The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Drew Brees joins The Herd

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Super Bowl champion Drew Brees joins the show to explain why he didn't like the Bills offensive approach with quarterback Josh Allen against the ChiefsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's start with a big one that's viewed as sort of the kind of the rivalry, the Ali Frazier, the McGregor Nate Diaz. I mean, you get these bills, chiefs, they all kind of look the same. And it's funny because we've kind of lumped Mahomes. into, okay, he's the winner and Josh isn't, but Josh played pretty darn well. The thing that bothered me, and I think you had the advantage, like Mahomes, and I don't know how much of an advantage, but it is great to have an offensive guy who sees the world like you do, like Andy and Sean. I was a little bothered by all these push pushes for a sect seven

quarterback leaping into the air, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's a pinata. I mean, I don't When you see that, did you love that as a fourth and one call repeatedly over and over again for Buffalo? It certainly felt repetitive, and especially in the fact that it wasn't working, as well as probably they expected. You know, it's been automatic for the Eagles here for the last couple of years. And then obviously, Buffalo kind of adopted the same strategy. And in large part, that's because they all have big physical offensive lines and they have a big, physical, strong quarterback that can typically, you know, maneuver his way through and get to first down. Look, I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak, there is an art to it.

Yeah. There's an art to finding the soft spots. At times, you know, you maneuver into a gap, at times you go over the top. But I think you have to have some threat that something else could be coming in order for that to work, as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would have been helpful. In a lot of cases, that's also when, as an offensive play caller, you know you have an opportunity for a big play. You know that the defense is going to be selling out into the gaps. Maybe you sneak a little tight end delay out or you get a pick route, you know, with your running back.

It's what the chiefs do so well in these third and short, fourth and short situations. You know, get these linebackers picks, sneak a back out into the flat. you saw it at least a few times in the game from their perspective. So obviously in hindsight, since it didn't work, it probably could have been a better strategy. You know, it's interesting. I feel like Mahalms and Reed are actually more aggressive in these big spots. They're almost liberated by it, almost like,

okay, if we lose route, let's empty the playbook. Go back to your big games with Sean. Is there a feeling when you get to sudden death football? Hey, guys, this is something we probably'm not going to show earlier. Do you unveil new tricks because it potentially is the last game of the year? Look, in most cases, your best opportunities to make big plays is in those situations. Because in most cases, the defense is taking away the things that they know you're going to try to hit them with in normal down in distances. They're going to make you earn it.

They're going to make you just take completion after completion, be really flogation. flawless in your execution. It's when you get to those third and fourth down moments in critical situations where you know you're going to get man to man. You know you're going to have the opportunity for that matchup or you're going to be able to kind of break out that wrinkle that gets a guy you know, busted loose or you kind of set that pick or, you know, a little bit of that trickery to get their eyes. Like that's the chiefs do that better than anybody. In every one of those situations, you can tell it's so well thought out. I mean, it's the Andy Reed special. Like we're to get some kind of a man's own read.

Like, look, the play that sealed the game at the end when they threw it to P. Ryan in the flap. Yeah. They motioned two guys over, got him reset, you see that it's man to man. And then you run those guys across to set a natural pick on the backer and you sneak the back out. We used to call it snake because it's impossible to cover for that guy. And so, hey, he just deals it to Piron.

He goes and gets 15 yards. They win the game. Like, I've seen that five times from them this year, right? And if it's not that, then it's this, hey, we're going to sell the line one way and we're going to sneak the back at the back field. We're going to set a pick with kind of a downblock. And here springs, you know, Pacheco. Like, it's time after time just this, like, it's just great execution.

I mean, it's great game planning. It's very QB friendly, honestly, because you're giving in Manzone reads with the way that you move receivers or motion or shift. You identify matchups, and then you execute. You won your Super Bowl in your ninth year. This is seventh year for Josh. Allen, the kid was so devastated after. I just, I mean, I feel so bad for him. What is it like? Take your worst loss of your career. How gutting is it, Drew? What does it do to you mentally for the next couple of weeks? Yeah. Well, I'd say this for Josh Allen. A couple of years ago when they lost in the divisional rounds of the Chiefs, when he led his team down and scored with, was it 13 seconds left, 18 seconds left? Yeah. And then the Chiefs went two plays later, kicked a field, go to tie, go to the team, and then they went down and scored and never gave Josh. opportunity to get back on the field. That's when they changed the

overtime rule in the playoffs to give both QBs an opportunity. Josh Allen, in that moment at that time, played as well as he could have played. Gave his team the best chance to win at the end. I mean, 13 seconds, you should win the game, right? Just stop him. Poor defensive coverage, you know, giving them the opportunity to go kick the field goal. In this game, Josh did everything he possibly could to put him in a position to win.

At the end of the game, I mean, credits of spags, I mean, that was an unbelievable pressure disguise and execution on that fourth down play. But for Josh Allen to buy time, launch that ball to Kincaid, I mean, very few QBs would have the wherewithal to extend that play, find the guy, and get the ball out down the field like that. It was, it was, you couldn't have done any better. And the guy drops it, you know? So I look at two opportunities.

where the bills are on the order to the Super Bowl if other guys could just do their job and make the play. The QB did everything he could do. So that's the disappointing part. Like that's the part that hurts is, man, it takes everybody. You know, it takes everybody executing in order to give you that opportunity. I mean, look, look at the Chiefs this year. Like the Chiefs, we talk about Mahomes' late game playmaking playmaking. ability and just championship DNA. And that is absolutely the truth. But the Chief's defense has come up in about seven different games where they stopped

the opposing offense from going down and scoring to win the game. Or they got to stop in order to get the ball back to Mahomes so that he could go down and win the game. So it takes everybody. Spaggs is hyper-aggressive. He almost seems to ratchet it up when he feels. faces Lamar, when he faces Josh Allen, go to your career. How do you, Jalen Hurts? Now, Jalen's got a great O line, but pressure is pressure. You know, sometimes they bring

more than you can block. What was your belief when you knew you were going to face a coordinator who erred on the side of aggressive? Are there, did you like that? Did you relish it? Did you see that as opportunities? Did it put extra stress on you? So I, look, it was a bit of a night there for the week in regards to preparation and planning. And you knew this, like, you know this going into a game with spags. If you are in third and long too much in this game, you don't have a chance. Right. Because he is so good at the disguise and he's so good at getting an overload and getting a

free rusher that you're then just in a situation where, man, you just have to get lucky that you can make that guy miss or you can buy enough to. time in order to find somebody open down the field. You have to stay ahead of the chains against fags. And that is something that Philly does very, very well because of their ability to run the football with Sacon and just the dynamic that Jalen Hertz gives that often similar to Lamar Jackson gives to Baltimore where the QB almost becomes an extra blocker in the run game. Because you have to account for him and his ability to run the football. He takes a defender out of a mix and then typically leave

Saquan with a one-on-on-one situation in the open field which Saquan has been winning most of the time this year. And then they stay ahead of the chains with their play action and they've got two great matchups outside with Devante Smith and A.J. Brown. So

if Philly cannot stay ahead of the chains, they do not have a chance in this game because they are not a drop-back passing team. So if they're in a bunch of third longs, no chance against this Fagg's defense. They have to stay ahead of the chains. And that's something they typically do very well. One more herd?

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There's two star guards. What was the most talented team you faced? You looked across and thought, they got better dudes than we do. We can still win, but they got better dudes maybe. You know, that, that Legion of Boom, Seattle defense back in, you know, 2013, 14, 15 was really unprecedented when you look at every position. I mean, it was a pro-ball, all-pro caliber person at every single position. So what they did to draft and then develop those guys was remarkable. But I look at the Eagles and, you know, I look at their free agent acquisitions. Sequin Barclay.

Obviously, he was a great player prior to coming to Philly. But this just elevated him even more. I would, I would equate a lot to what going to Baltimore did for Derek Henry. You combine him with a guy like Lamar, and it's just going to open up more and more opportunities. And sure enough, he had a stellar MVP caliber season, just like Sequin did. But it's guys like Zach Vaughn, linebacker they signed from the Norland Saints, who was mainly a special teams player with Norms. I play with Zach.

He was like third, fourth round pick from Wisconsin, comes in, he's just going to be a four-course special teams guy, backup linebacker behind to Mario Davis and some of these other studs. but man he's going to learn, he's going to work, and he's going to be prepared when his opportunity comes. And sure enough, it comes in Philly, and he becomes an all-pro player, right? C.J. Gardner Johnson, he was a teammate in mine, too, in New Orleans. A guy that I love his teammate, absolutely hate going up against him because of his mouth. But bottom line is the dude can play, right?

And then they found a role for him, right? And he fulfills it very, very well. It's Slay. They've got an elite corner, right? Like they just, they have a pass rush. They just have all these elite pieces that they put together. But a lot of that's, man, the way you draft, the way you develop, the way you go identify free agents that are going to fill rules for you. Yeah.

Yeah, that's Seattle team. They were pretty good. And they were all in their prime. They were young, twitchy, fast. You had Sherman. You had Earl Thomas. Yeah, that Cam, was Cam Chancellor on that? Oh, your Cam Chancellor.

Dude, you had Cliff Averill. You had Michael Bennett. You got me. Everybody. every single one of them was a pro bowler. Drew Brees. As always, my man, appreciate you stopping by. All right.

Yeah. Yeah, that Seattle team was stacked. And then on the offense, you had Russell Wilson in his prime, Marshawn Lynch. I remember they went out and got Percy Harvin because they had Russell Wilson was on his rookie contract. So they went and got Cliff Averill. I think he was in Detroit. They're like, let's just go buy a good pass rusher. Let's just go buy Percy Harvin.

And Harvin had migraine. headaches. So they didn't, he didn't get used a lot, but you were like, they had, because Russell was on that rookie contract, they had the combination of Pete Carroll right out of college drafting brilliantly on mid-round players and became Hall of Fame level players, Cam Chancellor, you know, Richard Sherman, and then all of a sudden you had the ability, because you weren't paying anybody, let's go buy Cliff Averill, let's go buy Percy Harvin. That team was stacked. J-Mack, with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so Bear's head coach, Ben Johnson, starting to fill out of staff. He landed former Saints head coach Dennis Allen to be the defensive coordinator. And then he plucked this 28-year-old gentleman named Declan Doyle, who I'd never heard of in my life, to be the offensive coordinator. I'm assuming Ben's going to call plays. Yeah. This guy will just kind of be a coordinator.

Doyle started his career as a student assistant in Iowa in 2016, spent some time on Sean Payton staff in New Orleans, and was a tight-ends coach for the Broncos. I don't know. I think that you know what I like about that? You know he's not going anywhere for four years. Well, he's 28. Well, as I'm saying, so he's hiring a guy.

He's going to be his mentor. Ben's going to call plays, but he's hiring a guy, and there's two benefits to it. This guy's not going to be a one-and-done. He's not going to be looking for jobs. constantly, and secondly, it starts, maybe this is vanity, but it starts your tree. And so I like the idea. That's why Spaggs is such a great hire for Andy Reid is probably not going to get a second

chance because his first as a head coach was a miss. That's a great point. So Dennis Allen, I don't, he's definitely young. He won't get another head job. He will? No, no, no, he won't. So that's a great hire too. So Dennis Allen, he's going to stay with you as long as he performs, Dennis Allen's not going

anywhere. Well, he's 52, so he's a little younger than Spags. But, man, I just looked up his head coaching. No, he struggled with the Raiders and the Saints. 26 and 53. I'll tell you what. This is really smart by Ben Johnson. So I'm going to hire a defensive guy who's respected but has failed twice the head coach.

No turnover. No turnover. Then I'm going to hire an offensive guy. I'm calling plays anyway. I know I'm not going to get any turnover. So you've got two coordinators. So for the duration of your contract, is it four or five years, you're going to have the same coordinator. I like that.

That's interesting. So Dennis Allen had car in with the Raiders and then with the Saints. Is there a world where Dennis Allen thinks, hey, I just never got my quarterback, so I never had a fair shake? Nobody in the league thinks that. I mean, you and I don't think that, but does Dennis Allen turn? It doesn't matter what Dennis thinks. He's not going to be offered a head coaching job. He got two shots.

He was bad at both. I would have said that about Brian Schottenheimer, but here we are. All right. Next story is Patrick Mahomes and the chance at a three-peat. Kansas City, two straight Super Bowl victories. They're going for a third. Mahomes is not letting the weight of the moment impact his preparation. I put so every single season as its own season.

And every team's different. You get new guys. You get guys that have to step up in different roles. And so I just go about my business and just try to prepare everybody to be in the best possible situations to succeed. And obviously it'll be awesome. I think it'll be something I look back at the end of my cross. career if we're able to go out there and get that to repeat. But at the same time, you just treat it as one season and one Super Bowl run, which is always hard to do. Go ahead. Go ahead. I know you want to

say great stuff about Mahomes. Let's hear it. Ah, what do you want me to say? I mean, the obvious. Is he already the goat? No. No, he's not. By the way, I think Brady's got almost double the playoff wins. A hundred percent. He's doing it very quickly, but in fairness, he has Andy Reed in his prime. Brady had Belichick. Belichick got fired in Cleveland, had a losing record until Drew Bletzel got hurt,

and if Bledso doesn't get hurt and they don't win, Belichick, because he's grumpy, may have been out. I think the better question is, which dynasty is more likable? Kansas City. It's creative, it's fun, and he reads incredibly likable.

Is it fun? I looked at their passing chart yesterday. Patch Mahomes attempted four passes over 15 yards. It's like hand off to Kareem Hunt. Dink and dunk. Some of us like efficiency, discipline. You're out there, convertible sports car with a tank top on. Some of us like the family

SUV arrives on time. You're a minivan kind of guy, huh? Well, here's what I'll say. Is that if you think about the dynasty with Belichick, it was always like, do your job, take a pay card,

covert. It was a lot of of things, it was just a big gray factory of efficiency. When I think of Kansas City, I think flair, fun, creative, multiple players. Like I, I, remember, Patriots was like 15 plus years. We're on what, like six years of the Chief's dynasty? They got a long way to go to that. My opinion is this Chief's iteration. It's not the best one.

No, the best Patriot teams never won a Super Bowl. Randy Moss team has never even won. I think this, I'll tell you what is underrated about Kansas City. This defensive front seven, and a lot of it's because McDuffie can lock up your best receiver, they are good, dude, they got dudes high draft round guy. Chris Jones, great, the Purdue kids great. How many Bolton the linebacker, they are the best tackling team in the NFL. If they get their hands on you, play over.

Yeah, good luck tackling Sequin Barclay in two weeks. guys, Leo Chenal and whoever these linebackers are, ghost sake. Come on, you got to admit, you're rooting Eagles. Too early. You keep saying you like the guys in red. I'm like, uh, okay. It's pretty obvious which team that is. Yeah, well, listen, I am going to, I, I, I, don't you root for greatness? Usually I do. With the Warriors, that amazing team, the greatest dynasty in sports history?

Yes. Michael Jordan's Bulls, hell no, I was a Knicks fan. Patriots. How did you not like the boys? Bulls. I was a Knicks fan. They tore my heart out every year, man. It was, it was difficult. It's not like they had to tear it out. They just poked you in the ribs and you fell over. Charles Oakley's out falling over. Patrick Hugh, he's out falling. He just couldn't handle Jordan. You guys didn't have a guy who could dependably hit a 17-foot jump shot.

They had John Stark's, aka me, who shot two for 18 again. I don't know. I'm kidding. Final story, Colin, let's go to the Jets. Aaron Glenn. Big press conference this morning. Here he is, new Jets head coach. Look at him. Get excited. Let's get excited. Woody Johnson and the GM, I'm kind of fired up. Here we go. Aaron Glenn on his future with the Jets. To any players that's here now, put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride.

Put your seatbelts on and get ready for the ride. Listen, there are going to be some challenges, but with challenges it becomes opportunity, gets opportunity. But here's what I do know. We're the freaking New York Jets. We're built for the year. Oh, boy, that's some big. I want to run through a wall for Aaron Glenn. He's got a lot of stuff to clean up there.

It's like you buy a, what are those houses called a foreclosure house? The Jets have been foreclosed upon. Glenn goes in, he's looking around. Oh, we got a lot of work to do here. Lots of work, Colin. I'm going to make, should I just unveil my predictions for next year? I already have this division mapped out. You got your playoff?

I have this one mapped out. Pre-draft, pre-free agency? I do. Let's hear it. Are the Jets in there? Bills are winning the division, New England second. That's what? That was your reaction when I picked Washington to make the playoffs.

I know, I know. To Denver to double the Vegas. I mean, it's January 27th, and you're calling the Patriots second. Dude, I got six mock drafts done today. You want to do a friendly wager? Jets first Patriots next year? I have won so many steak dinners from you. I own a cattle farm.

Seriously, I should open up my own steakhouse. I have so much free meat from you. You're as delusional as Aaron Rogers at this point. I mean, seriously, I won steak dinners. Aaron Glenn and the Jets will have a better record than the Patriots next year. Take it to the bank. I don't care if Teddy Bridgewater is a quarterback.

I don't care if it's Gus Ferrat coming out of the ashes in retirement. The Jets will be better than the Patriots next year. That, for sure. Patriots still got a lot of work to do, Colin. Go find a Nico Collins at wide receiver. Get a left tackle.

When you draft that high, move down, get a number two. All of a sudden, you got a one, two, twos, two, threes, five starters. Amazing. And the most cap space in the league. Go buy a left tackle. So are you a Patriots fan now? No, I'm a fan of obvious.

This guy. He's put down 10 wins right now. He is cooking. Oh, my goodness. Cooking with gas. All right, J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd Lie News. It is. I think I'm done with hierarchies. Do I have one more tomorrow? I... I, you know, it was funny because I liked Philadelphia in the over. I thought it was going to be high scoring is you do get, you don't have to be a football savant to see the obvious.

Like Washington didn't have a good enough roster. Buffalo is not good enough defensively. If you just take out the emotion and just watch the game, watch the speed, watch the, like I think a big part of the Kansas City win is Xavier Worthy, who was just a gadget guy early, it's like, oh, no, he had 100 yards. Okay, Xavier Worthy now. And here's what's interesting.

The last couple years, you've had your shot at Kansas City because they've been making it up as they go, a bunch of Hammondegers at receiver. Now Rishie Rice was a one, he's back. And now Xavier Worthy looks like a 1A. And you know their tackle. The first thing they're drafting is an offensive tackle. I can tell you that right now. They're drafted an offensive tackle.

And they may get Conner Lee from Oregon. There's a kid out of Minnesota. There's some really good tackles at the bottom of the draft. And they're getting one of them. so if they can get left tackle secure in the draft, and you're getting Rishi Rice back with Xavier Worthy. Hey, Baltimore and Buffalo, you had your moment. You better start sizing the ring number four in Kansas City.

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And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Fox College Hoops Friday lights up prime time with a cross-state rivalry as Indiana. takes on 11th ranked Purdue and a Big Ten showdown Friday at 8 Eastern on 5. Indiana's football program is better than their basketball program now, isn't it? Now Matt Painter and basketball, Purdue's good. No question about that. So I'll say this. When I was watching the game yesterday, it drove me crazy watching Buffalo's insistence on fourth and one to do the tush push. Drove me crazy. I asked Hasselbeck about it. He did not like it. at all? And I asked Drew Brees about Buffalo's ideology game plan on fourth and short.

Look, I've always felt that the true quarterback sneak, there is an art to it. There's an art to finding the soft spots. At times, you know, you maneuver into a gap. At times you go over the top. But I think you have to have some threat that something else could be coming in order for that to work, as opposed to just constantly lining up in that formation. and everyone in the world knows what's coming. So I think a little variety in hindsight, you know, probably would have been helpful. Yeah. And I, you know, we showed the difference between, I mean, look at Josh Allen there,

and that's not the first time he's done that. He's looking to lateral the ball. That doesn't look like a well-oiled, highly scheme play. It's just kind of Josh with it. It just doesn't look organized to me. It look, and then you look at Philadelphia, it is better align. Look how small Hertz is.

And this is a guy that's 511 and a half and squats 600 pounds. And then Josh almost looks like a target at 6.6. So you can blame Josh Allen. But I mean, Josh Allen can't even go low. He's too big. He has to leap over the top. And is there anything that is more of a hold your breath moment, then Josh Allen holding the ball in the air.

as he leaps over the line. Like, that thing just spells, screams disaster. So I think in, I think situational football, in these little moments, you want the, you want the officials to be perfect. Why aren't you perfect? I mean, McDermott was honest about it. He's like, you know, we could have done this, we could have done that. We kind of just feel that Josh Allen will get it.

That's not a good enough answer because that's not Andy Reid's answer. They perfect everything. They think of everything. Matt Hasselbeck now Eagles chiefs here's what Matt Hasselbeck is expecting in the Super Bowl Philly is rocking right now I think New Orleans is going to be rocking for that reason and there will be a movement here you play great defense you run the ball really well at a historic rate you can win a Super Bowl that is absolutely a formula that people believe in and so you could sell the story like hey if you're going to take down the mighty Kansas City Chiefs

Patrick Malins, Andy Reid, this is how you do it. This is how you neutralize a great pass rush. Should be a great matchup. If you love the passing game, you're going for the Chiefs. If you love the running game, great defense, sound defense, you're going for the Eagles. So let's, Jay Mack, let's talk about all the dynasties. Now, some of these are a little old for you. So when I grew up with the Steelers dynasty and they were sort of feared because they were so

dominant defensively and the NFL was a much more violent league back then. So the Steelers were the first dynasty I grew up with in the 70s. Terry Bradshaw, Mean Joe Green. I mean, it was just, they like Philadelphia, you know, players weren't as mobile back then. They had great players

for years and years. I would say their brand was sort of feared. They were big play offensively, over the top offensively. They could run with Rocky Blyer and Franco Harris, but it was kind of feared. The steel curtain. The steel curtain. I mean, I remember

as a kid, I could be wrong on this, but I swear to God, they had three straight shutouts at one point. Did they have Jack Lambert? Lambert? Yeah, I mean, I have his football cards. I didn't know. Yeah, yeah, it was they had pros everywhere. Wagner on the back end. I mean, it was,

I can name the whole team. I mean, it was Mike Webster at Center, Benny Cunningham, Stalworth, Swan. They were great. And then the other dynasty, I remember, because the 70s NBA, everybody, the other dynasty I start to remember, you know, again, these will be out of order, but I do remember Bill Walsh and the Niners jump out to me. Now, that was considered sort of an, I would say, an intellectual dynasty.

The Steelers were physicality, brutality, and they would squish you. And then the Niners felt like it was pretty, it was smart, it was intellectual, it was Bill Walsh. I mean, Joe Montana didn't have the biggest arm. He was just the most clutch. He was pre-Baddy the most clutch. West Coast offense. And then you get, again, I'm not, forget college. And then I'm just thinking of dynasties. Cowboys. The Cowboys dynasty was a little bit of everything.

Aikman, Irvin, Emmett. So you had, to me, it was big plays. It was Aikman down the field. I would say theirs was based on personality. I mean, there's books written about. So one was four Steelers. One was Finesse. Then there's the Cowboys, which to me was more personal.

personality and play i mean jimmy's personality irvin's personality big big you know akeman you know the good looking kid you know and then you get into new england's and again that goes back to efficiency uh intelligence and sacrifice and and let's not forget spy gate deflate gate those didn't mean anything the deflate gate is nonsense that's the dumbest thing of all time i personally agree on deflake i mean the other one oh spike give me a break I'm just brush it off. But it just goes to show you the varieties, physicality with the Steelers,

Niners were kind of sophistication. Finesse? No. No, they had Roger Craig. No, no, no. But it was really considered aspirational, exploratory. Cool fun. Cool fun.

And then there was the playmaking and the personality of the Cowboys. And then I think the Patriots were the opposite. They were no fun. It was efficiency, do your job, sacrifice, take a pay cut. And then I think Kansas City goes back to performance, coaching, fun, Taylor Swift, Patrick Mahomes. You say that, but remember when they ran the ring around the rosy play against the Raiders? There's none of that this season from the Chiefs. I haven't seen any of those exciting, fun, wacky plays.

They're not doing that stuff anymore, are they? I'm just missing it. Well, I think when I, if you told me, there's a line for every dynasty in football. Steelers was physicality. Niners was intelligence. Cowboys was personality. Patriots was efficiency. Chiefs creativity.

Read in Mahomes. Listen, I always try to predict a play when I watch. I have no idea what Kansas City is doing. I literally, on a third or fourth down, I have no idea. They're throwing to a backup running back yesterday. Buffalo. P. Ryan, yeah. I knew exactly what Buffalo was doing on their short yardage plays.

Exactly. So I think their creativity, I mean, they unveil stuff. I mean, Patrick Mahomes averages four rushing attempts a game in the record season. He had 11 yesterday. You keep banging on the bill's short yardage. They did go four for six on fourth down. They were pretty damn good on four for six on fourth down. Obviously they missed the Dolphin King King drop at the ender.

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