The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Heat, Patriots-Falcons

Episode Date: November 18, 2021

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. So Dwayne Wade's got a new book out called D. Wayne. It's a photographic memoir of his life and his career. And it's funny what you think of.

So when I think of Dwayne Wade, there's two memories that come out. And this is the first one. So he got drafted like 2003 or something like that out of Marquette. And I watched college basketball. He's very physical. He was a score, but he wasn't a pretty shooter. But he was real physical. So I followed him.

I was into him. I liked him. He played like a four, what he was with guard. About two years into the league, I talked to a coaching friend of mine. I'm like, this guy's on the floor constantly. He's never going to last. He plays like a power forward. And the coach said to me, he said, look at that body.

That's a guy that works out every day of his life. He was built. He said, that kid could play football because I don't worry about his body. He said, these guys are getting banged around that are skinny. These guys, those are the guys that fall off the cliff, right? And so Dwayne Wade, first ballot, one of the great players. probably a top 20 player in the history of the league. And he was so important for the league now joins us live.

So I want to go back to when you came into the league, because I would watch you, and I'm like, there's no way this can last. He's literally a football player. He's getting tackled. He's falling on the hard floor. Did anybody early in your career, like Pat Riley say, Dwayne, stop. Don't be so physical. Does anybody ever say that to you?

Bob McAdoo. Bob McAdoo will tell me all the time, you're not going to last if you keep throwing your body all over the floor. And I was like, Bob, if I don't play this way, it ain't going to matter anyway. Because I'm not going to be good. I'm not a shooter. I'm not going to be good. So I had to play that way. That's what I grew up.

That's how I grew up playing. The other thing that's always jumped out to me is more personal. So this is very rare for a superstar. You made shack work. You made LeBron work. You married Gabrielle Union, a star in her own right. You have always made, you've never had a problem in your life. And this is how I view you of saying, oh, I'm going to step back a little and I'm going to watch somebody else perform.

And that is rare. Steph Curry's got that. You have that. 99% of entertainers, singers. You have been willing and you didn't have to, but sometimes say, I'm going to be a coach. star here a little bit. I'm going to make this thing work. Where does that come from? Because it doesn't seem hard. It seems innate. It seems like that is even in your fashion stuff. You work well with all sorts of people. You can be a star. You can be a co-star. Where does that come from? First of all,

thank you. I appreciate you noticing that quality. I don't think a lot of people really talk about that. Colin, I get joy out of watching others be successful. I get joy out of watching others get what they want. And I've been a part of, and I've been blessed enough from the game of basketball to play with some of the greatest players that will ever play the game of basketball. And one thing I knew going through this process of sport is that nothing got accomplished alone. Nothing felt great alone. Like I never want to go out to dinner and eat by myself. I want to eat. I want to eat at a table full of all the people I want to be with. And I want all of us to fight for the bill when it comes because we can all afford it. You know what I'm saying?

I don't want to be the only one that can pull out my credit card. So that's, you know, just an analogy. But I just use sport in life. You know, when it comes to me and my wife, it's just like me and LeBron or me and Chris or me and Shackler. We're partners. And some days I'm going to, you know, I'm a lead. And someday, she's going to lead. And someday someone else is going to have the league because we ain't going to have a great night.

You know, it's just basketball. of what has taught me so much and I use it in life. When you, you know, you go back and you look at the hedels and the magic of it, I want you to take me somewhere. So we all know 90% of what happened. I want you, I'm going to ask a favor. I want you to tell me the first phone call that ever happened, and I don't know who initiated it.

And somebody said, you know, it'd be kind of fun if we played together. I want a scoop, Dwayne Wade. I'll never ask another favor. What was the first call? So the first call, I was living in Chicago around the East Bank Club. I don't know how many people know what East Bank Club is. Yeah, so I lived right off right. The East Bank Club was pretty much my backyard.

And I get a call from my agent, Henry Thomas. At the time, Henry Thomas was we had just moved to CAA. We had a nice office downtown Chicago, and he said, come down, I want to talk to you about something. And I'm thinking, you know, it's free agency time coming up, you know, and stuff like that. So I'm okay, you want to talk to me about free agency. Well, long story short, he brought me down there. And that was at the moment where Hank expressed to me what the heat had the opportunity to do. I didn't know anything about the heat having an opportunity to have enough money to be able to go get two other star players.

And so that was the moment where we got on the phone as in Leon Rose, who was representing LeBron James at the time. Yeah. And Henry Thomas, who was representing me, Brown and I got on the phone, and I was all ears. And they presented this to us as, hey, you know, this is something that we're hearing from the heat. Uh, what's up?

You know, kind of like, what's up? And so I would give the credit to probably, I think Brian knew about it before me. Um, because I think Leon was one of the, you know, I think Leon called Hank about, you know, hearing about this and an opportunity. But Colin, it goes. back to when we signed our deal the first time, when we signed a three-year deal, we did the same thing. Our agents, being with the same agency, they came together, and they talked about, you know, the loophole in the contract to allow us to be able to sign this deal and sign another one

before we get too old or whatever the case may be. So it's just that communications of two great agents who had relationships, but also had two clients who were friends and high relationships. You, something else is fascinating about you, and both you and LeBron, this is true of, you came into the league when it was more physical and starred. And then it got more finesse, no hand check, a lot of threes, and you also starred. I wonder if you've ever thought about this. Because you're one of those guys, you would have succeeded, you know, regardless. But the league now is, I mean, sometimes it's a three-point shooting contest.

I like in the NBA plash when the refs swallow the whistle and physical guys, because I miss the physicality of it. But do you sometimes look at this league and think, man, I came in at the right time. where physical prowess, toughness mattered, because that's where you, to me, that's where you made your mark. Like, this is the most physical guard I've ever seen in my, in fact, I think you lead the NBA all time, most blocks by a guard. Do you think the time you came into the league was perfect?

Your physicality mattered and you made an impact with it? I do. I will 100,000% agree with you on the league and the rules of the game, style of play, everything was perfect for us as stars. And I thank the NBA for even noticing the game started to evolve to actually fit towards the way that we played the game of basketball as the young coming stars in the game. But I grew up playing physical because that's where the NBA or that's where my community or that's where, you know, that's how I grew up playing basketball. So to me, it was no, it was just what you do. Now, if you ask me, can I play the game of

basketball today and have the same success without having the ability to shoot threes like everybody else, I would say yes, just like I watched Demarra Rosen scored 38 and 36 and 30. If you could play the game of basketball, you know, and the way that some guys can, you can play anywhere. So, yeah, and I have to say, I'm so glad that the NBA has loosened the rules up and we're kind of going back to seeing some hand-checking, seeing a little physicality. It makes the game better. NBA. You know what? I've been saying this, Dwayne, this is my theory on it, that the hand check, when they took away the hand check, more guards get hurt. Here's my theory. The hand check

mostly kept guards from going into the forest and getting knocked over by the trees. Now, you can't stay in front of any of these guys. And so they attack the basket, a 6-11 guy from Lithuania comes over, blocks them, they crash to the floor, they don't have your body. So the hand check, I think I told either Adam Silver or somebody, I said the hand check will keep your guards healthier actually because now it's just too darn easy to get to the basket now.

Anyway, that's my stupid theory. Okay, I want to go to something else. When you look at your career, you're going to get into the Hall of Fame, obviously. And I know where you're from in Chicago. In fact, you were talking about that health club. I was on a boat tour not long ago in Chicago, and they pointed that club out and they said, you know, Barack Obama.

Roma works out at that club. So I know that club. That's like a legendary club, right? So I used to be on a boat tour. They used to say, DeWain Way lives there. It was amazing. Yes.

It's a great tour, by the way. If you're in Chicago, it's fascinating. So what would go back to your childhood and your dreams? And you've accomplished all this. Will you be emotional when you get into the Hall of Fame? Like, what will you think of when you're at that podium and you're into the Hall of Fame? What human in your life will you think of? my mother, my father, probably be the first two people.

Being a kid and, you know, I talk about my journey very openly. My mother and my father do. But, you know, going through life and being nine years old and sitting across from your mother and it's a big plastic, I mean, a big, you know, going to prison and using a phone and having to talk to my mom through this plexiglass, this big thick plexiglass, that image will never go on my head. So when I'm on that podium that day, you know, when I get the opportunity, if I'm blessed enough to get the opportunity to be there to accept it, that's what's going to go through my mind. It's going to be moments

and memories like that. Like, Colin, I was, you hear athletes say it all the time, like we're not supposed to be here. Well, it's so many things that try to get in my way to try to knock me down and try to keep me down from being here. Whether it was my mom going to prison, but it was not passing an ACT score, whether it was having Zaire at 19. years old. Whatever it was, there's a lot of roadblocks. And I'm going to think about those roadblocks. And that's the reason I even write a book, because I know it's kids out there that will have roadblocks. And you need an image of someone to see that you can't get past it. I know the heat offered you some ownership and so to the jazz. But since I ski in Utah all the time

and go to Jazz Games, I like that. Nothing against Miami, but I think it's great. And it's a well-run operation. So I want to congratulate you on that. And in fact, Joy, I think you mentioned this yesterday on the show is that we are seeing now, you know, Michael Jordan, obviously, Dwayne Wade up, Magic's got some Dodger ownership in this. And it's funny because I know that Miami offered you some in Utah, and my takeaway was, oh, Utah gave you a better business deal. Am I right on that? I mean, let's be honest. Let's just say I couldn't pass up on an opportunity to grow alongside Ryan Smith, everything that he stands for, everything that he's trying to build in the city and the state of Utah is something that I couldn't pass up on.

I talked to Ryan years ago and told him, you know, when I retired, I wanted to learn more about the tech world. I wanted to be a bigger investor. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to make my money work for itself. I knew tech was important part of that. And so it's just so many opportunities that, you know, that presents itself for me. me Utah is out of 15 minutes away from my house. But I think the most important thing is is my my legacy in Miami is I like where it is. I don't want to mess with it right now. I don't want to touch it right now. For me, I'm in my business mindset. So my business mindset, I felt that Utah was the best opportunity for my services and what I can bring to not only a

team, but to a state, you know, at the same time. as we're in this process in the world, as we're trying to move everyone forward. And, you know, Ryan Smith and Ashley Smith are doing it. So I'm proud to be partners of theirs in this business venture called the Utah Jazz. All right. It's beautiful arena, too, by the way. This is the book right here.

It's beautiful photographic memoir. There's just, there's basketball stuff. Go to Amazon.com and get it. There's all sorts of stuff. Great family pictures here. Look at you. You're fashionable. Oh, look at that.

Beautiful life right there. Wow. You guys are good-looking people. Man, oh, man. Look at that. Well, look what's the makeup can do? I'll tell you that. Look at that right there. The pool side. Yeah, that's a good shot. You guys are good looking. I'm a little bit jealous right there. I'm not going to lie to you. All right, Duane, absolute pleasure you've given so much to the game. It was so nice you to stop by. You got a million shows that want you on. You were nice enough to come on our show. And you're accredited the game. And I just love you to death, man. I appreciate it. I appreciate the platform and opportunity.

And I love your show. I comment on your show, but I'm a big joy fan, so I really watch it for her. Sorry, Colin. Just like you, I'm a giver. I'm okay. I'll be a co-host. Thanks, Dwayne. Oh, it's good.

Thank you guys. Dwayne Wade, NBA champ, multiple times, three-time champ. It's really a beautiful book. You know what? I've got to be honest, I like pictures. It's so beautiful. Yeah, I have a theme in my house of goats. So I have Muhammad Ali

I have Michael Jordan We got Kobe Got a little Bruce Lee Prince I just I gotta add Dwayne's book to there too It's really Really beautiful

Oh look at this This is Dwayne Oh look at See I always told you There's something about the Staples Center I'm not calling it Crypto Center That's nonsense Here's a great

Here's a great picture Look at the lighting in Los Angeles Like is that a great picture or what? God you can see everybody's wrinkles Of course, it's down. I will say, though, Staples. Staples has an intimacy to it. It feels like you're close.

Well, there's a lot of sweets. So there are not that many great seats. It's like it was the first place I ever went to that had like three rows of sweets. It's very L.A. I mean, look at this picture. Look at the Staples Center. I mean, you can literally. Yeah, you can see everyone's face.

No, we've said this before. There's something about the lighting. and it's probably because, oh, not, there's movie stars all over it. Well, yeah. And they want the audience to see them. All right. I went a little long on that one.

You know, you turn on the show, you get the big stars, you've got to give them time. We're not rushing people in and out of here. Go buy that book. It's called DeWang. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, you and I aren't huge MVP people. Not really. Not really. Yeah. I mean, awards are nice and it's very prestigious to be the MVP of a league.

Yes. But right now, the MVP race is pretty wide. wide open in the NFL heading into week 11. Generally around this time, we have a pretty good idea of who's going to, who's on the fast check to win the MVP, if you will. But it's really wide open right now. Josh Allen has the best odds, according to Fox Bet, plus 250. Tom Brady is second plus 33. Dak Prescott plus 700.

Matthew Stafford plus 850 and Aaron Rogers at plus 1,000. Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson are tied for 6th at 1400, which I mentioned only because Kyler Murray. he was running away with it before the injury. So it's kind of become very interesting. Josh Allen this season is fifth in passing yards and tied for sixth in passing touchdowns. You know, you mentioned Tom Brady as the MVP of the league. At this point in his career, it feels a little crazy, but he's third in passing yards, first and passing touchdowns.

He's 67.4 completion percentage, 2,870 yards, 27 touchdowns, 7 interceptions. he's better than Josh Allen in all of those categories. Well, I think Tom and Dak have the most weapons. So I would say the guys were the most weapons. Now, Dak is in a division where Washington's really good defensively and the Giants defense is pretty good. Tom's in a division with a Saints defense and the Carolina defense is good. So you could have bad games.

But in terms of like I've got weapons, multiple people to help me, Dak's pretty good. Also, Buffalo's O line is, Greg Kosell said this earlier. It's not a great pass blocking O line. And sometimes Josh is running for his life. So I would say Dak and Brady feels right to me. So you could see Brady winning the MVP this year? Yeah, I just look at their schedule and I look at the weapons.

I mean, to win the MVP, you need people who can also make yards after the catch. And Zeke can bust runs. You know, a lot of this is, you know, you're not throwing rainbows for touchdown. Sometimes you throw a 12-yard slant and it becomes a 60-yard touchdown. And it goes on your... Well, I mean, if Josh Allen wins the MVP. It's hard. His old line. That would be impressive. If Dak does it would be impressive.

If Tom Brady wins League MVP, like we don't make a big deal really about the MVP because it's generally pretty obvious. We should get it. And 44. I mean, then I think we have to make a big deal of it at that point. Like, not that it won't be a big deal of

Josh Allen or Dak win it, but it's Tom Brady at 44. There's certain things you could say would never happen again in the history of sports. A 44-year-old player wins MVP. I'm going to go with that will never happen again. All right. Well, it's crunch time. If you follow the rules of the herd, one of our rules is we don't compare anyone to Tom Brady.

That is a rule, even though people try to sneak it in all the time, then we have to regulate. Also, another rule is that we're going to decide on Daniel Jones at Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is next Thursday. So he has, so this is the Giants last game. They play, they play, so I get this game and the Thanksgiving weekend game. and by then I will make my, it's our new rule in the show. I'll make my call on Daniel Jones. Right now I'm leaning, keep him.

Well, they play the bucks on Monday night, and they'll be looking to break a losing streak. They are 0 and 9 in primetime games since drafting Daniel Jones with Jones starting in seven of those losses. But he's not thinking about that unfortunate trend as he is getting ready for the game this week. I really, you know, really haven't thought about it

and realized it until recently, but, you know, we're preparing for this week. Each game's different. You know, we haven't won enough games here recently, you know, period. So, you know, we've got to, you know, you look at whatever the situation is. We've got to look at this game individually and preparing for that game. Yeah, I don't think that players sit around thinking I'm, oh and, our team is 0 and 9 in primetime games since I've been here. That's not the statistics that Daniel Jones is paying attention to.

What are his numbers? I know I'm throwing you guys under a bus here because you don't have them. But I say again, he's cut. His career record is 11 and 24. Okay, because you can't blame it all on the quarterback. So what is his completion percentage? And they are 3 and 6 this season. He's about 65% completion percentage.

He's a big kid. They do have the 27th ranked offensive line. It stinks. They have a 31st pass blocking grade this season and they're 25th in run blocking this season. All right, 63% percent. completion percentage. And his passer rating is, what, 92, 85? God, I got to tell you that ain't great. He's got to play two more good games or I'm trading him. It's not good. That's not, that's not in this day and age, 62, 63. See, look at the rest of their schedule. They have the

Buccaneers on Monday night. That's a tough one. Then you have the Indivision Eagles at home. Not easy, but I'll give him a win. It's not easy. It's a win, but it's not easy. I'll give them one. What's next? That's kind of a must win, right? At least according to our rule, like you've got to beat the indivision Eagles at home, don't you? I made a rule.

They've got to... They're the first year head coach. I know. I know. Then they have the dolphins, the chargers, cowboys, eagles, bears, and Washington. So a lot of division games left. I mean, the issue is a bad quarterback class.

So what it tells me is, don't, if he's struggled, It goes 0 and 2 the next two weeks. Well, Albert Breer mentioned the Giants might be in the market. For a quarterback. Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, Deshawn Watson, and probably three really good, three high-end first-round college. It can not be all his faults and it still be a problem.

Oh, yeah, you can have a reality. It's not your fault, but you're not good enough to overcome an imperfect union. Well, that's our question, right? With, I think, so Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks said the saying, Tractor or trailer, but also confetti guy, right? Like, is he a guy you could see the confetti falling at the Super Bowl, right? Is he a confetti guy? No.

Okay, so maybe he's not a confetti guy yet. Is he a tractor or trailer? So if you're not a confetti guy yet, that's okay. There's a lot of guys who aren't good who aren't confetti guys yet. But are you a trailer or a tractor? If you're neither of those things, and you can start having the conversation about how much value you have as a starting quarterback. So tractor means can you pull a team or do you have to be pulled?

I think he has to be pulled. And he's not a confetti guy. So I think that's Jared Goff and the Rams moved off him. Again, what are your standards? The giant standards are not the Yankees. They've won titles. Their standard is winning Super Bowls. They're not the match of the Jets, which is let's get out of chaos.

Yeah, there's expectations of the- In New York, it's just higher for the Giants and the Yankees. So Mel Tucker has revived Michigan State football in his second year with the team. They're nine and one and seventh in the playoff rankings. And now Michigan State is reportedly preparing to offer Mel, Mel Tucker, a 10-year, $95 million extension to remain the head coach. Now, generally, you're not a huge fan of this length of a contract. Well, no, I think, so I didn't understand when, it's funny.

I couldn't understand the lack of appreciation when they hired him. On this show, I said, oh, it's a great hire. In college football, you don't need this in the NFL, but what you need in college football, more than anything, is a presence. Right. I've been in a room with Mel Tucker. Mel Tucker has a presence. You can be the smartest guy in the world.

Because you've got to walk into a house. Dad's got to be like, that's a man. Mom's got to be like, oh, I like him. And the kid's got to be like, that's my guy. Mel's got a presence. You know, Harbaugh's got one, too. He's a little quirky, but Harbaugh's got one. Sabin's got one.

Sabin's got one. And I was really shocked. The media was really like, well, he left Colorado. Colorado's never been a big boy, spend big money, get world-class facility football program. It's not a knock on Colorado. They're a second tier Pac-12 program. So I thought he was going to, I thought he was a huge hiring. And I think this is exactly what you have to do.

You're not going to, first of all, you had Sabin and you didn't keep him. So you just got potentially a Sabin level guy. You got to keep him. You're not going to get another one. I don't have a problem with the length of the contract. Because also when you're talking about college football in comparison to the NFL, like it's a different business model. When you're talking about college football,

you're going to have guys there. You need time to develop it. NFL, you can spend a bunch of money, bring a bunch of free agents in, go all in for a year and get to the Super Bowl or win a Super Bowl, if it's done right. Like you can make that happen. Yes, there's a balance with young guys and old guys. I get a salary cap.

It's a different business model. college you really need, especially if you're coming in to the beginning of a program and building it, you need time. You have to win with seniors. You have to have those veterans on the team. Like you have to build a full culture and program, especially if you're not a school like Alabama or LSU or Clemson. Look who is winning this year in college football. Notre Dame. Coach has been there forever. Alabama, been there forever. By the way, who is solidified in the Big Ten? Northwestern now is like a real program. Pat's been there forever. You start looking around.

Mario Cristobal now has been at Oregon a few years. Like this stuff matters, right? Like you've got to give people Oklahoma. Lincoln Riley, no chaos. He's been there for now. It's the fourth year. Maybe take a little listen to Texas to what we're saying right now. LSU feels like a tire fire every third year.

So it's like... They don't have any patience. So let's just Michigan State, you had Sabin, you let him go. You finally got three big donors, two are billionaires, The third may be a billionaire, but the only way to go from a tier two to a tier one, there's only one way. Money. You've got to keep the staff and build facilities in Michigan State.

Oregon did it 20 years ago with Phil Knight. Michigan now, Michigan State's saying we want to be in that Michigan class where there is no better college job. You could go to the NFL. You could retire. We could fire you, but you don't go anywhere else in college. And it's exciting for me because Oregon's the last one that did it. And I think Michigan State's doing it. It's fun.

It is fun. And you're absolutely right. It takes money. It's not very romantic, but it's just the truth. You need donors that say we'll build $175 million facility, and we're going to pay our coach over 10 years, $95 million. Joy with the News. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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