The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Eric Bieniemy

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Colin talks to 2-time Super Bowl champ Eric Bieniemy about his time coaching with the Chiefs and working with Patrick MahomesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:53 Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com. Or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox SportsSport's Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, Eric B. Enemy has had an amazing career. Up for the Heisman as a running back at Colorado. That was the last
Starting point is 00:03:18 time Colorado was great. Really, truly great. Two-time Super Bowl champ as a coordinator with Andy Reed, 10 full seasons with the Chiefs. And he is in studio. He was at UCLA last year. So I got so many things. I want to start with the big picture on Mahon.
Starting point is 00:03:34 So he comes from, you know, Texas Tech. His dad was a major league player. Did they let you in on him before they drafted in? Had you heard in the building there was a young kid? Give me, and I'm trying to figure out the timeline because they had Matt Nagy was there, and then Eric B. Enamee, and I'm trying to figure out exactly when you were there. But take me through your kind of chronological order with Mahomes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:01 So first and foremost, coaching out there in Kansas City. We're in the Big 12 country. So seeing Texas Tech play every single weekend. And one thing, you know, we had a great staff. I mean, we had Brett Veach on staff as a GM. Obviously, he was under my man, who was the original, John Dorsey. He was under Dorsey. And so, you know, we had a lot of guys, Chris Ballard.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And the talk of the town was always, you know, have you guys seen these throws that this kid has made? and we were watched the games. We got caught up in Big 12 football, obviously just watching what Pat was doing. And so we got enamored with him. We watched him grow as a player while we were coaching because everybody was a fan of football. And so just watching him and seeing all the things that he bought to the table, we all were kind of end on it.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Chris Ballott was probably the lead scout at that point in that point in time. He's now the Colts GM. Exactly. He loved him. Loved him. Absolutely loved him. I think everybody in the building fell in love with him.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Now, did we think that we would have a chance of getting him? No. But it's amazing how things worked out. And obviously, it's been history being made right before your eyes. The kid is an unbelievable kid. He takes absolutely nothing for granted. And you just love him as a person and as a competitor. When you, so let's go to the first camp with the homes.
Starting point is 00:05:31 Yes. So you had Alex Smith, who's a wonderful guy. Yes. And were there moments? Did you drive home after a practice or three? Was there a moment for you an epiphany when you're like, oh, boy, this is different. Let me say this. So with all due respect to Alex, okay, we love Alex.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Alex was a great quarterback. Here's one thing Alex did. Alex provided a blueprint for Pat Mahomes to follow. Because first and foremost, Alex was a come early state. late guy. He was very professional. He was very diligent in everything that he did. He took the game series.
Starting point is 00:06:09 He studied. He was a film junkie. So those are some of the things that, you know, as an example of seeing an older player do it, helped Patrick to grow. Now, watching Patrick, and don't get me wrong, every young quarterback has
Starting point is 00:06:25 their struggles every now and there. But there were certain throws that you were seeing, practicing, like, oh my goodness, did you see that? And we just sit there. Go back and look at the tape. Yes. Like, wait a minute. Did you see that throw?
Starting point is 00:06:37 And so there will always be those moments. And then you just knew you had something special. And then he had that opportunity to start up against Denver. I want to say it was the last game of the season that particular year. And he went out and he did this thing. And not to anybody's surprise, here we are, you know, years later, looking at him and still watching him excel at all the little things that a lot of people and think that he can do because he came from an air raid offense.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Yeah. So obviously Andy Reed is a great play caller and play designer. You've worked with a lot of good coaches. Bobby Ross. What is the secret sauce? If you were to take, if I said, Eric, you get a head coaching job. Take one thing from Andy Reed. What is the structure, the foundational piece of Andy that makes him arguably the best coach ever?
Starting point is 00:07:31 I think more than anything is probably the consistency. He's a consistent individual. The Andy Reid that you see today is the same Andy Reid that I played for in 1999. Really? The thing that I love about Coach Reed is that he's very stern. He expects you to be very professional. He expect all his coaches to be an expert at their positions. He expects his players to work hard.
Starting point is 00:07:56 He expects them to be at their best when their best is needed. and there's always a culture of accountability. And when you have all that and you combined it together, now you see the consistent winning performance that just takes place throughout the course of the years. And so the thing that I love about Coach Reed is that he's provided that. And then on top, and I've got to add one more thing. He's not afraid of change.
Starting point is 00:08:21 He's not afraid of adjusting. A lot of old coaches are. And that does not fear him. You know, he wants to make sure that. that whatever needs to be done, whatever we need to do to win, that's all that matters. And then you can obviously see that's been a theme of this season. It doesn't matter what the score is. When it's all saying done with, you're being measured.
Starting point is 00:08:43 It ain't about the numbers. It ain't about the stats. You're being measured by two alphabets, the W or the L. And they've found a way to be 13 and 1 right now. And everybody wants to talk about what they haven't done. But I'll say this, it's hard winning 13 games in the season, let alone being 13 and 1 at this particular point. And that's the credit to Coach Reed.
Starting point is 00:09:02 Yeah. So you looked at all these quarterbacks coming out, Jaden Daniels and Bo Nix and Caleb Williams and Michael Penix and J.J. McCarthy. I thought Caleb was the most talented. At UCLA, you know the USC program well. This year you faced, I think it was Miller Bot. No, the UNLV kid at the end. When you watch Caleb struggling in Chicago,
Starting point is 00:09:28 how do they get it right? What's the first step? Well, I think more than anything, it's about the culture and the atmosphere. So you want to make sure that the kid is in a right culture, meaning you have to build it around him. If you're going to draft the franchise quarterback, you've got to make sure that,
Starting point is 00:09:48 and I'm not trying to step on anybody's toes or place any judgment on anything. I think Ryan Poles has done a great job. You know, Ryan. Yes. Ryan is a very good friend, and I've known him for a number of years. because we spent a number of years together in Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:10:01 But you want to make sure that you're building that organization, that program around him. Everything benefits him. Exactly. And everything always starts and ends up front. So you've got to build it with those guys. So Iber Fluss was a defensive coach, and that worried me. Yeah. And so I'm not into who's doing hiring and all the firing.
Starting point is 00:10:23 But one thing I do know, anytime you're drafted a franchise quarterback, You've got to surround it with the right people. You've got to make sure the right people are in his ear. You got to do the things that he likes and feels comfortable with. And then you start branching out and developing him and teaching him other things along the way. And so, yes, the kid is special. He's a dynamic football player. But it starts with a culture.
Starting point is 00:10:48 And having this opportunity to coach in the number of AFC championship games and being on a Super Bowl winning team, it starts and ends up top. It starts with everything. The Hunt family, the beach, to everybody. You know, and when you're in the first-class organization and with first-class people, you know, everything is done the right way.
Starting point is 00:11:12 Will there be mistakes made along the way? Sure. Yes, they will. But it always starts up top, and you want to surround your quarterback with the right people that's going to help him to develop and grow. So Belichick's going to college.
Starting point is 00:11:27 My take is he is building a pro model. College athletic departments can be high maintenance. People are very parochial. They have their space. And Belichick's coming in with his NFL guys. And he's like, yeah, I'm not going to volleyball matches. And my take is it's Bill's smart, but he's a pro coach. And you're a pro coach.
Starting point is 00:11:50 And you went to UCLA. If you could give him, what was the? the first shocking thing. And again, Kansas City is a well-run pro football operation. The first thing, if you could whisper one thing to bill,
Starting point is 00:12:04 be careful about blank, what would you say? The only thing that I, if anything, that I disliked or about the college game is the lack of time that we have to teach. And so
Starting point is 00:12:18 I pride myself on being a teacher. And, you know, there's a 20-hour rule. You only get so much time to deal with young men. And I always have felt that it is our duty as coaches to make sure that if there's a player that's special enough, it's our responsibility of making sure we're providing this kid with all the necessary tools that's going to give him the best opportunity to play early in the NFL if he's talented enough.
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Starting point is 00:18:41 You can only do, you can only layer a college kid with so much. You only get 20 hours. So Belichick is not a recruiter. He's a scheme genius. And that's why Andy Reed in college would probably be exhausted by having to go to San Bernardino and look at a receiver instead of teaching them his plays. And so I feel he's going to be, now are you surprised, because you're a former Colorado great, are you surprised by Colorado has no money?
Starting point is 00:19:09 They're like UCLA. There are not a lot of dollars there for NIL. Are you surprised at the success that he has had, Dion? Not at all. I tell you what, knowing Rick George and knowing everything that Rick George wanted. AD. Yes, exactly. Rick George is a great friend of mine, very close friend.
Starting point is 00:19:26 He was there when we played in the national championships. era, but him in prime time is, they hit it off. Really? And yes, they hit it off. And there's a nucleus, there's a bond. So, I thought Rick, first of all, Dion did a heck of a job
Starting point is 00:19:43 of selling his vision to Rick. But on top of that, you can see the vision coming through because Dion did a great job of basically helping those young men to go out there and be successful. But on top of that, just building a competitive program by building it with the
Starting point is 00:19:59 right people. I thought he did a great job. Hey, Travis Hunter, I'd play him at Corner. As a former offensive coordinator in the NFL for years, here's my concern. You can't be a part-time receiver. It's a timing position. So what would you do?
Starting point is 00:20:15 You're a coordinator, and you get Travis Hunter. And he's like, hey, coach, I want to do some offense in returning, but he's an elite soft gardener level corner. How would you integrate him into some of the offense? I don't think he can be your number one receiver in your number one corner.
Starting point is 00:20:31 But if you had to, you only got him for half the practice. What do you do? So first and foremost, congratulations to Travis Hunter on winning the Heisman trophy. He is great. The second Heisman trophy winner in the history of Colorado football. So, outstanding.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Second of all, I have to answer this question, biasedly. And don't get me wrong. I think the kid is a tremendous athlete. I'm selfish. I'm on the office side of the ball. I want him to play receiver for me. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:21:00 And so, but, because I watch all the dynamic things that the kid does. He's a great, he makes dynamic catch. I would use him just like I would use any other player that plays. Jet sweeps. Jet sweeps, certain routes. I mean, the kid is, he can run. He has an unbelievable hand and eye coordination. He can track the football.
Starting point is 00:21:22 He can come out and in and out of his brakes. He transitions well. I mean, the kid is a great. football player. And obviously he's one of the best because of the numbers that have shown. But on top of that, the trophy speaks for itself. But the kid is also a competitive kid. And don't get me right. I think the kid is a dynamic college football player. Can he be a great receiver? I think the kid could be an outstanding receiver. And so, but you got to pick and choose aside, in my opinion. It's just my humble opinion. You got to take aside.
Starting point is 00:21:53 Yes, because it takes away. It takes. Now, he could be a dynamic, great corner. Just like you said, he does have those skills and ability to be the next source. But you know what? Here's my takeaway on that area. It's an offensive league. A lot of bad teams, the Jets have great corners. But if you have dual weapons like the Rams, it's an offensive league. A corner has limitations.
Starting point is 00:22:17 Patrick Sertan is unbelievable. But it's Sean Payton, the offense, the left tackle. I just think if I had, I think he's going to be a better corner than a receiver. but I think receiver is more valuable now than a great corner. Because you can design and get him involved in the game early and often. Okay. And that's the beauty of it, whereas he's having an opportunity to touch the football. 12, 15 times.
Starting point is 00:22:42 Great things can happen. Yeah. And so you would implement him in your, in your officerily. So a year ago, people were lamenting that running backs, they're never going to get paid. You were a running back. And they're never going to get paid. And now here's Derek Henry. and you're watching Green Bay now Josh Jacobs.
Starting point is 00:23:01 That's a power run team. Detroit's a power run team. Baltimore's a power run team. The Rams with Kyron Williams. Yes. So why do you think in the last year, Sequin Barclay? It feels like, Eric, there is a little bit of a pivot back to the running back. Why?
Starting point is 00:23:18 This game has a way of being cyclical. Everything that you think was outdated, it seems to come right back. one thing that I've always have known, you throw the ball, okay, to win you throw the ball to win football games, to score touchdowns, right, but you got to run it to win a championship. What is all saying done with, the game is still one up front,
Starting point is 00:23:42 all right? Whether it's the O line or the defensive line. If you can run the ball, it takes so much pressure off the quarterback. Also, it eats clock. It eats clock. You get into these close, late games. That's what Josh Allen has never had until James Cook. he had leads. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:23:57 They couldn't eat the clock up. Because it becomes a game of possessions. And so if you're taking care of the football, ball security, you're running the ball. It limits the opponent. And so it limits the opponent's opportunities. But on top of that, it applies pressure to that team because now they feel forced to be perfect to drive the ball to late to the field to go out and put points on the board. But when it's all sitting down with, those teams that are doing a great job of running the ball, those are going to be teams. that are going to be reckoned with come playoff time
Starting point is 00:24:27 because they're hard to stop. And then you watch what they're doing up in Green Bay. I mean, with that cold weather, you know, running the ball as efficiently as they are. I mean, you're watching Philly do what they do. But it's, this year has been fun watching all these guys do what they have done. And then if you look at it,
Starting point is 00:24:47 it's about four or five other guys that are on the cusp of rushing over a thousand yards. You know, this year may be, be an all-time high as far as, you know, thousand-yard rushes. Seven players right now with a thousand plus rushing yards. Last year, one player. Yeah. Think about that. I also think about this.
Starting point is 00:25:09 As the game got more perimeter-based, safety's got smaller, so did linebackers. Yes. And I think the good coaches went timeout. We got 214-pound linebackers. And then the game, most of these running backs, low center of gravity guys, they're punishing running back. Kairman Williams, you can't get a hit on. Oh, you can't.
Starting point is 00:25:25 So I think it's cyclical. To your point, the safeties and linebackers got smaller and rangier, but not as physical. Yes, because here's what happens. So once upon a time, defensive schemes were scheming up Tom Brady and the New England Patriots on how to stop those guys. You think about all the receivers. So guys got naturally smaller. So you're primarily playing with your nickel personnel.
Starting point is 00:25:48 So same thing with the Kansas City Chiefs, the evolution of Patrick Mahomes. Teams are lining up trying to take away all of the kids. different receiving threats that you have on the perimeter, which leads for what? A light box. So now you have an opportunity to run it even more so. And you think about some of those guys that are running the ball as efficiently as they are. Look at the players that are playing quarterback as well. There's also guys out on the perimeter. So now it's like little checks and balances. Yeah. Because you have to be able to defend the run. But on top of that now, now you get matchups on the perimeter where you get one-on-one battles where guys are going to have opportunities
Starting point is 00:26:27 now to make more plays efficiently down the field by making the big throwoff of play action passes uh eric bianami is joining us before i let you go um you've had opportunities to be a coach um you've interviewed i mean it's it's a competitive world do you ever get frustrated some people have thrown out a racial component how does that land for you when you interview you don't get it. The media appears to be like, give this guy a chance. Is it hard on you and your family? How do you view it? How does it land for you? I look at it as an opportunity to grow. I've had a number of opportunities to sit down with a number of teams. And I've come away with a lot just sitting down, having that experience, talking to those particular teams.
Starting point is 00:27:11 And the thing that you can do is I'm a competitor. The only thing that you do is go back to the drawing board. Right. You know, and figure out what can I do to make it better? I grew up in a culture of being a resilient person. My mom have always taught me, hey, you know, you don't worry about the things you can't control. Worry about what's next and how you're going to control that particular moment. So when it's all said and down with, no, you don't think about the negative. The only thing that you build upon is the positives. What are some of the things that you can come away with after learning and going through this experience?
Starting point is 00:27:44 And how is it going to help you moving forward? So those are the things that I focus on. And that's what's important moving forward. Well, I can ask you one more. Yes. All your years as a coordinator, offensive coordinator, if I said to you, name the one defensive player you hated facing, that you would look at the film and think, okay, he's going to blow that. Because Chris Jones is one of those guys that other coordinators look at.
Starting point is 00:28:09 He'll move up. He'll move all over the defensive line. Was there a guy in this league? You're doing this for 10 years. And every time you faced him, you thought, oh, headache. But there's probably a few of them, but one of them that stands up. It's a young, Von Miller. Vaughn was a beast.
Starting point is 00:28:28 First three, four years in the late. Oh, my goodness. He was a beast. So he was in Denver. Yes. How did you block him? We tried. In fact, it was a funny story because, first of all, I have the utmost respect for Vaughn. You're talking about the premier pass rush that also did a great job
Starting point is 00:28:48 lining up and playing against the rum in his heyday. And that's not to take away anything that he's doing now in Buffalo. But that young kid, he was so hard to block. You had to scheme around him. I remember we played him. It had to be either 2018 or 2019. He beats Mitch off the edge. Mitch probably is not going to like me saying that.
Starting point is 00:29:08 And Mitch was good, too. Yes, Mitch was, and here's a thing. He probably was Vaughn's toughest matchup because Mitch was a... He was smart. He was very strategic with it. He did a great job of timing up his past sets, but it was this one time he beats him. And so he beats him around,
Starting point is 00:29:30 and Pat scrambles to his left, and Pat throws the ball with his left hand, and he completes it. And so in the heat of the moment now, you've got to understand, we're in a two-minute situation, where we're trying to go down and win the game. And so I'm sitting there,
Starting point is 00:29:45 and it's a lot of chaos, over the headsets. And I'm like, damn, did anybody see that? I'm talking to Coach Reed. Coach Reed's like, EB, you got to call a play. You know, he gives me the play. You got to call a play.
Starting point is 00:29:58 I said, did anybody see that damn? Don't know that he just made. He was like, get the play out, call the play. And so after I get the play, call then, we're like, yeah, we saw it. It was unreal. And that was the play Vaughn just beat his guy. Yes, but you're talking about a great player in this heyday.
Starting point is 00:30:16 I mean, unbelievable. hard to stop. You know, hard to scheme around as well. Yeah. Eric Bianamy, pleasure to meet you. Nice to meet you as well. All right. Thank you for this opportunity. Oh, of course.
Starting point is 00:30:26 We'll take a break. Herdline News around the corner. Live in L.A., it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?
Starting point is 00:30:39 Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed. First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.
Starting point is 00:30:51 We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Starting point is 00:31:33 Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel
Starting point is 00:31:50 help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam, it's Isaiah Thomas.
Starting point is 00:32:07 And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.
Starting point is 00:32:27 We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson,
Starting point is 00:32:46 we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah. You figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:33:10 This week on Crimeless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scoble and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.
Starting point is 00:33:39 What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing, Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops.
Starting point is 00:33:54 By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to Criminless on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree.
Starting point is 00:34:29 At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No. I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man. the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Nick Wright, Eric B. Enemy, and now J. Mack with the news.
Starting point is 00:35:30 No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Patrick Mahomes, the bionic quarterback calling. He got banged up in that win over the Browns. They're calling it an ankle injury. He got sandwiched between a couple defenders. Mahomes spoke yesterday about his potential of playing in week 16.
Starting point is 00:35:50 At the end of the day, I'm not going to put our team in a bad position. So if I feel like I can play and go out there and win a football game, I'll play. And if I don't feel like that's the best case scenario, I'll let guys like Carson play. I mean, he's a guy that's going in this league as well. So it's just about pushing it this week, seeing where I'm at and making the best decision. We have a little bit of room to kind of spare. But at the end of the day, we're trying to win the football game. And I'm a competitor.
Starting point is 00:36:13 I want to go out there and play. So I'll push myself to get to the best place possible over these next few days. and we'll be able to make a decision then. Sounds like he's playing, and the line is dropping. Down to Texans minus one and a half at KC. I don't trust Houston. Come on. I think they're the most good teams I have a feel for.
Starting point is 00:36:36 I don't even know. Is Houston good? That's a good question. I don't even know what they are. Seriously, I don't even know. Three turnovers from Tua really flip that game. Actually, you got a fumble, too, so four. Yeah, I just, I got to stop my chiefs bashing.
Starting point is 00:36:53 I'm sure the guys are sick of it. But it would be nice to see someone else go under center for a game. Save Mahomes for the Christmas game against the Steelers. We need Mahomes on Christmas. You can't tune into Carson Wentz on Christmas Day, right? That's not. Well, I mean, Netflix is, you can put Logan Paul. Logan Paul could play quarterback.
Starting point is 00:37:13 Oh, geez. Do you see that story today? No, what happened? Didn't you guys see the Logan Paul Connor McGregor fight? I'm not going to. Is that real or is it? Boxing match. I'm not going to watch it.
Starting point is 00:37:24 There's just no way. Listen, Netflix, I gave you my Tyson money and I came away thinking, that felt a little sketchy. I can't do it. You can burn me once. You're not burning me twice. I'm not watching Connor McGregor. I'll watch the highlights. There's no way Connor McGregor is going to go into it and try to box.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Logan Paul would knock him out. He's way, way bigger. So I totally forgot that it is like, you know, one of these streaming services all in on the Chiefs. Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes. And now if you don't have Mahomes on, you think he plays or sits against Houston? I think he plays.
Starting point is 00:38:02 First of all, the kid is... He's tough. I mean, he'll get hurt in game, and he's dog cussing Andy Reid. Like, he wants to play. And also, the injury, when I watch the injury, he has that twice he. year. I mean, the bottom line is he puts himself in these pretzel positions and he gets
Starting point is 00:38:19 whacked and he's always available to play. You got to give the guy credit. His body heals. It's that dad bond. Yeah. He's a factor. He's not built like a violin. He's got a little, gravy and a little fun there, and it's his body. Some guy, I mean, Jared Gop never gets, I mean, there's just certain guys in this league, they get hit and they play. And other guys like Carson Wentz. Mahom's backup, historically, he missed a lot of time. Next story is the Raiders. Continue their quest to stink for Shedur.
Starting point is 00:38:51 I guess that's a thing. They lost their 10th straight last night. Kind of got close there at the end. Vegas having a shot with a Hail Mary that was intercepted. Antonio Pierce spoke about the losing streak after the game. We've seen the league this year where it goes both ways. And hell, we need a break, right? We need a little prayer.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Guys are all in. Listen, man, just we're not winning. I want to tell y'all. You know, I'm not winning. Do I want to win? Do I want to win? Yeah, I want to keep sitting there looking the same thing I'm looking every weekend, have the same discussion with y'all?
Starting point is 00:39:18 No. We got guys that's battling, it don't matter. Next man up, right? You can poke all of them and do all this stuff. But these guys are not budging, I'm not budging. We'll keep chopping wood. At some point, the damn thing we're breaking go away. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Do you think he retains his job? What does she do or Sanders think? That's what you need to ask. I mean, I'll say this. They were down to the final play last night. They play hard. I mean, how much of that was the final play? falcons ineptitude. Come on. Who can't make a field to save his life? All I know is every week,
Starting point is 00:39:46 Kansas City, Atlanta, every week I watch them. They're in the game to the last couple series. Just for the record, the Raiders starting quarterback was Desmond Ritter. And they're starting running back with someone named Sincere McCormack or something. I've never heard of that guy. Yeah. Before last week. And it's like, they're actively trying to lose games. Well, no, they're not. They're not tanking. They're playing who they think. This is just, this is no different than an NBA tank where you look at the roster in March and you're Like, who are these guys playing for the Pelican?
Starting point is 00:40:13 Yeah, but the NBA does that. It's hard to tank in hockey and football because you get your block knocked off. It's a soft tank for the Raiders. Come on. No, I think they... I mean, Rock Bowers is trying his butt off, but other than that, like, they don't have anybody. And you need that number one pick.
Starting point is 00:40:28 You've got to get Shadour. I do think we're headed toward another Eli Manning situation at the top. Eli Manning or John Elwood. If the Giants get it, there are a lot of smart people that are saying, Hey, Chedore does not want to play for the Giants. He don't want to go to New York. Dion's gone on record saying I'm going to work behind the scenes. So that's going to be fun.
Starting point is 00:40:47 I can't wait for January. That's going to be fun drama next month. And we'll close out with the New York Football Jets, who are on the hunt for a new coach and a new GM and hopefully a new quarterback. Yesterday, the team announced they had completed an interview with former Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff. Did I say that right?
Starting point is 00:41:03 Yep. Yeah. Woody Johnson hired the third. 33rd team, I guess that's a website, in support to try to vet candidates. Yeah, I know him pretty well. He's a sharp guy. You do? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:16 He's the one that took the big gamble. Thomas took the big gamble, and he went and got Julio Jones and gave up all those picks, and people were like, whoa, and then Julio became arguably the best receiver in a decade. He was awesome. Oh, he was in his prime. Julio Jones was, like Randy Moss. Like, he was the best player. Unbelievable, yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:35 I just liked that he took a big swing on that. Any postseason success to speak of or no? I don't know the answer. I don't... Listen, I'm going to be honest. As a Jets fan, I'm just stepping back from the process. I'm not like in it, in the weeds, finding out... Because nothing's going to be done anytime soon, right?
Starting point is 00:41:52 This is just cursory interviews, maybe. I mean, I would be willing to talk to them. I said this earlier. Of the three broken franchises, bears have the best quarterback, Giants have the best history. The Jets, now that they have a left tackle, for the future, they have the best players. Let me ask you, why are the Cleveland Browns not a broken franchise?
Starting point is 00:42:15 They need to be in there. Well, they made the playoffs a few years ago, and they got a great coach and an excellent GM, and the best pass rusher in the sport. Ownership is terrible. Well, no, I don't like the ownership, but I think they've got players. Okay, what about the Jaguars? How are they not broken? They're drafting in the top five for like the third time in five years.
Starting point is 00:42:31 They're close. You know, they're not broken, but there's a tear. It's torn. It's not a bro. It's not fully ruptured, just a tear in the meniscus. Right, right, right. J. Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.
Starting point is 00:42:49 The Herd Lie News. Yeah, we got Eric B. Enemy, Nick Wright, stopped by today. No, it is, it is, I pose this question. If you're Mike Vrable, the Jets have the best players, the Giants have the best history and game day revenue. They got a lot of money, and the bears have the best quarterback. and I've always lived by a rule. I've lived by this forever.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Money's important. I'm not saying it's not. But if you watch the NFL, I did this earlier today when I showed if you look at the teams in first place, take out the AFC South, take that out. That's a weird division. I don't like the owners in that division.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I don't like any of them. If you take out that division, the first place team and off in the second, it's not about just the best quarterback. Buffalo's got, in that, division the best front office a fc north steelers ravens best front office a fc west right now best front office best ownership chiefs philadelphia now with howie roseman and geoffrey lory
Starting point is 00:43:57 in washington i think adam peters is a rising star as a general manager of washington tampa i i know the glazer family very well non-meddling good people jason light the g m i've been telling you is one of the best personnel guys in the league. Detroit, don't love the ownership, love the front office, Brad Holmes, and Stan Cronky in the Rams, they draft well. Do that defense is all draft picks outside of safety. It's good. They got players.
Starting point is 00:44:25 People just, you do. So that's why I said with Joe Douglas and Robert Sala, you may not think Sala's a head coach. Joe Douglas missed on a quarterback in a COVID year. So did John Lynch in the Niners. The COVID year was a curveball to the league. So did the Bears with Fields. I mean, that was the Patriots and Matt Jones.
Starting point is 00:44:46 Everybody up. Take out that. Basically, Joe Douglas built this roster. It is a good, good roster. Small breaking news, according to Jeremy Fowler at the other place, the Tennessee Titans are making a switch at quarterback. Mason Rudolph is the logical candidate to step in for Will Levis. Last week, both of us said Will Levis will probably get a machine.
Starting point is 00:45:09 shot next year. No. No. How many times have they been to this year? Is this three? Well, definitely, too. So this is official. If you're going to Mason Rudolph. They're in the market. And now listen, Jalen Milro could get in play for the Titans in the top ten, because Callahan's going to want a quarterback. He's an offensive guy. He worked with Joe Burrow at Cincinnati. Okay. So the Raiders Giants will draft a quarterback.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Officially at six, the Titans will pursue a quarterback. You're going to have to kick the tires. And you can't take you there. I like yours. You can't take him at six. No, no, I would take Milrover. I don't know if Milroo is going to make it, but I'm physically, I think he's a much better Anthony Richardson. And now you need to be much, much better. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people
Starting point is 00:46:07 questions because we're sick and tired of being an act. Ask questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:46:52 Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conky, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most podcast. popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to the 1021 podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:47:27 What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was funny. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Marquis come in to you, he's like, you know I love you, dog.
Starting point is 00:47:48 You know, it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Hey. And we have been joined at the Hips since high school. Absolutely. A redacted amount of years. later. We're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drinks.
Starting point is 00:48:20 Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? They had a bogo. Well, then you got them. Listen to soccer moms on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.

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