The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Jayson Tatum

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

Colin talks to NBA analyst Ric Bucher in studio about Jayson Tatum coming up short once again in the 4th quarterSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You've been covering this league, both of us. We've been covering it or watching it for 30-plus years. Usually the world champions at home play with a certain confidence in verb, if you will. They looked like Oklahoma City in game one. And I said this before. Great teams all have something in common. Even though this is a collaborative unit, you do kind of turn to the guy. even Pippin, Hall of Famer.

Michael, it's yours. Mikhail de Byrd, it's yours. Kobe and Shaq were different because they both were ones. But it does matter when two of the last three shots by Tatum were fallaways. It's almost like he has to be convinced to be aggressive, right? Yeah, well, he doesn't have a go-to spot. He doesn't have a go-to shot. And in looking at, look, after they won the championship last year,

and the way he played for the better part of the regular season, I thought I was seeing a different guy. I thought he had taken a step up in confidence. Prior to that, it was Jalen Brown who wanted the ball and was willing to go get it. And I saw more from Jason like he was willing to get it. But then I did a little deeper dive, and he was willing to shoot the three more

and be aggressive in shooting that. And he hit some clutch shots from three over the course of the season. So it gave you the appearance that he'd become more of that go-to guy. But it was at the cost of his midwere range game and finishing at the rim. He took fewer shots at the rim this season than he ever has in his career. And his mid-range went down as well. What compensated for that? He took nearly

half of his shots from three-point range. So now we're looking at your go-to guy who, if his three-point shot is not falling, which it has not in this series, what's he going to? And on the other side of the equation you have the New York Knicks who have the most clutch player who is comfortable playing at all three levels. Jason Tatum has morphed where maybe at the beginning of his career, you could say he was a three, you know, three level scorer. He's not now. Okay, so I'm going to throw this at you. Is that, and this is where I defended him. I said the, Danny Aange and Brad Stevens essentially are the franchise. They have built this passing, shooting, you know, it's a very offensive-minded franchise. And because Tatea,

is such a collaborative guy, he'll beat guys off the dribble, pull back three. Michael and Kobe would have fought this. They would have said, and I love the Zen Master. Phil Jackson knew there were moments. We're not running the triangle.

Michael's taking it over. This organization, it's almost like the GMs, have too much power. It's so analytically driven that Tatum, you can watch him. Rick, he'll beat guys off the dribble. Pull back. and take a worse shot.

You saw it in game one. I mean, Joe Mazzula said, hey, we took 63s, but they were good looks. So essentially, I'm good with us taking 63s. And the thought is, you shouldn't be good with that because you lost. And there are other ways to play the game. And maybe the best thing, not that I'm wishing that the Boston Celtics lose or not repeat, but perhaps the best thing for the game would be if they, get knocked out with their philosophy because it's a copycat league yes people believe that if you

take i mean i can literally tell you and and plenty of gms and coaches hate it but they've been told analytically they've been shown the formula if you take a certain number threes you have a better chance of winning versus teams that are that are following that formula okay but are they considering adam silver telling the officiating crews let it be muddied up well that's the huge difference here and that's what we're seeing that's why road teams By the way, my theory, why are road teams and underdogs doing well? Because if you have two teams, one with a better record with a home court advantage, a pretty offensive team, and the league goes, you can wrestle with them.

Well, the finesse team is like, whoa, and the wrestling team is like, well, this is who we are. So you're finding these teams like New York and Golden State, by the way, without Steph. They love grabbing and pushing. Tonight's game, I think Minnesota will win, but my take it, we're seeing all these underdogs win. the leagues allowing officiating that plays to the less aesthetically pleasing team. The grinders, the grabbers, and that's what the Knicks are. Well, essentially, it makes it a lower scoring game. Yeah.

And it becomes a possession by possession game. And you're right. And I don't know that we've ever seen the physicality that we've seen in this place. I love it. So do I. Right? Because it forces, the other thing it forces you to do, by and large, is if you're going to create shots, you have to run offense.

Real offense. Yes, real offense. You can't just come down and chuck shots or expect that you're going to get to the rim. Okay, so, oh, J. Mack threw this one out there. He said, if you get beaten five games or four, and I don't think they will, but you get beat by the Knicks. Brian Winhorse today said, listen, if they just keep their first round pick and fill the roster with a pick, they can't even bring Al Horford back.

They'll be over 500 million. He said, they're going to make moves here. And I do think, here's my. take is that we thought Denver was going to win multiple. And then they get rid of a, it was a Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown, KCP, Contavius, called the Pope. All of a sudden you look up

and you're like, Jeff Green, we're just, we're just a good team. Yeah. What would change that for Boston? Janus. So you go, Janus and Tatum, and now you have a true dog in the number one. And so my take is, if they lose, you're not, should you just

do it Denver and go, you know, we'll lose a couple pieces, but we'll be very good. you kind of have a passive star on this. And so I get my take is you have to make a move if you get shelled by the next. Do you not? I would expect that they would. I thought that they would carry the freight and you would pay the price if you win the championship and you have a chance of the three Pete.

You're almost obligated to try to bring everybody back. Al Horford, I can give or take. Essentially, if you're keeping the rest of that core, And by the way, a big factor here that we're not going to get into now, but Christophe's Porzingis, only being partially available, is a big factor in this because he's the one guy who has a mid-range game. That's where I would push back on you with Janus being the solution. Yes, he's going to bring more dog and aggression,

but he's not your go-to closer. Again, what you're seeing is the teams that are winning against this physicality, it's basically we're going to run you off the three-point line, and we're going to meet you at the rim, and we're allowed to body you when you're going to the rim, so you're not going to score at the same level. So what do you have for a mid-range game? The teams that are being successful all have mid-range scorers, and that's the one thing that Boston is missing with Chris Stapps-Prasingis not being available.

That's where he was key, and that's where he's most valuable. So I think when we think of the Warriors because of the Splash Brothers and because Steve Kerr is the coach and Steph Curry, we think offense. They're actually the league's best defense since Jimmy, Butler arrived. And the advantage of not playing with Steph is they can even, it's almost like hockey, you don't need anybody to protect

your Gretzky. Yeah. Curry may be gone. They can double down on physicality for them. Yep, yep. And who are you going to go after? Right, like Butler loves physicality. In a weird, now I'm not saying, I do think the Warriors can

win a game and push it to a six or a seven without Steph to you. I think it's possible. Because I think that their basketball IQ and their system trumps all the other advantages that Minnesota has. Minnesota is more athletic. They're deeper. They're more versatile. Big. Bigger. All of that. But basketball IQ and your system can negate all of that, as we saw in game one, right? Because you had Buddy Healed and any number of guys fitting in. Now, I do believe that Minnesota is going to be, they're going to respect Buddy Healed. And they're going to respect Draymond. Green and Gary Payton in a way that they didn't. That's right. In that first game.

And I think if you saw it down the stretch, once you tighten up on them, they're not the same three-point shooters. Right. Right. So, and by the way, the Warriors are an example of what you're talking about with Boston. They were the first team to run into, we won a championship, and then, but we did it on lesser contracts, and now we pay everybody, and now we can't add the pieces that we're, now we can't add the pieces that we would like.

No, I think Boston. You have to start handing them off. That's what Denver did, right? Yes, right. They had to get frugal. And on top of that, Adam Silver looked at it and said, I don't want anybody, or not Adam Silver, the owners without as much money, said, you can't let these guys just pay the luxury tax because they can afford to.

That's not fair because they're going to just keep adding players, right? And they're going to go get the free agents that get the buyouts, right, and join. And so Adam was like, okay, here's the compromise. We're going to take away all of your ability. Like, we're going to tax you even more. Yeah. And then we're going to take away the exceptions. We're going to take away if you make a trade.

It's got to be one for one. Like, we're going to make it so difficult for you to do anything with your roster, above and beyond what you have, that that is going to even the playing field. And that's essentially what you have. What teams are now facing? Yeah, no, I mean, we were theorizing earlier, why are there so many upsets? because there's not a great team. And Boston's the best team.

They're a good team. But, I mean, I watch Indiana, and I watched Indiana and Cleveland, and I'm like, if Garland's not playing, Indiana's a better basketball team. They're just a better basketball team. And what are those teams have in common, and the ones that are the up-and-comers, is that they haven't paid their stars yet by and large. You're not paying Andrew Nimhart yet. You're not paying Aaron Neesmith, right?

and and so and Oklahoma cities in the same in the same boat they really haven't had to pay anybody yet and the rest of the Western Conference there's a difference between one or two games between right between the second seed and the seventh seed so that parity is already there okay so uh this was I talked about this yesterday I think the Lakers and the Clippers but let's talk Lakers I think they're a bit diluted I think the marquee looks big the movie's not. This is a player that won't get in shape. Austin Reeves is undrafted and got overwhelmed athletically against Minnesota.

LeBron's older, and you can't ask him to play 75 games than be brilliant in the postseason. They don't have a big the coach likes, and I'm not sure the coach is quite ready to be next level yet. That's the movie. The marquee sound, JJ Reddick, LeBron, Luca, it sounds great. I'm not saying it's Ishtar, but it's not the godfather, okay? So the marquee is way better than the movie. You could fix that, though, if LeBron took the least he's allowed to take. And with that, my radio audience, Rick is shaking his head.

Why do you do that? So, so, he's got to shake. There's a couple things. Number one, you're not going to be able, you need to turn the page. You need to, it's not, we're not remaking the movie. We have a different leading star. That's fine. And we need to get him a different plot.

Yes, because we know. And a different supporting cast. We know he needs bigs because there's only one way to build around Luca. Size. Yes. You can't do it any other way. But you also have to make it his team. Okay, fine.

And as long as LeBron James is in L.A., regardless of how much he's making, LeBron James is that when you walk into the locker room, where you're going to look? There's Lucas locker and there's LeBron's locker. You're still looking at LeBron. They should trade him. No, I wouldn't say that because I don't think that they can get anything significant for him.

I'm just saying that you're not going to be able to build your next title contending team until LeBrona is gone. And I'm not ushering him into retirement. I'm not suggesting that he's, should retire, but he can take whatever he wants. First of all, he's making $52 million next year, okay? If you, they're, if you, if he signed the minimum and you let all of the cap holds

and the unrestricted free agents go, like the Jackson Hayes and the Alex Lens and all that, I think you would have $10 million worth of cap room. What's that going to do for you? I don't know that it's going to do enough. And that's not even counting the fact that you have to resign, presumably resigned Doreen Phenny Smith. You can trade Austin Reeves, can't you? I know, but what are you going to get for Austin Reeves?

How about that big guy in Brooklyn? Nick. Which big? Nick Claxton. Okay. Like, is that going to change you? Well, it gives you big. Because I don't know, but it's like, it's one piece that you need, and they need, like, three or four pieces.

Oh, I don't think they're a championship team. I'm saying if LeBron did that, it would get, I can't look at San Antonio, Oklahoma, city and Houston, all the picks and all the young talent. Yeah. This is the worst they'll ever be. Fair. And you want me to put the Lakers in that class? I can't.

No, no, no. Agreed. But if we're going to get, if we're going to get, let's say, essentially, we're going to give Luca Donch's theme that we last saw him have in Dallas, that he took to the finals, right? Which is that, that's the blueprint. Right. Right. You didn't have just Nick Claxton.

you had Derek Lively and Daniel Gaff. Right. So you had a big on the floor at all times. You had PJ Washington, who far better defender than LeBron James is right now. Maybe not quite the score or playmaker, but you didn't need that because you had Luca Donchitz. Right.

So I just look, and then, you know, they picked up Derek Jones off of the scrap heap. Oh, and by the way, you had Kyrie Irving, who played a monstrous role in the playoffs last year that's probably overlooked. Yeah. I don't have that quality of a number two. And no LeBron James isn't capable of being what Kyrie Irving was last year at this stage of his career.

So, again, like, it's for me, the heart of it is until you can start looking at this as we're building around Luca Dantzich, you're compensating the fact that you have LeBron James, your former superstar, still sitting there right next to him. Does that make... Am I... Yeah, I mean... Does that make... I just think L.A. is in the business of selling us movies. Yes.

And what the Clippers and the Lakers, to a larger degree, are selling us, is a really average movie with a great poster. When was the last time that the Lakers legitimately were a title contender? Take out the COVID year? So I'll give you the COVID year. It's still five years. Right, right. Yeah.

So we've... In our mind... We've always had them. Oh, they're just a piece away. They're right there. They could go. And yeah, I know they went to the Western Conference finals, got swept by Denver, but let's ask this. So let's just get down to the Yannis piece. Okay. Because we all felt with the Knicks. They need another piece. And maybe they do, but it may not be as big a piece as everybody thinks. Because maybe Brunson is a one, and he's not a top five or six one, but between bridges and OG.

and you're like, well, we don't need it because our two and our three and Josh Hart. So my takeaway is new information creates new opinion. I thought they got to make a big Janus move, and I'm like, well, Janus would be great because Brunson and Hart are great free throw shooters late, so you wouldn't have to have Janus necessarily close. Janus would give you leads, and Hart and Brunson ball in their hands get fouled. So I think Janus would make them, and to me, Janice Brunt, if you could keep,

but you'd have to give up so much to get him. I guess this is a question. If the Knicks knock off Boston, and they get to the Eastern Conference finals, and would they beat Boston, they can get to the finals, I'm sitting there thinking, maybe they just need another

McHale Bridges-level guy, or doesn't it not change how we think about the Knicks needing blank? Yeah. This series is changing how I think, if the NBA is going to allow tug-a-board during the playoffs, I'm not sure they need a lot.

No, I agree with that. I think it's wide open. I think Indiana Pacers and the New York Knicks both are capable of getting to the finals. They just keep changing big. So you keep Hart, Brunson, OG, Mikhail. And then you just every year or two try to get a big that fits. Yes. Here's the thing, though, and it's not as sexy as Janus going to New York.

And I agree with you 1,000%. What I want to pair him with is a dynamic, point guard who can be who's my closer that's what I want and so you have that ok Oklahoma City you have that in um where else am I thinking I looked at Orlando with Palo Bencaro as a point forward I think that works Houston not quite there Detroit I think is a is a great pairing with Kate Cunningham and those teams have young pieces and and draft capital. If I'm Milwaukee, would I, you know,

getting Carl Anthony Towns, I would rather have a number of picks and a couple of young dynamic players that I'm starting over with than going to try to get an established star and build around Carl Anthony Towns. I already saw that movie in Minnesota, and it didn't get

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and after watching that game, I had just visions of Knicks jumping over the Celtics into the Eastern Conference finals. Isn't that crazy? The NBA, you know, it's funny. Sometimes there's unintended consequences and unintended benefits of allowing stuff. So the NBA is like, we're going to allow the most physical playoff action we ever have. and what it's done, it's given the less beautiful teams, the more physical teams, you know, like Golden State without Steph or with Steph, Butler and Draymond,

they're just grab it and Minnesota's like, this is like we're playing football, and it's given the Knicks, which are a tough, physical, resilient team, a huge edge over Boston. I don't think it's a bad thing, the Knicks winning. But it's interesting, it's like an unintended, it's not a benefit or a consequence, It's unintended result, which is road teams lower scoring. If you have lower scoring, that always benefits the less gifted offensive team. If neither team can score, that benefits the defensive team that's not known for its scoring anyway. Colin, that's good and well.

What do you think Adam Silver is going to say when it's June 1st and the NBA finals is Indiana at OKC? Or what if it's, what if it's the New York NIST? and Denver. I'd rather New York Knicks versus Steph Curry. I would love the Knicks versus anybody. It's not a guarantee the Knicks get by the Pacers. They are good, man. They're really good.

I wonder if they'd be underdogs. The Pacers, by the way, the second most popular basketball team in Indiana. You know who number one is? Caitlin Clark's fever. Listen, I'll say this. Indiana won't get a number, but I find them incredibly fun to watch. I love their style of basketball. I think Indiana is not dependent on the...

I love Halliburton. People are crazy. He's great. I love their roster. Seacom and Turner, the other guard from Gonzaga? Oh, Nemhard, yeah. Yeah, like, it's a really,

and they're well-called... I don't have a... I mean, I know it won't be... I mean, if it was Indiana and Denver, you'd not get a number. I got to tell you something. It's not a sexy... If New York makes the final.

That would be great. It's been, what, 20-something... I think... Because I've found last night. ...Nine... Boston? Tateham... is irritating now.

Oh, come on. Come on. Steve Kurt, the Olympics, knew the truth. Why don't we just ship him to the Lakers? See, if he's so irritating, let's get him out here, the Lakers, give up Austin Reeves, Ruehachim. A lot of irritating things in my life. I don't want to trade all of them.

I'm just saying Tatum last night was irritating. You're the star. He did dunk to give his team the lead with 18 seconds left. Celtics are 11 for 11 on dunks. How about to do a few more of those? They've missed 75 threes in two games. Maybe Joe Missoula, second row Joe or whatever his nickname is. Maybe he needs to get Tatum some help.

Maybe the team's not that stacked, Colin. You never forget what Brad Stevens did. He got Drew Holliday and Porzingis because he had questions about Tatum closing. He added two new offensive guys. By the way, Porzingis is sick. Only played like 14 minutes. He's not what he was. There's some alarm about what the heck his illness is.

Because this has been like four or five months of Foursingis ill. He's not. Mookiee Betts for the Dodgers has that. He's got an illness. Can anybody figure out what's going on? There's a stomach thing that went on. In the winter, I don't know. All right, Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, no Steph Curry tonight for the Warriors due to the hamstring. He has been talking to the media today. I've been tracking it. It doesn't sound like he's anywhere close to anything. He's out for at least a week, and Steve Kerr knows they'll have to adjust their offensive approach.

in Minnesota. When it comes down to it, this is about Steph, this whole thing. He's like Tim Duncan and San Antonio, you know. Michael Jordan in Chicago. There's none of it happens without Steph. And everybody knows that. We're absolutely going to rely on Jimmy like we have, you know, when Steph's been off the floor the last couple of months,

we'd basically run everything through Jimmy in those moments. So he'll take on more responsibility. but we can't just rely on him, you know, creating every single shot. What do you make of it, J-Mack? I like that. He's like Michael Jordan in Chicago. I hear that and I'm like, I bet you it's tougher to game plan for Steph Curry than it was Michael Jordan. Because Steph Curry will be 30 feet from the hoop, and you've got to be guarding him.

You have to be out there, and then it creates space for everyone else. You're getting three-on-two runouts because they're double-teaming Curry 35 feet from the basket. He's just without him. I don't see how well, Michael, you had a vertical dimension that Steph. doesn't, you know, Steph's game is horizontal. You know, Michael could jump over you, go past you. So what, that's only two points. Give me the 30-foot-3s that are just absolute daggers

from the greatest shooter in NBA history. I think people would, I suspect most people would submit to you that MJ's tougher to guard than Steph. Who do you, do you think the Warriors can win this without Curry? No, no. But I think they can ugly it up and get to six or seven. I absolutely think they'll win a game in the bay. But I just think they're so good defensively, and Buddy, they've got enough offense.

Butler, Drayman, I'll shoot three, buddy, pods. You know, you got the guy from Netherlands Post. I don't know about him. But Butler can certainly go for like a 40 burger and keep them in the game, I think. Next story, stick it with the NBA. The Clippers, they got bouncing game seven. They had Kauai. They had James Hardin.

James Hardin didn't really show up. We called him Jim Hardin. He had seven points in an elimination game. So GM Lawrence Frank. bizarrely expects to run it back, Colin, with the star duo, and he thinks that L.A., the Clippers, that is, are going to be a free agent destination moving forward. We're super excited about the direction going forward. We're going to continue to compete at a high level while also preserving a path forward,

using financial flexibility and the different advantages that we have with our organization. With Steve, T. Lou, the great city of Los Angeles, the Intuit Dome, our players, we feel we are a highly appealing place for players to be. So make no mistake. We want to contend in the present. We also have a plan for the future and we'll take the necessary steps to implement it. Well, listen, you're going to be the same franchise

if Hardin's available in May and June is your closer and Kauai is playing for it. You can say all that stuff. I would move. Hardin always has a market because he's good in the regular season. Oh, really? You think there's a market for Hardin? Not a huge one. So I'm looking at their salary cap breakdown.

Basically, their top eight guys are all back next year. None of them are free agents. I don't know that this team can really get over the hump and get better. Unlike the Lakers, who added Luka mid-season, I don't think they're in the same class. Paperclips are not even close to the Lakers. You realize Yonis is going to end up on one of these really interesting Western teams. Then how far are they going to be back? The paper clips?

Yeah, that's no point out. Boy, they got Bogdanovich, Norm Powell. Well, I like their team. I still can't believe they lost that series, Colin. They were up to 1 and at home to go up 3-1. And by the way, they lost to an interim coach. Yeah. And an...

I mean... I thought Tyloo was a genius. I just to say that. Anyways, let's go to the NFL. Colin, listen, I don't even know how to get this one out without sounding like a moron. So Bleacher Report has put out their list of the best 12 quarterbacks enter in next season. I'm just going to, they have Patrick Mahomes as four.

Whatever. Matt Stafford is not a top 12 quarterback acquitted list. Like, I can't take you seriously if Matt Stafford's not in. Can't take. Tua is on the list. You're going to put Purdy of Jordan Love and two on the list. I can't take it seriously. It knocks out, it's like saying the top draws in Hollywood and not having Tom Cruise near the list. Yeah, this is a bad list. Let's be real.

Jared Goff ahead of James. Come on. What? I mean, again, is this based on the next five years? No. Top quarterback's entering next season. You're going to say you trust Tua over Matt Stafford in a snow game in Philadelphia to drive you down the field. So for the radio audience. Where's Baker Mayfield?

Not on the list. Josh Allen is one, Lamar 2, Burrow 3, Patrick Mahomes for Hertz 5. Who did this list? The Bleacher Report. I don't know. What is the bleacher report? Look at the disdain on Cowher's face. It's a guy named Bob or something?

The Bleacher Report? When Zach, the producer, rolled up with his list, I was like, come on. That can't make the air. Coward's going to lose his mind. Matt Stafford not on the top 12. Baker Mayfield, not on the top 12? Tyreeke Hill had Baker Mayfield top five earlier this week. Bleach Report's got a clean.

You know what this looks like? A list the big lead would have had when you owned it. Oh, wow, that's harsh. Not with me at the helm. Hell no. I mean, listen, you know, I don't think much of the Chiefs. That's as bad as that Time magazine. 100 most influential people.

16 WNBA players. No Caitlin Clare. It's like, what is going on? Had Stafford's not on the list. Yeah, that's embarrassing. Whatever. I like when you get fired up about something. Well, it's just missing.

It's like when somebody puts a plate of veal parmesan in front of you, get that out of here, no thanks. That's the disdain you just displayed. Are you done? Because I'm done with this list. I'll tell you that. You don't want to do another minute on this? Do you have our story?

I thought Justin Fields had... No, I didn't. No, we're good. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Have you ordered flowers for Mother's Day?

You might want to get on that. You're not being serious, are you? Do it this morning? Come on. Bro, I did that like two weeks ago. Oh. And by the way, the slick move, when you order them offline, don't send them on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday.

because they jack up the price. Set them on Wednesday so the moms get them early in the week. You're aware of this, right? That's a horrible move. What do you mean? Then they get to celebrate Mother's Day for like four days with the flowers. Okay. You're an answer.

I have Christmas in October. It really is an emotional night. Come on. You give them on Mother's Day. Okay. You want to pay the premium like an extra $15. You literally are on television for a lot. living. Your wife's not worth an extra $15.

Well, no, I'm saying it to the wife, the mom, the mother-in-law. So now you're a stack, like $300 with the flowers. Honey, I got a great summer vacation. Let's go to, let's listen. I mean, let's go to Anchorage. I mean, at some point, you've got to pay for what you get. Yeah. Okay.

And go hang out with a caribou. You want a nice summer vacation. You got to be to beach. Caribou? Well, I'm just saying, five days early, on flowers you don't think that's smart i don't think maybe it's fiscally responsible

but it's not sometimes you just got to deliver you know how the moms feel in their timing matters seeing the flowers wednesday thursday friday leading up to mother's days just great there there is a not so fine line between frugal and cheap all right yeah birthday present sixty four days early doesn't feel the same christmas November 3rd doesn't feel the same. Christmas is canceled. You can't reference that anymore. It's the Hurd. Be sure to catch live editions of the Hurd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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It's the group that we have in our locker room. We just got to come out, be a little bit more poised, take a deep breath, convert our opportunities. We miss layups, easy baskets. Yeah, I wish it was that easy. It's weird to see a world champion look anxious. It's usually the young team. You watch these teams that have been around like Golden State,

they don't look nervous at the end of games. They look poised. They're getting good looks. Everybody's engaged in the time. time out. It's like you don't, Golden States never looks, you know, nervous. Boston, it's, you know, it's so collaborative. Who's the guy? They're all looking around at Tatum. Here's Rick Bucker earlier on Tatum's clear struggles in this series. He doesn't have a go-to spot. He doesn't have a go-to shot. He took fewer shots at the rim this season than he ever has in

his career. And his mid-range went down as well. What compensated for that? He took nearly half of shots from three-point range. So now we're looking at your go-to guy who if his three-point shot is not falling, which it has not in this series, what's he going to? I also think the cheapest tickets right now for the Nick Celtics at Madison Square Garden, $800. The most expensive tickets right now, $54,000. I mean, that thing, it's going to be the biggest basketball game in New York in since the Pat Riley era. What was that? Like 90s?

Late, what was it? Late 90s? 98, 99. That 54,000 bucks for a ticket. Is Ceylon Clark playing? What is that? Can I push back so that Rick clip, he was like, hey, Tadam took too many threes. I looked at Anthony Edwards' numbers, okay?

Anthony Edwards, more than half of his shots were threes this season. Like, that's the new trend in the league. That's what the coaches want. These guys could shoot it out. Edwards hit 39% from three. This year, Tatum only 34% regressed a little bit. I don't...

The consternation over Tatum is just puzzling. It's two games, Colin. That's it. No, here's what it is. You got a kid. And he gets in trouble just a little bit more than he should, considering the family. And he just, when you thought he finally got it right, gets kicked out of college. Or gets in another...

really ugly situation. And you thought he knew better because he's getting older and more mature, and he's now sort of in those don't make dumb mistakes. Like we all have our kids make mistakes. And then, you know, they go through stages, and then they graduate. And they shouldn't make those mistakes

when they're 26 that they made it 16. And that we thought he was through this. He had his best regular season. And now we have to just own, and Steve Kerr saw it in Paris. This is who he is. Yeah.

He is a guy that gets anxious. He doesn't have a stock go-to move. And frankly, he is the anti-Brunsen. One is work boots and one is leather loafers. I do like that analogy, the leather loafers. I know you're a leather loafer guy. No, I'm not. I will say regarding Tatum, he's going to finish fourth in MVP voting.

He will be fourth in four years in a row, first team all NBA. Okay, great. Like, I mean, we've got the data of four seasons. He's a great phenomenal player. Nobody's denying he is a great player. What we are saying is there is a pattern, and people in the building know it. Brad Stevens went and got Porzingas, and he went and got Drew Haldi. Why did they get rid of Marcus Smart?

The reason they got rid of Marcus Smart was Jalen Brown was taking the ball out of Tatum's hands. When Marcus Smart started doing it, they're like, whoa, he would let Marcus Smart take, and then finally Brad Stevens said, let's get a better. version of Marcus Smart who will understand his role Drew Holiday. Drew Holiday, like, you know, veteran smart guys like, I'm not taking the ball to Tatum's town late. Like, Marcus Smart's like, I'm going to eat too. So, I mean, the organization upstairs knows the dilemma.

Okay. Let me ask you, we talk about who number ones are in the NBA. Like, Luca's a one, Yokic is a one. Is Jason Tatum for you right now a one, meaning can he be the best player? Yeah, but I'll take Yokic. Is Brunson a one? I think I have to come to terms with he is. Is Halliburton a one?

Yes. Cade Cunningham? Yes. So you, Kate Cunning him and Hallibburt and, yes, Brunson, I don't know? No, no, no. I'm saying Brunson's not a traditional one. A second round Villanova guy, more hearts than talent, more heart than talent. But I have to be honest here.

There's the intangibles. He's A plus of those, and he's B plus at talent. So he's a one. So Tatum is a one for you. Yeah, he's a one. Seem a little reluctant there. He's a one. Is Devin Booker a one?

No, he's a two. Great two. Could be the best two in the league. A.D. is a two. Maybe he's the best two in the league. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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