The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 – Jake Paul Bouts

Episode Date: December 22, 2021

Colin talks about Jake Paul’s young fighting career, NFL insider Albert Breer joins the show, and a game of “Get the Bag”. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Herd brought you by Jersey Mike Subs, Be a Sub Above. I have friends texting me. They're going to go watch Man on Wire tonight. There's also a free. solo. Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, not obviously. Tight rope walking is insane. But, yeah, pre-clining of

Mountain is not on my list of things. I'm looking to accomplish on the site. The there is a lot of righteousness sometimes if you like events. People get caught up on what's real and what's not real. But again, I generationally

grew up on Daredevil. So when Evil Caneval was at Caesar's Palace, That was as big as anything. Ali, Frazier, Madison, I grew up with a lot of events. There were daredevils. There were these big fights in New York or Vegas. Well, I think when it comes to combat sports, there's, I don't want to say, you know, religion isn't the right word. But there's a bit of a spirituality to two men or women getting in a ring and trying to cause harm to each other.

And we are witnessing it, rooting for this. this activity. It's extremely violence. So we want there to be some kind of, you know, something to it that removes that. And when you do things like the Jake Paul thing, it becomes a bit, I don't think so, but it has a hacky feel to it. And I think that's where people are like, get righteous about it. Yeah, I think when we, to me, if you take sports too seriously, I've always said, I'm a sportscaster with a very large audience. So people have decided to choose me as part of their sports diet. Right.

And my rule has always been, love your life, like your sports. If I have to give up sports, I would. I'm not giving up my family. I'm not getting, so it's like, I think when you get too serious and too rigid about it,

it's like, it's fun. Is Jake Paul against Labian Bell tomorrow? Would you watch it? Yes. Don't think less of yourself. There's, well, that I think is what plays into it too.

It's that, you know, you are a fan of this sport. You enjoy this sport. you maybe you study this sport, you've been a fan for a long time, you have a certain criteria for what you determine as, you know, high level of competition. And then here is essentially someone who's, we're only paying attention to because they're famous for something else other than the sport.

And also, I mean, do you like the Olympics? Well, we know that we have much more capital, much greater training facilities than many of the countries we face. So it's not really even, but it's, we root for the flag. It's patriotism. I don't care about curling. I do strangely when it's American against blankety blank. So we have all this in our sports all the time.

We make exceptions. We root for the flag. We root for entertaining. We root. And I'm just here for it. I cannot talk about regular season baseball games. They're just simply not that compelling to me. But if you give me a high wire act, daredevil, the Olympics.

That's why I've said about the World Cup. It's Marty Graw with a ball. Even if you don't love soccer, and I do love the United States. men's and women's national teams, but I don't sit and watch MLS all the time, though I do like it. My mom was from England. I went to Europe as a kid. I watched the World Cup. I kind of got into it.

I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I've always liked soccer more than the average sportscaster. And it's new. It's this generation of kids love it. And so it's like, you know, it's fun. It's fun to be part of. But part of the World Cup is the pageantry of it. It's fascinating.

The Ivory Coast with their resources can go foot to foot with us or a Canada. and it's like, it's really spectacular, and there's so much humanity to it. It's beyond just wins and losses in sports. Well, I think it's, I think it's a separation of entertainment and competition. Yes. So if you look at the Paul fight as entertainment,

then you feel fine about it, because you pay for all kinds of different entertainment. You watch movies, you watch all kinds of things that aren't necessarily, you know, fair or righteous competition, but are entertainment. Yeah.

And that's where the purest get into it. Like, is he's not really a great fighter, and it's not really boxing and it's not good for the sport. Like, we'll have the conversation about where he ranks and actual boxers when he starts fighting boxers in their prime. Right. But he's not doing that right now. So I'm comfortable watching this as entertainment.

And I'm breaking it down within the confines of what it is. And by the way, UFC was a new sport. We may have a new sport. And it's called Celebrity Boxing. And Jake Paul's the best at it. That very may well, all the tough guys in Hollywood, all the tough guys in America. We may have a new sport.

called celebrity boxing and Jake Paul is the Ollie of it. And if that's the case then let's just watch it. I'm for new stuff. I was supportive of UFC years ago. I worked at the other place and I went to my bosses at ESPN and this is 20 years ago.

And I said if I was you, I would consider buying this sport. And remember what UFC was when it started. It was not what it is now. I gouging and so it was getting thrown off cable and the Fratita family in-law Vegas, they own the station casinos,

Palistation, all that stuff. They're great casinos. They're, you know, big shots in Vegas. They, I think they bought the thing for $12 million. And then, it was something thereabouts and sold it for $6 billion, you know, a little over a decade later. But I remember going to ESPN bosses, like the number two in Command 3. I said, all my buddies in Vegas and L.A. are totally into this.

It's a little rough around the edges. And you got to remember in the Northeast, all these baseball, fans and very austere. We're going to fencing classes. And I'm like, yeah, these people are beating on themselves in her octagon. Everybody's into it. George Clooney's there. Cindy Crawford's there.

My buddies are there. People are betting on it, blah, blah, blah. And so everybody was too cool for it. Well, look what UFC is now. Look at MMA. You've got multiple designations, multiple bellatar, whatever they call it, UFC. So it's like, we may just have a new sport. Celebrity boxing.

Yeah, I think it is because they're going to be. going to continue to make money off of it. And if his goal, if Jake Paul's goal is to make millions and millions and millions of dollars, then he will be able to do that. Now, if that changes and he wants to really be considered and evaluated amongst the ranks of, you know, refined boxers who have been doing this for their entire lives, then that's a different conversation. But I believe there's a crossover. Like, he's not in that lane right now. And that's fine with me because I'm just entertained. I'm not, I'm not evaluating him as like, as, like, is, you? he going to step into the other side of the sport?

Well, when I grew up, basically the media was a lot of newspapers, ABC, NBC, CBS News. Nobody had opinions. And then the Murdoch family came over here from Australia and said, well, the media leans left. What if we just do a right-leaning network? And it was a wild hit after about three years that beat CNN. And then Bill Gates and Microsoft and NBC said, what if we create a network on the other side? It is called MSNBC. And so cable television, now news doesn't get any ratings on cable TV.

Opinion does. So that is an entire industry which has made a lot of people rich, is employed. All of us in this building is opinion in news. You still have the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS. Fox's going to go right. MSNBC is going to go left. And they're absolutely have wildly popular tribal followings. And it's like, it's just new industry.

That was not even an industry. in the 70s. You wouldn't have considered a news anchor rooting for a candidate, bashing a candidate. That was not even considered an option. You would lose your job on that. For that matter, it didn't exist in sports either. Now, we pay cable anchors six times what David Muir on ABC News makes. And he's fantastic, right? I think he's the number one guy. But if you can get numbers on cable or talk radio, you make much more money. That's more in demand from the public. So that's the way I look at all this Jake Paul stuff. I just, I'm always looking for new stuff. I mean, all this tech in Silicon Valley,

it's all created for one or two reasons. Number one is to make our life faster and easier. Efficiency, apps. Make it faster. I mean, you used to have to have a roll decks and a phone, an alarm clock. All of it is on my phone. And so I just look at Jake Paul as like, it's just something new. If you like the UFC, it was, I remember the first time I watched UFC. I was with my friends Brian and Nancy from Portland. We were in San Francisco for the weekend to have fun. I'd never seen it before. We walked into a sports bar, Joy.

I'm not sure if it's there still called the Condor. It was a little rough. We were having a final beer and go to bed, right? And we walked in and there was like, it was a sports bar. Not the most glamorous. The Condor, San Francisco, walked in for a beer. It was by the hotel. They had 12 screens. And UFC was on nine of them.

And it was rough. That was the eye-gouging era. and then the Fertitas bought it and Dana White, and they cleaned it up because they wanted, and people complain when they clean it up. Oh, you know, oh, I like all the eye gouging. It's like, no, Budweiser's not going to advertise if you have eye gouging. Like you want big boy advertisers. So those people that all complain, they still watch it, they still love it.

But you got to get me in. Right. You got to get my wife in that she'd sit and watch a fight. It can't be that brutal. So once again, the idiots are like, no, you're softening the sport. It's like, yeah, that's what you do to build the capitalization of it. and to bring the advertisers in and to be able to bring, you know,

people beyond the diehards into a sport. And also to grow the sport amongst young people. Nobody's allowing their child like, oh, like you want to train to be a UFC fighter? Like, yeah, they're probably going to get their eye gaugged out. Like, no, sport dies. You have to bring young people into it. That's, that's, I have a friend in Los Angeles that always says that about football.

His son's going to play college football. He's a quarterback. And he says, in Los Angeles, which leans very, very left. He goes, in my neighborhood, I'm considered crazy for letting my son play football. He said if you go to Texas or the south or the Midwest, it's like you go tailgate. It's your Friday after work. He's like, in Los Angeles, I'm the weirdo. And it's so, I mean, everybody's got different opinions on stuff. Some people are precious. Some are diehard. So I think you and I fall into some stuff in what we cover is simply for entertainment.

That's what All-Star Games are for. I feel that all-sports is entertainment. That's why I get very, very protective of fans who get upset or want to leave early or complain. Like the fans are the reason this all exists. They're the ones paying for this. Like if I don't want to sit here and watch the rest of this crappy game and skip traffic, I have, I paid for this game. I can't leave. I got to sit here to prove I'm a good fan. Like what are you talking about? It's like it's a fan competition or something, the fan police. Like it's it's for the fans, all of this, for whatever it is that you like to do. Like people work really hard. Yeah. They have families. They set aside their money to go and watch

games or watch fights or watch whatever they want to watch. Years ago, because the Northeast is more steep than tradition. Years ago, I complained about this at the other place. And I used to get a bad bad feedback on this and pushback. And I said, I don't like Yankee Stadium. The old Yankee Stadium, I said, so you're asking me as a season ticket holder. Let's say I'm an attorney and I walk to the Bronx. I'm an attorney in the Bronx. I walk to the game. There's on a single place in the old Yankee Stadium, I could have a legitimate dinner and watch the game. You had to go get a hot dog. The food choices sucked. And everybody was like, you don't go to a game for food.

No, no, no, no. If I'm a lawyer, you're up in the deck, upper deck. I'm sitting downstairs. I'm paying $36,000 for those seats. You can have options that are beyond a hot dog. And so even within a stadium, there's the beer drinkers and the partiers upstairs, but you've got to give people multiple options. And I've said this, sports is so much better today.

because if you want to go she, she and bring your beautiful wife and she want sushi and a glass of wine, Dodger Stadium gives you that. If you want Budweiser and sitting the upper deck, Dodger Stadium gives you that. I just want more options for all my sports. Yeah, and stadiums are incredible without that. Like every stadium you go to now has local options.

They have got like mom and pop shops that open spaces inside of the arenas and inside of the stadiums. Like they have everything you could possibly want for your experience. there they have. I root for more better. Just keep giving me more cool stuff at stadiums, more sports. If celebrity

boxing is a new thing, I'm in. There's a couple of Hollywood people I'd like to see get knocked upside the head by Jake Paul. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine

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it is I was talking about this earlier the C-Hawks are trying to pull off a Rams and the Rams do it better so both of them give up their first round picks right for big moves the difference is the Rams give up their first round picks and get Matt Stafford and Jalen Ramsey

the Seahawks that don't draft as well got more desperate and went and give up three picks and a player for Jamal Adams, a box safety who's hurt again. And so you look at both the Seahawks and the Rams, and you're like, oh, they've got star quarterbacks. They're very aggressive. But I think just because you're aggressive doesn't mean you're smart aggressive.

You know, I'm not moving all my money to Bitcoin. I don't think that's smart. I'm going to keep some in banks and cash and real estate and all that stuff. So Seattle's been hyper aggressive, but I think it's to mask really bad draft picks. They didn't have a pass rush, so they had to go give up stuff to get Carlos Dunlap, who's been good, and they had to give up stuff.

That's not the Rams. The Rams are very good, 14 of their 22 starters, many of them excellent like Aaron Donald. They drafted, they've got a good scouting department, they don't whiff on much. They're just adding really great players to a really shrewd, smart culture. They do great bargain shopping,

OBJs, or run a player for a year, Sony Michelle, like bargain. Von Miller paid nothing. They gave up a couple of draft picks, middle round draft picks. So it's like to me, when I look at the Rams, I am for giving up first round picks. With Seattle, I'm not. Because Seattle is not supplementing great draft picks.

They're having to make big whiffs and trades and swings because they've missed on so many first round picks. I mean, Rashad Penny's a bust. L.J. Collier's close to a bust. like that's two of their last four, two of their last three, I think first round picks. That's not the case. So you look at these two and you think same division, out west, star quarterbacks, great coaches, big aggressive swings. One, Seattle is doing it to compensate for a lot of whiffs.

L.A.'s not. They're just like, we're good. We draft well. But good God, we can get Jalen Ramsey. He's way better than any first round pick we get. We can get Matt Stafford for a first round pick. You can't get Matt Stafford in the first round. None of these quarterbacks are going to be Matt Stafford.

So they may look outside like it's star quarterback, star coach. But the Seahawks have been for several years a house of cards. The Rams aren't. And that's why one is going to potentially win the division and win the Super Bowl. And one to me is actually in a rebuild. They just don't want to admit it yet. Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, COVID is out here again. Yes. The new variant is called Omicron. Omicron. They say most people that have it now have this variant. The most people that have COVID have this, like 70%.

It's the most prominent variants of COVID. And it's milder, but much more contagious. That's what it appears to be the truth, yes. And, you know, sports leagues are trying to figure it out. And the Chiefs are the latest team dealing with a COVID outbreak. So Tyree Kill was added to the list on Tuesday, joining Travis Kelsey, who went on the list on Monday. They currently have 13 players on the COVID list, including seven starters. Chris Jones is not great.

They are set to face the Steelers on Sunday. So the new protocols require testing among vaccinated people only when they are symptomatic or high-risk close contact or as a part of a targeted testing among a certain group, such as a position room. So someone has tested positive in the room, they test everybody, so on and so forth. So vaccinated players and staff who are asymptomatic for at least 24 hours can return as soon as the day after their initial positive test if they test negative twice. So I know I just said a bunch of stuff, but the protocols have dramatically changed from what they were at the beginning of the season. And guess what? They're probably going to change again because that's how this goes. None of us know what's happening.

Every day is a different story. There's new information. There's new studies. There's new results. Doctors have different recommendations. But it seems that because of this variant not being as intense and punitive. as the other variants have been or original COVID, it seems that it's safer to allow players to play earlier.

Also, one of the great things about America, we've always known this, America is the best place in the world of the 210 countries or whatever, to have an idea and get it to the market and get it approved. And that's why people from Canada and Europe often want their companies over here as well. We greenlight and streamlined businesses. now we've got a COVID pill. That's going to be pretty close to the market.

There is a new vaccine now for Omicron. People, I believe, who discovered it this morning? Walter Reed. Walter Reed Hospital in D.C. So the best of the best are in this country. And you can say whatever you want about presidents and protocols. But we got this thing through. We've done, considering it caught us totally off guard.

A pretty good job. I'll say this again. Most of these sports leagues have been better run than state. I think the commissioners have overwhelmingly been fantastic. Without question. And have been much more cooperative and collaborative. The Players Association and the owners and the players. And over 95% of these players and executives are vaccinated.

So it's like, I know we're going to pay attention to Cole Beasley. And we're going to spend all the time on that. But in fairness, he's unique. In that locker room, there's not many Cole Beasley's. He had a choice. I'm not going to dog cuss him on there. He had a choice. now it's hurting him here.

He's going to be out for a while and Buffalo needs him. But nonetheless, there was not a mandate. Cole Beasley had a choice. He's like, I'm not going to get vaxed. He was able to play. But now that he tests a certain way, now he's going to be out. But it should be noted. Vaccines never said you couldn't get it.

You just get a less severe case. I'm not going to go into that. That's the obvious one that we talk about for two years. But Cole Beasley made a choice. I'm not going to sit and beat up Cole Beasley. No, and he followed the rules he was supposed to follow. You have a choice. There are no mandates.

Now, nowhere in this country. There's no vaccine jails for the unvaccinated, despite what anyone is trying to pitch you. And I think they've done a tremendous job. And it's, look, everyone's dealing with this right now. So the chiefs may get some of these guys off before the game. They play the Steelers. Obviously, having seven starters out is not ideal. We showed the list.

It's a lot of very important guys, including their kicker, Harrison Bucker, who's out. So, you know, they'll have to find their way through it. luckily the chiefs are in a good position as of right now, the way that they've been playing as of late. So Matthew Stafford has always put up big passing numbers in Detroit, despite not having a lot of team success. But you talked about this earlier. He's hit a milestone that is pretty shocking.

He reached 50,000 passing yards in the Rams win over the Seahawks. So he became the fastest quarterback to do that in just 182 total games. That doesn't seem right to me. It's almost like Detroit borders Windsor, Connecticut. they're using some Dewey Decimal system up there that doesn't work because it doesn't make sense to me that it's better than Fav and Peyton, it doesn't make any sense to me. Well, in Detroit in his 12 seasons, he had 62.6 completion percentage, 45,109 yards, 282 touchdowns and 144 interceptions. For all bad teams. Yeah, they had a 7490 and one regular season record.

Now, is this the reason why? Because they mostly trailed and he had to throw late. Maybe. I mean, if you ask our colleague Rob Parker, that's what he would. You tell you that he, what did he call him? Stad Padford? Statt Padford. Yeah. For a long time. I mean, there might be some of that. Is that he's throwing more because they're behind and, you know, it's some garbage time numbers, but I'm not going to diminish what this accomplishment is. But when you saw that stat, didn't you go, the hell? Well, when you evaluate Matthew Stafford's

career, and this was, this was my question with him coming to L.A. is that we all talk about how incredibly talented he is. Yes. Because we have eyeballs and we could see. that. And we all know how just functional Detroit is and has been for a very long time. So the question was, what can somebody who we can clearly see as talented do in a functional, talented, well-coached, good culture environment that the L.A. Rams are. And now we're seeing it. It's not been perfect. It's certainly been a little clunky. But he now has to win. Like the answer is for his career is that he now has to win because he's always put up these statistics. I think that's an incredible stat, but I do think some of it

might have to do with that, because if you look at the team success, it hadn't been there in Detroit. Yeah, he trailed a lot. He also played right out of the gate. He never sat. He walked into a passing offense. It's just, it's just it. But he's also very talented. So if you're

talented, you can get them all to your receivers. But God, he's played in cold weather road games outside in Detroit and in Green Bay. I just would not have guessed him. I would have guessed. Who would you have guessed? Who would you have guessed? God, Peyton Manning through a lot early, a lot. I'll be honest with you.

Aaron Rogers did not have a great running game. He does now. But he also didn't play for his first years. You're right. You're right. You're right. Carson Palmer on those bad Cincinnati teams when he had to throw because they were always trailing. The key is the fastest to get there.

That's like, that's the hook. It's very interesting. It is. It's just history of the league, Matt Stafford. to the fact that he did it in Detroit, never had, by the way, did he ever have great offensive linemen? He had a couple great receivers.

Pretty impressive. So the Cardinals started the season very strong, seven-game win streak, but they've struggled recently and have lost their lead in the NFC West race. And Cliff Kingsbury pointed to another team that battled through a slump this season to show his confidence in his team

turning things back around. I think the nature of this league is that at some point you're going to hit adversity. You look at the chiefs start at three and four, and then one seven just at a different time in their schedule. And so it's just how you respond and how you handle it. And we have a prideful group. We have a veteran group that, you know, wants to get better after yesterday

and understands what we have in front of us and what's still out there for. So we'll work really hard this week and try to be much improved on Saturday. It's a cliche, but it's so true. There are no undefeated teams. You're going to have to deal with losses, temper tantrums, fissures in the room, injuries of COVID. So it's like folks, you're all dealing with crap.

It's how you handle it. Well, it's been a very wild year. And I think we say that every year when it comes to injuries, but it does feel like there's a lot of parity this year. And that's what's fun to me about it. We had a great college football season for various reasons, but

extremely competitive. We have a non-power five. We have Michigan finally in. Like, it's fun. And because there is no team that is head and shoulders above everyone else this year that's just dominating. Yeah. It's wide open. And we have two teams right now, potentially three, that are totally run-driven.

The Colts, the Eagles, and Tennessee if Derek Henry comes back. So three of our 14 teams are going against what kind of the league tendencies are. So, I mean, we've had a lot of different stuff, and I agree with you, there is no great. Kansas City is really good, but even Kansas City, I don't feel they're as good offensively as two years ago. I don't feel they're, and now we've got COVID issues, so they're not as good offensive.

So everyone is, everyone's dealing with that to start. And then the injuries and what, it's really going to be who's most healthy and who's the most available throughout the postseason. But it's going to be a fun one regardless. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Lide News. You know, Albert Brewer is joining us Monday morning quarterback. I was thinking about this as I'm talking and listening to Joy here. He's joining us live. You know, it's funny. I was looking at the top 10 draft picks. And oh Lord, it's just I feel sorry for some of these players. It's some of the worst cultures in the league.

It's the Jets and the Jags and the Texans. And Philadelphia is not a bad culture, but it is interesting when you get multiple picks. And I watched Jalen Hertz last night. And I'm saying, listen, it's not artistic here, but we have unconventional ways to win in the league. And do you think they take a quarterback with their first pick in Philadelphia? What do you think they land privately on Jalen Hertz? I think they're happy with him, but not convinced that he's their long-term answer, which I think gives them flexibility going forward, Colin.

And what that means is they have the three first-round picks. If they don't like Kenny Pickett or Matt Corral or one of the guys that's available, they can punt on it. They can sniff around into Sean Watson and Russell Wilson and Aaron Rogers, but they don't have to feel compelled to overpay for any of those guys. So I actually think Jalen Hertz puts them in a really nice position, where, like, you know, you'd obviously rather have your, you know, no doubt about it, next 10 years he's our guy quarterback.

But based on where they were coming out of the Carson Wentz situation, where they drafted Jalen Hertz, this is actually a really nice spot to be in. Again, it gives them the flexibility where if with those first three picks, they want to rebuild different parts of the roster. Remember, they're aging in some spot. They're aging on the defensive line. They're aging on the offensive line.

They can go ahead and do that, build a better infrastructure around Jalen Hertz, and give them even another shot to prove he can be the franchise quarterback. back next year. If they fall in love with somebody up there, they really love Kenny Pickett. Maybe they go in that direction. Maybe they take a big swing on Deshaun Watson. But the best thing I think comes out of this for the Eagles is the flexibility that having Jalen Hertz creates for them because clearly they've shown that they can win with it. Okay, it's one thing for Seattle not to make the playoffs. It's another to finish in fourth place and well of an under 500. I mean,

Russell Wilson was prickly in the offseason and they won 12. So something's going to happen here. What is your gut feeling on what they do? Pete's got a lot of power. He's got more power than John Snyder. The current owner of the Seahawks is Paul Allen's sister, not a big sports fan. I'm not sure she says in game. Paul Allen would make a move tomorrow. I'm not sure right now ownership would. What do you think they look like in a year? I think they're in rebuild. And I think they've got to be very honest with themselves about where they are. And look, Colin, I was sitting here a year ago and I would have told you they got to do everything they can to keep Russell Wilson on board. It's a win now roster. They've got a 70-year-old head coach who's won a championship for them.

Do everything you can to keep Russell Wilson on board. This feels different. This feels like sort of a natural ending to the story of Russell Wilson in Seattle. And maybe the best thing for all parties is for them to move on. I think you look at their roster. How many guys on that roster are young enough where you can say, that guy could be a cornerstone for the next four or five years? That guy's good enough and young enough where he could be a cornerstone for the next five years. Maybe you can say that about D.K. Metcalf and Jamal Adams is or anyone else? I like the line. Brown's older.

I like the linebacker Brooks, but I, I, I, a D.K. Metcalf, I'm not convinced he's a number one. I think he's a number one talent. I don't know if I can get, I don't know if I can get nine targets and eight catches a week. I think your question is valid. I think they have to move Bobby Wagner. I really do.

Right. And I, I, I just look at it and it just feels like this is the time for them to turn the page and blow it up. Russell Wilson still has two years left on this deal. He's only due $50 million. over the next two years.

So that contract should be very tradable. This is when his value on the trade market is going to be at its highest. They don't have a first round pick next year because of the Jamal Adams trade. You just add the whole thing up. And it's, are you going to be able to win over the next two years with Russell Wilson? Is Russell Wilson going to want to return? Because there's been an assumption internally there that Russell Wilson has done his last contract in Seattle to begin with.

It just feels to me like you add all those things up, the need for a rebuild, where Russell is in his career. And Russell last year, all that stuff. was about kicking off the second half of his career and finding a way to make all pro and finding a way to be in a position to compete for championships and finding a way eventually to get in the Hall of Fame. And if he didn't think that 12-win Seattle team was good enough to get them there, I mean, I don't know where you would think that the five-win Seattle team would have them in position to do that after this year. And so this feels to me like it could be like Detroit, you know, where they have a meeting at the end of the season and everybody decides

that the best thing for everybody involved is to move on. And then that would be a benefit to Seattle too because they'd be able to get ahead of the quarterback market when there are more suitors out there. So I was texting Matt Nagy the Bears last night. I think he's realistic about what's happening in Chicago. It's very interesting. Joy and I've talked about this multiple times. Usually there's seven to eight new coaches. Urban and Gruden, there's two. Nagy feels like a third. And then I like Vic Fangio mostly. I think they're well coached. I just don't think they're dynamic a quarterback. But your guess on what happens to Matt naggy and if he's gone, what are they going to look for? The market for the next guy?

So I think there are two roads they can take and I'm assuming Matt's going to be gone. You know, one road is the obvious one. You got a young quarterback bringing an offensive guy to develop him. And so, you know, I think you look at a couple of different guys. Like, do you hold on to the general manager, Ryan Pace, if he convinces you that he can land Sean Payton? I think that's one name to just sort of keep an eye on. I don't know if Sean want to leave New Orleans, but if I'm the Bears, at least asking Josh McDaniels, I think is another one. He interviewed there previously. I think he'd be really good for Justin Fields.

He was, he, he, uh, he vetted Justin Fields ahead of the draft last year. Obviously, the Patriots were looking for one. So that's one path you could take is looking at like sort of the quarterback gurus. Then there's the other piece of this, which is the owner there, George McCasky's been really involved on the minority hiring front. And so like I sort of wonder, is that a place where, you know, you look at like a young rising guy, like a Byron Lefich, or maybe somebody who like has experienced in the league who you see some potential in that like a Vance Joseph or Todd Bowles, guys who kind of gone

and rebuilt their stock and now are worthy of a second chance. And so I think those are the two things you really have to kind of keep in mind here is the work that George McCasky, the owner, is done in an effort to make the NFL coaching ranks more diverse and then of course what their needs are going to be as far as finding a way to get the most out of Justin fields in the short term so i defended john harbaw because i've said this before you never lose a locker room going for two or going for it and fourth down and you can lose games you can't lose locker rooms and players are alphas and aggressive and they love going for it and uh huntley is a unique backup that you can do multiple things with there was a lot of pushback

to harbaugh what is your takeaway i know we're a few days removed what was you your takeaway on that what are you hearing i mean my takeaway is just john's got a good sense for where his team is i think he's done a fabulous job coaching that group i mean you look at where they're at they're down both their tackles that are out down their top two running backs their number one number two cornerbacks their quarterback was down on sunday and so i i think you know it's been miracle work that they've done there over the last couple of months you know and i think that like the decision on sunday was really an acknowledgement of that Colin it's like you're looking at it with your team and you're saying, we've got to beat Aaron Rogers at least once here. There's 42 seconds

left on the clock. Can we trust our team can beat him twice? Right? Because if you go for two there, then all you got to do is stop Aaron Rogers once the game's over, you win. If you kick the extra point, the game's tied. Now you've got to beat Aaron Rogers to get to overtime, and then you have to beat Aaron Rogers in overtime. And so to me, as much as anything else, it was sort of an acknowledgement of where his team is. It's, I don't know right now if I've got the gas in the tank, to keep this fight going with Aaron Rogers. I don't know if I can go into the 11th round and the 12th round with Aaron Rogers. So I'm going to try to knock him out now and see what happens.

And from that standpoint, I think as much as anything else, and we can argue about the analytics all we want. I think a lot of these decisions come down to what these coaches have on hand at the time. And I think John Harbaugh is just playing with the sort of hand where when he's got the chance to knock out an opponent like an Aaron Rogers, he has to take it. Good stuff, Albert Brewer. Have great holidays, my man.

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but he gets better every year and in the things that matter to me, completion percentage, super accurate, 69%. He can move. He can go deep. Yards per attempt, 8.4. So I get over the top, over the stop running. I get accuracy. To me, he checks all the boxes. I don't really care as much about the

size. I do care about the injuries. You know, his body language can wear me out, but this talent is to me transformational, so he gets the big bag. Jalen hurts. No bag, because he can move around a lot, but I haven't seen the accuracy throwing the football. Right now, his accuracy completion percentage is 58. Now, he's young. This is year two, so let's not go crazy. I'm not expecting him to be a refined product, but it is pretty choppy to watch. He doesn't necessarily see the field as well as a Kyler. He doesn't throw the ball as accurately as Kyler. I do think the offense as a whole is a handful. But right now, I need another year to see. I need until next Thanksgiving. I need 10 more starts. Can he give me a 62 and a half percent completion percentage? At this point, I don't see it.

How about Daniel Jones? No bag. What worries me about him. I always thought he was a reach. He's not getting better. So what's happened in the last three years, his touch as the receiving options have gotten better, they've spent money on Goladay, and then they drafted Tony. Well, his TD passes have decreased. So the O-line's better today than three years ago. The receivers are better. But his touchdown passes have decreased as they give him more talent. So what that tells me is he is totally plateaued. This is what he is and this isn't good enough to pay big money. I'll bet this one gets a Santa size bag, but Justin Herbert?

I may bring two. Everything you want. Size, mobility, smarts, accuracy, humility. I mean, listen, he's 12 career games with three plus touchdown passes. In the first two years of his career, one of which he had the second worst old line. Only Dan Marino's equaled that. So, you know, the knock on him is he's a little. mechanical. To that, I would say

he has the same throwing motion every time. I can live with that. I think he just, I think there's boxes to check, and I think he checks all of them. The grateful, the physical, the big. He's also a kid. I've seen him take some shots. That's a big

old body. Like he's never been hurt. Right, here's an interesting one. Tua. No bag because he's been hurt four times. So regardless of what I think about him, he is smaller. I I've got a hip injury, an ankle injury, a rib injury, and a thub injury. Forget being benched last year.

Like, you have a right to grow. He's been hurt four times. He was hurt in college. And he's only averaging 10 yards of completion in the NFL. What does that mean? It's a little of what they call checkdown Charlie. Like, he doesn't do much over the top. So I don't get over the top mobility.

I get over the top accuracy, but I don't get big plays. So there's a way to play him. And with Jalen Waddle, you've got a big play receiver. So I cannot pay him big money. Joe Burrow. Somewhere between Little Bag and Big Bag, I'd probably, I'd love to have another season. I will say Big Bag because, again, the injury scares me. You can't have another one of those where you're ripping up the ACL and the MCL.

But what I like about him, and he makes mistakes, but he is a throw the ball down the field guy. Like, he's going to let it rip, and he has a very short memory. Some of his best games are after he made a bad pick early. So I got the size, I got the mobility, I got a little edge, I got cockiness without being defiant and over the top. I do, he's somewhere between the medium bag and the big bag, but as a general manager, I've only had one other great quarterback in the last 15, 20 years, Carson Palmer,

so I'm going to pay him. I'm not letting him go to market. So how about Baker Mayfield? And I'll try to be fair. No bag, because now I'm on the fourth coach and he's a 500 quarterback. So he's 29 and 28. and he's had different quarterbacks and different systems. Folks, when you have an offensive line in a running game like this

and your completion percentage is 25th, that's not good enough. If it was a low ceiling thing and he was completing 68% of his throw, as a Kirk Cousin's thing, I'd have to pay him. But I'm not getting the accuracy or the mobility or the attitude I like or the wins. And he's not checking boxes for me. I do think in Cleveland there's value to have in this sort of polarizing quarterback. I think he sells merch and tickets and the commercials. That part works.

But he's 30th and past attempts this year. And that's telling me the staff, because it's not an O-line issue. It's the best O-line in the league, right? The staff doesn't want him throwing. So if I'm a GM and my coaches don't want him throwing, I'm not giving him the bag. Mack Jones. Little bag, very promising start. We also have a history in this franchise where you don't need a wildly dynamic quarterback

in terms of out of the pocket. As the game is changing and I see my homes and Burroughs and Josh Allen's in the AFC, I am a little concerned that I'm going to have to have a better defense, but I am Bill Belichick. I got Bill Belichick as my coach, and he is the best coach ever, so I don't need some of the things other teams need. So he gets a bag, little bag. Another interesting one, Trevor Lawrence.

At this point, I know eventually I may have to give him a big, bag, so I'm not going to give up to him early as a GM. I'll give him a little bag. And I'll offer him a little bag right now. Number one high schooler, number one college, number one pick. He's a really great talent. I'm not seeing a lot of wow, but it was also the most dysfunctional situation in the league.

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