The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Eyes are on the Chiefs

Episode Date: September 24, 2024

Bills OL Dion Dawkins joins the show to talk about their dominant 3-0 start to the season and why he keeps an eye on the Chiefs all season longSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:36 Thanks for listening to The Heard Podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRedio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Dionne Dawkins, Bill's offensive tackle, their offensive line, a lot of moving parts. He is the rock, he is the left tackle. He's a three-time Pro Bowl, all in the last three years.
Starting point is 00:03:10 He'll be joining us around the corner. First, O. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Excited for Dion Dawkins. Remember last year he came on the show? We made a bet about week one, and then the Jets won, and he welched.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Yeah. Kindly remind him of that. Let's get started with the Steelers, Colin. They were going to have Russell Wilson under center this season, but a calf injury? Well, paved the way for Justin Fields, and now he's 3-0. Still, Mike Tomlin is fielding questions from the media about who's going to be his quarterback. Here's what he had to say. What more do you need to see from Justin?
Starting point is 00:03:46 Why not named him the starting quarterback? Because there's no need. You know, I explain to you the variables of the week. It has not changed. He's going to walk in this building with that mindset. tomorrow. When Russ gets to an appropriate point of health, and we have a decision to make, I'll make it, and I'll announce it, and I'll be really transparent about it. By the way, did you ever think you'd see Justin Fields completing 73% of his throws?
Starting point is 00:04:11 There are a lot of good coaches in this league. I mean, Brian Flores at Minnesota defensively. Forget Kevin O'Call for a second. Brian Flores is literally, C.J. Stroud's like seeing, he's like, I've never seen this. Brought Purdy is like, they threw stuff I'd never seen. Arthur Smith goes into Tennessee He makes Ryan Tannehill I think wasn't he the coordinate Was he the guy?
Starting point is 00:04:33 I don't know if it was here I don't know if it was lure I forget who it was But I mean he obviously Arthur didn't work as a head coach But clearly he is Defining things for Justin Fields to see Because our knock was always
Starting point is 00:04:45 He holds the ball too long And he turns it over He's taken out the reckless And he's clearly designing Justin's seeing the field better I think there's a bigger You know we always think there's a big gap between coaches and quarterbacks in this league.
Starting point is 00:04:58 I think there's a big gap in, like, coordinators in this league. What Brian Flores is doing in Minnesota, what Arthur Smith is doing, I never thought Justin Fields. I mean, I always wondered. I mean, he was like a 60% completion guy, and it was, he didn't look like he always had good footing. It's interesting because we're seeing like a rebirth of guys who were considered flops or bust, right?
Starting point is 00:05:20 Justin Fields, I's a bus. And now he's looking pretty competent in Pittsburgh. Sam Darnel, Baker Mayfield. Maybe some of these guys just weren't ready coming out of college, and the NFL was just too much too soon, and then Gino Smith add to the list, Colin. I think this happens all the time based on the family you grow up with, the culture, some people mature differently.
Starting point is 00:05:43 You know, Tom Brady came in very mature. Baker has matured. Didn't come in as mature. Some guys never mature. But there are guys that, based on your family and the culture you grow up with, and some kids have great high school coaches, and they really, I mean, look, a great example of this is Quinn Ewers, who was a little bad diet, bad mechanics, and he gets under Sark. And like the last seven or eight games I've seen Quinn Ewer, is like, oh, he's just a different player.
Starting point is 00:06:16 So, I mean, there's parenting and coaching and your peer group. not everybody is ready at 22 years old to run a franchise. And let's remember, Jordan Love, who you love a lot, sat for, I believe, three seasons, just sat on the bench. Can you imagine if Justin Fields sat for three years and this was our first look at him? He was like, oh, this guy's amazing. He knows what he's doing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:39 But, you know, Green Bay doesn't have a lot of chaos. Pittsburgh doesn't have a lot of chaos. Yeah. Baltimore doesn't have a lot of chaos. I mean, I've never been against Lamar Sacks. I mean, Mahalms sat. I have no problem. Well, maybe we need to, you know, not just us, but collectively the media, like, stop just
Starting point is 00:06:59 tossing guys in the trash after like six games. You know what I should do with right and wrong, calling right and wrong? Instead of every Monday, maybe I should do it every like seven years. Because, like, some of the stuff that was way wrong looks right. But you weren't wrong. You were just early. You were way early on Darnel. I depend on my executives in the NFL for opinions.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I call and ask if I don't know. they all liked Arnold. Now, they all said mechanically, a lot of hero ball needs the right fit. But we're finding with Caleb Williams, no matter how talented you are. Fit matters. I mean, Andrew looks out of the league.
Starting point is 00:07:33 That fit didn't work eventually. Let me ask you, does this give hope for Trey Lance, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson? No, I think Trey's got a fundamental accuracy and mechanical thing. Zach Wilson, I think small doesn't see the field. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Time out.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Sorry. Justin Fields was inaccurate, 60%. Justin Fields is 3-0, one touchdown. No, no, but he was inaccurate in Chicago. Couldn't complete any. Well, they're not asking a ton of him. So let's, let's, let's, I think this team's going to win. I thought they'd be like a 7-8 win team.
Starting point is 00:08:02 They'll probably be a 10-11 win team based on their start. But let's, let's slow down. He didn't look as good as Jaden Daniels did last night. I mean, Jaden looked like he saw the field. So, and Jaden on a, Jaden looks better in his third game than Justin's ever looked in any game. Ever, yes. And so, like, like, I didn't put them.
Starting point is 00:08:19 you know, my top 10, like in the end, give me another week or two. But I do think it's encouraging what I've seen with Justin is that with the right coordinator, he doesn't look as frenetic. He doesn't look as rushed. He just looks confident. He's always been a nice guy. Like, everybody likes him. Nobody I know has ever badmouthed him.
Starting point is 00:08:42 Like, there's no goofy or arrogant. He's a good guy. And now I think he's got the good coordinator. All right, let's go to number one pick Caleb Williams. He has not been the best quarterback in a draft class through three games. You could argue he's been behind Bo Nix and Jaden Daniels. However, Caleb did have 300 plus yards, a couple touchdowns, did have two interceptions, and was sacked four times.
Starting point is 00:09:05 One anonymous NFL executive believes Caleb's struggles and Chicago's problems are due to having the worst offensive line, offensive coordinator, and head coach in the NFC North. That's a lot to overcome. I don't think you can argue the coach. Dan Campbell's been better, right? We know LaFleur is very good, and Kevin O'Connell's great. Well, I think that he's also the only defensive coach in an offensive division.
Starting point is 00:09:28 I think the thing about Caleb, even if they get Caleb right, would this be the right coach? For innovation, creativity, probably not. It's also one of the cheapest ownership groups. I mean, we said this before he got there. Is he good enough to overcome Chicago's nonsense? Because it's the same owners. I can't believe how badly the offensive line is regressed and that that to me is, I've told you this many times.
Starting point is 00:09:56 With a Bosa, Sean McVeigh patch worked his offensive line this past week to win a game. Andy Reid's rebuilt his own line. Pittsburgh's now in about the seventh year are trying to get it right with Tomlin. Pete Carroll's offensive lines were always hit and miss. There is something to be said about offensive line, something about the offensive coaches.
Starting point is 00:10:15 go look at the offensive line rankings for the last couple years in the league and the bottom. The bottom is a lot of defensive coaches at the top, a lot of offensive coaches. I cannot believe how bad the offensive line's gotten in Chicago. Overnight. Off season. Hey, let's go get D'Andre Swift.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Keenan Allen, Roman Dunezze. Did they address the offensive line? Well, I thought last year it was okay. I thought they got the right tackles. It's just bad. So, by the way, is this a good coaching job? If I refuse is fired, would Belich be like, hey, I'm interested?
Starting point is 00:10:45 I know people owe it. That's a very good question. So you always hear this before. Like, hey, you want the most challenging thing. Part of Brady's greatness was that he always had a home playoff game or a buy because Miami and the Jets were so poorly run. It wasn't until Josh Allen entered the division that Brady's like, I might win this thing every year.
Starting point is 00:11:07 There is an advantage. I look around and I'm like, I've got to face Matt LaFleur every year twice in that organization. They draft as well as it. I've got to face now Kevin O'Connell, whether it's dark. And by the way, Detroit's front office, whether you like Campbell or not, the Lions' executive suite is aces. They are great. It ain't the best job.
Starting point is 00:11:28 O'Connell and LaFleur are probably two of the best seven or eight coaches in the league right now. Yeah. And they've got, I mean, Jordan Love and Matt LaFleur. You got to face that for 10 years? I just don't know about a Belichick Caleb Williams' marriage. I don't know how that would work because you know Belichick rides his players hard. I don't know how Caleb's going to react. It probably isn't a great thing.
Starting point is 00:11:47 No, I think Belichick's going to stay in the Northeast. How about Ohio State Coach wins the national championship in that means? Ryan Day. Now, let's go get a formidable coach that's won in the NFL. Okay. No more coordinators, not college guy. Let's go get a guy. All right, final story is a Seattle Seahawks.
Starting point is 00:12:07 3 and 0 for the first time since 2020. They made the playoffs each of the last five times they've started 3 and 0. new head coach Mike McDonald is the first head coach in team history to open with three straight wins. He knows they can be even better. We've done enough to win each game that we've played. There's a lot of great stuff on tape, but we're also at the beginning stages of this team and who we're going to become, and the guys know that. It's very clear when you watch the tape where we need to improve, and there's a great opportunity for us to improve. It's so, early in the season. We're in a great position. Obviously, it's way better than the opposite.
Starting point is 00:12:50 And so we're excited about that. But there's a sense of urgency, too, on where this football team needs to go. I'm not saying they're Kansas City. They're not, because Mahalm's Gino. But when you watch Seattle and the speed on both sides of the ball, do they run? That's one of the faster teams in the league. They're corners. They're receiving group. Do they just move? lead the NFL right now in NFL grades and they're fast and they're young so they don't get younger players don't get
Starting point is 00:13:20 hurt as often and when they get hurt they're back sooner. That's why the Niners are falling apart it's an old team. So the crappy news for the Lions by the way Lion Seahawks is Monday Night Football great game. Lions are favored by four three and O Seattle is a four point dog on the road. The Lion's Center
Starting point is 00:13:37 was just ruled out, Ragnall out six to eight weeks. That's a big loss but Seattle's got injuries on the defensive front. That's going to be a great, this might be the best game of the week on Monday that football. Well, it's Monday night. It's a big spot for a young Seattle team.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Monday night matters. It feels like another point in a point in a half. If Buffalo and Jacksonville played it one on Sunday, would it have been 47 to 10? It felt like Jacksonville just wasn't ready for the moment. And primetime in Buffalo is all juiced up. You don't think the Detroit fans are going to be going nuts? Like, get out of work early. No, I'm not.
Starting point is 00:14:11 This is one of my. I think this spot is also Detroit finally last week figured it out. They ran the football a lot. I think Gibbs and Montgomery total had 35 carries. That's how, that's what they've got. Now, they had a great hook and lateral. But if my take on Detroit is what they did Sunday, that's how they should play. Yeah, it's a big step up in class for Seattle to face Jared Goff, Ben Johnson, this offense.
Starting point is 00:14:39 Yeah. I still think there's some, I don't know. what quite it is. There's something not quite right with Detroit. So in a standalone game or Monday night game, I'll be able to... But when you've got nine games on, you're watching on a TV, you're kind of like, okay, they're running the football. But...
Starting point is 00:15:00 They just don't seem like last year's Detroit, which is like just waxing things. Last year, they were the hunter, now that the hunted, and that is a thing. And some organizations are, you know. And people are picking up on Ben Johnson's tendencies, like where he wants to go with the football. Amarraulte, St. Brown, we know Leporta got dinged up. And just so a lot of weirdness in Detroit. Edited Sir.
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Starting point is 00:19:55 I don't think you have to spend a lot of time celebrating when you do your job. But I also think sports is very emotional and you've worked very hard. And when you score, you should, you know, it's okay to high five. jump up and pump your fist a little bit. But Bill Belichick was talking about Patrick Mahomes, and told Pat McAvey, he said, one of the things that really jumped out to me last night was they interviewed Mahomes,
Starting point is 00:20:17 and they're 3-0 and could easily sit there and say they're on course, here we go again, Big Win in Atlanta, but here's Mahomes talking about how bad they're playing, and here is Mahomes on the early struggles. I feel like I haven't played very well, and that's not a stats thing. I just feel like I'm missing opportunities
Starting point is 00:20:33 whenever they're out there, not throwing the ball in the exact spot I wanted to be at. So it's about me getting back to my fundamentals, putting our guys in the right position, and then we've got to execute at a higher level offensively. If teams are going to make us drive the field, we have to prove that we're able to do that, and I'm sure we'll get a lot of the same this next week with the Chargers. One of the things I like about Mahomes, and I'm going to sound like an old fart, but, you know, Baker Mayfield, emotionally and maturity,
Starting point is 00:20:59 wasn't quite ready to be the guy, and James Winston never was, and Johnny Mansell wasn't, and Cam, kind of, was physically, or he was physically, there is something to be said coming into this league like mature, and maybe it's because his dad was a major league baseball player, but, you know, Baker Mayfield wasn't quite ready emotionally.
Starting point is 00:21:17 Andrew Luck was. Now, Baker had better teammates and a better offensive line and a better run game. But there is, you know, I mean, I didn't know Tom Brady had a personality until he went to Tampa. So, and I know
Starting point is 00:21:32 somebody wants to, you told me this. Do you care about the right stuff? And with the Mahomes, he cares about the work. He cares about the wins. He's got a lot of movement around him. His brother, his wife, has, you know, got a social media presence. And he's a star.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And it's just Travis Kelsey. And it's a big, loud bunch of stuff around him. And he just cares about the right stuff. And I think there's some real value in it. I don't think he gets credit for this. But it would be so easy. I mean, guys that didn't achieve anything in the NFL, I mean, they're on 19 commercials. I see some of these commercials that are playing, and I'm like, Will Levis, get off the commercials, dude.
Starting point is 00:22:15 You're not good enough to have them. And I used to say this about Baker. You're a good actor. Spend more time on the playbook. Less time to. I don't care if it's off-season-on-season. Tom Brady wouldn't do commercials until like eight, nine years in, and he included his offensive linemen. Now, you say, well, what, Mahal, Mahal?
Starting point is 00:22:33 I didn't see any rookie year Mahomes commercials. Now, he's all over him the minute he won the MVP and they started winning his Super Bowls. But I just feel like with Mahomes, he cares about the right stuff and he's self-critical. And I don't think it's as easy as you think. Somebody said that Trent Dilford told me this years ago. He goes, when you lose in the NFL, everybody acts the same. They're pissed and they work hard. He goes, it's the difference in the NFL is what happens when you win and you win a lot.
Starting point is 00:22:59 That's where guys go sideways. When you lose, you're humbled. You get barked at. You work hard. You want to redeem yourself. Losing's actually easy because you know you have to work hard. But when you win and you get commercial offers and you get all the upside stuff, that's when it's harder. How do you handle winning?
Starting point is 00:23:18 And I think, you know, I think my home handles it the right way. And I think it's much more difficult than anybody would want to acknowledge. There's a lot of movement around Kansas City. You got Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey, family. His wife's got a presence. Like there's a lot of stuff. Harrison Buckner, there's a comment here. Doesn't bother me, but the media firestorm around it,
Starting point is 00:23:38 and you're winning trophies every year. Every game is prime time. Almost every game is standalone. Mahomes is, he's a unicorn. Most people his age couldn't handle this stuff. He's sharp. And Valichick's right on the money. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.
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Starting point is 00:27:53 on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. Well, he's the highest-graded offensive linemen for the Buffalo Bills the last seven years. He's on his way to a Hall of Fame level. Seven years in the NFL, three Pro Bowls. He doesn't miss games. And now he's got his own podcast studio.
Starting point is 00:28:15 So this guy's a player. Dionne Dawkins, Bill's offensive tackle, joins us every year. And look at this guy. Look at this guy. Look at that. Holy moly. You're like a mogul. What's up, man?
Starting point is 00:28:27 How you do it? So I got to ask you, you know, what's happened with Buffalo, and I've said this before, you guys break my heart every year, but this year feels different. And the reason it feels different, Dion, I think you have a better run game. I think you had last year at another tight end. I feel like the offense has got more chess pieces. Me watching. Does it feel like that to you?
Starting point is 00:28:54 Yes. I would say that our team. has more chess pieces. That's a beautiful way to put it. Our team has a whole board of pieces that can be moved and placed to get the job done. I feel like in the previous years, like, everybody knew exactly where the football and was going, which is cool. Like, we had digs and we had those guys Gabe. We knew exactly where the ball and was going. Now we have a whole roll of decks of guys that could do it. We could leave the ball in Cook's hand. We could put it in Dalton's hand. We could put it in Nox's hand. We could put it in 13. We could put it in
Starting point is 00:29:30 put it on zero. Like we could put it on 10. We could put it on 15. Like we could put it on so many different guys at any point in the game. And I think that that's what is keeping the game more exciting and more fun because don't nobody know where that ball is going. Like if you have a long down, like everybody knew the ball was going to Stefan. And now since we had the change up change, you know, it could go to so many in different pieces. But I think that you just put it best. It is kind of like a bigger chess board. You know, it's interesting. When you get into a game like
Starting point is 00:30:00 last night, and for you, I mean, you don't miss games, you dominate people. But not every, that's not the way it works for most players. Early in that game last night, when you guys huddle and you're just doing whatever you want to do, could you sense
Starting point is 00:30:16 by the second drive, Dion, could you sense like, they don't want this smoke? Like, this is just going to be our night. Did you know it before it kind of exploded. Oh, man. I wish that I could say yes. I really do wish that I could say yes. I do think that you know what? Yes. I would say yes. I think after the first drive and everything worked to our accord because we like we practice. We have a game plan. So every game, we just have to execute our game plan. And when we executed our game plan as fluently as and we did,
Starting point is 00:30:51 it's a great feeling. I know our goal, like, when we touch the football is we want to score every time we touch the ball. Every time the offense gets on the football field, we want to score. So the first two possessions, when we got on the field and we scored, it was like, all right, this is going in the right direction of the coaches put a good game plan in and we're going to execute this at a high level and it's working. But up front, like, as an offensive line, like, we had a tough, a tough battle. Like, I had to play against, against Josh. And it was a battle. Every rep. And I know Spencer and was battling, Connor, Sybo, and Dave, like every single rep. Like, we were battling up front,
Starting point is 00:31:37 which made it a good thing for our offense. But since we did our job, it just made it a little bit easier for 17. You know, as I was watching the game last night, and maybe I'll sound like a fan boy here. But, there's two places in the NFL that I always think that if you were draft green bay and buffalo and I'm watching that game last night like everybody's got a jersey on and do you ever just think damn I got lucky I got buffalo I got Josh Allen I got a capable I mean there's a lot of guys coming in this league Dion and they don't get the coach they get a bad quarterback you get traded four times I'm watching Buffalo last night I'm like man this this thing's going to work for like eight more years
Starting point is 00:32:23 You may never have to go and you play the right position. You ever think that or is that stuff stuff guys like me talk about? No, that is the honest truth. I'm a true believer in God. And, you know, everything happens for a reason. Like, I grew up shoveling snow. Then I get drafted to a place where I could shovel snow every day in my life. You know, Buffalo is just that.
Starting point is 00:32:45 And then I get the first year I get blessed with the presence of being around Tyra Taylor and Peterman. And then the following year, here comes Josh Allen. And when I'm there, and then it's just like, all right, every piece of this is coming together the right way. Like, I had OGs that were around me early, which made me feel like I was supposed to be there to implement what was going to be for the future. I had Richie Incognito, Eric Wood. I had O.G.'s LeShon McCoy, like, I had these heavy hitter players that, you know, implemented what they implemented in me early. and then I got to throw it over to Josh and these guys,
Starting point is 00:33:24 which now I have a team of leaders that is helping this thing grow. But I do think that things happen for a reason. I am thankful that I am here, and you are correct. With being here, it is extremely unique. The Bills Mafia is one of those places where you could be a lineman and feel like a quarterback. You could be a long snapper and feel like a quarterback as well. And I'm pretty sure that Green Bay is the same way.
Starting point is 00:33:51 And I'm thankful for an organization and a community like this that makes us feel like that. Because who doesn't want to be some place that they're not wanted? Like, who wants to be there? But this place makes you feel extremely wanted. So I tip my hat to Buffalo every day. And that's why I give so much passion and I speak with so much passion when I talk about them. Because this place is one of a kind. And, you know, yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:18 And he did. But everything is better when you're winning. I want to talk to you about Damar Hamlin's first interception last night. That adds a layer. There's a layer with this team. And you talked about God earlier. Things work in mysterious ways. And we watched what happened, how emotional it was.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Now he gets an interception. What was kind of the reaction? I mean, that's a pretty special moment in a career. What was that like? You know, when it happened, I didn't even realize it was his first pick. I really didn't. Like, I've seen DeHam and make plays. But the reaction was exciting.
Starting point is 00:34:56 The stadium went crazy. Yeah, crazy. Three went crazy. And everybody's excitement made everybody excited. So we were all excited just to be excited for De Ham, which I call him slam. Like we were just excited to see this kid that has gone through one of the most tragic things in life. And then come back and then be playing at a high level and then get his first pick on Monday night ball. Like, you can't ask for a better situation.
Starting point is 00:35:26 He's showing out in front of the world that has been doubting him and has been telling him, oh, he should never touch the football field again. Right. And now he's on the football field and is moonwalking. So I also tip my hat to D. Schlam. He is one of the great left tackles in football. So I do a thing every Tuesday during the football season called the Heard Hierarchy. I rank the top 10 teams.
Starting point is 00:35:49 And I got to be honest, you've been more impressive than Kansas City. I have you number two. I don't know what to do at number three. Every time I pick a number three team, they lose. I have Minnesota, Green Bayish in that spot. So I have you number two. Now, I know, I know you don't want to talk about Kansas City, but out of the corner of your eye, Dion, like 1%.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Do you keep your eye a little on the cheek? Just a little. You are my guy, man. You are something else. I would say you can never not look. You can never not look. You can never not peek in and see what the reigning champions are doing out of respect. You can never not do it.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I focus on the week ahead. Us as a unit, we focus on the day ahead, which leads us to focusing on the week ahead. But of course, like, we're not robots. I'm not a robot, and I'm pretty sure everyone does. We all are looking at who won this week? How did they play? How did this guy do? How did he do?
Starting point is 00:36:50 Did this guy do well or did he do bad? How is this D.N. doing? I look mostly at the defensive ends and the D-Tacles. All I watch is D-Ns. So I do watch. I do peek and I do check on these teams, especially the reigning champions. It would not be right if you weren't. We're playing a game where we're all trying to get the ultimate prize. And if the ultimate prize has been held by one team every single year, I'm going to keep my eye on them. I want to know what they're doing. I want to know what they're doing, what they're saying, how they're talking in press conferences. want to know how they acting. I want to know what they're wearing. I want to know what type of energy they're bringing to their unit, which is making them be successful. That's just me. Just me.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Well, you, just you, has got your own podcast studio. By the way, all you have, you like the studio. All you athletes out there, do you notice how good this sounds and how clear it sounds and get a little free sponsor? I know, I know that company, what it is, they're loving this. So you have just, you have crushed it and you're not only as Buffalo lucky, you're lucky. That is a great American NFL environment. I love having you on. And I know you're busy, dude, and you got stuff to do, but you gave me time today, and I appreciate that. I'm honored.
Starting point is 00:38:06 I'm thankful. And like how I always say, it's an honor to be an offensive lineman and to do things like this. In this league, the offensive linemen, we don't have no awards. We don't have no trophies. We go to the SBs. We go to the NFL honors. We don't get no awards, right? So this is an award.
Starting point is 00:38:23 I take this as that. When I'm able to get in front of the world and talk ball and just to be seen, I take it with the most respect because it doesn't happen. Like, we're not talking about some of these other tackles that have a personality. Like, I'm thankful that I'm in that position to inspire others, and I appreciate that. This is just something that, you know, I watch, I learn, and I say, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right. And I want whoever's watching to follow in the right footsteps.
Starting point is 00:38:48 So I'm going to lead you to success. The pride of Temple. Great seeing you, Dion, truly. Yes, sir. All right. He's just great. I just love him. And he's good.
Starting point is 00:39:01 And they've had a lot of musical chairs on that O-line, but, man, I was just looking at the highest-graded O-Linman seven years in a row. Bills have allowed the few of sacks in the league this year. It was good. There's another team in that division that thinks they're at that level. I can always tell when you start. How do you not like him? I like him.
Starting point is 00:39:23 He's a nice guy. Seems like a friendly gentleman. And the Jets are going to bully him and win again this year. Sorry, Dion, it's happening. But I love how you needle the Jets. Oh, yeah, Bill's. Oh, they're so good. Amazing, Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:39:38 Hierarchy number two. Settled down. Long season, my friend. Who are the Jets playing this weekend? Does it matter? They're winning. Bo Nix. That's an easy,
Starting point is 00:39:50 One game winning streak. Listen. Is it two? Two, I forget. Two game winning streak. Hey, don't forget that Titans win. We'll love us in the Patriots. Congratulations on that.
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