The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Game 5 of the NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

Colin gives his prediction on game 5 of the NBA Finals More on the Jets fining Aaron Rodgers for missing camp   Guest: Chris Broussard See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J. Mack and I are on different sides on Caitlin Clark. I think flagrant fouls are part of the NBA and the WNBA. I also think the WNBA is a little like baseball, where it's very insular. They've often felt ignored. It's sort of a prove-yourself league. Bryce Harper came into Major League baseball.

All you heard was this chorus of there's a way to play. He got into a fist fight with one of his own teammates. Baseball thinks the NBA and the NFL get far more publicity. You don't understand our league. It's like there's a little military feel to it, a Greek system, a hazing

that is part of Major League. baseball. If you come in as a hot shot, and the WNBA has for years lamented their second-class travel. Nobody pays attention to us. So even though Caitlin Clark is the reason they've upgraded travel and the reason they're getting attention, it is very predictable that they're a bit insular and provincial, and they're saying, prove it. You're getting all this publicity. Prove it. We have a real league. We were fine without you, even though truthfully, haven't made any money the w nba hasn't chris broussard is joining us so jamax on one side he doesn't like the flagrant foul and i understand the arguments that listen you know it's the old golden

goose she she's providing all this attention you're going to get a better tv contract but i'm saying the nb a hundred thirty flagrant fouls this year the wnb a last year had exactly half of that in half the games so flagrant fouls are part of the sport men's and women's and I think women's basketball, if you didn't watch the WNBA, it's been a chippy league. It's not as vertical as men's basketball.

You don't jump over other players. It gets very physical. Brew, what side are you on? What do you make of this current controversy that I don't think it's a controversy. It's just new kid on the block. They want to make her prove it. Yeah, I don't think this one should be controversial.

There's been a lot of controversy. with her most notably the last time they played the Chicago Sky. But this time, look, I'm fine with them calling it a flagrant because the contact, obviously, I mean, she smacked her upside the head. All right. And if you see that in the NBA game, it probably is called a flagrant one. Now with everybody worried about concussions, I understand that. But when I look at the letter of their law,

their rulebook that just says if contact is unnecessary, then it's a flagrant. I don't, I mean, that was a basketball play. Like, I watched that from various angles. And Angel Reese, to me, looked like she was trying to block the shot. Like, her eyes were not on Clark once Clark started shooting. They were on the ball. So I thought if she was looking at Clark and she purposely hit her like that, that'd be flagrant.

But I thought she was actually really going for the ball. She did wind up, but she wound up looking for the ball and I think just hit Caitlin. So it could have just been a regular foul. It was a hard foul, but I don't know that it needed to be called a flagrant. But the controversy, I don't think needs to be there. Every time Clark gets filed or foul hard, it doesn't have to be a controversy, right? And that's what we're dealing with right now. For the record, Diana Tarasi got a flagrant last year.

it's not just the villains. I do think Angel Reese has had a very good rookie season. Now, she's a different player than Caitlin Clark, but she's a rebounder and a shot blocker. I think she's leaning into the villain because historically, Rodman, Draymond Green, there's a place in every movie for conflict. I think she's leaning into it. I'm okay with that. Does it feel like it's her style or she's kind of like this is my moment?

I'm going to lean into it. I do think she's leaning into it. There's no question. Like she said it's, you know, the game between LSU and Iowa a couple years ago is what sparked, you know, the huge popularity in college basketball for women and now the WMBA. So she doesn't want to be forgotten. Yeah. She wants to be a part of this. It's not just Caitlin.

Right. It's me and Caitlin. Like I'm magic. She's bird. Sure. Or reverse it if you want. Yeah. But whatever the case, I think that's how she's looking.

looking at it. Look, Caitlin, as you said, Caitlin is the reason that, I mean, you look at Caitlin Clark's games. Her attendance is over 15,000 for all her games, home or away. The other teams average a little over 7,000. So the TV ratings are up. All her games are skyrocketed in the ratings, relatively speaking. It's Caitlin Clark. A little, maybe a little Angel Reese playing the villain role, I think, plays into it. When she said last, I don't know if it was yesterday, after the, she said after the game, you're going to play this 20 times before Monday, right? To me, she was, she's playing into it. And I think it's fine because it could work for in terms of marketing.

Yeah. It does help the league, Colin, even though a lot of commentators want to complain, you're not talking about basketball. You're just talking about Caitlin and race and gender and this and that. It's still good for the league. Yeah. Enjoy it and reap the fruit. I mean, that's what they should do.

No, I think it's great. I mean, I've never talked this much WNBA in my life, and I think it's, it's, it's, it's, you know, and I also said, we have to be honest about this, is that, um, a lot of people never watch the WNBA. They parachute in, and now they're outraged. And I'm like, I don't care if it's politics or sports. If you didn't care about something six months ago, don't tell me it's keeping you awake at night now. And I, and I do think, you know what I mean? Like, it's, give me a break. But I will say this is that we do have examples.

of this. I mean, I don't care if you're a junior senator. I don't care if you're Bryce Harper. A lot of people are saying it's a racial issue, and I'm sure there's a component. I think it's a lot of things converging at the same time. But do you remember Bryce Harper? I mean, Bryce Harper got

into five. I mean, they were throwing at him for three years. People have forgotten that this is sort of the way sports works. Like, a lot of times, I don't remember LeBron's rookie year, but it's kind of the way sports works, doesn't it?

Yeah, totally. Like, LeBron's rookie year, you had Ricky Davis saying it's my team. You know, like, you had Darius Miles talking about the young we go, you know, he's coming in, but it's our team. And LeBron played into it like, hey, yeah, it is their team.

You know, he was smart. That's how he was. But obviously, you go back to Michael Jordan, and I will say allegedly Colin, because Isaiah Thomas is a friend of mine, and he denies this. But we remember, the freeze out in the All-Star game of Michael Jordan. Yes.

When he was a rookie. And this this is what happens when you have a hot shot. Remember with Lanzo Ball. Now, everybody didn't do it, but Patrick Beverly tortured him his first game, picking him up full court. And he said, this is because of his dad. You know, when somebody comes in with a lot of noise and hoopla

and hype, whether it's them or the media or the public, some players are going to go after you and try to you prove you're that good and I'm like you I am fine with it with the WNBA now racially I do think there have been things I think the Chicago Tribune's recent column editorial I think that was racist I think Iowa being invited to the White House when they didn't win the championship was racism but I as a runner-up you know but some of this is not that though the WNBA has had

white American stars you mentioned and Diana Tarazi and obviously Brianna Stewart and Sabrina of UNESCO. Like you can go on and on. And none of them got the attention or captured the public's imagination like Caitlin Clark. It is her style of play that she was shooting Logo 3s, that she's a great passer who has that, you know, that kind of sixth sense that adjacent kid or Magic Johnson had when they could see things. Others couldn't. It's her style of play and she went to a program where she was the star and put up huge numbers. She wouldn't have done that probably at Yukon or somewhere else where they have more talent.

But that's why I think it is. I don't think it's because of race. Well, of course, some people are glad to see, you know, a white player dominating a black sport. But still, mostly I think it's just the way she plays. Yeah. And it's exciting and fun to watch. Yeah, she's got like NBA range. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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came home and were flat. I think they take care of business tonight. And I think they go down as one of the most dominating one-season teams ever. I don't consider them a dynastic team going forward. Maybe they are. But I do think if they win tonight, and they're

a mature team, it's Holiday, Tatum, Brown, Porzingus, they're not kids that are high and low. I know what I'm getting for effort tonight. They'll play well. What if they beat the Mavs, they have flown through the finals and the playoffs? What do we make of them?

Do they, are they... That's a great question. And there's a lot of talk about that now. Are they an all-time great team? You mentioned one-offs, you know, kind of one-year championship. Yeah. I think there are two. There's one for sure, maybe two, that only one championship and are considered like all-time great teams.

The 83-76ers with Moses Malone and Dr. Jay. Yep, yep, yep. And then the 72 Lakers with Wilt, Jerry West, and Gail Goodrich. and they, you know, they won 33 straight games that year. But those two teams had living, living legends. Like at that point, Dr. Jay was a living legend. Yeah. Had won an MVP, three if you count the ABA.

Moses Malone was a three-time MVP, and obviously those Lakers guys were legends. They were toward the latter parts of their careers. This is entirely different. So I don't put this Celtics team with those two teams. I don't think they're an all-time great team, Colin. I know all the numbers love them, the analytics, the way they've run through the playoffs. It's fair to say that.

But I think it's going to be based on what they do going forward. Like most great teams all-time won multiple championships. If they only win one and then they go away and next year it's somebody else and they never win again, I don't see how we can think of them as an all-time great team because they all-time great team because they also don't have that one ultra-elite superstar. Right. Right. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown will be Hall of Famers,

probably Horford and Drew Holiday if they win this series as well. But they are not in like the top 15, top 20, top 25 players of all time. And most of the all-time great teams, including the Sixers and the Lakers that I mentioned earlier, they have players that are ultra, ultra, ultra elite all time. And I don't think this Celtics team does. You and I agree on that, although I do think there are moments in time where I've said this before, and I'm interested in your take on this, is that with the new CBA and the apron, what the Celtics are is what the league is trying to avoid,

which is like seven legitimate players, many of them expensive veterans. they're trying for the league to be more like Oklahoma City, where you draft and develop and you're loyal to your city. They don't want you taking all-star level players from other good teams and adding them to your all-star players. So, you know, like Derek White, eventually, he won't be able to be on this team, right? So he'll be too expensive. So my takeaway is they kind of, because they have a great general manager,

they kind of snuck poor Zingas from a tanking team. They got Derek White from a tanking team. team. They got Drew Holiday from a tanking team. They're what the league doesn't want is that they do feel like they have a competitive advantage and eight guys who can shoot handle the ball and pass, don't they?

Yeah, I mean, look, Joe Missoula and obviously Brad Stevens had a lot to do with it. They built a team for analytics. This is an analytically driven team that essentially shoots three-pointers, shots

in the paint and free throws. I think it was game three. I believe they took like three mid-range shots or something. Like they're analytically built. And you know it's a copycat league, so other teams are going to try to do this. And look, Drew Holiday, we love him now. Remember last year, he did not play well against Miami when Milwaukee was eliminated the first round.

Yeah. He shot poorly 40%, I think below 30% from three. Jimmy Butler had a field day with him. And so at the time, it didn't look like they're getting this star. Derek White, we know his history, you know, hardworking guy, great defender, solid. But, you know, he's kind of flourished in Boston. And Porzingis made a couple of all-star teams, but still was viewed as a guy that's injured all the time, soft, you know. And so they fit these guys, the guys they need for the style they want to play.

have they brought them together. I'll say this, Colin, if we are, we're in an era of parity, right? Sixth champion in six different seasons. If this continues and say for a 15-year stretch, there really aren't many, there's no back-to-back winners, there aren't many multiple winners, maybe that in that situation, we would look back and say, you know what, that Boston team of 2024, when you look at their numbers, they were all-time great. but it'll have to play itself out.

We would have thought Denver, right? We thought Denver might be en route to being an all-time great team last year, and now we're not sure about that. So these guys are young enough where Tatum and Brown, even if there's changes around them, they may be able to get them more championships. And if that's the case, their legend will grow, and so will that of this team.

First things first after us, Brew. It's always great seeing you, my man. Thank you. All right, Colin, thanks. Yeah, good stuff. You know, I'm generally not a fan of parity. I like dynasties because that's why I've grown up in the NBA, but Boston's a good watch, and they're just flying through this thing.

J. Mack, with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, we got our first U.F.L. champion, the Birmingham stallions put on a dominant performance against the San Antonio Obama Sunday, winning in a 25-0-blowout, regular season MVP. Adrian Martinez was also named MVP of the game

after leading his team with three total touchdowns. Third straight championship for the Stallions who won the USFL title in 22 and 23. This is a dynasty. Stallions feel like they're totally dominating, unstoppable. Actually, it does the league well. Yeah. For a startup league, a dynasty's great.

It really is. You know, in football, what's funny is we always think it's the sport without dynasties. Alabama had a 12-year dynasty. Patriots and the Chiefs now have had a 25-year dynasty, and the U.F.L. and New League's got a dynasty. So the bottom line is, if you get

a good coach and the best quarterback in football, whether it's Andy Reed and Mahomes, or it was, you know, Nick Saban and a dominating, you know, defensive front, or here it's Skip Holtz and the best quarterback in the league,

you have a huge advantage. So we've had dynasties, college pro, and now UFL. So we just saw essentially three straight titles in a row. Will we see the Chiefs match that in February? They've had a noisy off-season. Did you see another arrest over the weekend? Henry Reid's got to clean that locker room up.

It's a bit of a mess. Yeah. All right, let's move on to the Celtics. Their fans were unhappy with how Kyrie Irving left Boston a few years ago. After stating, he was going to the Nets, remember? He recently opened up to Fox Sports's Melissa Rowland about why he really

left. He said his grandfather passed away shortly after his announcement to resign with the Celtics, and after feeling lost and hurt that season, he decided he needed to be in Brooklyn closer to family. All right. Not everything works. You know, I'll take his

word for it, I guess. I'm a little torn on this one. Like, it was a terrible look in Boston at the time to say, I'm coming back, I want my jersey hanging in the rafters, and then five minutes later, you're out. Well, young players changed their mind. But he also had a lot of of stuff to deal with. I don't know, should he have said, listen, I've got some family issues.

I want to be closer to family. I'm going to Brooklyn. I mean, I don't know what the political way is to do this. What I have found through the years is there's no way for a star to leave. You'll be mad. Carmelo Anthony gave you like eight months heads up. I don't want to be in Denver. People didn't like it. Dwight Howard did the same thing. I don't want to be here. I love you. People didn't like him. Yeah. LeBron like held a press conference. gave to the boys and girls club. They're burning his jersey. In the NBA, what is the way Kyrie Irving, you know, kept it to himself?

There is no way for the best player on your team in the NBA to leave. And everybody's like, best wish. Now, LeBron left Cleveland the second time, but that's because people sort of rolled their eyes at how Cleveland acted. The first time, he won a title. He was right. Then he came back, won in Cleveland. And the second time LeBron left, everybody is like, you know, the standards for the Cavaliers are, Can we have one title?

Yeah, we got it. And so that was different. But, I mean, the first time, it was, you know, pretty juvenile and petty. But remember AD leaving the Pelicans? That was really gross for like a month. It was bad. And people knew for a year he was going to leave. He won it out.

Like, everybody knew about there was, so there's no way for stars to leave. One slight difference. I think every guy you just named had been drafted by that team. Yeah. He's our savior. Kyrie was forced to trade out of Cleveland, traded to Boston. And they're like, oh, we've got Kyrie. We kind of stole him from the calves.

Well, they gave, you know, they gave up stuff, right? Some stuff, Isaiah Thomas. Fans don't like stars to leave. You know, they like it on their terms, and athletes want it in their terms. Kevin Durant leaving OKC was ugly. I endorsed that. I will still defend Katie even though he hates me. But, I mean, find me the star, you know, leaving a team.

LeBron in Cleveland, but that's the second time. It's different sensibility. Fans don't like it. What happened? Peyton Manning, he had the neckish. No, but, I mean, I mean, And also, Andrew Luck was the number one pick. And that was a mutual agreement between Peyton and Ursay.

Tom Brady and leaving New England. But again, Tom had been there 20 years and gotten him a million trophies. Tom was getting old. Most people in New England, if he asked him privately, didn't think he was going to go win a Super Bowl in Tampa. And also, he went to a different conference. He wasn't a threat. And you do get diminishing returns. I mean, what more could Brady do?

We want a seventh one. So, I mean, like, Brady was different. He was family, and he just said, hey, I love all of you. The coach and I don't get along. You know, I'm moving on. I think everybody was like, thank you for everything you gave us. Final story is Brony James. The NBA draft is next week, Colin.

And a lot of people are hoping slash wanting him to end up with the Lakers. He's projected as a late second round pick. Lakers have the 50th pick in the draft. However, Pacer's head coach, Rick Carlisle, does not think. Brani will be available then. When asked if Indiana was looking at a Brony Carlisle predicted he would be long gone before the Pacers

draft at 49 and 50. Now, I'm just saying somebody is going to screw the Lakers here and LeBron, just to mess with him. Did you see LeBron was in Dallas? Now they, Dallas recently? Well, I did not see that. And Dallas is apparently interested in Brony. I don't know.

I don't want to start anything, but... He's just trying to get leverage. He's just... I don't know. He's not going to Dallas. Dallas is a beautiful place to live. No state tax. Have you been there? Dallas? Yeah.

Yeah, I've been to Dallas. I've never been there. Am I missing out? What kind of cocoon do you live in? What do you haven't been to Dallas? I've been to Houston for the Super Bowl when Fox went in. I like Dallas. I grew up on the East Coast.

I didn't have any invites to Dallas. Sometimes you just invite yourself to a good time. Just flight like I did with Nashville? I'm trying to get you to go to Nashville with Nashville. Nashville. You want to be my wingman? No, I'm busy. I figured that.

Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News. There's this big part of America. It's called the Midwest. That instead of flying over, you could just land a plane, get out, and go have a cocktail and meet some friends. It's a lot of nice places.

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This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar something here?

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on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. We'll have you back in. Nick Wright, Chris Brousard, Kevin Wilde's after the show. We've been talking about a lot today. Aaron Rogers did not go to the mandatory mini-camp, and Robert Sala called an unexcused absence when he went to the podium. Albert Breer earlier today, if using that phrasing by Robert Sala, the young coach for the Jets on the hot seat, was that a mistake?

No, because I think that they felt like internally it would be opening Pandora's box if they did excuse it, they could have 20 guys next year coming to them and asking for mandatory minicamp or something else mandatory off if they allowed this. and I think the important thing is the way it was handled internally. They went to Aaron and sat down and talked to him about this and talked through the whole thing. And I'm not saying Aaron loves the idea of being fined, but he did understand why it was an unexcused absence, you know, with the line there being one team, one set of rules.

And, you know, here's the other part of it, Colin. Like I think the spring is more for guys who are year two, year three, three, year, four, year five. And they really felt like through the 10 OTA practices, they were able to get enough out of it, where they could make the minicamp something that could be a little bit more geared towards some of those younger guys.

Aaron got the work that he needed to get in. We could argue about the handling of it, of course. Like I personally would have loved to have seen Aaron Rogers come out and explain it himself, so his coaches or his teammates wouldn't have to. but I don't think this is going to be a big deal when the Jets report in the summer. I think it's a big deal because nothing's happening

in the NFL right now in the middle of June. So Trevor Lawrence signed an extension. I do wonder, because that city, it feels like Ken Griffey with the Mariners. Like he was basically going to get Safeco built. He saved the team from leaving again. And I feel like Trevor Lawrence, in his franchise, if they were in London in four years,

I wouldn't be shocked. I kind of feel his circumstances are different. than Tua and Dack. They just are. He was a number one pick. He's been viewed as sort of generational, maybe disappointing. But do you think the Trevor Lawrence contract changes the market?

No, because I think all these guys were going to get paid in this range, like over 50, not too much over 50. I'd ask you, Colin, would you rather have Trevor or Tua? Would you rather have Trevor or Dach? Would you rather have Trevor or Jordan Love? And I think for most NFL teams, at least, the answer would be they'd rather have Trevor than those three guys. So paying him before those three guys got paid makes perfect sense,

because if any of those guys got to a certain point, you were going to have to leapfrog them. And ultimately, I think this is about paying him for where you think he's going to be, not where he is right now. Is he the type of generational guy that we all thought he might be, you know, back in 2019 and 2020? Maybe not, you know, because, you know, I think he was seen, you know, in NFL circles as being on that lock.

Elway Manning type of tier as a prospect but he's been a really good player and his circumstances have been really crappy. Came into the league, the Urban Meyer year was what it was, a complete disaster. Comes back in year two, had a great second year in the league, right? And Leeds one of the greatest playoff

comebacks in NFL history and then had a little bit of a bumpy third year. And so I think if you look at a kid who's sort of ridden all of that out, there are a lot of guys who I think would be in a worse spot that he's in. And I think they believe that if they can stabilize things around him, they're going to get a much better player in year five, year, six,

year seven. Here's the other thing. If Doug Peterson doesn't wind up being the guy in Jacksonville, the next guy's not going to throw Trevor Lawrence out. The next guy's going to be telling ownership, I can make it work. I can enhance Trevor Lawrence, which is another reason to take care of him now. I don't think Brandon I use going to be a nineer at the trade deadline. I think this offense runs through Shanahan's brain and Christian McCaffrey's feet, legs.

I think Ayyuk is replaceable. They drafted two receivers. They re-signed Jennings. And I think he's a really good player that a team like New England could use, you know, or maybe a Carolina. What is your take on the stories today that it's, they're not close, the Niners in Ayuk, who's a really a remarkable player? I think there are two things like that I would say to give you some optimism that he could still be there. Number one is that they did get Christian McCaffrey done aggressively. And I think they had to do McCaffrey before they did IUC because if you pay IUK $29, $31 million a year,

now the price of McAfree might go up. So you had to take care of McCaffrey first. The second thing is, you know, our mutual friend, Mike Silver, reported that they were $26 million. That's not that far off. And a lot of times these things get ugliest towards the end. And the Debo thing was not clean until it was at the very end. and I would tell you this and I do feel strongly about this part of it

I think if you fed John Lynch, Kyle Shanahan Truce serum and asked them who would you rather have in the roster Devo Samuel or Brandon IEuk going forward I think they would answer IEUK they love Debo, Debo can do a lot of different things for them but Debo

is like a supercharged gadget player Ayuk is more of a typical number one receiver who can beat man coverage and you can build an offense around and so do I think they're going to go to Justin Jefferson numbers to get IUC signed, no. And if IUke draws a line in the sand there and says, I'm not going to take less than that, then, you know,

maybe he has traded. But, you know, if there is some level of compromise, I still think the Niners would like to get something done with IUC, and I don't think the door is closed on it. So now you have what is called sort of the, you know, it's the time off between the official opening of camps, which you get into the Hall of Fame game. so it's a lot of time for, you know, you cross your fingers if you're a fan for your players to stay out of trouble, as J. Mack mentioned earlier.

And Kansas City Chiefs have had a noisy offseason with young players, you know, getting in trouble. But I'll say this again about the New York Jets. If I was Aaron Rogers, I would sort of view it. I said this at the very, very top of this hour. I'm in a division with Tua, a brilliant offensive coach, Josh Allen, Joe Burroughs back, C.J. Stroud is hit. I just see all these offensive coaches and offensive special players and star quarterbacks. I'd probably go to minicamp. It's not the end of the world.

I've been told Aaron Rogers was on the other beyond Europe, on the other side of the world, an event that nobody will clarify what it is. You know, organizations and corporations don't like precedents. And so if Aaron Rogers does this, you know, that's why they went out and said it's unexcused because they don't want this to be a precedent where a veteran player can say, I don't want to show up. But if I had new offensive linemen, I only played four snaps, my offensive coordinator is suboptimal, my head coach is on the hot seat, my GM's on the hot seat. I'd have shown up just to support my guys. But I tend to think Aaron sort of as the Green Bay Packers discovered at the end of his career, he's going to do what he wants to do.

And so you cross your fingers. you don't think it matters. But the good news for Aaron Rogers and the Jets, the early schedule really plays into some odd starting times, short weeks, night games, but the Jets will be favored in almost all their early games except going on the road in the opener against San Francisco. And they've had a noisy off season because of Brandon Ayuk.

So, J. Mack is for our audience that doesn't know, and it's very few people that don't know this. He is a big Jets fan. As America's honesty broker, I play no favorites, but you're a Jets fan, but even you were bothered a little by the errand shenan. It's annoying. It's just another brush fire that this franchise does not need. Can we go through a month or two without noise, as you like to say? And that just doesn't seem to be the case. Yeah. The Jets who have the longest playoff drought in, I think it's professional sports.

Not just the NFL. 12 years or 13. Something like that. Yeah. I lost count it so damn long ago. Yeah. Well, I would say unlike most jet fans, you take. tend to be, not that you're willing to bail, but you tend to be closer to a moderate, whereas you will acknowledge bad news. I think a lot of Jets fans are saying it's no big deal, but I do think if you have a GM and a coach on the hot seat, a new O-Line, new receivers, in a really talented division with Josh Down and the Dolphins players, I think it's something.

It's definitely not nothing. Again, if you were, let's say Patrick Mahomes did it. Okay, I got Andy Reed. I got Travis Kelly. Kelsey were the two-time back-to-back Super Bowl champion, three-time champion. That's a different sense of it. People say, well, what about if Mahomes missed it? Mahomes got a trophy room. Mahomes has Andy Reid. You have Robert Sala, who I'd argue is on the wrong side of the ball in 2024 in the NFL,

and he is absolutely on the hot seat. And did you mention Rogers is coming off in Achilles? I mean, like kind of a big injury at his age? Four snaps. Again, there's quarterbacks who could have missed that Josh Allen I'd be like, okay. Lamar Jackson's got some young teammates, but they were the number one seed last year.

I'd be okay. Well, Josh Allen has a new wide receiver room. Remember, I mean, lost digs. It's like, I don't know that you can just skip it. Just be a leader. Show up. That's half the battle, isn't it? I know.

It doesn't seem like, you know, the end at pro sports asked you to play about six to seven months. There's a lot of weeks off you can take. It's going to be fine. When they're six and one, first place, we'll just, we'll be doing that. Then there's six and one. Yeah, in October.

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