The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Jim Harbaugh

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Colin talks to Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh about his quarterback Justin Herbert and what he needs in order to find postseason successSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I unveiled my Mount Justmore, is that you literally are so great at your chosen sport that you are just more, significantly more, than the second best person in your sport. Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, Wayne Gretzky, Serena Williams, Tiger Woods, and Shohei Otani. and I don't need O'Tonnie. He pitched last night briefly for the Dodgers. I don't need him to be an ace because he already was an ace and an American league starting pitcher in an All-Star game. If Patrick Mahomes one year was a Pro Bowl cornerback for the Chiefs, he never has to do it again. Derek Henry was a one-year pro-bowler at linebacker for the Ravens and a running back.

I don't need seven years. If Otani can just start be a semi-reliable starter, I've already seen enough to blow me away. Nick Wright wants more, though. Because he hasn't pitched in a couple of years. Until we see him return to be a regular dominant pitcher, hasn't his place, forget atop Mount Justmore in history, right now this moment, he's not the best player in baseball, Aaron judges, right? because Judge has been demonstrably a better hitter this year?

Like, I mean, he just has been. I need him to start pitching again. I know he threw the inning last night, but before he gets elevated there, or, I mean, you're ready. I mean, I know you already, you coined better than Babe, which was great. But, you know, this year, I don't know that he's been better than bets because he's just playing the one position.

Now, I would argue using that rationale was Burrow better than Mahomes, now because last year Burrow was better than Mahomes. Malmes did not have a great year last year. He was good in one possession games, but he didn't have a great year. And so I think Mahomes is considered to this point the greater quarterback talent, and we all love Burrough. So Otani is better than Aaron Judge. You can go to the fifth thing in the World Series. Otani's better than Judge.

He's done thing. Otani can do everything Aaron Judge can do. Aaron Judge can't be an ace on the mound in an American League all. All-Star game. Otani can do everything. I just don't think it's realistic to ask Otani to go to the Dodgers who have spent big-time money on their staff and be a reliable ace or number two pitcher. If Otani could pitch in two of three or four playoffs series, could give you a start,

could give you five and two-thirds innings twice in the playoffs from the mound, leave the game with a lead. That's unbelievable. Forget the fact that he's just pitching. Let's say he plays in the divisional round. Game three goes five and two-thirds innings. Leaves with a lead, they win. You do that one more time.

I don't need you to be an A. Some things I don't need you to do. Remember the guy that used to, I mean, there's guys like tightrope walkers and they'll walk across a canyon. I don't need twice. If you could do that once, I'm good with it. I don't need everything duplicated.

I don't, there are certain feats in life. I don't need you to do multiple times. If you're an actor and you've done just film, but you go on Broadway once and you crush it, you can do Broadway. I'm good with that. So it's just the fact to me that we literally talk about all the time in baseball,

we'll like seeing the playoffs. Man, I don't know if this pitcher can go on short rest. short rest. He literally batted last night, didn't even get practice swings. Here's Dave Roberts on last night. I thought the stuff was really good, much better as far as the fastball velocity than I think anyone anticipated. Hit 100. I was thinking 95 to 97, but I think that just a competitor adrenaline came out in him.

To see him come into the dugout from the pen, all that stuff, I was kind of fan-boying for for like a half an inning. We're all fans. J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's bust right into the soap opera that is Kevin Durant, Colin. Remember, everybody wanted it two weeks ago.

Now it's like, not so much. Colin, the latest, the very latest indicates, the sons may just hold on to Kevin Durant because they aren't finding a deal to their life. Now this is absolutely comical. They're trying to play some kind of poker game here where they're trying to bluff their way to a trade. They're not keeping Kevin DeReyriff.

That's not happening. He wants out badly. He has checked out. We know he was ticked off. They tried to trade him at the deadline. This is an epic disaster. I will remind you last week we talked about the Sun's owner. It's be a I need to be in more control.

Bro, you're not a basketball guy. He's hiring his Michigan State people. Colin, this is shaping up as a spectacular. as a spectacular disaster. They're not keeping Kevin Durant. I'm sorry. Yeah, I mean, there's a report that they don't want Carl Anthony Town. That's fine. I get that.

He's a quirky player. I'm just, not that it's a revelation, but I didn't think there would be a massive market, but only one other player in the NBA averaged 25 points a game and shot over 40% from three. Yokic.

I can't believe, no, he's going to want a new deal. I'd give him a, two-year deal. I'm not giving him a five-year max. I'd give him a two-year deal. Kevin Durant's going to average 25 for the next two years. I'd give it up. Maybe at 38 and 39. I don't know. So Micah Parsons, we talk about this all the time, right? So Micah Parsons, if you want to trade him, which you and I would, you've got to give up assets to get him and then make him the highest paid non-quarterback in the league, right? Similar to Kevin Durant, not the highest in the league, but you've got to give up assets to get him and then sign him to a two-year. I mean, at 50-mill,

he makes more than anyone on the thunder or the Pacers. Can you win with Kevin Durant as your number one player? No. Can you win with them as your number two? The Suns could not. So I'm just, I'm not seeing it, Colin. Next up, how about this? The Memphis Grizzlies and John Morant.

So they just traded Desmond Bain away. And all of a sudden we're hearing, could John Morant be going to the Miami Heat? Is Memphis just tearing it all down? The logic here is, you go from west to east Jha ain't winning in the west but he could win in the east

if they pair it with the big guy BAM out of bike I think he actually needs a new environment new GM, new coach, new environment I think sometimes people need a fresh start and I've said I think Jaws really talented

aesthetically fun highlight real I don't think you can build around him I'm not sure he can be your two he's not a one he's not a foundational one maturity availability can he be a

I'm not sure. I honestly think I think he's closer to a three. I think he made... No, I know I do. I mean, look around right now. Is he as dependable as SGA and Jalen Williams? Absolutely not.

He would be a three on that team. Hell, Lou Dort is more dependable. Now you go, now, let's go to Indy. Halliburton Seacum. He's not as dependable as that. So these two teams, he is at best of three. On these two teams, he's at best of three. There's a report that he was

on the injury list, I believe, eight times with eight different injuries this season. And he has a history. But I do wonder, Colin, John Morant's off-court activities in Miami and South Beach, I don't know that that's a great recipe. I think that's fair. Final story is he needs to go to Sacramento and be bored out of his mind. Final story is Cam Ward, Colin. He's gotten high praise for his NFL off-season work since he went number one to Tennessee.

Here is Ward addressing his mentality. out of his rookie year. The end of day, I'm a gunslinger. I live by that, I always die by it. So Coach Callaghan, you know what type of guy he has in the quarterback room? Trash talk, you know, never mean nothing to me. It won't get to me in some type of way. I'm just somebody who likes doing it. So what's the point of playing?

Something that you love, you can't have fun with it. So, you know, that's where it comes from. But, I mean, I love the game. And so any chance I get, you know, to let somebody know that they can't f*** me, and it really doesn't matter. Can't wait to watch him play. They're going to make the play. They're going to make the playoffs. I really believe that.

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard L.I. News. Let's bring him on and been talking about this all day. Jim Harbaugh, coach of the L.A. Chargers, is joining us live. And often as you see, Jim, he's got a smile on his face. I know why he's got a smile.

Because Joe Alton, Year 2, Hampton, Naji, Mike William, Trey Harris. I was saying this earlier, Jim, I followed your career. I always feel Jim Harbaugh teams in year one you change the culture, but it's not until year two when you have a second recruiting class or a second draft that I feel like it's a Jim Harbaugh team. I look at this team and I think, oh, that's a Jim Harbaugh team. Two tackles, two stud running backs. I felt last year I'm like, it's not Jim's team quite,

but the culture's good. Did you feel, do you feel like this is more complete this year? I loved our team last year. And as you know, I wanted to get everybody back, run it back version 2.0. That wasn't the case. We couldn't do that, this era of free agency and everything else, et cetera. But we made some great additions. Joe Ortiz, our personnel staff, has done an incredible job.

I mean, going out and finding some of the guys that they brought in plus what we did with the draft that yeah i do i feel like we're uh i know we're in a better place uh you know june 17th than we were last year at june 17th uh part of that is probably you're doing everything for a second time everything you've done before you're you're doing again but uh you know the uh the entire mentality of the of the team and it's from the leaders like like justin and Derwin and K. Mack and Dan Henley, all the, all the guys. I mean, they, they train and prepare like they've accomplished nothing. So when the season comes, they can, they can be that guy. So I am, I am taking that same lead. And we just don't talk about it, really.

You know, unless, unless we're on an interview and somebody, you know, puts a microphone in your face, you know, then you really, you have to talk about it. But, you know, the guys are, the guys are doing, prefer to do, you know, they're talking in the training environment and on the practice field. And I am drinking the Kool-Aid by and completely into that, and that's the way we've been rolling. You know, if I think of Jim Harbaugh teams, your teams always have leaders. And I think to myself, do you recruit leaders? Can you tell when you're recruiting a kid if he's a leader in high school? Do you draft leaders?

I mean, Joe Alt goes to Notre Dame. He's a smart, tough kid. Your teams, when I think of Harbaugh, I think. tough and good leaders. How do you end up with it? Do you create them or do you draft or recruit them? Why do your teams end up with those?

Yeah, you recruit them. You draft them. You can tell the minute they walk out of the field. You know, the minute Derwin James walked out of the field, our first off-season OTA,

When I walked over to shake Justin Herbert's hand, it's, you know, right away, you know, there's a presence there. Same with Khalil Mack. There's the presence. When he talks, everybody's, everybody's listening. When he's playing, everybody is watching. And it's never what somebody says. It's never what they say.

It's what they do. And that gets reinforced with how they train, how they go about their business, how they play the game of football. So we have a saying that we really love, which is what you say, I can't even hear what you say because what you do speak so loudly that I can't even hear what you're saying. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. It's the news, no. Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

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Either way, the podcast Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, it's obviously, and I said this, when you went college to pro, I said, man, Harbaugh's going to be a great drafter for the first two to three years because he's recruited half these. guys did you find in this draft for instance had you recruited any of your draft picks or at least seen their tape in high school did did the michigan stuff help you a little bit in the first two drafts like joe alt you probably recruited at michigan has have you found that it's helped

you a little bit in the draft process it really helped a lot colin um and and not just for it was my knowledge of guys it was uh it was mike elston's knowledge of joe alt uh who told all that all the stories of the, you know, the, the, when he came in as a freshman, uh, how athletic he was, uh, you know, that Jesse Mentor, um, you know, I could Steve Klinkscale, who I believe is, uh, one of the best, if not the best secondary coaches and in all of football, um, the guys they recruited, the guys they coach, uh, the guys that, uh, that, uh, you know, they watched weekly because they were preparing for them, uh, in an upcoming game.

So it was, it's not just me. It was, it was that cumulative effect of all of us who had really been in that environment, you know, just a couple months earlier. I remember years ago talking to a guy named Bill Polly and the legendary Hall of Fame front office guy, and he said when he drafted Peyton Manning, he said, Peyton cared so much. He called him a teeth clencher. He said sometimes we'd have to say, hey, Peyton, it's ice cream after practice. Lighten up.

It's okay. And when I watch Justin Herbert, he cares so deeply that there are times I think he gets so frustrated with himself. He's too hard on himself. That's my view of it. Am I right? And if I am, how do you make sure Justin still, you got to have fun, Jim? You got to have fun when you coach. I have to have fun when you play.

Do you ever worry that Justin is too hard on Justin? No, don't change the thing. Do not change a thing about Justin Herbert. Yeah, he does everything, everything great. How much he cares? Yeah, he cares. He cares deeply. How much he trains?

He trains the perfect amount. Everything that he does is don't change the thing. Our challenge is the rest of us, you know, especially the ones on the offensive side of the ball that Justin's counting on. uh you know the playmakers the offensive line uh the backs the tight ends the coaches you know it is our challenge to get to his level because uh you know the only in my opinion you know his biggest weakness is is us you know we've got to we we have to be the ones that rise up to his level so you're in a division now with pete and chip uh with uh sean payton's a pretty good

coach andy reed and spags it's the best coach division in football football, you get no breathers. Every week is like a coaching challenge. You are feisty and you're tough and you love challenges. You don't have a lot of breathers on that schedule. But would you rather face that schedule on those staffs and say, you know the roadblock? You'd rather have a, the book on Pete, although you have a pretty good book there. Is there an advantage to being in a division that is the best coach division in football? Well, first of all, I mean, there's, I've never seen the coaching, you know, at a level that it is across the entire national football league. I mean, it's great coach after great coach because the way they prepare their teams, everybody is great.

Yeah, we're going to play games. No matter who we're playing, it's going to get decided in the last two minutes of the game. They're going to come down to one score games. This is the national football league. Everybody's really well coached. Everybody's really well trained. Everybody has great players. You know, it's at an unprecedented level where the league is right now.

I mean, everybody's good. Yeah, it's competitive. Doggy, dog for sure. You know, tremendous in the AFC West, tremendous in every single division as you look across pro football. So it is something you've got to get prepared for. I mean, we know it. We're going to play the Kansas City Chiefs. game one in Sao Paulo.

Let's make sure we get ready for it. I've said for years, I always like Naji Harris. He played in front of offensive lines that were kind of, couldn't quite get it right. And I think you do occasionally find these players in the NFL that maybe the fit's not perfect. And then they go to a second place, and you're like, oh, he's better than I thought.

I think Naji Harris is one of those guys. What did you see about him when you looked on film in Pittsburgh? What did you say, okay, that's going to work here with the Chargers? Everything that he does is at a high level and great, and he's there every week. He's there every game. And it's so cool. I mean, you mentioned a little bit about being in college before now, and guys you recruited and guys that I coached.

I mean, nobody recruited harder than Najee Harris, you know, up in Antio, California. you know, as many trips as I could make I made there. Yeah, and Mackay back then, I mean, I'm just, I'm reminiscing going back to watching Mackay play basketball in high school and being at a game where I see him, see him slam dunk of basketball, and then he got elbowed. He got elbowed. He might have broken his nose, and he went over the towel. There's blood coming out.

He threw him a towel from the bench. You know, he wipes it off. I think he was out for like, you know, like a whistle or two. And then right back in the game. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's my kind of guy right there. He didn't end up coming to Michigan. He went to Louisville and had a tremendous career. But just so many great guys, so many great stories that way.

And now, you know, you get a chance to be a part of it and coach these guys. I mean, you can imagine the excitement, you know. And still, still kind of pull it down. We have Justin Herbert and Derwin James. I mean, I just loved him watching him play football. You know, just an appreciation for how he played the game. And now to be able to get to coach him.

I mean, Derwin James. He likes people that like football. If you like football, you're going to like Derwin James, and he's going to like you back. Yeah, you just pull it down that you get to coach these guys. You know, it's best darn job I've ever had, Colin. I was going to say, you look good. You look a little thinner than last year.

You've had a couple health things. Give me an update. How do you feel? How are you doing? How's your, because you look good. You look younger than the last time I had. That's Southern California sushi. That's the sushi.

Jackie Harvall said the same thing. Yeah, I got a hip replaced. It's working great. All patched up. The Iron Horse had to go in for a few fine tunings. And I had an ablation done that was really successful. I was really super happy my doctor, Dr. Shepada. He came in and I tell me how it went.

And he goes, it went good. It went really good. And I go, every doctor says it went good. I mean, I never talked to a doctor after a surgery that said it didn't go well. I go, tell me about it. And he, I mean, he started describing what he did. And it was like a football player describing, you know, the miraculous, you know, way that he scored a touchdown. You know, he really, I can tell, okay, now we're getting somewhere.

and he really feels good about it, you know. And then he kind of was described, well, you know, why, I asked him, why didn't they fix that issue? You know, the last time I had this application, he said, well, you know, they're really good. You know, the technology's a lot better. I go, no, doctor, it was you. It was you. And so, yeah, I feel, you know, it just fires you up when you get that kind of,

right here in uh right here in l a by the way you saw a tony pitch last night i think he's it's just unbelievable it's just unbelievable he's good looking he's great like you talk about the whole package he's magnetic when when you go to a dodger game it doesn't even feel i mean you know what great is when great is when among great players they look up to you i always used to say this about mike tyson other heavyweight fighters were intimidated by mike tyson That's what great is. You watched Otani last night. What do you see?

I was just blown away by the whole thing, just everything. His walk-up song, I mean, you know, the way he puts his bat, you know, at the end of the top of the plate there, and he measures it, and he puts his foot in the same spot. And, you know, I really watched him. I was there with my son Jack, who's a 12-year-old baseball player and son Johnny, who's eight, and Katie and I'm going, just study him. Just watch, watch him. He's in a rhythm. Everything he does is to create the rhythm. He does it the same way every time. Look at the pitching motion, whether it's from the stretch or from the, you know, from the, from the windup,

his routine, rhythm, rhythm, you know, rhythm, get the rhythm, get the, you know, get the, get the freaking rhythm. Um, rhythm, get the, get the freaking rhythm. You know, it's, it's, it's, you just watch it with him and yeah the the uh hit him nukes a couple nukes as uh is uh is johnny what my son eight year old would say uh just incredible the walk-up song is is so good uh just everything about but that's sports you know colin you got to you've got to be able to uh to get the rhythm you get out of rhythm you start trying to make adjustments and and then you're out there uh you're out there floundering. So youngsters in sports, you know, get in the rhythm, have that rhythm trained and practiced, and then go do your job, get the rhythm, and let the chips fall where they may.

But don't try to start questioning yourself or making adjustments. I mean, that's probably my biggest takeaway of watching last night's game yeah all right and what's another LA guy JJ Spahn how cool was that you know it's amazing is that J.J. Sponged did you hear the story that he literally his daughter was sick is that JJ Spahn calling you he's his daughter that morning my daughter at here I call her back so his his daughter was throwing up Sunday morning he was up at three in the morning, went to a CVS. He was working on four hours sleep.

Wow. And then he goes in rain delay, and this kid ends up hitting one of the great pots in the history of the U.S. Open. He was up at three in the morning driving to a CVS. Because his daughter, that's what being a great dad is. And he said, actually, he said it took my mind off golf. Yeah, I didn't think about golf. I was worried about my daughter all day. and I was like 64-foot putt.

That's a winner right there. Yeah. How about the one where he hits the pin, you know, hits the great shot in there, and, you know, kind of sucks up,

then it hits the pin, and then it goes, oh, bros, all the way back down. I mean, I mean, one of the most brutal breaks you could get.

And, you know, he was just an, he was just an iron wall to that negativity that, you know, just, just shattered.

that adversity, that negativity just crumbled. And to watch him go about his business, I mean, it was tremendous. Okay, listen, Andy Reid right now is working on plays. You've got to get back. I want some razzle-dazzle in that opener, Jim. I want something with Mike Williams. I want some Ladd-McConkey double pass. I want you to go because that game, I have you winning the division,

and he's a wild card team. so I know he's working right now. You got, we got to get back to work, okay? Yes, sir. Appreciate you having me on. Jim, it's great seeing you're smiling more than you ever had. The great Jim Harbaugh. Thanks, Coach.

Thanks, Colin. He is all in on L.A. He is watching that story, J.J. literally said, because I wasn't thinking about golf. My daughter's heaving up. I'm trying to make sure she doesn't get sick. I am JJ Spawn. I'm worried about all this other stuff.

And pretty good week in L.A. Harbaugh, Otani, J.J. Spawn. Magical. What was that, J. Mack? I was saying, don't forget about J. Mack in L.A. I know you're hyping Chicago dinners, but I got some good stuff going on as well. Just for the room. All right.

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Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a podcast. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about, what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast,

I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris, every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Gentry win. I mean, she went down at three to, Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

We were talking about DEC Prescott earlier that he entered the league, and I thought the Cowboys, he was a beneficiary of a great O line, competent coaching staff. The division was very weak. Now, and I think he's benefited greatly from being a Dallas Cowboy quarterback, especially financially. Now I think he's the only glue holding the entire organization together, but to give you some sense of how he has benefited being a cowboy quarterback, play blind resume, and if you look at Dak Prescott's career numbers so far, Let's put his numbers up so far.

Nine years, 33,000 passing yards, and compare him to another quarterback that has been in the NFL. That's got similar numbers, but more Pro Bowls, more playoff wins, more conference championship appearances and more Super Bowl appearances. That quarterback is Jared Goff, who has not made nearly as much as DAC or been discussed nearly as much as DAC, and in fact has been to a Super Bowl and has been close to another and is arguably, favored to get in another in Detroit by the end of his contract. So, yeah, I think Dak has made a lot of money and has benefited greatly, especially early in his career. Now I think Dak is the only thing really holding Dallas together.

I don't like their coaching staff. Cross your fingers that George Pickens can be productive and not disruptive. I think he will be at least early. But Dak has run the gamut of the NFL experience. healthy, hurt, great O-line, rebuilding O-line, best running back in the league, to the worst running back room in the league last year, no Amari Cooper, then Amari Cooper. He's generally had one good receiver, one big-time perimeter target, but that's where we stand with him.

By the way, OKC, we had talked about this earlier. You know, we always glamorize yesterday in the NBA, and, you know, this team was this and this player was that. I do think Oklahoma City's defense, just visually, trusting your eyes, I do think it's unique. More players in the NBA now than ever can handle the ball. I mean, you go back to those Knicks teams and those Pacers series years ago. They made 30 for 30s on. I mean, there were very few ball handlers and shooters. Everybody can, Miles Turner now can hit a three. That players are much more skilled, and yet the Pacers look absolutely out of sorts. steals, block shots.

They can just get overwhelmed offensively. And Nick Wright earlier today on OKC's defense being totally legit. They are unlike any team in the last 20 years in their ability to go on these 12 to 2 or 14 to 2 runs that are based purely on steals. That it is not they hit a bunch of threes. It is not the offense gets hot. It's that they can have these game-changing runs based on their defense. The Legion of Boom comp is apropos because they also do something those guys did, which was, we are going to play with such a level of physicality from the opening whistle of the game

that we are going to put the refs in an impossible position. Yeah, and I think that was the Legion of Boom. another great NBA team that didn't win a title, John Stockton, Carl Malone, Jerry Sloan, rest in peace, that coached jazz teams for years were just physical and tough, and they got the whistle at home. But, I mean, just think about how skilled players are. You can go back to these legendary shows about all these tough guys. You didn't have seven guys who could handle the ball.

You didn't have seven-foot guys that could handle the ball. Everybody now can handle it, can pass, can dribble, can shoot. and all that said when Halliburton's not on the floor and sometimes when he is, they're just out of sorts. They feel like they're uncomfortable and I think you just have to be honest. I think this is an all-time defense.

Young, twitchy, long, fast. And when Jalen Williams is dropping 40, then you've got Lou Dort hitting threes, SGA, Chet Holmgren, who hasn't had a good offensive series, but this is a very complete team. I don't know if you'll keep them all. You're going to keep most of them. but Jalen Williams, what a story that kid is.

Santa Clara, three years. Last thing that he developed that Santa Clara was offense. He came in, good player. He's become a really dependable NBA offensive player. I was reading about him earlier. He was a three-star recruit in high school. That's it. And now he's dropping 40 in the NBA finals like six years after that.

Like, Colin, that's pretty impressive. He's a great story. I didn't think he was this good. I'll be honest. I did not. No, either did I. Did not. All right, first things first is around the corner.

I want to thank Jim Harbaugh and Nick Wright, both stopping by in a Tuesday. See you tomorrow. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know.

I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's a win. She's an outsider to win the French fame. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerner Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcasts on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,

embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed Human.