guys that quarterback in the NFL, Patrick Mahomes, had a losing college record. So I love your journey. When is the first time in your journey? Go back to high school that you thought, because you're obviously,

you're going to get drafted in the NFL. When was the first time, Drew, that you play, could have been a practice, could have been a game, when you're sitting there in your dorm room and you're like, you know, I may be a pro football player. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of crazy to reflect on. I've talked to my parents a ton about it just because of how late I started playing quarterback.

I didn't start playing quarterback to really my freshman year of high school. So I was really new to all that. Went through a lot of transitions in terms of throwing motion and all that sort of stuff off the field with that. But, yeah, I mean, I think the first time I really realized it was when I honestly started playing football here at Penn State, like being the starting quarterback. I think that's when it kind of really set in because obviously that's always been a dream of mine. to have the opportunity to hear my name called, and obviously I'm working towards it every day. But, I mean, I'm looking forward to when that time comes.

But for me, the biggest thing is going out with this season and competing week in and week out, enjoying every moment that I have left at Penn State. Because, I mean, time has definitely flown by. I can't believe I'm already in my senior year. It feels like I just stepped on campus yesterday. So I'm really excited for this season to go out and improve the type of player I am,

the type of leader and teammate that I am, because I've been putting a lot of work this offseason with a lot of guys on the team, and I'm really excited to really just spot the ball and play football again. So obviously, Arch Manning, you know, there's a bunch of Manning's that played football. Everybody knows him. You could be the best college quarterback, but we didn't really know you much until about a year ago. So I am interested, when you're a college quarterback, I can't relate to this. At a big college football power, do you have to do selfies on campus?

I mean, is it, what is it like to be you outside of the football games to be a college student, if I could ask? Yeah, it's definitely crazy, especially in a place like Penn State where we have such a passionate fan base, and obviously it's a college town. So whenever you're out in town doing whatever, getting through with teammates and that sort of thing, like you're going to be recognized. So there's a lot that comes with the territory. I've kind of grown to kind of adapt to that and just embrace it because I'm definitely not like the extrovert. in terms of that sort of thing.

Like I kind of like sticking to my close group of friends and that sort of thing, being to myself and really minding my own business. But it was definitely a culture shock, I would say, because, I mean, I come from a relatively small town of Medina, but, like, it's nothing like state college with the football and that sort of thing. Like, I've had plenty of conversations with Coach Franklin and his family on how to handle that. So it's definitely something that just comes with the territory. I think something I've handled better each year that I've been a starting quarterback.

back. What is your favorite part, Drew, of your game? Like when you watch, I'm watching highlights, you made a throw against Oregon that was insane, but is there something if you're a humble kid, but is there something about your game? You're like, yeah, I think I'm pretty good at this. Yeah, I mean, I think the thing I'm most excited about my game is I know I can make any throw on the field against any coverage and that sort of thing. Like I can throw it side-line the sideline if I need to, as far as I need to downfield. So I think just, you know, that ability that I've been blessed with and just trying to take advantage of all of that

and really fine-tuning it so I can pull it out of my bag whenever I need it in terms of, you know, just ramping up my accuracy when I need to be more accurate in times throughout games and throughout the season. So I think the ability that I've been blessed with to make really any throw on the field from any different platform that I'm able to, I think that's my favorite part about my game

because I've seen guys like you mentioned earlier, Mahomes and Josh Allen, and really all the NFL quarterbacks be able to do stuff like that and something that I take pride in, I definitely work on, but now it's just about working on it and also being accurate with it and just pulling it out at the right times. Finally, the Big Ten's got great rivalries.

Everybody knows about Michigan, Ohio State. Is there a game for you when you look at the schedule or last year or this year? Obviously Penn State and Pitt, but is there a Big Ten team? I mean, you play Oregon, Northwestern, your Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers. Who do you view, when you look at that schedule, who gets you amped up? Who do you get fired up about just thinking about?

Yeah, I'm not going to, I'm going to give a very cliche answer, but for me, it's all about playing football. I don't care who we're playing or where we're playing, just the opportunity to put on the Penn State blue and white and really strap our helmet out and play for Coach Franklin and all the coaches that we have on staff. Whenever I get that opportunity, I'm not taking it for granted. Obviously, like you said, we have a lot of tough Big Ten opponents this year, and I'm really looking forward to all of them because they're all going to be very challenging.

We have a very deep conference in terms of talent and just coaching staffs across the Big Ten, so I'm really excited for every opportunity that we have to play in this fall. Well, you're a good kid. Your mom and dad have done a great job. you just keep getting better and better, and we wish you the very best of luck for the Nittany Lions. Well, thank you.

I really appreciate it. Drew Aller, who is, I think he and Archmanning, Nuss-Myard LSU, Kate Klubnick at Clemson's obviously very good. It's going to be a fascinating year. It is a very potentially, and all those guys were productive last year,

but there's a little bit, maybe not stylistically, there's a little bit of Josh Allen in Drew Allen. dollar. Small school, nobody paid attention, relatively unknown, you know, gets one or two offers, accuracy issues, really good kid, committed. Now, Josh is more athletic in terms of jumping over people. He wears the Superman cape. But they're like, their games, when you watch them play, there's a little bit of a similarity. Their size, both good arms, both big.

both small towns, both bumpy journeys, didn't know much about them until like their second year, third year in college. So, um, interesting. Really, really good kid. Um, I, you can tell, like this year's draft, I kept saying it wasn't a great draft. There was one quarterback of note. Um, I'm already jacked up for next year's draft. All right. Um, back in a second, in Chicago, Watch the Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite.

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notable talking heads talking about Lincoln Riley is I think it's fair. Lincoln Riley inherited Bob Stoom's momentum and program and won 11 games a year. And there's no question he can coach. That's not the question. I've watched every USC game of note over the last three years. He can coach. But the question is, can you build a program? That's different. That's a different, you know, that's the difference between being a good podcaster and building a podcast empire. Those are two different asks. So I know Lincoln Rottie can coach, and I know he can recruit, but there is so much in developing a program. It is relationships, the staff you hire, developing players, recruiting players, you know, building a staff. Saban was unbelievable. Saban would lose an

offensive coordinator. He just kept, I mean, Jim McElwain, DeNuss Meyer, Desard, DeKiffin, Bill O'Brien, he just kept nailing the other side of the ball. So, at least, Lincoln can coach. The game plans are smart. His quarterbacks all work. The question becomes, wow, and I worry about it because I looked at the all-first team, Big Ten selections. Indiana had four, Iowa had four, U.S.E. had none. Now, I do think they have three or four really good players that could make first team after the season. But those are all fair questions about Lincoln running. Can he build his own program? Now, in fairness, he won 11 games and a lot of big games at Oklahoma. So it's not like he took over for Bob Stoops and won 11, 10, 9, 8. They were really, really good. I was bringing them on the show because he was so innovative offensively. All his quarterbacks became great, transfer guys, guys in the program. And he also took over a mess at USC. I had somebody inside the program, not Lincoln Riley, tell me when they took it over, they felt they had 35 to 37 USC players. Over half the roster shouldn't have been at USC. It was

a big lift. It wasn't a moderate lift. It was a big, big lift. And so, by the way, it feels like kind of the lift, Davo Sweeney had to make when he got to Clemson. They weren't very good. It took Davo, three full recruiting classes. Now, the critics of Lincoln Roddy could say, well, he has the NIL. That's fair. I said before, in-coach, can he build his own program, shovel in the ground four years later. They're a major playoff team. We'll see. I think they're about an eight or nine win team.

A lot depends on the quarterback play. They finally have an offensive line that I like with like NFL bodies, so we'll see. So we talked about this earlier today. I think Jaden Daniels is remarkable. He's the best rookie quarterback I've ever seen. That includes John Elway. I don't remember much about his rookie season. I remember more about the middle and end of his career.

but he's the best rookie I've ever seen better than Andrew Luck and John Elway, who are both really good, really smart, really athletic, but made a lot of mistakes and threw a lot of picks. He doesn't do any of that. Part of the reason that Jaden Daniels has worked so successfully, he gets rid of the ball quickly. In fact, last year he got rid of the ball second quickest in the league, and that's for a guy that could tuck it and run.

That is discipline. That is cognitive ability. That kid could take off and run. now I'm going to get rid of the ball. So you're talking about a kid that is functioning above the shoulders. And this was what Mahomes does. Mahomes could take off and run every play. He does it about three times a game.

So Jaden's a guy that is just different. He is different with his legs, his arm, and upstairs. I mean, he is functioning at a level upstairs that just veterans don't do. Second quickest release. That is something for a rookie. That means he can see it and let go of it. And by the way, there's a lot of guys as rookies that can't even see it. They can't see the openings.

He sees it and lets it rip. So, and it's funny because I was watching a podcast called Pivot. Bill Belichick was on it. And he was talking about Brady. And of all the great things Brady did, it's the two things last year that Jaden Daniels has already figured out. As a quarterback, we all know worst situation you can be in a as long yardage. And so as long as the ball moves forward, you stay out of long yardage. And Tom did such a great job of not allowing negative plays to happen to our offense.

Number two, as I've told Tom many times, Tom, we can't gain any yards until you get rid of the ball. And then, of course, he made, you know, great decisions under pressure and had a tremendous ability to see the field and understand situational football and make quick decisions under pressure. But isn't it interesting? The first two things he mentions are no pre-snap penalties. We always went forward and we asked the goat to let go with the ball quickly, not to hold it. So again, Jaden Daniels, get that thing out of your hands. That's where Caleb Williams has to improve. I don't care about his total yards and his touchdowns. I don't care. Let go with the ball.

He holds the ball. Some of that is hero ball. I want to make a play. Don't. It doesn't work. You can do a little bit of that. Cam did. Big Ben did.

Your career will be short. So he just got now. You can blame the offensive line. But Matt Hasselbeck and others, including Greg Kosell, came on the show and said, don't blame the O line for all of it. He's holding the ball too long. And so here's the other thing to remember.

Our staff found this stat. If you go look at Caleb Williams' numbers last year, Jay Mack, this is interesting. When he held the ball, ball under two and a half seconds. His passer rating was 99. Over two and a half, it was 81. So meaning the best stuff, the fruit on the limb is on getting rid of the ball quickly.

So you think to yourself, no, I'm going to hold it. Let the play develop. No, the play deteriorate. Protection deteriorates. Take it, 1001, 1002, let her rip. That's what Jaden Daniels did. it's what Caleb didn't do it. And I understand the habit, because in high school and college, Caleb's like, I'm

a hold of a beat and you win. Lamar Jackson had a little bit of that as rookie year, first two years. I'm going to hold it a beat. No, no, no, no. That works in high school and college. And it works in the NFL a little, but you will take a beating. And Lamar, what did he do about year three in the league? He put on weight and he ran less.

It's like, you figure it, Michael Vic told me, yeah, I got hit by London Fletcher. I decided to get better in the pocket. Like that's just the, I think it was London Fletcher, that's just the reality of the position. Yeah, didn't Caleb say he was watching film by himself last year in Chicago? He just wasn't getting the support from the staff. That's the kind of thing, like go in, watch the film. Hey, man, quick reads. You know who's really good at processing and getting rid of the football?

Brock Purdy. Look at him in the pocket. He's amazing. Just dropped back, Bing, bang, boom. You could argue that's the Shanahan system. Fine, I believe that. But Ben Johnson and Gough, you know, Gough got rid of it quick in Detroit. Now, he did have a great offensive line.

I think there's a world where Caleb is excellent this year and does the things he needs and avoids sacks and gets rid of the football. You know, Goff, you could look this up. Goff may have had five or six games where he completed 80% of his throws. Why? See it, spin it. Just don't.

Sometimes you just, you can't. And I understand how Goff is not, golf and Brady are not super athletic. So I understand, they understand, get it out. I do think it's harder if you. your Lamar Jackson or your Josh Allen or your Mahomes or your Caleb Williams, well, you can actually tuck it and run and pick up a lot of yards. Like it is, I do think it's harder for the athlete quarterback to just always want to get rid of it fast because you've had

because you've had so much success tucking it and running it. You know, sometimes, Colin, when I get to the line of scrimmage here on the set, I've got to read the defense. That would be you. The topic before, right, the topic that's coming up. I know your takes. There's a lot that goes into processing here. Yeah, but just like Caleb, you need to let go really quickly. Get out of the play. Well done. Hey guys, it's us.

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to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. And every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves. their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicalif 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Winning on Clay is an art.

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