The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Greg Jennings Joins Colin

Episode Date: December 30, 2022

In this hour of The Herd, FOX Sports NFL analyst and Super Bowl champion Greg Jennings previews the Vikings-Packers game for Colin, the mishandling of quarterback Derek Carr in Las Vegas and players coming to Denver quarterback Russell Wilson's defense. Finally, news anchor Jason McIntyre shares some gridiron predictions in "Tomorrow's Headlines Today."See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the Hurt at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHart Radio app by searching Hurd. We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour three. We're live in Los Angeles, and it's the hurt, wherever you may be. However you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I've been on enough planes and airports, and over the last couple seven, eight days, I'm done with it. Want to be home on my couch, watching football, having hamburgers. Diet Coke, something, just relaxing, sleeping. You go hamburger over pizza, huh? Absolutely. I love pizza during football. I get it. I get it. Totally get it. So, who do you, by the way, Michigan, oh, you're going to give the predictions later.

We're doing NFL later. I already bet Michigan. I think they handle TCU. 2710, 2713. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Georgia, Ohio State's a little trickier. I think they're going to score some points. It feels like an in-game bet.

You know, if Ohio State scores first, then you take Georgia, of course, at a lower number. Right. I just, I don't see Georgia losing this game. I don't either. Right now, they're, you know, I was thinking about this driving in. you can't create perfect parody in life. You know, every country's got, even socialist countries have poor and wealthier. You can't create perfect harmony or parody in sport.

NFL's trying, but it's the same bad franchises looking for quarterbacks every year, right? Yes. And I was thinking about this. What we do know is that the best SEC team usually is the first or second best team in the country. It could be Bama. it could be LSU with Burrow, it could be Georgia. I think Brian Kelly will get LSU back. But generally in college football in the last 15 to 20 years,

the best Southern team. And sometimes the conference is weaker. Like this year, the Pac-12 is the best that's been in years, but they don't have a top two or three team. But the best team in college football is generally whoever's dominating over a four or five-year cycle, Southern recruiting. And right now Georgia is.

Clemson was in there for a minute, right? They were in there for a minute. Ohio State's O is viable. Oklahoma's been close with Lincoln Riley. So I tend to lean toward what I've seen, which is my eyes tell me Georgia's the fastest football team with the most NFL

bodies. And historically, these playoff games, the first playoff game, they've been blowouts. And not like, you can't watch the fourth quarter. It's not even close. Yeah. Greg Jennings are the Packers in 15 minutes. So the Cowboys coming off an emotional win over the Philadelphia Eagles essentially beat the Titan Scout team last night,

but I'm still not convinced they're buttoned up enough to win in the playoffs despite their recent success. The NFL is three seasons, pre- Thanksgiving, post- Thanksgiving, and playoff. They all feel different in Dallas's winning. In fact, their last two losses have come against outstanding quarterbacks, Aaron Rogers at Lambeau, and Trevor Lawrence at home in Jacksonville. Both were in overtime, so there is reason for optimism around Dallas. The other good news, if you're a cowboy fan off the win, is even the good teams in the NFC, there's questions about them. The Giants could be a playoff team.

It's not a very good roster. Tampa Bay, the offense is anemic. San Francisco on a third quarterback. Minnesota, Kirk Cousins, and do you trust that defense? Philadelphia. Jalen Hertz is hurt. Nick Sariani's never won a playoff game. So there's a lot of reason for optimism.

Now, if the Cowboys are a wild card team, they'd have to win three straight road games to get to the Super Bowl. I do not think they're buttoned up to do that. But if Philadelphia stumbles against the Saints this week and they have a chance to win the division, now it gets very, very interesting. When Dallas gets into trouble and you saw it last night, the run game's not working. And they have to ask Dak Prescott to throw 40 times a game. And even with a win last night, DAC is now 7 and 15 in his career when he throws it 40 or more times.

Last night, he got a W and the record is still abysmal. So Tony Pollard was hurt. Dak now has had 10 picks since Thanksgiving. It's a bit of a mess. So here's the good news, though. There is a way for the Cowboys to win, and we've watched it multiple times this season. Strong run game, and DAC is an excellent complementary piece.

That's the way to win. And here's where it gets really interesting for the Cowboys, and I'm seen as a Cowboy cynic, not a hater, but a cynic. Eight of the top 10 run defenses in the National Football League are in the AFC. Dallas won't face them. Outside of the Niners, great run defense. the NFC teams that could be in their way, Minnesota, giants, commanders, believe it or not, Eagles, Minnesota, Carolina, Tampa are all middle of the pack run defenses.

So we know there's a way for the Cowboys to win. DAC is a complimentary piece and the run game is rolling. Now we have a route for the Cowboys to win. They face anybody but San Francisco in the playoffs. So that's where you get your optimism. But if you look at the box score, last night is classic DAC with an 85 passer rating,

two picks they ask him to throw 41 times. It's just not who he is. So stay out of that space. Here was DAC after. A win to win and we're going to take it and we're going to get better from the mistakes and we're going to make sure that we're improving. But a road win short week,

you've got to take them all. And the style points and all that, that's for y'all who think games are one on paper. Okay, so the other story, it is amazing. Stuff gets going on the internet and nobody pushes back and then all of a sudden you wake up and Derek Carr's terrible. It's like timeout, time out, time out. I've always thought my job is to just add some context. Take the emotion out of it. I don't care who wins and loses these games.

I want them to be, it's like a produce. I own the store. I'm looking for good fresh material. So Derek Carr is getting benched by the Raiders for the last two games. Why is he getting benched? Well, my feeling is they want him healthy so they can trade him. So Derek Carr and his contract has $40 million guaranteed money. Their injury guarantees.

So if he gets hurt, one of the NFL's poorest owners, Mark Davis would have to write him $40 million check. They don't want to do that. They want to move off Derek Carr. I think it's a mistake. So the Raiders want him healthy. They want to trade Derek Carr and they want him healthy. And there is no big dead cap hit if they moved him.

We've mentioned that multiple times this year. He is one of the rare good quarterbacks in this league. You can move now and not be a big dead cap hit. I wouldn't move him. I don't think this is a great college quarterback class. I just wouldn't. But I'll say this just to defend Derek Carr again. He's 31 years old.

He's already at 35,000 yards. That's with multiple coaching changes, constant chaos, often bad offensive line. He's at 35,000 yards. If he plays just three more seasons, and my guess he'll play double that, he'll play at least six because he's never really been hurt consistently. He's always ready to play. He's a tough kid. If he plays just three more years, that's it. He's 31.

He will blow past 45,000 yards passing because he's at 35,000 now and he averages 4,000 a year. so he'll blow past 45,000 yards passing. 16 quarterbacks in league history have done that. Many are Hall of Famers and three that aren't Breeze, Aaron Rogers, and Brady will be. And the guys that have done it who didn't make the hall, Philip Rivers and Carson Palmer, were damn good. Derek Carr's a good quarterback. I say this all the time.

I'm always impressed with a kid that came from a young boy or young girl that came from a tough background and made something of themselves. It's awesome if you're a billionaire, but if you started as a trust fund kid, you don't touch my heart. Derek Carr had to go to Fresno State. Everybody doubted Derek Carr, didn't have the big arm. Goes to the Raiders, six different coaches. Last year was a circus.

Yeah, he throws probably more interceptions that you'd like. But this morning I went out and I looked at it. I took out his rookie year because all these quarterback struggle as rookies. Trevor Lawrence is great now. He was awful last year. I mean, John Elway first year, Peyton Manning first year, Eli Manning first year, take out his rookie year and subtract this year because he's not going to play a full season.

And his numbers are astounding, 95 passer rating, two and a half touchdown interception ratio, over 4,000 yards, 66% completion percentage. And this team right now, outside of left tackle, isn't a very good offensive line. So teams like the Jets, the commanders in the box, if Brady retires, they just need a quarterback. Jets are not rebuilding. Jets roster's fine. They need a quarterback.

That's a playoff team with a quarterback. They may make the playoffs with their quarterback situation now. The commanders with that roster are a playoff team easily with Derek Carr. Tampa Bay, if Brady left somewhere else, Tampa Bay with Derek Carr in that division, that's a playoff team. If he stays healthy for six, seven more years, that would be. be my guess, he's going to blow past 50,000 yards passing. That is like an elite, elite, elite club. So Derek Carr's good. Oh, yeah, let me throw this in, adding context to it. Now, I love Patrick Mahomes,

but he inherited Andy Reed and Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey and Brett Veets the GM and the Hunt family. Okay, so, and we all know Mahomes is great, right? And he's better than Derek Carr. But since Derek Carr entered the league. Do you know what the Raiders defense has been? 32nd. Six different head coaches. Can we add context? Stuff gets on the internet.

Everybody believes in it. Nobody just goes to Google and looks it up. Yeah, last year, as he carried a wobbly franchise with an interim special team's head coach to the playoffs in the Superior AFC, he threw some picks. Yeah, guess what? It's hard having to pull an entire franchise to the playoffs in the AFC out of the AFC West.

Devante Adams, if Derek Carr is traded and I imagine he will be, talked about the guy he played college football with at Fresno State. Obviously, I don't think anybody was excited about it in here. you know, him being one of my really good friends, you know, the reason why I came here in the first place. I mean, I wouldn't be here right now if he wasn't here. So I think everybody knows how I feel about them. And, you know, with that said, there's a process of how things go. And I'm not going to sit here and go on and on.

But obviously, obviously, I support my guy. The best part about the inner web is that you see some very, very clever, smart, funny people. The worst part is stuff goes down. downhill like an avalanche and nobody actually does any checking. Just Google his career stats. And remember he's on his sixth coach. He was like third or fourth GM. I mean, this year he didn't have Hunter Renfro or Darren Waller most of the year.

He did have Devonté Adams. But, I mean, go look at the first round picks that Mayock and Gruden whiffed on. This guy's playing Mahomes twice a year. Now it's Herbert twice a year. Thank God Russell Wilson is struggling. Derek Carr would make the Jets, the commanders, the Bucks, minimum. Playoff teams next year. He's really good.

He's just like a lot of young people, had to overcome a lot. All right, J-Mex, NFL picks are around the corner. Greg Jennings, Packers, Vikings. Can't wait to watch that one. Live in Los Angeles is the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.

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I think you got to take the points with the Saints. Yeah, but I don't. You got a weeks worth of tape on Gardner Minshue with that offense and no lane Johnson? Let me ask you this. So Dennis Allen was the coach of the Saints, or the coach of the Raiders, and it was man overboard.

He takes over for Sean Payton immediately. Man overboard. In a bad division. Do you think they would go back? I don't know the answer. re-recruit Sean Payton? Well, would he, the better question is, would he want to go back? Not if they don't have a quarterback.

Yeah. I mean, so do you make a move? What about the Saints and Derek Carr? With that defense? Speaking of quarterback, James Winston, is he in place somewhere next year? Hasn't that ship sailed? I'm not a huge fan, but he looked decent last year in limited time. I thought the comment on our show today that was really interesting,

Greg CoSell on Mike White, he said the film says he should be given a chance to be a starter in this league. Size, arm, trust. I thought that was a really interesting comment. The film, because that's why we bring Greg Kosell on. What's the film say? I'm just watching stuff as a consumer, right?

He's like, the film said, I told you, I knew Zach Wilson was in trouble when they benched him and I thought that's a bad move. And then I watched the following Sunday, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm wrong. Like Mike White's much better than Zach Wilson as an NFL quarterback. He's a bigger, more accurate. size accuracy. I know we got quarterbacks that are small running around,

but six four, six five guys who are accurate, that's the history of the league. So Mike White did it in the rain against the bears, right? That was pretty impressive, but it was against the bears. Then he came back against the Vikings, put up like, I think they had 400 yards of total offense. No, it was pretty good. And then he kept them in the game against the bills

and took repeated, nasty hits. He's a tough guy. Greg Jennings is a tough guy. Fox Sports analyst, Decades, Super Bowls, Pro Bowls, first things first today. So it's interesting. I could be a cynic on the Packers and say they've beaten the bears, the Rams, and they were getting pushed around to the dolphins before two ahead, reportedly a concussion.

I don't necessarily, I like Minnesota this weekend. I think they've proven they're a very good team and they're a very good team in close games. And Kirk Cousins, nobody likes him, but he keeps winning a bunch of games. What do you expect from Green Bay? If Christian Watson doesn't play, Greg, boy, there's not a lot of... There we go. To you, that's the key? We go.

That's the key. That's the key. If Christian Watson plays, I actually think that the Green Bay Packers will win this game because of what he's provided and what they're doing right now and the implications that this game provides for them and the chances that it give them. I don't think that they win out, but I think that this is a game that they can win. Just because of the way the Vikings have been playing, winning close games, going to Lambeau with the team that is a defense that's playing a little bit better.

Offensively, you're starting to find guys who can beat impact players, none more important than Christian Watson. But if he's not available, I just don't see how the Green Bay Packers can pull this one out. Yeah. Well, when you look at like Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins, you know, you live in Minneapolis. He gets so much heat. But Greg Cosell was on earlier saying, you know,

when the books closed on Kirk Cousins, you're going to look at a really good quarterback in this league. How do the people in Minnesota, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the talk radio, because the national narrative is on Kirk Cousins, limited, don't trust him. But in Minnesota, how do they treat him? How is he viewed? Oh, he's loved in Minnesota, but also you got to think about this league and what we see going on across the league, these young quarterbacks that just look the part and play the part. and they just have a little bit more splash than what Kirk Cousins has. And so obviously there's always comparison of, well, he's not Joe Burrow or he's not Justin Herbert or he's not Patrick Mahomes or he's not Aaron.

All these different names. But what he is is consistent. Like he's just consistently getting it done week in and week out. I said this at the beginning of the season that he was my Dark Horse MVP, not knowing that Justin Jefferson was going to be like legitimately the NBA. MVP of this team, which then kind of in turn naturally allows Kurt Cousins to kind of be or share a piece of that MVP accolades. So they just find a way to make it work. And the way they find a way to make it work with Kirk is to make sure that he's getting

the ball to 1-8. Yeah. Justin Jefferson, just drop back and throw it to that guy and he'll make you right. Whenever you need them to make you right, he'll make it right. You know, I had Nick Wright on. you're going to be on with Nick today on First Things First after our show. And I said, you know, this concussion discussion is more nuanced than people think. You can, like a prime example for Tua.

Okay, so Tua has struggled in big games, and now he's not available. And they've already tried to move off him twice. So I'm thinking Tua is thinking to himself, I want to get out there. This is my career. This organization's already tried to move off me. And they're going to keep him out this week. he's been ruled out, that's appropriate. But sometimes we forget how hard a player fights to get on the field. You guys get one or two cracks at this, and if an organization passes on you at

quarterback, you're not getting under shot. And where are you with Tua and playing? I don't want him to play this week. Could I make an argument even if they go to the playoffs, Greg? You just don't let him play the rest of the year. As a former pro athlete, where are you on this? I think he shouldn't play. I don't believe he should play at all. the rest of the year, even if they make the playoffs, which I do believe that they will make the playoffs. I just don't think he understands in this moment. He's young. He hasn't proven enough, per se. And you just mentioned it. He hasn't been able to win in the big moments. There's no bigger moment than right now. Getting your team in, you've dropped four or five consecutive games.

You win and you can get yourself in. This is where quarterbacks make their money. And Tua Tunga Vialoa has found ways to where, and again, I'm not saying because of his health, but it's been because of his injuries where we haven't been able to see him in some of the most important moments, or he has not performed in some of the most important moments in his young career. But understanding what concussions can do, you have to think beyond the game of football. And when you're young, you don't think about that. you think about, man, this team can move on from me. I haven't been in a situation.

Everybody doubts me. I need to get back out there. I feel fine. And so you put yourself, because you're a competitor, you put yourself back out there on the field or you want to push to get back out there on the field. And a lot of the times, it's probably not for the better. So you had a stable career, like Green Bay and Minnesota are stable franchises. You briefly played in Miami, which was a little bit of a circus. And so I've always, Right. They disappear into the... I wish there wasn't YouTube and nobody would know about it. But I defend players and quarterbacks who have to overcome stuff.

And I've always defended Derek Carr because this is a sixth coach. It's been a circus. The division's tough. He goes up against Mahalms twice a year. Now Herbert. And you did have one year in Miami. And I guess maybe it's... I always compare it to like dysfunctional families.

when you're in an organization, when you went to Miami, did it affect you for the first time in your career, being around chaos even at practice? Yeah, Colin, I'm sitting here at this desk. I retired. Like, I mean, when we listen to LeBron James talk about as long as my mind, I can keep my mind engaged and I physically, I'm going to put myself through whatever I need to. If my mind stays engaged and intact. When you're losing, when you're in a situation where it's chaotic and there's no successful ending in sight, like you don't see the vision, the plan, the strategy of how we're going to execute getting ourselves better or improving this roster. Like, you start to question, should I keep doing this?

Should I keep putting myself through this? That's what players go through. Like Derek Carr, like he's been dealt a tough hand. But one thing about the National Football League, they have never cared about the hand that you are dealt. They are only, they only care about what you can provide, regardless of the hand you're dealt. Like that's why I go to bat for players who hold out,

who are trying to get their money, who are thinking of themselves, because there has not been one time that I can think of, You could probably think of where an organization thinks of the player over the organization and how they can improve or how they can hold on to a player just because he's been a great guy. It doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. Yeah.

All right. Finally, I like Jerry Judy coming out and defending Russell Wilson. Now, I do think battle line, running backs got hurt, coach is overwhelmed, is a big chunk of it. How much do you put on Russell's washed? Do you believe that? This year? He's definitely been washed. He's definitely been washed this year.

I think, and I know there's been talk about Sean Payton, that's who for me, when I look at Russell Wilson, if there is a coach that he would listen to, that he would lean into, that would have his ear from jump, a mastermind offensively. He's dealt with the shorter quarterbacks. in Drew Breeze. We saw what he was able to do and accomplish with Drew Breeze. Like Russell Wilson just needs a reset, a confidence reset.

He looks like he lacks belief in his own ability. He talks it, but it doesn't look like he believes what is coming out of his mouth. And yes, I love the fact that Jerry Judy and others are standing up to support Russell Wilson. But when we turn on the tape and we see them

play on Sunday and Russell Wilson is not performing and we see the antics or the body language, if you will of those guys who are standing wide open right in front of Russell Wilson and he's not stepping into those throws and just making the simple look easy, then I'm sorry, man, it is what it is. Russell Wilson has struggled with the basics of fundamental football at the quarterback position. It's looked different. It is different. And I think Sean Payton or some coach that has a history of winning with quarterbacks can change that and help him in

fix what we've seen this year and make him be the Russell Wilson or turn him hopefully into the Russell Wilson that we've seen over the last few years in Seattle. All right, Greg Jennings on after us. First things first, absolute pleasure. I like the Vikings to keep it close and beat Green Bay, but if Christian Watson plays, it's anybody's guess. It's good seeing you again. Thanks for everything and you have a beautiful family, health and happiness to all of them.

Thanks, man. Absolutely. Happy New Year to you guys. All right, one of the really good guys, Greg Jennings. J-Max with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

So I'm hyping Jet Seattle as the game of the Sunday slate, but the game of the weekend, obviously. Okay, okay. Is Bill's Bengals on Monday night football. Well, whenever you get two of the three best quarterbacks in the league together, that's pretty special. Yeah. So a lot on the line here for the Bills, home field advantage. We know they haven't had it the last two years. and lost to Casey in both those games.

But it could be one for the Bengals. Joe Burrow doesn't quite see it that way. I mean, we've beaten everybody. We know we can play against everybody. We've done in the biggest of moments. So like I said, we're treating every game the same. We've played everybody the last two years. We haven't played the bills yet.

So that'll be a fun challenge. But, you know, they're good on defense. We've got a lot of veteran guys that know how to play within their scheme. They play hard, they play fast, they play schematically sound. So it'll be a fun challenge. Yeah, they don't give away a lot of freebies. Defensive coach, they have drafted really good defensive players and developed them. It's like Pittsburgh.

It's not a coincidence that Pittsburgh draft and develops defense pretty well with a defensive coach. My concern with Buffalo, Zach Taylor, in two years, has fixed the O line. Buffalo's on year five can't fix theirs. What's, is there a coincidence that the offensive? line coach. Andy Reed rebuilt his O-line in one year. Zach Taylor fixed his in two. I mean, okay, yet Pittsburgh can't figure theirs out. Oh, geez.

Buffalo can't figure theirs out. Chicago's is terrible. All defensive head coaches. I'm not saying, I'm just saying it feels like more than a coincidence. Remember the Bengals bought Lyle Collins in free agency. He's now hurt. We'll not play in this one. That could be a big one. Who do you think needs this game more bills who really need home field advantage or the Bengals who... I think the Bengals proved last year they can win anywhere anytime.

Their efficiency is fantastic. I think Buffalo, and I think Cincinnati has an absolute belief in big games. And when they went down to the final play in the Super Bowl, I think Buffalo, they got a little outer scoreboard here. They feel big, but they've lost some close ones. They don't have anything to show for two, three years of some real dominant football. I think Buffalo needs doing it. I think Cincinnati will.

I would agree. If the Bengals do lose this, though, and the Ravens win. Bengals now go to a wild card spot as opposed to winning the division and hosting a playoff game in the first round. It could be dicey. Next up, New York Giants, we haven't really talked about this team. They're a tough watch for me, Colin. They can lock up a playoff berth this weekend, need one more win and in.

They play the Colts. And, Colin, Eagles are after that. We don't know what's going to be the situation with the Eagles. If they win out, they obviously win the number one seed. Colin, Giants haven't been to the playoffs since 2016. I'm curious. Did you look at this game as something you would pick? Daniel Jones laying nearly a touchdown at home.

Well, the Giants, I don't like their roster outside of their D-line. Sequin Barkley and their D-line. I think the Jets aren't a rebuild. The Giants are a rebuild. I have a hard time betting games I don't want to watch. This is going to be such a slog and so boring. Nobody's touching the Colts here, right? Nick Foles was so bad an abomination on Monday Night Football.

Nobody's betting them. Who's your NFL coach of the year? Dayball. I think it's got to be Siriani if they get the number one seat. What about Doug Peterson? They're not in the playoffs yet, but yeah, I would say he's in the mix.

I think Brian Daibald's top three. And nobody thinks that... What does that tell you about the quarterback situation? Brian Daibble is in everybody's top three, and none of us think... Nobody thinks they're a good team. That tells you what Brian Daible is overcoming. And that tells you what he can do with a quarterback next year.

There are perhaps? I don't... I think the... Amara family is they've had so much turmoil and movement. I think they're going to stay. I really think that. Stay with Daniel Jones? Oh, goodness gracious. You think Daible wants that?

I think he knows this team is so limited with him. I mean, he's a turnover machine. I'm amazed at how, I mean, New York sports fans are super smart. I mean, baseball, football, hockey. I mean, they know their stuff. I'm amazed by how many defend Daniel Jones. I'm watching the same games. I don't see it.

But Giant fans, and maybe it's because the Giants fans have a very proud history. You know, it's like Michigan football or Duke basketball, Kentucky basketball. So when you've got a great history, you're very proud of it, right? Like the Jets don't, so they'll fire anybody anytime don't care. This is true. The Giants tend to go back to we were patient with Coughlin. We were patient with Eli, and it paid off. So the Giants, when you get these formidable organizations in the NFL or NBA that have

won a lot. They go back to what won. And, you know, the Giants pace, when the Jets were changing things every 15 minutes, you know, the Giants were like, stay with Eli and stay with Coughlin. And it provided Super Bowls. Think of the Super Bowl quarterbacks the Giants have had. Phil Sittler. Haustettler and Eli Manning. Well, Eli's... Listen, those are good quarterbacks, but none of them were, none of them were ever like the best quarterback in the league or even in that class. No, no, no, no. So they do it with the blue collar defense, run the football,

quarterback who does just enough. Final story. college football quickly. I don't know if you watched much of this last night. Quinn Ewers. I did. Michael Panix. Texas made a nice comeback. Look at that.

Something happened with Ewers last night. I wonder. I mean, receivers had the drops, obviously. Washington looked good. I love those helmets, by the way. Washington is exceptionally coached. That's the guy from Fresno State. Kalin DeBores.

They have NFL receivers and an NFL quarterback. Not a lot of NFL. Their running backs aren't good. They're tight ends. They're defense. but in this sport now, if you have a really good offensive coach, an NFL quarterback, and NFL receivers, and Washington does, you're dangerous. So Texas finishes 8 and 5.

Sark, Quinn, you were the Ohio State kid. Now you got the Arch Manning stuff. I know you like Sark. You got a soft spot for them, but I didn't think they looked buttoned up last night. They were getting blown out. It was 2710, I believe. I thought the knock on Sark and it's totally fair is they don't look detail-oriented. They look talented.

Washington looked Washington looked limited but buttoned up and they won the game I mean this I watched that game and Texas has a lot of dudes but yours isn't getting better

can't throw a deep ball bad to go back to your identity talk earlier like Texas has a lot of dudes I don't know what they are I don't know what Texas football has been for the last like five years totally fair where to go Huskies J-Mac with the news

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It's the final 10 minutes of the show before he came to our show on Hurtline News, We created the former newspaper guy, Jason McIntyre, the gambling analyst for FS1 in Fox Sports. He gives us his predictions, his headlines for Monday morning. So you're ready to go? Indeed I am. Week 17. Let's start here. Tomorrow's headlines today.

Brady in the bucks, Sam Darnold, and the Panthers. What say you? Big one here. Division on the line. I know. The headline will be. Ahoy me, Brady. Tom Steers.

into the playoffs. Tom Brady gets the job done. Colin, this is a fishy line. Last time these two teams played, Tampa was favored by 13 points on the road and lost outright. It was a bad loss. It was against PJ Walker. Now they're at home and only three-point favorite. Something wacky's going on here. I don't know what to make of Carolina, though. Their top two cornerbacks are out. J.C. Horn will not play in this one. He's been a superstar this year. You know who they called in? Josh Norman. I'm sure you remember him from back in the day with Carolina. Colin, he owned a coffee shop in Atlanta. He was literally pulled out of the coffee shop this week, and he's going to be playing for Carolina and the secondary

against Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. Something smells fishy. I think Carolina's in some trouble here. I think Brady gets the job done over a frisky Carolina team and your guy, Sam Darnel. All right, tomorrow's headlines today, big divisional matchup. Vikings Packers at Lambo, redemption, revenge for Green Bay. What do you think?

Yes, for redemption, indeed. A little head-to-head action. The headline will be Ayahuata. Packers T-off on Vikings. Look at the coffee there for Aaron Rogers. Colin, hey, I think some people are going to be surprised. Casual fans are going to be like, wait, Packers are favored in this one?

Let's remember, Dallas was favored against Minnesota when Minnesota was rolling. Dallas won 40 to 3. Detroit was favored against Minnesota. When Minnesota was rolling, Detroit wins by double digits over the Vikings. And something feels off about this Vikings defense. Matt Jones goes up and down the field against them. Remember that? Jared Goff, 30 plus points.

Mike White and the Jets had 400. yards of offense. Basically, everybody destroys this Minnesota defense. I think Rogers gets it done here. Now, the Watson News makes it a tricky handicap. They don't have much of a vertical passing game without it. And I do worry, the Packers play a lot of zone. Kurt Cousins we know can carve

up zones, Justin Jefferson, just finding spots in them. So I think Vikings hang around. They don't get blown out here, but I think the Packers cover, I'll take them favored by three and a half. Three, three and a half. Tomorrow's headlines today. Rams Chargers, Chargers favored by a lot, but I don't know, both

playing not playing. I've been talking up to Chargers a lot the last couple weeks. Get in on those Super Bowl futures. If you can, the headline will be. Flip the script. Chargers vye for Hollywood ending, the new L.A. team. Obviously, the Rams won the Super Bowl last year. I just like this Chargers team's getting healthier.

Obviously, Bosa will play this week, huge. And, Colin, let's remember, no team is as good or as bad as they were last week. Are the Rams who scored 51 on the Broadway? They're not that good. No. I think they come down to Earth. People watch that Chargers, Col. Colts game. We're like, this is a Chargers team that's good. They could barely beat the Colts.

Couldn't do much offensively. I think the Chargers served notice here. I know betting them at home can be risky, Colin, is a Chargers team to watch heading into the postseason. For the record, how's your, you are pretty good this year, aren't you? It's been a good season, yes. All right. Tomorrow's headlines today, oh, Browns and commanders, Cleveland's impossible to root for. What say you? They are impossible to root for, but Washington is starting Carson once. The headline will be. Commander in grief. Wentz heartbroken at home. Colin, this is the stat of the weekend.

I don't think I've heard it anywhere on this network. But teams, the week after they play the Niners, you know who played the Niners last week, Washington. Oh, and 13 this season. San Francisco physically beats the hell out of teams. They pound them into submission. Washington got really rattled last week, and they're going to be starting Carson Wentz.

And Colin, the last time he started a game was against the Bears on Thursday night football. He had 99 yards passing against the. Bears. Carson Wentz is not good. I know Deshawn Watson has not played well, but, you know, if you look inside the numbers a little bit, he hasn't been awful. Okay, he's not been great. But Carson Wentz has, the reality is he's not a good quarterback. I think I like Cleveland here. I would not be surprised if Cleveland, money's coming in on the Browns today, if they go off as the favorite in Washington with nothing to play for, Washington up against it to get into the postseason.

Your reasoning's very good. Tomorrow's headlines today. Niners, Raiders without Derek Carlin. I hate big favorites. How do the Raiders move the ball? I love all these sharps keep going against Brock Purdy. Like, ah, you can't be favorite. Brock Purdy just covers. And the Raiders, I love piling on them. The headline will be bad karma.

Raiders wave white flag on season. Listen, Jared Stidham, really, against this Niners defense? Dude, if you haven't started a game all season and now you've got to face the best defense in the NFL, this one could get ugly, Colin. We know that. And internally, you saw the quotes from Devoners. Monta Adams on Instagram openly saying, I disagree with this move. I don't want to say there's a mutiny going on with McDaniels,

but apparently there's some closed-door meetings happening with McDaniels and the owner. It just feels very bad vibey. We don't know if Jacobs is coming back, Waller, Renfro, there's so much uncertainty. I just think that San Francisco goes there. And by the way, they can still get the number two seed. They can pass Minnesota get that number two seed. They got something to play for. Yes.

I'm laying it with San Fran. Finally, Jay Mack, you're ball. beloved Jets, tomorrow's headlines today, Seattle and New York. Now, I took the Jets. I rarely do. I have a feeling where you're going. What could that be? The headline will be, Salabrate good times.

Come on. Listen, Sala gives us all the good headlines. The New York Jets go into Seattle and get the victory, and they're now playing for a playoff spot next week in week 18. I don't like the Seattle team right now, Colin. You hyped them a lot earlier this season. They were looking good. Well, they were, and Pete was celebrating arriving the Seattle wave.

Now they're a very weak franchise that needs a quarterback. It was a little too much grave dancing on Russell Wilson, by the way. Instead of focusing on your quarterback, Gino is cratering, Colin. It's been ugly. No covers the last six weeks. I mean, they're getting beat by Sam Darnold. It just has not lived. They can't move the football, right?

And with Lock It Out, though he did practice this week, it's basically down to D.K. Metcalf and Kenneth Walker, I saw Will Disley's now out. He's on the IR. His season's over. It's like, is this a Noah Fant game? I don't know where Seattle turns to for offense. Mike White goes to the northwest, gets the Jets, the W. I laid it at 1.5, 2, 2.5. I'm a little heavy on the Jets this weekend. Okay, so both you and I have the Jets and the Niners. We disagree on the Vikings, and you'll probably be right. Let me ask you about one game you haven't picked.

I stay away from a lot of the big TV games, but I think the efficiency, Cincinnati at home, is really good. Who would you take in that spot? They're getting points. They don't turn it over. Burroughs getting a lot of time to throw. Effective run game.

You know, Brady's like 1, 11, and 1 against a spread in his last 13 games. Right, right, right. The Bengals are the opposite. They're a covering machine. Yes. And I feel like this is one of those rah-rah games at night, at home. Buffalo. Like Josh Allen, if you really look closely,

He was terrible last week against Chicago. Bad interception. This is like a trend. I think I've got to continue to ride Cincinnati. I know we got a lot of Bengals fans that watch this show. And earlier this season, they were like, Jason, you're missing the boat. And finally I got it in last week, remember against the Patriots, I think you got to go with Burrow. But Colin, let me ask you one more thing on the Jets' playoff chances.

Miami has to start Bridgewater this week. Yeah. We got Miami Jets week 18, likely for a playoff spot. Miami. Do you think Tuel will come back for that game? So that's where I think this whole thing has nuance. So you know he'll probably pass concussion protocol. Okay.

Okay. Let's say four more days of not. So Tuesday morning they do concussion protocol or Wednesday and he passes. You know he's going to fight like man to play. Yeah. They tried to move off him twice. If he is struggling and not available, you're not a quarterback in this league. We may struggle with Daniel Jones.

He's available. But like Zach Wilson, part of his problem was, he got hurt a lot. Yeah. And so you're dealing with people's brains here. So you have to be very sensitive. But again, I would have no problem with Miami shutting to it down for the year. That feels right.

But just know that two is going to fight like, man, my takeaway is if it's in Miami, even with Bridgewater. So people aren't going to want to hear this. The Jets were able to face Bridgewater last time these two teams met. They knocked about on the first play of the game. Sauce Gardner coming off the edge. so the Jets got to beat up on Skyler Thompson, the third string. What if the Jets have to face Teddy Bridgewater and Skyler Thompson again for a playoff spot? Yeah, it's, listen, the Jets are a fascinating team, not just because you're on their show,

but I really think with Garoppolo or Derek Carr with these weapons, first of all, they're the best corner in the game now. Their defensive line's fantastic. They have a defensive coach. Breece Hall comes back. Oh, yeah, next year. They have two receivers I like. AVT, the lineman from USC who you like a lot. He's going to be back.

So left tackle quarterback, it's a playoff team, with a New England team that can't get the offense right or drafted or develop it or quarterback it, a Miami team that may be, let's be honest, transitioning out of Tua. Now, they're one to keep your eye on. And I saw it this week. Brady, a lot of talk about Brady, Brady to Miami outside of the Niners,

feels like the play to me. Now, you think it's Vegas. But I do want to ask. Just listening to that explanation, Colin, we've explained the NFC is the conference to go to. There is like no good teams there. Nobody's good. Why would you go to the AFC or stay in the AFC? Well, because I think the first choice for Thomas San Francisco, but if Brock Purdy gets them to a Super Bowl and you're paying him nothing for four years, he was the last player taken, you can keep all your all-star. And Trey Lance and Brock Brady and you can, yeah. So it's like you don't have to trade anybody. They got a pro bowler at safety.

linebacker, edge, left tackle. But does Derek Carr say, I want to go to the NFC? I don't want to deal with Patrick Mahomes and Justin Herbert and the Bills. I mean, you're looking at Bills, Bengals and Chiefs dominating the AFC for the next, what, decade? Awesome stuff. Thanks for everybody who tuned in and stayed with us today. First things first, around the corner on a Friday. Be safe. Happy holidays.

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