The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Eric Mangini

Episode Date: December 29, 2021

Eric Mangini joins to talk the influence John Madden had on his life growing up, while also giving Colin a little push back on the Rams winning the Matt Stafford trade. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Three Rings, Wow, with the Patriots now joining us live. You know, you coached under Belichick and Parcells, big strong personalities, some Jim Harbaugh mixed in there. And you are old enough to remember, obviously, John Madden as a broadcaster. I'm a few years older than you. I remember those 70s Raiders teams so well, Eric. They were just a bunch of characters. but it's interesting, Eric, he was able to get these big, strong personalities to play as a unit.

And I was always like, my theory was always he had very few rules. Show up on time, let me coach you, play hard. And, I mean, did you ever sense, was Madden ever in discussions, you know, when you broke into the league, or did you know people that knew him well or were influenced by him? Well, I thought about Madden a lot when I got my head coaching job. I got my head coaching job at 34. He got his head coaching job at 32. And I think about how hard it is to be a first time head coach, how hard it is to be a young first time head coach,

where some of the guys aren't very much younger than you. And sometimes you have some guys that are actually older than you. And he was able to do that at his age with the gigantic personalities. And you're forgetting the biggest personality of all, which is. Al Davis. Al Davis was the original owner, hands-on owner, and he was about his hands-on as you get. And that's a really hard space to navigate through. So for him to win over 100 games, to win a Super Bowl, to do what he did, it's incredible. And for me, Colin, I think about John Madden, and I think about watching football with my dad and my brothers. And my brother was a big Raiders fan.

dad used to talk about just what a difference John Madden made to the broadcast when he came into that role and how he explained the game and he was always teaching. And I appreciate that so much more now than I did then. But I just remember those times my dad and how much he loved him and what a big part of my childhood he was. You know, I was saying this to Joy earlier. I think Aaron Rogers stays and Russell Wilson stays. And this has always been, the NFL's always been a little bit of a copycat league. But here's a prime example.

So Detroit lets Matt Stafford go. And they get a Super Bowl quarterback in return. For two firsts, you know they're going to be late firsts and a late third. And a late first round pick is not an early first round pick. It's a second round talent. You're paying a first round amount to. And Matt Stafford, in year one, losing Robert Woods and losing Cam Acres is going to finish with double Jared Gough's touchdown passes

and four times the amount of big games, three touchdown passes or more. And I look at that and I think they stole him for too late first and a third. And I think if I was Pete Carroll, if I was John Snyder, if I was the Packers, if I was the Raiders, there's no way I'm moving to quarterback. I mean, when you look at the Stafford thing, when it first happened, was your first thought, what are the Lions doing? Or was it, is Matt going to work? I mean, your idea about moving quarterbacks?

Well, Stafford's interesting because he had all those years in Detroit, and there were a lot of different head coaches, and they could never win on a consistent basis. And you make the trade they do. Look, Matt's got a lot of great qualities, but he's never won a playoff game. Yeah. He's 0 in the three in the three playoffs games. So we don't really know what he's going to be like in that environment.

So, yeah, you do get double the touchdown production, and that's great. But in terms of stealing it, I don't know if you can say that. You're losing young guys with five years of cheap labor as a first-round draft pick to get Stafford. He's got to pay significant dividends to me in the playoffs. He's got to be a difference maker in the playoffs for us to be able to say that. And really, Tampa Bay is the one who does. the stealing when they stole Tom Brady and he they set the stage for for this because they got their quarterback for nothing so he's got to pay off big in the playoffs for me to say yeah

this this was a great decision but he does give you some incredible upside hopefully it can translate past the regular season which it hasn't been able to to do over the course of his career so when it's it's interesting about this the Titans and the bills are now getting healthier. Here they come. The bucks are getting beat up. Take me to coach the Browns, the Jets, and being part of the Patriots. We forget sometimes

this is a league of attrition. I remember years ago, this was the Giants upset the Patriots for the first time, and I remember this. Before that Super Bowl, I was back in Connecticut, in your hometown, West Hartford, and I went to the store to get a six-pack because I had a buddy

coming over. And I remember turning on, Bob Popper was the voice of the Giants. And I was listening to Bob Poppa, I think it was like F-A-N in New York, driving back. And Bob Papa said something. He goes, look at how healthy we are. He goes, the entire roster, we're missing one special team's gunner today. And I remember thinking, Patriot are a little scuffed up. I'm like, last year, all Tampa guys got healthy. Kansas City fell apart. So I look at Buffalo getting healthy and Tennessee getting healthy and the Rams getting healthy

and Tampa not and in your world we don't talk about that momentum we think you were good in week 11 you're you're good in week 16 but it's not right it's not it's not look the first year we won the Super Bowl we're 5 and 5 through 10 games

and then we go on a we go on this this streak and we're red hot going in the playoffs we're hot going to the playoffs we we shouldn't have beaten the team we've beaten necessarily, but we peaked at the right times. We were healthy at the right times. There's going to be a team over the next two weeks that has a major impact player hurt

that's going to dramatically change the way the way things look going into the playoffs. And we see it all the time. Wasn't it the Raiders that lost Derek Carr right before the playoffs when he was having his MVP-type season? And there's going to be some game-changing things that happen. And maybe it's a guy that comes back. off of IR, but it's having the momentum as you go into the playoffs and also being on the healthy side as opposed to limping into the playoffs we're trying to survive because the intensity that ratches up dramatically from the regular season to the playoffs.

So I was thinking about this. Steelers obviously are going to move off Ben, right? They don't have much of a succession plan. Pittsburgh doesn't fire coaches. So Mike Tomlin's in no, there's no, there's urgency to win, but he, His job doesn't depend on it. And I think to myself, does that change how Pittsburgh looks at this? If I was a coach and I was in year three of a four-year deal and I just missed the playoffs,

I'd want to go out and spend some money and get a quarterback. But Tomlin doesn't have that burden or pressure. Do you think Pittsburgh goes to the draft and is patient, or do you think they go big and try to get a car or a Rogers? Well, the great thing about Pittsburgh is their patient. is their consistency over time and it's helped them. But they're going to be in a world that they haven't been in a long time. When you lose a franchise quarterback, things change dramatically.

Look what happened in New England last year. Look at what the Saints are dealing with. It's so hard when you don't have that guy and they've had been at such a good level for such a long time. Maybe they take a year and they are patient, but you go through a down year and you go through a down year and you go through that life without that guy, and it changes your decision-making pretty quickly. I would say they're going to start patient, and look, if they experience what New England experiences,

maybe they go on a spending spree like New England did this off-season trying to get it right again. New Orleans, they're going to have to try to figure out something, too, because life after a legend is a totally different equation. You know, you live in Cleveland. I thought about this this morning. there was a story. Emily Baker Mayfield's wife came out and said lies, deception, and some death threats. And I thought, okay, this is obviously over the line. This is disappointing. But Eric, I did think about this.

Baker Mayfield has trade value. Sam Darnold got a second chance. Grafted. Winston, James Winston. Kirk Cousins got huge money. Baker Mayfield, in a league where nine teams don't have a quarterback and a weak draft, you could move Baker. He's got talent. You can make an argument if you're his agent. He's hurt. They were three and one when he was healthy. They were winning. We know.

Baker can get a second chance. Almost everybody gets a second chance. He'll get a second chance. I mean, Carson Wentz did. He couldn't stay healthy. And he was wildly expensive. Baker's not. And when I saw that story today, here was my takeaway.

It's unfortunate and over the line. But it almost could give the teams a break. Cleveland could say, man, it's gotten toxic. It's unfortunate. This is unfair to Baker. We're going to move him. This is unfair. Baker could go and say, okay, now my wife doesn't feel safe. I don't. This is not acceptable. And he'd be right, by the way. Death threats are way over the line. And I thought to myself, is this the moment where maybe it's a clean break at the end of the season? Baker gets a second chance. He'll get it. Heck, he could end up Sean Peyton. I mean, and Cleveland maybe thinks to themselves, you know what? It's a lot.

It's been really toxic. It's gotten to an ugly point. So that was my takeaway when I saw that story. Am I overreacting or is stuff like that potential possible? Well, Colin, I lived through when the Browns announced the move to Baltimore. And I was here for that when we had riot police in the locker or the locker room area in case there was a riot at the game. And they were throwing M80s on the field.

And they were protesting outside of the building. And look, it can get nerve-wracking. the fan bases are passionate. In terms of this being the time for a clean break, I don't think it is. He's cheap next season in his fifth year option. It's more than they've had to pay him, but it's still cheap. And unless you have a viable alternative that's as good or better,

then you can't move on from the quarterback position. And they could play him under the fifth year option next year and then franchise them the year after that and really franchising them the year after that. and pay as they go until they figure out whether or not he's the guy. He is dealing with the injury. They've had injuries to Kareem Hunt. They've had injuries to the offensive line.

I think you've got to wait and see and come back next year and see what options you have. You can't make this move right now. And he's cheap. He's cheap comparatively to what else is out there. Yeah, no. Good stuff. Good answer. Eric, great seeing you.

and New Year's around the corner, my friend, and I got a flat tire last night and you weren't there to help me. I would have loved to. You know, I went to dinner by myself. If you'd have been in the car, we'd have maybe been able to lift the thing up and put the tire on, but me solo, no shock.

Call the tow truck. Good seeing you, coach. Have a great new year. We'll talk to you soon. All right. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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There was a gas station, but there's no jiffy, lubes where I grew up. You had to have some ability to do this stuff. Now, I will admit my wife's probably better. She's a Michigan girl from Detroit. Right. So when it comes to cars, my wife can open the hood and you know... Fixed up?

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And when I called my dealer, he used the same term. And I'm like, what's going on here? She talks card dealer ask. She had like tire pressure. I'm like, what is going on? She uses like dealership

and mechanic terms. I'm completely useless. So Mack Jones didn't look like a rookie when the Patriots went on a seven game winning streak and took control of the AFCEs. However, the last two games, not but so great. And Josh McDaniel says he's not worried about him.

He's doing fine. No concern on that. You know, each rookie kind of handles that differently. There's always a stretch during the course of the middle of the season. It's a little bit new to them because when you count the preseason, you know, you count the preseason games, preseason work, starting in July. You know, usually that happens somewhere. you know, towards the end of October,

in the middle of November, somewhere in there. But he's kind of, he's gotten through that. He's talking about Mac Jones hitting a rookie wall. So his first 13 games was 9 and 4, 70.3 completion percentage, 16 touchdowns, eight interceptions with a 97 pass rating. Last two games has been a significant falloff. Obviously, they're 0-2.

He's been trailing in those games, and that's a whole different ball game. Well, this was my question about Mac Jones and the frenzy that was circling around him during that win streak. I do think when you go on a significant win streak, you deserve some credit for what you're doing. Like too. Yeah.

Like you, it's hard to win games in this league. You see teams not able to do it every single week. That's right. So it's commendable and you deserve some respect and, you know, whatever, for winning those games. But when it comes, you have to put it in the perspective of the macro sense of what the expectations are for the team.

Talking about Mack Jones, taking the Patriots to a Super Bowl, as juicy and delicious as that content for that week would be, is a bit of a fantasy because of this. Like, it's unprecedented for a rookie to be able to do that because you are going to have to play in games where you're dealing with things that are, you've never seen before, and you might have to play from behind. Think about the Patrick Mahomes' Super Bowl year. He trailed 20. He trailed 24-0 in a playoff game.

If I told you Mack Jones and 2, it trailed 24-0 in a playoff game, it could be two minutes. into the game, which is impossible, it would be over. That's why I tell people, Tebow won seven straight games. Mac did, Tua did. But there's a way and a formula to win with Tua, Mac and Tebow. And I think Mac is better than Tua, and they're both better than Tibo. But there is a formula for certain players. There is none for Josh Allen.

There is none for Mahomes. I don't think there is one for Herbert, Aaron Rogers. As good as Dak is, I think there's sometimes a formula. He needs a strong running game. but by and large, the formula is for about 90% of this league. There's maybe seven to eight people. There's no formula. So we have to be honest about it.

Mack and two are closer to the norm than they are bad. They're kind of closer to the norm. And both teams are kind of built the same way and kind of win the same way. Oh, I think Miami is New England light. Absolutely. And that's my only concern about quarterbacks that you can win with and what the ceiling conversation is. Like when we talk about ceilings, that's why this matters.

You can win games. You can be consistent. You can even win playoff games. But are you going to be able to, are you the confetti guy? Do you have something special about you that you can tap into that can win those big games and get your team to the championship, which is what everyone is playing for? Now, I'm not going to be hysterical here. I do think Mack will be fine. Yeah, so do why.

They have fallen behind the bills with two weeks left in the regular season. nine and six behind the bills, currently in the wild card spot in the AFC. They do have the Jags and the Dolphins to finish the season out. There's 15 and a half point favorites over Jacksonville, as they showed, which is probably a good game for Mack to get back on track before what will be a very big game in Miami to finish the season. I was just thinking about this. Could you define quarterbacks by this?

Is Tua and Mack good enough to win a playoff game? Yes, at home with good defense. The question becomes, are they good enough to win two playoff games? And that's a big leap. Like I always say, the Colts with Andrew Locke got to the AFC championship. But the difference between winning a conference championship and then winning the Super Bowl, those are the two toughest games of the year. So as great as Green Bay was last several years, getting the conference championships,

they got boxed those years they played like San Francisco. So I think we both admit you can win a playoff game with Tua and Mac Jones. But if you had to go to a second one, you fall behind, there is such a gap in this league between. I don't even know that Mac and Tua are. the ones that I would put in that category because they're such young quarterbacks. Like we don't even know we think we can win multiple games with someone like Justin Herbert, but

like they got to make the playoffs. Like they're Joe Burroughs spectacular. They still have things to prove in this league a lot. We're seeing the potential rising with those guys. That's more of a question for guys like Baker Mayfield. Guys like Kirk Cousins, like guys who are, we know what they are. So I don't see Kirk Cousins in my opinion as a two playoff when quarterback. Then you're in trouble. Well, yeah. That's a question. Like with Tua and with Mac, with all these young guys, we don't know

what they could become. We're, you know, we're projecting on what their ceilings could be, but what can they become and what can they grow into? And can they grow into someone who can win multiple playoff games? So COVID's been ravaging all these leagues right now, as we know. And Nick Seriani is taking every precaution he can to try and be safe with his quarterbacks. Yes, the quarterbacks will be in separate rooms. And we're going to do, they're going to, we're going to even ultra, even more safe with them, with them being in separate rooms. I talked to a couple other head coaches and tried to figure out what they're doing, because we all know, like, we're going to need to win this game this week,

we're going to need all hands on deck. And so what is the best course of action? And obviously, I'm talking to our doctors and our trainers to figure out the best course of attack. The quarterback meetings are now entirely virtual. This is smart, obviously. we've seen, I mean, we just saw Washington. Like, there's a lot of teams who have had multiple,

the Saints had multiple positions out because they're in rooms together when they're doing their meetings. So they're virtual, but also keeping them apart. And the offensive play callers are in separate rooms. They'll all attend practices. But the Eagles currently have eight players on the COVID-19 list. They're eight and seven, hold a wildcard spot in the NFC. Their last two games are Sunday at Washington

and then against the Cowboys to finish the season. They're three and a half point favorites against Washington. according to Fox Bet. So it's, you know, there's only two weeks left in the season, but all these games are massive. Massive. Massive. Must watch games. So last night, LeBron started at center for the first time and finished with the triple double.

Lakers win 132, 123 over the Rockets. Malik Monk can really jump. I watched about half this game. I mean, again, Houston's awful. Right. But I hope they don't trade him. He's one of the few young legs on the roster. They need some youth.

He also accomplished another feat, LeBron did. the third player in NBA history to reach 36,000 points. He's just behind Karim with 38. Karim has 38,387. And Carl Malone, 36,928. Carmel is the next closest active player at 27,844. So he's become the youngest player to reach each 1,000 points milestone. He's really having an incredible season. We talked about it earlier with Nick Wright. And he put it really in great perspective, just what, how astonishing it is, what LeBron's doing. Look at that scoring list, Joy. It's really interesting. A lot of unique scores. So Kareem's the all-time leading score.

He had the most unstoppable shot in league history, and he aged incredibly well. He played for 20 years. So he had the unstoppable shot. Carl Malone had the perfect teammate. John Stockton defeat him. LeBron is the Swiss Army knife. More of a passer at times than a score,

but yet he's third. Kobe and Michael are the ultimate score first. And then you get into Dirk is the sort of quirky European play forever, not win a ton of big games.

He didn't get a title. Then you get Wilt was the flaky all-time talent. Shack the most dominant. Shack the most dominant physical presence in 25 years. Carmelo, an ISO individual player without much team success.

in that list seems to have more. And then when I think of Moses Malone, I think of rebounding. He, like, scored everything within four feet. So, you know, Kobe and Michael had a lot of similarities the way they played. But outside of that, what's fascinating is there's so many different ways to do it. There is the sky hook. There is Malone scored so many due to Stockton. There is, you know, Carmelo has sort of got his game.

It's one side of the floor. There's the physical presence of shack. You know, it's the European. It's the, this kid, that kid. It's a very diverse list. Very diverse list. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Line News. It is interesting when I look at that list. And I've followed it enough. We all have. But that Carmelo Anthony, I would not have guessed that. Because if you look at almost all of these, Moses Malone won a lot, Shaq won a lot,

Wilt won. Dirk got a title. Michael Kobe, obviously, LeBron. Car Malone didn't win a title, but the jazz were great for almost every, game he played there. The one guy that didn't win is Carmelo. If you took the average fan and said, guess the top 10, they'd probably get about seven of them. But there are other people, you know, like I would put, I would think D. Wade would be way up there because he just played for so long

and gave me 22 points so many games. It's interesting who's in there, who's not. I would have guessed. Carmelo's a really an outlier. He's the one guy that didn't have a ton of team success. I wonder where Steph Curry will end up finishing on this. That's a great point. Where is Steph now that's a great question. Steph to me feels like he'll end up in that top 10. Of course he's got the math advantage. He gets an extra point for his mix.

Well, yeah. I mean, but that's what's interesting about this list is how diverse of it, like the players, the type of players is on it. So he's 56 on the list, you're telling me? He's got a way to go. But I bet you they're all jammed up from like 56 to 30.

They're pretty close. Yeah. That's an interesting list to me. Let me, you know, so the first guy, Steph I think of, D. Wade, I think of. Who's just a... I'll tell you somebody that you didn't see play. This shows my age.

Elvin Hayes. For 15 years, was unbelievable score in the NBA. So Moses Malone is 10th, has 27,409. Wade is at 23,165, which feels about right. Yeah. Steph is at 19,321. So he'll surpass him, yes, yes.

You know, for Steph, it's health. Yes. Yeah. If he can, you know, stay upright, he'll be right. All right. Fairdi founded by Twin Brothers, family business to make the best looking clothes, back by a lifetime guarantee equality. For herd listeners, go to Ferrybrand.com slash herd.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. Yep, that's me, Clipper Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with a little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J.

And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed, So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.

And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it,

and we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely.

And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Keir Gaines, is we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free I Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. I'm George Reister, host of the Reister or Wrong podcast. This is the intersection where sports, business, society, and pop culture meet the truth. Absolute fire on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

Facts only. Make sure you check your feelings at the door because no BS is allowed. We keep it 100. This is where real conversations happen. Listen to the Rights or Wrong podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Had Eric Shanks on today, the president, we'll put on the podcast, president, CEO of Fox Sports. And Nick Wright was on earlier today.

Now, Nick is 20 years younger than me, so he didn't see Madden the coach. And he doesn't remember those old classic rebellious raider teams I watched. They were fun. It was a late window. It was Joy, Steelers. It was the Raiders out west. had the Steel City, you had the swashbuckling Raiders, and then you had Miami and Shula. And I swear that it was every Sunday, there was a big game.

And one of those teams, if not playing each other, they were playing somebody big. And Nick Wright, though, has some memories on John Madden who passed this week. I think he's the greatest color commentator in sports history, not just NFL history, because his enthusiasm truly transcended the screen and his ability. to teach without making you feel like you were being taught. There is a direct line between the younger coaches in this league being more of go for it guys, better understanding clock management, and the fact that they are the first generation of coaches that played the video game, that played madden. Of the last 50 years, there is no single

human being more directly responsible for the growth, and popularity of football than John Mend. Yeah, it really is profound. Just think of how, just think of, you know, Charles Barkley's obviously possible. What if he had a video game and like Y2K or whatever it's called? What is that? NBA 2K. NBA 2K.

NBA 2K. NBA 2K. NBA 2K. That was Barclays and that was all Barclay. And, I mean, that's a coach, broadcaster, video game star. And then basically, anybody in the business of coaching or executives in television have been on the phone with John since he retired for the last 15 years. That's the kind of influence he had. Eric Shanks, a TV guy, said, yeah, he talked me about TV all the time.

He's just, he's the definition of what a legacy is. He's touching multiple generations, being able to use your knowledge and passion to influence young people, older people, coaches, players, fans, all. in the same way, all with the same energy. It's really powerful. Y2K, by the way. What a disaster. What a disaster. Remember that? My God.

We had cans and water. People said your cars were going to stop on the freeway. I was like, why wouldn't the computers just reset? Can someone explain that to me? It's exactly what they did. Speak for yourself. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.

I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey,

or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network,

On TikTok. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors.

Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to Look Back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.