The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 -  It's about Ownership, Mark Sanchez

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

Colin thinks he knows why the Packers are able to develop quarterbacks consistently. Former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez joins Colin to talk about quarterback play in the NFL and the redemption story of Sam Darnold.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back. Mark Sanchez in 30 minutes is going to break down that Sam Darnold because he was doing that Seahawks, Minnesota game, which ended up being just a great, great game. Live in L.A., it's the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, I want to thank you for making us part of your day. We've got a lot of choices out here. J. Mack was at the Lakers game last night. Austin Reeves didn't play well. They're not playing Dalton Connect to your liking.

He needs a few more minutes. I'll just say that. They needed Max Christie as a starter because he plays defense. Yeah. Dalton doesn't play much. Redicus tinker. I like what he's doing. I think the Lakers are fine.

They're going to be in the playoffs, obviously. They're not a playing team. They're a playoff team. All right. LeBron played well. The top of the West is like OKC, Houston. Denver's not quite right. They're not.

It's tough. NBA is really difficult. A lot of medium teams are good. In the NFL, it's top heavy, like you said, and the bottom just low. Yeah, right now in the NFL, 10 teams with five or fewer wins. Last year it was only five. So the bottom is ugly.

And it shouldn't be because we just had a quarterback class that went, it looks like if J.J. McCarthy can play, it's five for five. Drake May, Pennix. Pennix one game. He looked pretty good. It was the Giants. I know. JV. team.

Come on. I like Pennix. He's got to go on the road. Can he do it on the road this week? First, though, the Packers shut out the Saints last night. wasn't big lifting for Jordan Love to do too much. And there's a reason that Green Bay has a history of success drafting a quarterback and letting them sit for three years because they have no owner, no ego, no meddling, no demands.

Even the great owners, Stan Cronky, Jeffrey Lurie, Robert Kraft, they would want to see their investment. They wouldn't want a first round pick on the bench for three years, drafting and developing. Last week, there's video of the crafts in the... their box wanting to be on camera reportedly telling CBS get us on camera criticizing the coaches play calling last week a story out the jets the jets owners the kids harassing jets players in the locker room yet the packers clinched their 37th playoff appearance last night number one all time you know who they surpassed the Dallas cowboys whose owner an egomaniac needs to be on radio every week dissecting

the win the panthers seven coaches in six years if you count the interims. Look upstairs. That's why you're bad. Is it a shock? They're 4 and 11 in Carolina. And here is Green Bay. No meddling, no owner. For years, I always saw it as a

weakness. Now I see it as a strength. All Green Bay does is whatever is best for the development of their young quarterback. Three straight quarterbacks, star, star, all three, Farbs in the Hall of Fame, Rogers,

will be and love looks like he's on his way. It's all football. Because as owners have gotten richer, all of them are billionaires now, and crazier and more impulsive, it gets in the way of the development of the most important position. Think it's a coincidence. Aaron Rogers is four and 11 and now irrelevant. And in Green Bay, he was a back-to-back MVP and after Brady, the biggest star in the league, do you think it is a coincidence that the Cleveland quarterback situation is the worst and messiest in the league. It's not the coach's fault. Stephansky's great.

It's not the GM's fault. Andrew Barry's excellent. They draft well. It's the Haslums. You think it's a coincidence that Sam Darnold is having an unbelievable year and in Carolina and the Jets he was a tire fire. No, the Wilf family in Minnesota has always been very low profile. 99% of you don't know what the Willf family looks like.

It is not a coincidence. Only the power. and I used to see it as a weakness, can draft a young quarterback who's talented, and sit him and develop him for three years. Aaron could have played earlier. Jordan Love could have played earlier. But if you're just about football, no meddling, no ego, no impulsive crazy person, that's what you should do.

Even these young quarterbacks now, Jaden Daniels, he's good enough to play. But it wasn't the end of the world that Michael Pennock. sat it wouldn't have been to the end of the world if Drake May or Bo Nick sat but I'm watching what Green Bay does even after their win last night here's the locker room and what you don't see is an owner that needs attention listen I love this team I love this energy and we got something special here we just got to keep building on it all right way to handle your business we go to the playoffs 37th playoff appearance number one all the time for the smallest market in the NFL, the smallest media, surpassing Dallas, who is

Jerry has aged, has regressed badly, and his need to talk right after the game and be on radio has increased. I do not believe it's a coincidence. And now let's talk Jordan Love. I'm finding this to be true, especially with young quarterbacks, but old ones too. I can't separate the quarterback from the coach because there is such a huge gap between the really good coaches and Jordan Love has one and Matt Stafford has one and Lamar has one and Mahomes has one and Justin Herbert has one and Bo Knicks has one. I can't separate them. The position's never been more important and there's a huge gap between the really good coaches and the average ones. and I look at Jordan Love and I see Matt LaFleur.

Matt LaFleur, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVey. They're considered offensive wizards. But deep down, they love the power run game. I mean, you ever watch a Rams game? How often Kairn Williams? Tiny Notre Dame or Kairn Williams. Guy carries the ball 25 times a game. He's not Derek Henry.

He's not built like that. Todd Gurley, if you go look at McVeigh's history, he wants to run the ball. Even with Stafford. And with golf, two top 10 quarterbacks, I mean, Shanahan, I mean, he has a losing record in San Francisco without Christian McCaffrey. The soul of Kyle Shanahan is the run game. And it's the same with Matt LaFleur. Where did he come from?

Where did he build his resume? In Washington behind a Shanahan, a run coach, and in Tennessee with Derek Henry. So Jordan Love is throwing fewer passes that he's ever thrown. Six straight games under 30 attempts. and yet five straight games scoring over 30. When I watch Jordan Love, I see Matt LaFleur. He has reduced his attempts. He's the captain, and Jordan Love is a great vessel.

I feel the same way with Herbert. Jim Harbaugh is the captain. Herbert's the vessel. And it's amazing that in both cases, and you're seeing this in Philadelphia, too, the quarterback is throwing less, but is winning more, and the team is often scoring more, as the quarterback throws less. And we all know quarterback's the most important position in the league.

But what I'm finding in this league now, when I watch Green Bay, this is Matt LeVloor's team. This is basically Tennessee with a better quarterback. He had Derek Henry. Now he's got Josh Jacobs, and I'm watching Josh Jacobs. Like this, when Aaron and Matt were together, it was Aaron's team. There were concessions. You have to have concessions with Aaron.

And it's not a cheap show. Just Mike McCarthy found it out. You'll see the door if you don't. But when I watch Green Bay, and this is not a knock at Jordan Love, because I think he's a top 10 quarterback in this league or higher, there is a group of quarterbacks in this league, and they have a connection with the coach, and we can put it on the screen.

But I can't think of Mahomes without Reed, and I can't think of Stafford without McVeigh and Herbert and Lamar and Jordan and Sam Darnold. I just, I can't separate them. I mean, I see CJ Stroud is great. and D'Amico Ryans is a great coach. I don't see a connection there. They're both excellent.

And here was Jordan Love after the shutout. I still think there's a lot of, a lot more points out there for us, a lot more big-time plays. I just think it's little things that, you know, when we start being more consistent and dialing in on these things that, you know, the sky's the limit for the offense. Yeah, I was saying is that there's a combination right now in the NFL where you have this quarterback and head coach connection. and I tend to think Zach Taylor's really good.

A lot of JMAX push back on that one. I think Zach Taylor and Burrow work. I think there's front office and ownership stuff there that is beyond his control. But it is the league now we have. For the record, I was thinking about this last night watching Jordan Love. There's only one great quarterback that would miss the playoffs. To show you how valuable quarterback is, it's Joe Burrell. And if they beat Cincinnati this week and then Cincinnati and then Denver

loses to Kansas City the following week, but if Kansas City beats Pittsburgh, they made rest starters in the last week, especially like a Chris Jones and a Travis Kelsey, and you may get sort of the B team with Kansas City. But it's interesting because I think Denver is too good at too many things not

to eke into the playoffs. If I said today, that game, I think Denver's it's a two and a half point spread. Who do you like in that game? I'm on the Bengals in that game. And listen, I know you love Peyton and Knicks. I think everybody on planet Earth would love to see Joe Burrow in the playoffs.

Go to Buffalo and try to take down the bills again. Remember he did it the year they went to the Super Bowl? I think it was like 27. Right now he's the only great quarterback in the league, not in the playoffs. And you say great. I know people love Mahomes. Burroughs been way better than Mahomes this year. Burroughs been arguably the second or third best quarterback in the league this season.

Just his numbers. But Mahomes is winning games. Mahomes is winning games. You know, it's a team sport. Coach sport. Who's the defensive quarterback? coordinator of the Bengals versus the Chiefs. Like, come on.

Well, that guy was getting love years ago. What did he just forget how to coach? Yeah, he forgot how to coach? Well, how about this? The organization moved off good players to save money. Jesse Bates, you see another pick six for the Falcons this past weekend? Yeah, he's been pretty good. They moved off him.

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Outside of World Cup years, Mark Madness is the greatest sporting event. It was amazing. Well, that's why when everybody freaks out about the college football playouts, like folks, it's year one. Let them work the kinks out. There's a lot of concessions.

There's bureaucracy. There's a reason Boise State got a buy, the Mountain West. Notre Dame, by the way, can never get a buy. That's a good point. They can go 12 and O and Notre Dame cannot get a buy

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Let's just stop with that. And I've said this for years. How long did it take for a 16 seed to be to one seed in March Madness? I mean, it happened a few years ago, but it took forever. How long, I mean, how often do you get a 15 seed or a 14 seed that went?

Not very often. So the fact of the matter is, as this tournament expands from 12 to 14 and probably 16, the first round is going to have some ugly games. You're going to have Alabama and Georgia hosting an SMU or a Boise State or whatever. That's the reality of the tournament. Are you surprised by all the hand-wringing, the media? I've seen articles. I haven't read them, but I've seen headlines. How we can change the playoff going forward.

We're not even done year one. We're in the middle of the first playoffs. People are like, here's some ideas. I'm like, first of all, first of all, first of all, the first round of March Madness. We talk about the upsets. You don't get a lot of them. What about the first round of the wild card round of the NFL last year?

Six games, five blowouts in the first round. Five games were just unwatchable. How about the NBA? Seven game first round. Did LeBron lose a game in the first round for years? So it's like take a deep breath. This coming up, I believe Oregon, Ohio State will be the highest rated college football game that's not a natty in forever.

So I think the games are going to be great. Both you and I think Notre Dame could beat Georgia. Both of us like Boise State giving Penn State trouble. Remember, Penn State blowout win, another heavy favorite with potentially, you know, the winner of Georgia, Notre Dame waiting. Not potentially, they are. So it's a sandwich game. Blowout win, big favorite.

Here comes Notre Dame, Georgia. Penn State better be careful. That is a bad spot to be in. And Boise State has the best running back in the sport. They ran all over Oregon. I mean, this kid had six touchdowns against Georgia Southern. I think he had 200 yards. And three touchdowns against Oregon.

In Oregon, by the way. Yeah, no, no. So Boise played Oregon tougher than Penn State played Oregon in the Big Ten championship. Boise's live, folks. They're getting 10 and a half. I think it's up to a lot. So maybe the market moving against us. I don't care.

I'm taking the 11. J-MAC win the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, I don't know if I love or hate this, but this Antonio Pierce situation with Vegas is funny. So entering last week, the Raiders were in line to have the number one overall pick.

Then they beat the Jags, dropping them from first pick to six. Fans are outraged. Everybody's crestfallen. Antonio Pierce does not care. look at the smile on his face. We don't do this to lose. We don't do this for anybody's fantasy football team. We don't do anybody's drafts, projections.

None of that shit matters to us. Our thing matters is winning. And that's all we want to do. I will say this. Let me defend Antonio Pierce and Tom Telesco. They play their butt off every weekend. They are a block kick here in a Misty P-A-T. I mean, they could have easily mailed it in like the Giants have.

It feels like the Giants, the locker room's gone. Saints. They are playing their butts off for Antonio Pierce. They're playing, and let's be honest. No Cosby, by the way. What's that? No Max Crosby. Yeah.

So I always say the NFL is about checking boxes. Do you have a quarterback? No. Do they have a left tackle? Yes. Do they have a weapon? Brock Bowers is unguardable? Yes.

Do they have an edge rusher? Yes. Do they have a left tackle? Colton Miller, yes. They have boxes checked. That's why I think they'll look at cousins, Darnold and Cam Ward. I also think they may trade down

because they like the character of Jalen Milro. I wouldn't be shocked if the Raiders traded down, got another pick, and then took Jalen Milrow 12th. Because Milrow's not, he's not a top 10 pick, and not that many teams need quarterbacks.

But I think, I just look at the Raiders, and I like how hard they play. And I think the roster is not that, far off. I said this about Denver. Everybody said Denver's a five-win team. I said, folks, if Bow Nix can play, they have a great left tackle. They have Cortland Sutton,

good edge rusher. Like they had the weapons. Good run game. Great corner. In that division. I know, but I'm just saying. You need a real coach. No disrespect. Well, I think they play very hard. It's easy to mail. I watched the Saints last night. Quit.

Yeah, they're. I watched the Giants. Well, that's the thing about Daibol. Like, those guys aren't even playing. I'm a day bowl guy, but that Atlanta game was gnarly. Dicey. All right, let's get to the Arizona Cardinals who got eliminated on Sunday with the overtime loss

to the Panthers. You know, they were in great position a month ago. They were in first place. Lost four or five and Jonathan Gannon, not under fire, but he's taking responsibility in Arizona. I'm not satisfied with the performance of the team. That starts with me, so

what I'm really saying, that's an indictment on myself. I'm not satisfied with myself. Yeah, I remember he was kind of, I don't want to be, it's the holiday. He was a little goofy at his introductory. Some of these coaches aren't good in there. Dan Campbell and Nick Sariani were horrible on our opening press conferences. They've turned around. And they're on fire.

Yeah, that's a fair point. So I, you know, McVeigh was great, but I think McVeigh was like years ahead of where most coaches are. I don't know what to do in Arizona. I have been such a Kyler-Murie advocate. Yeah, well, can't want them all, Cowherd. By the way, he's, Kyler will be without, they just announced this, without his left tackle. No, can I, can I, can I, good? Can I do something that I haven't done in a month?

Oh, here we go. Locking in a pick. What is the line on the Rams, Arizona? It's six on the screen. Because I saw this, like, seven minutes ago, I looked during the commercial. It's six and a half. It's going to be seven by game. Okay.

I'm taking the six and a half now. Okay. Well, take six. It's on the screen. Okay, six on the screen. Yeah, yeah. I'm taking the minus six locking it in. Yeah.

Right. I'm going to, Rams is in my blazing five minus six. Okay, so no left tackle, Paris Johnson, Jr. Or right tackle. No, no, no. I'm taking the Rams. It's one of my picks. I'm locking in the number now.

Arizona looks so deflated. I also have. There's another, there's one great bet on the board. I think Rams is a really good bet. Don't listen to me. I stink this year. Bengals? No, there's another one.

Ravens. Well, that's tomorrow. All right, we'll get to the final story. This is funny. So Joelle Embed has been up and down this season. And look at this. He got a, you got a, you got a, you got a jacking. last night.

I'll call for a charge, did not like it, got in the face of the referee, teed up, continued his tirade on the sideline, got another technical ejected for the second time in his career. I guess maybe he wanted some extra rest ahead of the Christmas Day game. Look at him. He has worked up. Very hot. Look at him. I think he's taking out some full season frustration on the refs there.

By the way, LeBron last night barking at the refs a lot. Well, LeBron's always barked at the rest. It was like Luca Donchitz levels last night. But just seeing these stars, you know, Joelle and Bede, he's having a tough year, Colin. I know you've been a long time. You know what I think he's mad at? They told him he had to play in back-to-back games. I think he was furious.

Yeah, so Sixers on Christmas Day, they'll have Maxie, Paul George, and Embed fully formed, and I'm sure you'll be firing off some tweets watching that thriller. I'm going to watch, I'm going to watch the Knicks. Yeah, Nick should be, Nick's Wemby will be. I'm going to watch that. That'll be a good game. Christmas Day is a great TV day. Oh, wonderful.

in a big long walk in the morning, cup of Joe, boom, I'm good. Who needs family? You're going to go to the gym too? Cigar? What's going on? I'm going to see my friend Eric and Kim, my friends, at like 1.30 in the afternoon. Yeah, after giving me the stiff arm, you're just heading out. Well, no, it's, um, I see.

You have no cigar policy in our house. Yeah, and you have young kids. And I'm, you don't want me around young kids. I swear. They'll teach you some of these hip, hip, new words, you know? Listen, I just got. A nice drip. They might say that when you want to.

I just found out yesterday what you. YOLO means. Oh, geez. What? It's like 2019. I got lit mid. Standing on business. Standing on business and Yolo.

Sigma. Wow. We got a Sigma offstage. What about aura? That's another one. That's a new one you're going to learn. Well, there's beta, there's alpha. There's Sigma.

There's vibes. Fives is an old school. Vives is so good. Yeah. You know what? I'm really coming around a lot of this stuff. Really starting to be a player, as they say. J-MAC with the news

Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Hurd-Lie News You guys are going to laugh at me I got kids so I want to have some reference point With a lot of this stuff But it was a big day yesterday YOLO I used it in a sentence

Somebody asked me a question I said hey Yolo And the kids were like Boom daddy's got it All right, let's bring him on He was so good this weekend Marks Sanchez. He's got the Raiders and Saints this weekend. Raiders are playing hard. They're not winning much, but they're playing hard. So I watched Green Bay last night, and they're really young and they're really good. But I really, as I watched that game, I thought, this is really Matt LaFleur's baby. So you've done ram games. I think people look at McVeigh as a wizard. What he likes to do is run Kyron Williams 25 times a game. Josh Jacobs for LaFleur.

Huge pickup. Oh, my God. Like, I knew it was a nice player. I mean, he has transformed weirdly. He's transformed the offense. Well, it's all those running backs. And maybe they'll finally get the love they deserve this offseason when they re-up some of these deals.

But look at Sequin Barclay, the way he's elevated that Eagles team. Look at how much pressure it takes off your quarterback. And with Josh Jacobs and Jordan Love, I mean, their play action game comes alive, those big hitches in the pocket. And then he just launches the ball down the field to receivers who finally develop. in Dubbs and Watson, right? I think that was just a minor injury to Watson, so they have nothing to worry about.

Don't forget, Colin, I can't say this enough. This team has skins on the wall from last year's playoff run. They're young and age, not in experience. They are a great football club. Especially if you've got to go play them in the cold in Green Bay, they get somebody, you know, potentially like an Atlanta or somebody like that.

I mean, that's a real issue for teams on the road in that environment. When Jordan loves playing like this, their defense is giving them the ball back. And you control the game with Josh Jacobs on the ground. I mean, there's something to be said for that. They look like a special group. They could go deep.

So I thought it was interesting with Michael Pennix. I was actually impressed on two of the balls he threw away. I was like he has so many starts in college, Indiana and Washington, and with NFL wide receivers. And then he got to sit for 10, 11, 12 games this year. I thought he looked. Now, I know it's the giant. I thought he looked pretty poised.

So I thought this was a perfect formula to baptize your rookie quarterback before you got to go play a big game. And credit to Kirk Cousins for helping him out during the week. That's a really tough position to be in. So your heart breaks for the guy. But at the same time, you got to be a pro. And watching a guy prepare like that, these 11, 12 weeks that he got to see Kirk, how he got to see him pregame routine, how he got to see him watch film. It was obvious. Plus, the kid was already leaps and bounds ahead of some other guys that came in the league this year.

processing wise. And then what do you do for a rookie like that? You stack completions early. He can move, get him outside the pocket. There were shades of Jaden Daniels in that game. Like he looked a lot like Jaden. And when he moves in the pocket, he's so sudden. He freaks out the defense, man.

He scares him that he can pierce you quickly, at least get back to the line of scrimmage. So now you're not taking negative plays. Then I thought they did an excellent job in the ground game. Trust them Robinson. And then that opened up a ton of their play action. So Atlanta's got a lot in front. of them. They control their own destiny. They're going to be playing hard this week. Big one on the

road, but at least, you know, the kids got a notch in his belt. I've done it before. I've seen it. I've seen live reps. I can take a breath and get ready to go face that big monster, the commanders in Washington. I say it's not that you're great in the NFL. Often it's when you're great. The first time we knew Mahomes was different is that he was so good from behind, like down 13, 14, nothing. Jaden Daniel's fourth quarter, like he made mistakes. He trailed. That's like high level stuff the way he played. It's overcoming adversity.

And he was trying to give that game away early on. And that's against a really good Eagles team that can get after you. And you got to chase points. Those guys pin their ears back on the defensive line. It turns into a track meet. And they're just rushing you all day long. So that made his job even harder. And he still was so calm, so poised, plenty of completions, found a way to win the game.

And sometimes it's ugly. but all you got to do is win, especially late, meaningful football in December like this, find a way to win. As soon as you can get over that mistake, he did it immediately next drive. And I love what Kingsbury did. It was quick completions right after an interception, get the ball down to the running backs, stack me three in a row. Let's go three for three after that interception, get him back on track because we know when he's

feeling good, he can distribute the ball anywhere on the field. So I think those teams also understand when you have a rookie like this, whether it's the Falcons or the commanders. When you have a young guy playing like that, everybody's on notice. Everybody wants to make sure they get that extra strain up front for half a second just for him to get the football off. You know, that diving catch.

Like, we got to make it for this rookie. He's going to make some mistakes just because of his inexperience. But we got to be able to overcome that. I think both of those teams, the veteran roster guys on their team, understand that. Caleb Williams, nine games without a pick, O' and nine in the games. Does it mean he's not taking risks,

or chances, what do you make about? I mean, I think in some ways we're kind of overthinking it. I don't know if there's, you know, sure, you want to make mistakes. That's fine. That's what practices for. That's what kind of the rest of this year is for. Yeah. But it's not, I'm not saying I want him to go out there and throw interceptions.

If he's playing clean football and he's not missing wide open guys down the field, I'm fine with that. Don't give it away just for fun, just to practice. You know, it's not scout team reps. These are real live reps that are only going to help his development. And then that learning curve is going to get cut down. because he's going to have all this banked in his pocket. Every single play he gets, every one more play call, one more scramble, one more scramble

drill, whatever it is, every completion, that stuff matters. And he's just stacking good play after good play, despite all the chaos and everything going on, knowing there's going to be coaching turnover. That's going to pay dividends. That's just compounded interest, I guess, you know, and sweat equity. That's what you want. Over a long period of time, he'll look back on this year when they're at the 14 win mark, you know, owning the division in a couple years, potentially, like, then he'll look back and go,

man, I remember when it was really hard. I'm glad I focused. I'm glad I kept my head down. I'm glad I kept my mouth shut and just played hard. I know you don't do AFC games, but I want to ask you a question because I thought, during the break I thought about this. Generally speaking, when I see great quarterback play, I can identify why. Lamar Jackson. He's a world-class athlete. Josh Allen, similarly. Mahomes and Stafford, whatever you want to call the, armed talent, the ability cognitively to see stuff. Aaron Rogers, beautiful ball.

It's fascinating. When I watch Joe Burrow, doesn't have a cannon, moves fine. I said coming into the league, he's a better Tony Romo. I always loved Romo. I thought he was really good. This guy has got a battle line. Every game he's in is a track me. There are no close, low-scoring games.

He is so brilliant. but I can't identify aesthetically. Optically, it's not like canon moves well. Is he, how do you, when you look at Burrow and you don't do bingo games, but you see a lot of it. And you know enough people in the league. Even Herbert, 6-5, big, almost mechanically accurate. What is Burroughs secret song?

I think put them on any of these other 13-win teams. They're right at 13 or 14 wins as well. You know, I think he can. process with the top players. Process. He's so quick because if you can't run, let's say like Lamar, you're going to have to be more of a dropback guy, right? Whatever variation that is. And then if you don't have the strongest arm, well, then you've got to anticipate. Well, he's got to do both and he does them both at a high level. I mean, he's keeping these teams and his team in the game, most of the

game. But when you throw it 55 times a game, you're just inevitably going to throw more interceptions. You're going to have a couple more things that go wrong, right? Just, you know, think how basic it is. You hand the ball off from under center. You can either fumble the snap, mess up the exchange, or fumble the ball after you give it to the halfback. When you drop back to pass, I mean, three, four other things, negative can happen.

You can throw the interception. It could be incomplete. You could take a sack. You could get hit, sack fumble. I mean, there's just so many more things that go wrong. Every time you drop back to pass, and he has to do it almost 60 times a game. So if you're grading him or comparing him to some of these other quarterbacks, he's doing it just as well, if not better.

He's just on a rough team. And, you know, part of it is they just don't run the ball. Yeah. They just kind of don't. You think he's obviously accurate. It's processing some guys. Processing in anticipation, the accuracy, all three of those. And the other one, I mean, no matter who my quarterback is,

whether you can run like Lamar or you're a statue and have to throw from the pocket, I need you tough between the ears. Bottom line. And that dude's, I mean, you see the kind of standard he holds himself to. Oh, yeah. And he's one of those guys almost, you know, he doesn't understand. some of the social norms sometimes of like, hey, dude, you can't talk about people like that,

but he's literally saying it about himself. Right. And he wouldn't say it about other people if he didn't hold himself to that standard. Like, you know, one of my favorite stories of Jason Witten, I mean, that dude was like high caliber, tight end, cowboys. I remember he came out to the field one time

and just ripped the groundskeeper because it was like the second week of the season in September. And there was just like brown patches on the grass. He goes, hey, what the hell are we doing out here? Come on. Let's go, man. I'm here. I'm expected to do it right. We all got to do it right. Get this feel right. I was like, geez, what? But that was everybody. You know what I mean? Like the cafeteria staff, the people selling tickets, everybody was going to be at that level

because he puts him on that level. So Burroughs got shades of that. And that's what makes him so competitive. He's nasty competitor, an assassin. Yeah. All right, Mark Sanchez. We got Darnold stuff, which I can't wait to watch. Oh, Viking stuff's great. Yeah. And you got a really good game. That was a lot. That was fun. There was enough turnover and drama and great plays. It was one of the watches of the week. and you did a great job. We'll come back with that next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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late game, playmaking, not making mistakes. So you got some tape here. So I think it's really hard to separate him from this group. There's so much confidence. I know. And the late game success gives you more bona fides in that locker room. You got some tape for us.

Yeah, he's only getting stronger and stronger as the season's going on. That's what you want from your players. And then he's building up a trust, not just with the coordinator, not just with, you know, guys around it, but everybody in that building is starting to really gravitate towards this guy. And he added another notch in his belt this week on the road in Seattle. That crowd got into it. it was a tight ball game, field goal type game, back and forth the whole time he gets banged up on a play and the very next play hits the game winner in the rain on the road, in the noise.

I mean, while you're hurt, you're kind of limping to the line of scrimmage. I mean, that is what you want on tape for your guys to go back and see. And it's like, all right, we got our guys. So you're going to see some themes in a lot of these play actions. So the two hardest things to do in the NFL as a quarterback. one is drop back and pass, you know, 50 times a game. It's just mentally taxing. The other one is hard sell play action where you go downhill fake, low pad level by the O line,

and you turn your back to the defense because the picture can change. Those are two of the hardest things to do as a quarterback. He's doing this play action stuff as a lead as anybody in the league right now. And a lot of it is his feel and movement in the pocket without looking at the rush. He's keeping his eyes downfield. So let's roll this first clip. They're always going to use movement. They're always going to do something on office.

to try and give him some tips. Well, earlier in this ball game, they had been firing guys off the edge. At one point, they brought Witherspoon and Woolen off the edge and double corner cat at him and got a free runner. Thankfully, they had a run on. So everything was fine. But after that, he's on high alert. So his eyes are working back and forth.

And I love what they do on the edge for Justin Jefferson, just trying to free him up, either with motion, keep them off the ball. These traffic patterns are making it tough for this defense to try and figure out, where is he? How can we get physical with him? Are we doubling him? Are we zoning him? Are we manning him? But this is the stuff. The backside left tackle, remember, Darasaw goes down. They help Cam on the edge, the new tackle that they bring over from Jacksonville. And Sam has to, you have to be able to feel this behind you, almost eyes in the back of your head and kind of feel that colored jersey behind you. And look at him. Just get up subtly into the pocket, into the meat of the pocket. He's not escaping left and right. He's staying in there and we're watching what he's looking at. So they're trying to take a home run shot to Addison, who's a speedster in his own right. So if you double JJ, you better watch out for this kid.

So he's taking the post, trying to rip the top off the defense, and there goes Julian Love. So while Sam is moving, feeling that guy behind him, he's feeling that safety going deep. Now he knows, I'm going to play this game underneath. They zoned off the entire thing and put a guy, Job, number 29, with Jefferson, and he still runs away. So it's like box in one, right? zone everybody and then man their best player, they still can't stay with them. So now Sam is looking to high-low these defenders and find somebody underneath. Now it's like a four-man game with a little sizzle on top with Jefferson over the top. And he has a couple completions underneath. This is what

tells me he's seeing it and knows when he's ready to take a shot. He steps up and hits this ball on the run across the field with a guy chasing him. Nobody can stay with Justin. I mean, you can't guard the guy. It's unbelievable. And what's, they do for him why he gets so open and why Sam can find him. Credit to Keenan McCardell, the receivers coach, credit to West Phillips, the coordinator, Kevin O'Connell. I mean, they are constantly finding ways to scheme this guy open because now watch how they're going to play him. They're going to double team him on this one. So this time they line him up backside and go ahead and roll that clip. They're going to line him up backside. Use motion once again. Give Sam some

information. Everybody's just bumping over. He knows it's going to be zone again. Well, when you get zone and you put Justin Jefferson backside, your first look as an offense has to be, okay, how are they playing number 18? What are they going to do? And Rick Wollen and Julian Love have them. Most of his routes are going to be completely dead. You can potentially hit a whole shot on an outside release, something, but Sam's looking to see, okay, how are they playing this? How are they playing my other side? That's probably where I'm going to go on the play. Now, once again, he's looking left and right, making sure confirming the coverage, confirming it's not corner cats. I got no issues. Here comes the hardcore play action. And once he gets up in the pocket, again, he feels it on the

backside. He doesn't see it. He feels it. And once again, eyes in the back of the head. The tackle does a great job of just moving him all the way around, giving Sam a chance to step up. The difference on this one, when he gets up into this pocket is Nuwosu, their pass rush specialist. He's right here. And once he doesn't get penetration, he go, okay, I'm going to start headhunting the quarterback. I'm going to go find him. So Sam's stepping up, trying to read something to the right. Justin Jefferson on the left is completely dead. So look at these routes on the right. Once again, they're going to blow somebody through the top level of the defense. He's your home run. They're going to bring in Addison this time on the inside in route, the inbreaker, and then he's going to have a couple guys underneath. That's where the play is intended to go. Zero out of a hundred times is this play going to win the game going to Justin Jefferson at the top of the screen.

There's just no way. You'd stop the picture here when Kevin O'Connell went to the line of scrimmage. He knew or when Sam goes a line of scrimmage, looking at the defense, okay, JJ's dead. We're working our front side combo. The fact that he got this ball airborne on the way up to the line of scrimmage with two guys there, Julianne, Enrique Wolin, both doubling Jefferson, Jefferson has the wherewithal to get to that outside lane, the only place he could possibly put it, even though he knows he's probably not getting this football. as soon as that ball gets airborne, look at the nuances of this.

Outside shoulder, he gets to turn his body, put his body in between him and the defender. Love is like literally a nanosecond late to get to this football. I mean. Hasselbeck yesterday said that is the best throw Donald's ever made. Ever. Hands down. He couldn't believe it. No holds bar. Done deal.

And it's not what you intend to do. So you put some of that stuff on tape and you still get to your combinations and work the routes and get the completions. supposed to get and then you do stuff like that, now you're moving into that territory of those other players you talked about. Let me throw this out. I'm just thinking about this. Is some of what darn old feeling, you're in Seattle, you drop back to pass, you can hear the crowd. Does the crowd ever give you a tell like, dude, you're backside. You're getting in trouble. I don't know if it's that. I don't think I've ever heard the crowd there when you really hear the crowd is when you let the

ball go and don't see where the ball ends up and you you think you know where it was going. If you're on the road and the crowd screams, you got to get up fast because you probably have to make a tackle. Okay. You don't hear anything after the ball and it's just kind of a low, oh, you're like, okay, I can take my time getting up here. So when you hear the scream, get up. When you hear the scream on the road, you better get up.

One more thing to throw at you. You know, you look at the lions and they did that. trick play against Chicago. And Nick Ryad said earlier, you know, when Belichick would use that Edelman double pass against Baltimore, they'd practice that for 15 weeks. Oh, yeah, sure. There was no real need to do that other than for Ben Johnson to show the Chicago brass. I got a bag of tricks here. What did you make of that play call? I mean, I've seen it before at a shotgun where you direct snap it to the halfback and the quarterback jumps up as if, you know, it's an errant snap going over your head. Like, I've seen that.

I've never seen it like this. This was, you know, just a little cheeky. And another way they get back to their wide kind of throwback play. So the action's not that different. It really only changed two guys, the running back and the quarterback. And it's just a little, you know, sizzle on the play. I don't know if he's trying to do it for, you know, the coaching hire next year. That's a lot to speculate.

But it was, you're like, ooh, that was kind of nice. When you got an occasion, and Rex Ryan wasn't a big offensive trick play guy. But I always asked Edelman, how did you? you not give it away? How did you practice throwing? And he said, I went and got gloves on. I started catching with Tom on the sideline. Hey, let's go play catch. He's like, that wasn't for the catching. That was for the throwing. When you got a trick play, how do you demure? How does Mark be like, no biggie, it's just a fullback dive? If anything, you know, like on flea flickers and stuff like that or double reverse passes, you try and do a lot of the same mannerisms as a run play. So you,

you know, make the mic point. And then you motion the guy down. Hey, you guys. got the fourth guy strong you're right there you got 32 boom you almost like oversell it a little bit and they're like oh here comes a run we're good you know so okay but it's hard not to get giddy you know you're supposed to be a grown up but you're playing a kid's game so you're just like oh my god this is finally it you know the the the 18 toss throwback to quarterback where you get to catch the ball yes that was like oh that's the only play I ever wanted you know their whole career yes yes um you know i look at the mohomes playing uh the tax We have a minute left.

I watched Mahomes. It was actually faster off the injury. And it is weird. And maybe it's a, you know, people mock the dad bod, but there's a flexibility component to him. Donald got smoked this weekend. Oh, man. And came back.

When you're in the NFL by week four, aren't you? I was going to say, you never had a healthy week. No. Remember Rogers, the big D-tackle from the Browns? One time he landed all 380. pounds of them right on my calf. I had a bruised calf for like six weeks and you're just not the same and you're just fighting through it all the time knowing what it's going to be. But you also know as soon as you step on the field game day, like it's as good as it's going to be, I'm going to make it

work. I mean, you, a guy like Mahomes, LeBron's shot's not falling, I'm driving to the hole. Kobe, you know, Jordan, something's not right. Something's not perfect in my game today. I'm going to find a way to win. I don't care what it is if I have to have the game winning assist, if I have to sneak it to win it. Whatever it takes, I'm doing it. And you could tell he's got that killer mentality. Yeah, 36 sacks this year. Mahomes. Taking a beating, man. What was the biggest sack you ever had? Ooh. Numbers wise? Yeah. Well, we only threw it about 10 times a game, so.

Well, you had a good left tackle, too. Ground and pound, baby. Yeah. I was going to say, shout out Nick Van Gold and Prick and Brandon Moore. You got a good O line. Woody. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Happy, happy new year. Happy New Year to Mark Sanchez. You've done. Just remember. There's mid, there's mid, and then there's J-MAC, right below that. Merry Christmas. You were sacked, you were sacked 39 times in year three.

Ouch. Yeah, that's a load, dude. And you're, what are you, 6, 3, 220? 250. No, you're not. 2.30, 235. That's a lot of sacks, brother. Thanks, Colin.

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