The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Final Four

Episode Date: April 1, 2022

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Welcome in. Today is April 1st, which, have there been any, like, April Fool's thing? I don't like April Fool's Day. Like, I don't think, I don't know. And I'm okay with jokes. being played on me. Like a couple years ago

at the Final Four, Dan Patrick, they surprised me with a pie in my face, right? Like, those sorts of things are funny. I just,

my reason for not liking April Fool's Day is the same reason I don't like horror movies. Because there's a, there's a portion of your brain, right?

Like, fear is a, fear is a definite portion of your brain and your disson. sit you're as a human being and you can't let fear you can't let fear hold you back in life in your career in your personal life you know it it can be it can be paralyzing and learning to overcome those fears part of growing up but part of also what allows some of the greats to be successful right because you have to not fear the ramifications of missing shots now you got to be good enough to

make them, but, you know, playing through experience in life, even knowing that fear is a part of it and somehow overcoming it, that's a huge thing. But I don't think we need to artificially manufacture fear. That's my point, right? Like, I don't like, I don't want to go to the movie theater to make fear a bigger part of my life. You know, I got, I got two teenage girls that are going to turn 16 in a week and a half. I got enough fears for all the things. It's like terrifying when you think of like, wait, they go to high school.

I was at high school parties. I remember what they were like. I have one who she drives all the time. She's got the permit. She doesn't even ask anymore. She just gets into the driver's seat. Where are we going? Got a personal chauffeur.

The other one, like, she's going to be driving soon too. I have a daughter who's, uh, I, I have a daughter who's, uh, I, I believe beautiful, brilliant, talented. She rides horses. That's what she wants to do for the rest of her life. She wants to be a professional. We had a great talk because she was under the impression that I didn't understand kids going pro right out of high school. And I was like, every sport outside of football.

And basketball really, you don't even have to go now. If you're good enough, you go pro, but you have to have a whole plan in place. But anyway, she, I don't, she walked out water for me. but she struggles with knowing her left from her right. I swear to God. She just does. On a horse, she knows exactly where she's supposed to go, what she's supposed to go, how to man, I don't know.

But under pressure, hey, take a left up here, like which ways. Come on, man, do the finger with your left thing. Brilliant kid. Everybody has a, so I have fears she's going to get lost. Even with GPS, she'll get lost, whatever. I don't need to go to the movie theater for that. And you know what else I don't? I don't need fear within my news.

if it's real is real so I don't like I don't like April Fool's jokes does that make sense Ryan like I'm my am I too much have I gone too soft but I've never liked

April Fool's jokes I've never liked my brother and sister used to always watch the Halloween movies on Halloween and I think it was like Halloween 3 or 4

that had the cockroaches coming out of coming out of the pumpkin and I had nightmares for months I was like I'm good I'm good here I'm good the next horror movie

I watched was scream I think I was in high school, maybe college. I didn't like that one either. First scene got me. I was good there. My making sense with, there's enough fear in the world, I don't need it artificially manufactured. Totally.

I'm with you. I've never been a huge scary movie guy myself. My wife absolutely hates them. So now, like, I couldn't even tell you the last, like, quote-unquote scary movie that I watched. And then in terms of April Fool's, I don't mind. Like, I actually agree with you completely.

Like, a little gag from, like your friends or your family members. Like, that's all good. The thing that I don't like is, and I think this is probably pretty niche to our industry that we work in, is like people who do like fake breaking news stuff. Like one of the things today, this one was pretty obvious. Like Julian Edelman put out of things saying I'm coming out of retirement and joining the bucks.

Like that one I kind of caught on to relatively quickly. I was like, oh, that's not real. LeBron James, which we can only assume, I haven't seen an update. he admitted that it was a joke. Today he said, well, it looks like that's it. I'm done for the season. I'll see y'all in the fall. It's like, okay, well, you are injured.

So, like, is that real? Or is that obviously just a joke because he's playing tonight? So it's things like that where it's like factual information that we're trying to follow along with. I'm like, okay, that's actually, number one, not very funny. So bad joke. And number two, like, come on, we're trying to get a hold on, you know, fake. news and all this stuff, quit trying to feed, feed into it. Yeah, maybe that's the third factor in it that I, I wasn't, I didn't kind of dig in on,

which is like, we're still still dealing with the fact that, that there is very much a, a fake news element to news, right? Yeah. And so adding to that adds fuel to that flame. It adds fuel to that flame. Let me add to the, the, the, the, the flame of the Bruce Ariens thing. Look, when I don't know about situations and I try and really listen and understand the reality of what happens in each decision, retire, unretire, fired, trades that are made. It's not as pronounced as we like to make it seem in the media. All is not good. All is not bad.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I just, I try and look at the Bruce Ariens thing with an open mind, but I just can't buy into this deal. By not buying into this deal, I mean what Bruce Ariens is selling in regards to why he decided to hang him up. Now, full disclosure, and you can listen to Doug Gottlieb show daily, 3 to 6 Eastern Time, 12 through Pacific, on many of these Fox Sports radio stations. You can download it in the IHeart Radio app as well. I have said for months that the presumption was Bruce Ariens would retire and hand it off to one of the two assistants, most likely Todd Bulls. Remember, Todd Bulls was with him in Arizona as his defensive coordinator before Todd Bulls took the job with the Jets and most believe that Bowles is an excellent coach and he would get a second opportunity with a much more competent general manager than the one he took over with. in New York and be giving a better shot.

That said, the idea that Bruce Ariens is telling us, listen, I was going to keep coaching because I was worried about the staff, but then when I got Tom Brady, I was no longer worried about the staff, so I'm going to kick myself upstairs. Like, you want to talk about it hard to believe. So all I try and look at is all of the succession of the stories, right? The story is first Tom Brady has a great season. Tom Brady's team comes up short of an incredible comeback as the Rams try and give the game away. Tom announces a little bit prematurely that he's going to retire.

And remember, it was on a big, was that selection Sunday? When did he? It was pretty early. It was a big day in which he announced it, big sports day, which all of a sudden, Tom Brady just took over the news. And then it was selection Sunday, right? and it was like, I didn't even, the brackets coming out didn't even matter because Tom Brady was the greatest quarterback, most successful quarterback of all the time, retiring.

But if you want to tell me, like, that's, now you're going to retire? Hold on. Wait. Brady retired, but then there was a story from Rich Ornberger, who of course played with Brady, has relationships with those, that there is a rift between the two. Then even after announcing he's coming back, there was the story that maybe he wanted to play in Miami. Gronk has been non-committal about retiring or coming back. I mean, it feels to everyone I know like Brady said, I'll come back. I just don't want to play for that guy. And it makes sense. They're polar opposite personalities. It did work. They won a championship. That's great. But Brady's an in-at-5 a.m. guy. Brady is not the good time Charlie of Bruce Ariens. And it doesn't mean he dislikes

Sarians, it just means that in order to be successful at this stage in his career, he needs everybody pulling the direction and he wants to operate the offense, the way he wants to operate the offense. And the best way to do so is to return to Tampa, but with Bruce out of the mix. He basically did the reverse Jimmy Chitwood. Chipwood said, I want to play ball. I stay, coach stays I play. It feels like Tom Brady did the opposite.

I want to play some ball. Bruce stays. I'm on the couch. Bruce kicks himself upstairs or onto a boat with a cigar and a cocktail on his hand. And I'm back. That's what it feels like to me. Hit me up at Gottlieb Show on Twitter, on IG. Also, I have the Doug Gottlieb Show fan page on Facebook.

Coming up next, a year later after winning a national title. How'd they do it? How'd they build it? What is that experience like? And what can we expect this weekend? I'll ask Scott Drew. He's still the defending national championship head coach from Baylor. He'll join us next in The Hurt.

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of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Doug Gottlieb, in for Colin this is The Hurt on Fox Sports Radio app. It was one year ago. Where Baylor, I mean, you want to talk

about one of the most amazing builds in the history of any sport. I give you Baylor basketball, who, I mean, obviously, when you know anything about it, you know what happened when Scott Drew took over and they had to have, you know, they had to go walk around campus and just find dudes, anybody possibly who wants to play basketball. This is back in 2003, all the way to 2021, when they win the national championship, championship and they absolutely mall Gonzaga and a couple of lead eights in between. Like the build has been incredibly impressive.

And then even this year, losing to the same North Carolina team and what was a crazy comeback and forced overtime. Scott Drew's their head coach. He joins us in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. How much different is the feeling of final four week considering like you're like me, raised in a coach, your coach's son. you've been around your whole life, but now you're the champion of this thing. How much different is this weekend as a feel?

Well, I can tell you what feels most different is, you know, after two years of not having the fans and all the hoopla and everything involved, the excitement with the final four, it's great to be back in a part of that. And it's always good to spend time with you. I know when it comes to Big 12 basketball, what respect you have and what knowledge you have. And like with this year, we did lose a tough one in North Carolina. But any time you can win a Big 12 championship and get a number one seed in the NCAA tournament, it's been a heck of a year.

Unfortunately, only one team is happy at the end of the year. The blessing for us is last year it was us, so we got to experience that. We also won the NIT in 2013. So when you win that last game, there is no better feeling. Unfortunately, out of 358 schools, only one is going to be the NCAA tournament. as you know. I asked Kelvin, Calvin Sampson joined us earlier.

I asked him, like you've been around for this. It feels like a transformation where the state of Texas has become the state in college basketball. Now look, we're still having Carolina

and Duke playing the Final Four. So I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but there's six McDonald's All-American from the Metroplex. Six. From one area? Right? And then you guys are defending

national champions. You got Houston went to the Final Four Elite 8. Texas is building a new building. Obviously, Tech has been to a Final Four. We know how good they were this year. I guess when did this turn happen? Because you got to Baylor in 2003, and it does feel like a transformation process.

You know, it starts where the players are. And we've always had players in the state of Texas. but when they started staying in at home, and I think last year I said this, high school basketball, AAU basketball, the facilities and resources, the state has spent in developing and helping our athletes reach their full potential has allowed us universities to benefit. Because at the end of the day, the number one thing that college kids do is normally stay close to home. So anyway, that's been a huge advantage for all of us. And like you said, six McDonald's All-Americans, all from the Metroplex. And now they might go to a different school like Keante George went to IMG, but he's a Texas kid and wants to play at Baylor University and back home.

Last year, everything went right. This year, not everything went right, right? You didn't have L.J. Cryer for the tournament. You didn't have Jonathan Tachua in the tournament. When you were coaching last year in the Final Four, and when did you know? And I'll tell you because it's interesting, I was going around last year and it was a little bit of a gag

but it was a little bit serious where I thought it was Gonzaga or everybody else. And you guys were supposed to play Gonzaga earlier in the year and that got canceled because of COVID, right? And never got made up. And I can't tell you how many coaches would text me going like, you're right, except there's one team that will absolutely mall them and it's, it's Baylor. And I was like, really?

Like, yeah. Baylor's better. And they will, there's just, they're just, they're just, better. When did you know? When did you, when you're watching the game, you're coaching the national championship game, when did you know, we got these guys? Well, I wish those coaches would have called me, and then I wouldn't

have to worry before the game, you know? So, you know, coaches get nervous before every game, no matter who you're playing. And you come up with a game playing if you execute it, you know you have a chance to be successful. In that championship game,

I'll be honest, I was I remember at the end of the game, Coach Tang said, you ready to empty the bench? And I looked at him like he was crazy because I didn't realize the game was at that point. And when you're so locked in and you're so close to reaching a goal and a dream of winning a game, winning a championship, as you know, it's just one possession at a time. And with Gonzaga, we got off to a great start, but they cut the lead at the halftime. And such an explosive team, you knew what they're capable of doing.

You didn't feel secure until Coach Fews started to empty his bench. We emptied our bench. And then from there, the rest is history. But this March badness in one game, it doesn't matter who's the best team. It's who's the best team for that 40 minutes or 45 minutes. And you and I know, I mean, going back to when Villanova be Georgetown. Georgetown, if they played, what, 10 times? If they played 100 times, Georgetown might have won that game 95 times, 99.

times, but it's a one game, and that's what makes March Madden. No question. Why is Carolina so much better now than they were earlier in the season? Well, I think first you've got to give Hubert Davis a lot of credit for cutting the roster, rotation, meaning like trimming who they were playing, when they were playing them, and then credit the players for stepping up with the more menace and responsibility. And one thing, Doug, you know, the game is a mental game also. And when you're playing with confidence and you win a couple close ones and you get on a role

and you've got some different swag to you, I mean, right now, you look at it. I think when they beat Duke with Coach Case last game in Cameron, I mean, that sends you to another level confidence-wise. And it's a talented team because North Carolina and Duke are always going to be talented. but right now they're playing the best basketball of the season in the last 10 games or so, and that's when you want to peak. And you look at it with us last year. We had some great games, but we peaked also during March Madness because of that three weeks off with COVID.

It took us some time to get back, but we were fresh, hungry, rejuvenated. And then you also look, Brady Manick, he's a senior, and probably doesn't want to season to end. and he's really taking his game to another level, consistency-wise, scoring over 20 and how many of the last games as well. Yeah, I mean, and I'm sure you're good, considering the four years he played at Oklahoma, and then he beats you in your last game of the season, and obviously he got ejected, but he was having, like, the game of his life. You're good, never seeing Brady Manick play against you. I've seen that cat hit threes for five years now. I'm good. Yeah, I've seen enough. How is Bill self to me is a remarkable coach.

Obviously, you guys battle every year. This year, you know, you guys split the Big 12 championship with them, right? Yeah. But I would, I mean, like, I don't know if Bill would argue with it. I think you have a better roster. And you smacked them the last time you played them. And it didn't feel like they were anything sort of special. And yet here they are as a favorite in the national semi-final.

You coach against him. You know, it's a war every year to win the Big 12 title with him. What is it that makes him who he is and what they are as a coach? Well, I think, first, they've been extremely consistent. You look, since 2008, Kansas and Baylor are the only two power five schools to win 18 or more a year. And Coach Self always has talented players, but he always gets them to play as a team. He always gets them to improve throughout the year. they do have a great home court environment, which you know you've got to win your home games,

and especially in the Big 12, you've got to win your home games. But I think this year, the emergence of Remy Martin at the end of the year has been an ace up the sleeve, you could say, from the standpoint, it's just another person who can score 20. He can get his own. You don't have to run plays to get him shots. And, I mean, the fact that Coach Self during the year he was injured, but he kept him a part of the team and engaged to where he could be a part of this run down the stretch is why I coach self is the Hall of Fame coach. So we played Villanova, we played Kansas, we played North Carolina, he beat the hell out of Villanova.

And that's where matchups and injuries and when you're playing well, all that stuff, all that stuff comes into effect and all of it matters. but I can tell you that when you got a healthy McCormick and usually that first game in the week he's better than the second game because of his foot and then you throw in Ochai and Brown and then now you've got a Remy Jalen Wilson I mean you got several guys that can score 20 on you and you don't have to run plays to get them those opportunities

yeah just in case people forget you held Villanova to 36 points in the Farrell Center early this year Yeah, that was a good game for the Baylor Bears. Yeah, that was that, that was, if you would have told me walking off the court that the other team was the Final Four team and you guys were not, that would have been a tough one, tough one to buy into it. Last thing, Scott Drew head coach of Bailey defending national champions. Close your, close your eyes for a second, okay? Not if you're not driving or walking across the street, I hope. No, not right now.

What, what, what, when I say last year Monday night winning an national championship, what's the first memory that comes to your head? Was there anyone that you look down and you're like showing people? Was there one that you looked down and you showed people? Like, I cannot believe this guy texted me. It could be anybody. You know the ones that obviously excited me the most were our past players that were so excited. I mean, some of those like Carol Dawson, who coached to Baylor, played at Baylor.

Yeah, Jersey retired with the Houston Rockets. And then having a victory parade where all our past players walked in it and seeing 70, 80-year-old men with their families walk and be honored and cheered, obviously the excitement for all Baylor Nation and the Baylor family, but also Texas, because, as you know, we've only won one championship before last year. That was Texas Western. So to see everybody have a chance to win a championship for all their hard work and the pride that goes in with that.

That's what excites me the most when other people are excited. That's why I coach. You want to see other people reach goals and dreams. And when you see fans and people that have cheered you on for a long time, be able to put their chest out and be proud and happy, that's a great feeling. Well, Scott, continue to enjoy the victory lap course, I think you know, you know like I do, winning a big 12 title is a very slight notch blow winning the actual national title, considering how good that league is and how important it is the year

afterwards. Thanks so much for joining us, and we'll catch up with you soon. Hey, thanks for all that you do for college basketball. Have a blessed day. All right, that's Scott Drew. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. All right, Doug. Let's keep the basketball conversation going, but turn our attention to the NBA a bit. Kevin Durant did an interview with the ringer. He talked about many things. It's a great piece.

I would recommend checking it out. One of the things he talked about was sort of his legacy, if you will, where he stands. And he said this about Jersey retirements. Oklahoma City has to retire my jersey. It wouldn't even be good for the game of basketball if they didn't. The same with Golden State. I'm still doing what I'm doing here in Brooklyn. But if I continue on what I'm doing for four or five years,

then I still feel the same way about this program. I feel like I am basketball. I breathe it. This is my DNA. I put in the time and respect and love for each one of those programs on and off the floor to get that type of recognition. If I don't do it, then it's personal. I agree.

Really, I disagree in this respect. Oklahoma City, I totally get. I mean, he was drafted there. Seattle Supersonics. He was with there for the transition. he was a great player for them, going to the finals, whatever. What he may or may not be doing in Brooklyn, okay, you know, that's TBD, we'll see about that.

I don't think the Warriors necessarily owe him a Jersey retirement. Probably not. You can't play for a team for four seasons and think that they owe you that. I mean, wait, you don't think that, hold on. Are the Miami-Heat can retire, going to retire Kevin, James, LeBron James Jersey? I don't think they have any obligation to, no. Nobody has an obligation to.

Like, look, I'll be honest. Life's not fair. I'll just tell you, can I give you, life is, start with, wake up every morning with, with one thing. Life is not fair. Okay. Nobody owes you anything. Nobody owes you anything. Life's not fair.

Nobody owes you anything. I will tell you that it chaps you when you, a cop, like, look, my high school, I was promised 25 years ago they were retired my jersey. I literally held every, I literally had every record. And they didn't do it. I only played three years, four years there. Okay, but that's different, Doug, because there's a term limit on how long you could play there. It would be concerning if you played more than four years of high school basketball.

I think four years about to cut off two finals MVP's. No, he was an incredible player. I don't doubt that. But when you talk about professional careers, it's going to be hard to put him in the same. The big one is Oklahoma City. I don't think the big one is Oklahoma City. 100%. That one I totally get.

Absolutely positively should. No question about it. And Dave, well, he left us and he didn't win it. Like, dude, that's garbage. The Oklahoma City was nothing. Yeah. He built it into something very special. Yeah, that we can absolutely agree on.

But what's going to be hard is you're going to put his jersey up in the rafters alongside a Steph Curry or a Draymond Green or a Clay Thompson. It's not going to be nearly the same type of feeling. I would agree. And that's Ryan Music with News. That's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. He's the head coach of Texas.

I just like saying Texas, right? Kind of sounds right. Sounds a little bit more official. He's also been here as a coach with Texas Tech coaching in the Fonofor. He's Chris Beard, and he joins us in the herd. What's it like this side of it as opposed to when you're with tech and you're prepping for the Fonofor in terms of your day and your energy and your brain? Hold on that, that Mike.

Let's try this one. No, no, I got it. I think I have to do some sort of mic, Mike thing here. I don't know which one, which one to turn on it. Oh, man, this is, this is brutal, where they leave me at the controls of things here real quick. Damn.

All right. You got a second. Do you have another one coming up right after? All years, brother. There you go. Can you hear him now? Is that good? Okay.

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All right, so here's what happened, okay? So Chris Beard is kindly waiting, you know, for Scott Drew to stop talking, right? So all things Big 12 in Texas. And he's kind of, so we pop him on and the mic isn't hot. And I'm left to my device. I have no idea how to do anything in radio except talking to the actual microphone. So Porter Mosier is hanging. He's supposed to be after Chris Beard.

So, you know, it's Texas and Oklahoma and their rivals, although they're trying to both ruin the conference that I love in the Big 12 and leaving for the SEC. And so they decide. side, hey, let's do this segment together. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to do Texas OU together. Porter Mojure, who's coaching Nafana 4 at Loyalus Chicago, now the head coach at Oklahoma. And Chris Beard is coach in Afano 4 at Texas Tech.

Now the head coach at Texas joining. How are you doing? Good. It's like poncho and lefty, man. So what you guys were sharing was a story was when you got the Illinois State job, right? Yeah. Okay. And so what I don't know, I don't think we've done a really good job in the media of allowing people to understand.

Final four is not the same as it used to be. but what it kind of is, which is the coach's convention. It's like a reunion. It's a very unique thing that other sports don't have. Just don't. Like NFL football, they try and do it with the combine, you know, where everybody shows up. There's nothing really for the NFL. College football doesn't have one gathering place, right?

Everybody's playing their own bowl game. Then you get down with your bowl game and you get out in your recruiting, right? College basketball has this one where you see guys, hey, great season coach, right? So you're in San Antonio. That's the story you're telling? I don't know. The years blend together, you know, I don't know. So are the jobs. All you guys pop in a job and a job.

Especially Porter. No, I vividly remember. I was a young coach somewhere and broke as always. I think we were sleeping in the car at the Final Four, and Porter was gracious enough to buy as a subway sandwich. That's what it was. That's what you call it 12-ounce can in the Subway sandwich? I mean, I didn't talk about beverages.

Sandwich in a can? No, I just remember sitting there and we're all talking ball, and we're drawing up plays on napkins, and we're just catching up like we always do down here. and then Porter got a phone call, and he disappeared for a while, and we were hoping he'd come back because he had the best job at the time, so we were hoping he paid the tab. Then when he came back in, he's like, guys, I just got job XYZ. I don't remember which one it was.

I just remember, I vividly remember that, like, the joy on your face, and we thought it was cool, too. You left, and we were like, high-fiving for you, man. Now, you know what? Now that I think about it, I know what we just talked about it was, but I know what exactly where it was. It was in Houston, and it was when I got Loyola job, because I was out of it. I was with Coach Majeris, and I got that job. But you know what's crazy about this?

This is what is great about the coaches. You see each other in recruiting, and you're just running past each other on the courts. But the final four, you can sit down and have lunch. You can X and O and do things. And I've known Chris for years. We've known each other. But it was funny coming up in the profession, you'd go through the lobby, and everybody was like, who's getting this job?

Who's getting this job? This year? Who's transferring? Who's transferred? That's what the tone is this year. The sport is really, sport is really interesting, right, in that it's a bit of a mess, right? You have on one side you have name image and likeness, which makes it rewarding for some

of the kids, but hard to do what you guys do. And then you have the transfer portal, which, let me kind of lay it out and you guys tell me if I'm wrong, right? So first, you recruit kids. The best kids you have are going to want to go pro. The next group of kids want to leave so that they can be the best kid for somebody else because they think that you're holding them back. And then a kid in a bench who you're trying to say, like, look, your time is coming.

They get frustrated and they want to leave as well. And then you have to turn and recruit out of the portal somebody else's kid who may or may not be able to assume those roles. So it's got to be, I like, I mean, look, you've coached at every level in terms of semi-pro, which is it's a little bit more parallel to that. But for you guys, have been doing this a long time. It's completely changed the profession, hasn't it? You know, for us, we both coached at lower levels.

I mean, I was at Little Rock. It's really going to be hard for the lower levels. I mean, it is really hard. Because if a kid's good, he's going to either leave and go pro, or he's going to go to a higher level school. He's got to do it at this level. He's got to do it at this level. But it's also hard for you guys now at a higher level,

because it's hard to sometimes evaluate. All right, a kid's a stud at Little Rock. But what does he look like in the Big 12, where everybody's bigger, stronger, and just as old? Like, that's got to be hard as well. terms of the evaluation. And one thing I don't think people talk about enough is, is how short the time frame is in this recruiting process.

Am I good here? We on? Yeah. Like, you know, like a kid hits a portal and portal, you know, like, you have 48 hours sometimes. You have maybe a week. And so, like, I think we can all figure out this evaluation piece, but it's me.

We don't have a lot of time to do it. So I know in our office right now, it used to be when the season ended, you know, you might be able to go reintroduce yourself to your family and actually mow the long. or something. Now, I don't know about you guys, but like, we, we, we had our longest day, the day our season ended, because we're back in the office trying to dig into the portal. So it's an interesting time, no doubt. No doubt. There's the amount of, the, the, you jump right

into it. You know, I hated my nickname. Someone called me their day. They go, they called me Portal Moser. I said, come on, man. I said, come on. How do you, how do you build a culture of a program if you're having, you're changing parts every year? So I, for, His fan base, my fan base, there's so much of you want to have an identity with those players, like a Hollis Price, Eduardo Nahara, where the fan bases know it. Now I'm just going to be worried that so many things are transient, and people are coming and going so much that the fan base doesn't have it. But as far as a relationship with your guys, man, it's tough because, you know, you're almost having,

the other day we had a freshman announced that people talk about. I saw it in another program of freshmen announce he's staying. They're like, man, we're in a world where the freshmen are announcing they're staying. Yes. That should have, it was just a given. Border Mosier, Chris Beard, my guest, Doug Gottliebun for Colin, Hurd, Fox Sports Radio, right here live at the Final Four. All right, I want to go through these coaches because you guys compete against both of them. Okay, let's start with self because you see that deal up close and personal.

I'll say it you don't have to. This is the least talented Final Four team Kansas ever had. It's not close. It's not a great roster. Okay. But somehow he's done it again. How? What's the secret sauce?

And don't say, A Thousand Island. Yeah, I love coach. So I hope this doesn't go, you know, taking the wrong way. But I still think it's about the players. I mean, on any given night, McCormick can be the best big in Kyle's basketball in a 40-minute game. Bron and Ochi on any given night in a 40-minute game can be the best two wings in Kyle's basketball.

They had a pure point guard in Harris. And then the real, you know, wild card right now is Remy. So I think, I understand kind of the perception. This might not be the most talented team. but in a 40-minute game, if everything clicks with those guys, you know, they're obviously here at the Final Four. I think they can win the whole thing. But there's also something kind of brilliant to being able to keep the faith in Remy.

And like a lot of guys, you lose guys during the year. Like, anybody's been part of a basketball team, no. There's a point in time when you just lose guys. Like, ah, he's done. He's checked out, moving on, right? He hasn't lost, didn't lose him. Matter of fact, he got him back late in the year that wasn't working out. out. And then the other guys seem to have bought into it because a lot of times he comes in,

he gets his FGA, he gets 15 shots off the bench. Those other guys have been getting 15 shots all season long. Now they're getting six and seven. Most teams like, oh, hold on now, right? There is a, in terms of the coaching, there's an aspect to it of that, isn't there? Yeah. I mean, getting Rummy back, like, he didn't lose him. That is, but I know he was battling injuries, you know, he came back, he came back in our game and he hit his first two shots. And he didn't, but then you can see later in the game, he wasn't as moving as well. And he was fighting the injury thing. I think he looks completely healthy.

And I think that's what Coach Self said on a thing. You got a guy that can get separation. But to Chris's point about the players, man, I guess I have a different take because we saw him up top. I mean, I look at Obagi's an All-American. Chris Braun's a first-round pick. There's two first-round picks. Next year we could be sitting here. Jalen Wilson could be a first-round pick.

That's three first-round. You're trying to get all their guys to leave to go to the draft. You guys are the worst. submitted that paperwork's already in so before his kid so don't worry self's busy right now he's not listening to but i mean i think they're really really good and here's the other thing that we see all the time like chris is one of the best in the country they switch like everything the way they switch yeah and you're seeing kansas from two to five there's six six six six six six six ten and all of a sudden mccormick they they come in with lightfoot they got they got some i mean kj adams

they're when they're get their defense physically in our league we see it but that's they got guys that can make shots. I mean, you're, you know, I just think they're going to be really tough to beat. I think Nova has, that's the, that's the picture of a college basketball program, right? Like, they just, if you've been around how they do, what they do, and how they play and getting the most out of their guys. But Jay wasn't always this way. Like, we played them in Hofstra and it wasn't this way. Before, when they went to the Final Four with the four guards, they weren't, they weren't this way.

what's it like to see that transformation of him as a coach? Because coaches change too, don't they? Yeah, I agree. We all throw this word culture out there. You know, I've never been in the Villanova locker room, but you can just feel it. And that's the real deal there. So, you know, we lost to them a few years ago on the Elite 8.

The year they went on to win the championship. They went through Kansas the next game. But yeah, we actually spent a lot of time watching Villanova, a lot of the things that they do. I think all coaches do. So they're on another level right now, clicking on all cylinders. You know, like nobody's really talking about the portal or name image and likeness there.

They just keep rolling. Yeah. And I'll add on that. I remember going to the spring AAU event right after we went to the final four at Loyola. And all of a sudden, I got in a conversation with Jay watching a game. And he said, all your fan bases now saying you've got to sign four and five star recruits. And I said, hilarious. Yes.

I met Loyola. He wanted me to sign. And he said, I almost lost my way after our final four in early 2000 because I felt I did that. He goes, don't lose your way in terms of signing people who are fit you. And even though they might be playing a little different, you can just feel the way they are. Their culture, they're pulling for each other, everything. OKGs, they call, right? Our kind of guy.

I got to recruit your kind of guys. And he said that. He almost lost his way. And now he's like, it's all about who fits and all about the program. And it was great advice. And you could just see why Villanova is Villanova. Shishowski. I say Shishvsky.

The two guys that have coached in Final Four's, two guys that are doing really well in the business. What has separated him? You know, I mean, over the years, I mean, just as obviously his leaderships, the way he is. You can just see the former players and everybody, you know, get around him, which they love him. It's his leadership style. Obviously, he's got great players, but they have, like, this family there at Duke pulling for each other. But just watching their talent level and how hard they're playing. But what sticks out to me is how he manages people, how he leads people, those things,

whether it was the Olympics or with Duke, he's one of the leaders. Yeah, I think when I think of just adapting how he's made changes. Not only does he kind of change with the times, he creates the change. You know, like he's the trendsetter. So we all have personal stories in this business, but I've been blessed to get a relationship with him, a friendship. He texts me the other day and he puts Mike at the bottom. This doesn't even feel right.

I can't. I can't, you know, coach, you know. He played us when we were building the program at Texas Tech. He was gracious enough to play us in the garden that year. And that game really put us on a stage we were trying to get to. So I think he's also another one of these guys. There's a lot of them in his business. Porter's one of them.

He's a coach's coach, you know, like literally I think you could be coaching at Angel State. And if you were persistent enough, you could get Coach K on the phone and he would help you. He's just one of those guys. I think the game is better because he's been a part of it. Last thing, I got 30 seconds. If you could change one thing about your Final Four experience, would it be? The last three-minute run where we turned it over against Michigan, we were up to, up ten, it has to go to that swing right there against Michigan. Would you have called a

time out? Is there something in your mind that you could have done differently, personally? We don't have enough time to 30 seconds. Okay. I had a ton of stuff. All right. CB? I wouldn't change anything. We had our best player, Jared Colver, shooting a shot to win the national championship, and I would do it a hundred times out of a hundred times. You get the ball in the best player's hands. You let him shoot it. It just wasn't our year. All right. Texas and Oklahoma together. It's like Compton, Long Beach together. Man, and in Oklahoma State, it's all big. I'll be trying to throw something between you.

Yeah, yeah, it is. Guys, thanks so much for joining us. Congratulations on two outstanding seasons. All right, so you got the final four upcoming this weekend. This has been the herd. I'm just going to tell you right now. I think it's, I think it's going to be Duke winning national championship. I think Kansas wins their semifinal. Kansas wins. Kansas covers. I like the under more than the over. the Duke I like over and Duke to win against North Carolina. Should be a lot of fun.

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