The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Jimmy G, College Football Playoff

Episode Date: September 2, 2022

Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Geoff Schwartz, in for Colin, react to Jimmy Garropolo expressing his surprise over still being with the 49ers. Professional Sports Bettor Bill Krackomberger joins the guys to highlight bets he is hot on for Week 1 of the NFL season. The diets of offensive linemen go crazy. Plus, who do you want to see in the College Football Playoff?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brian Nell, Rich Ornberger, Jeff Schwartz. In for the herd today. I just learned something a minute ago that both you guys think the number 64 looks bad for an offensive lineman. My mind was just blown. You were stuck with 64 at Penn State. Oh, way worse for a defensive lineman. If you're on 64th defensive lineman, you're most doubt. definitely going to have no tape and no gloves on.

Dude, that is so 1,000% accurate. Okay, listen to me right now. Listen to me right now. And I hate to offend any defensive line in America right now is listening to this, and many are. But if you wear defensive line, 64 on the defensive line, the run game plan is run it over him. Yes. No, no, but he probably has a donjoy somewhere on his body. a brace AUS, no gloves and no tape.

He's also wearing... Does the defensive guy think that about the offensive dude? No, probably not. No, he's just thinking like, there's a guy who is busy eating when they did number selections. And that's pretty much the story of how I wore 64 in college. Man. Yeah, you guys are both way down on the way that number looks. It's so bad.

I've been looking up 64s in the break. Well, check me out. Check me out. All right. So go to, you know, type in Rich Hornberger on the Googler and then go to an image search, you know, even throw in a Penn State. And you'll see, especially when I'm wearing the all whites with the Navy blue number at Penn State. All whites are bad too, Brian. Like all white jerseys? Oh, we look really fat.

I look like the stay puffed marshmallow man. All missing is the sailors cap. I look like I'm about to take over a city and the Ghostbusters are going to hose me down. It is awful. Oh, well, something that's the opposite of. awful here, Rich. How about the brand new football pregame shows on Fox Sports Radio, huh? So tune in tomorrow on Fox Sports Radio. Countdown to Kickoff presented by BetMGM. It'll be with me. Brian, though, Penn State All-American Rich Oranberger. He wore number 64.

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Saturdays and Sundays, leading right up to kickoff, presented by BetMGM. Okay, Jeff, you wanted to dive into this, this Jimmy G. situation. I see it the same way. It's all roses. It's all, it's win-win. Kyle Shanahan's like, this is awesome.

This is great. Jimmy G can rehabilitate his value somehow from the bench. I think this is a bad sign of what's to come because no matter what anybody tells you, the only reason San Francisco does this deal is because they don't trust Trey Lance. This is the Patrick Mahomes model.

Mahomes started one game, his rookie season. The next year when he took over as the starter, Alex Smith was traded to Washington. He was gone. And with Jimmy G. still being there, it shows a lack of faith in Trey Lance. It absolutely does. and you have to let Trey Lance and everyone else know on that team

that the quarterback of your team is Trey Lance, right? And with Jimmy Groplo on that roster, remember, Jimmy Groplo guys, the last year is he has been healthy. He has taken him to the Super Bowl and the AMC championship game, right? Like, he has won them a lot of football games. And you have to let everyone know on the roster that this team is Trey Lances. You have trade up for this draft picks. You decide to play Trey Lance.

you know what everyone know everywhere. The roster, the front office, the coaching staff, that Trey Lans is your guy. With Jimmy Gropo is still there, that does not tell Trey Lance and everyone else, he's your guy. It says, if it doesn't play well, we go back to Jimmy Groplo. If you're a veteran on this team,

if you're Trent Williams, right, you are on the path to the Hall of Fame career, you've had an outstanding season last year, and you want to win a Super Bowl, right? Who would you rather have play? The guy that took you to answer to championship game last year or a young kid with 15 starts in his college and NFL career, you want Jimmy Garoppel to play, right?

So the second that he starts playing bad, the locker room starts kind of getting like, can we sit the young guy to play Jimmy Garoppel? And the second that you bench Trey Lance, you have admitted, which is fine. If you want to admit, you messed it up. But you have admitted that you chose the wrong player and he's no longer going to be the franchise quarterback

or the future franchise quarterback of your team. Trey Lance is living with his wife's ex-boyfriend. I mean, that's exactly what this is. I mean, in this metaphor, the 49ers are his wife, the ex-boyfriend's Jimmy G., and he's there going, hey, you know, what gives? I mean, how do you move this relationship forward with Jimmy G. waiting in the wings? Now, he's going to play it right, Jimmy G. will. And he's going to do everything he can to help the kid because that's the best thing he can do for himself right now. but we all know what happened here.

Obviously, if there were trade value, they would have moved on from Jimmy G. Or if that was all fabrication, political cover, to suggest that, well, Tray Lance isn't good. So we're going to drive a higher bargain on these phone lines with all these GMs who are calling on Jimmy G. And we're just going to pretend like Tray Lance is our guy. But all along, no, we're going to try to get something done with Jimmy G because we need them. We need them just in case. And we need that insurance policy because if things go really sideways with this, we got an answer to ownership who's put belief in us, extended our contracts,

talking about Shanahan and Lynch. And if we don't get it right with this team, I mean, Jimmy G's riding a Maserati. He just handed over the keys to the kid, and he's taken out for a test ride this season. If he gets into a fender bender, you're going to say, okay, look, we're going to bring this back to the shop and we're going to give it back to Jimmy because we can't be. held accountable for the damage that you can put on this. It's too new. It's too shiny. It's too good right now to hand it over to you. And that's a big problem. Look, the only person this doesn't benefit or the only faction this doesn't benefit is Trey Lance. It benefits the 49ers. It benefits

Jimmy Garoppolo, you know, whether it's career rehabilitation because there's all the source reports about him being difficult and weird in the offseason, whatever. It's terrible for Tray Lance. Yeah. How would you feel? I like what you're going with, Rich. How would you feel, honestly, you're the new boyfriend and your girl says, I believe in you. You're my guy. But our ex, my ex, is going to live with us. Just in case. Just in case. But I really do believe in you. You'd be like, I don't think you're telling me and showing me that you really believe in me. It's just an awkward, weird scenario. And if you look at the other side of the coin, because all I hear from the Niners, and the immediate reaction was, it's win, win, it's great.

Roses, it's a party for everybody. Look at the other side of the coin. What if Trey Lance struggles early on, quarterback controversy? What if Trey Lance gets hurt for a few games and Jimmy G plays well? Quarterback controversy. Jimmy G might be the most popular player on the team. Jeff, I look at it this way. If Trey Lance has a couple of tough weeks to start the season, even if they win and they eke

out a one-in-one record, but it's very, very, clear he's not ready for the moment. Like every conversation one of these coaches have with Jimmy Garoppolo off to the side, eyes are going to be on that conversation. Guys in locker rooms, they start talking. Everybody knows the score. Everybody knows when you can smell

a fake. If somebody's not hacking it and you know that there's a better option somewhere else on the roster, the questions start getting asked amongst each other while you're stirring your morning coffee like, what the hell are we doing? The kid's not ready.

This is why, and I've been in this spot once in my career at a much different Matt Moore and Jimmy Cawson, but where, you know, Matt Moore was the older player that we liked as an offensive line. And even though we knew, you know, we knew we went into a Super Bowl with him, we trusted him. And when we put Jimmy in, we're like, what are we doing? Like, let's play the guy that's, like, as veterans, we wanted the guy that's going to help us win games. We're not thinking about the future, right? Jimmy Clausen might have been the best quarterback of all time, but in that moment, we didn't feel he was ready to play,

and we wanted to win now because we're all thinking about this current season, right? No one on that offensive line in Debo's Sam, was thinking about next season and the year after that, thinking about now. And if Trinlan does not play well, there's not going to be a mutiny on this team, but there's going to be a bunch of disgruntled guys on the offense who want the coaching staff to make the change

because they want the guy that they trust, that can win them games to play now. And again, they're not concerned about the future. The front offices, of course, and if Traylons plays well, I'll stay in the game, but there's always going to be this kind of like, well, we can always go to Jimmy Garoppel. But again, if you do that, you've admitted that Traylant's not your guy. Yeah, and it's kind of like the shell game to me. It's a bunch of misdirection from the Niners because it's all positive.

It's all win-win. It's don't look at this. Look at this over here. Look at this bright, bright, shiny thing. We're not showing a lack of faith in Tray Lance. It's, hey, we might be able to trade Jimmy G and get something for the guy. And it's like, one, he's got a no trade clause, so he'd have to sign off on it. And two, what are you going to get?

The value might go up. Let's say there's a team. But here's the thing, though, is that when you drafted Trey Lance, the value of Jimmy Gropo is unimportant anymore. Exactly. That's the whole point. It doesn't matter. Who cares? Trade him for a ham sandwich, a dishwasher, a washing machine.

Who cares? You're done with him. You're excited. You're done with him. Move on. It doesn't matter what it costs. Let's just say there's a team. They lose their starter, and the value goes up in terms of what they would offer.

It happens once every five years. Again, I'm with you. Right. But you traded three first rounders for Trey Lance. You traded a third rounder for Trey Lance. You traded all of that. So why put up with all the awkwardness for the off chance that maybe you get a third round pick for Jimmy G? It just doesn't make any sense.

The only reason they're doing it is because they don't believe in Trey Lantz right. Exactly correct. And nobody will tell Tray Lance that to his face, nor should they. And Tray Lance may know it quietly to himself. And if he's being really honest and looking in the mirror and having a moment, he realizes how much he has to prove, especially early this season. But that is a fact. That is a fact.

A backup quarterback only has value if he has to be foisted into the starting lineup. That's it. That's it. They're replaceable. Look around the National Football League. I mean, is there a single backup quarterback where you're going, geez, boy, if only we could get some value, no. No. There's one.

And the only reason why that conversation's happening is because, like we know, he's led this team to two championship games, has won one. And he was a quarter away from winning them a Super Bowl. Not on his own merits necessarily. Did he help? Yes. But he's surrounded by great pieces. And he's a great game manager. And he's a good leader in the locker room.

And he's a strong voice for the organization. And they paid him a lot of money on yada, yada, yada. We know all the things. But if he didn't have value to this program, he would be gone. He's not because he's an insurance policy and one that they're paying dearly to hang on to. Because if they're wrong about Lance, they're going to look like fools. If Jimmy G gets hurt or underperforms when he comes in, they're going to look worse. And I have, I never thought there was value in Jimmy Gropo as a trade piece.

So if the Niners admitting that now, obviously, it's like, well, yeah, duh. Like what do you think was going to be the value? If you look around the NFL at teams that would want him, okay? Let's just say, like, you know, everyone keeps saying Seattle. Well, if I was Seattle, I would just stink this season, right? There's six quarterbacks next year in 2023. Right. They're going to be first round drive.

At least now, right? I mean, we know they go up and down. There's always someone comes out of nowhere. But as of right now, there's like six guys going in the first round. Jimmy G gets you to eight wins. You get out of that sweepstakes, right? Like, these teams that the favorite for where he, for Jimmy to go to me, never made sense. I see Jimmy is a high-priced backup on, like Tampa Bay or the Buffalo or Kansas City

or Green Bay somewhere where the quarterback gets hurt, you bring him in. To me, it's not worth a Niners waiting for that to happen. I would have released them. Tampa Bay would have paid him $8 million, come to be the backup there. He hasn't even practiced

until this week. He's not even ready to play in week one, really, if you even need him to play. He is Ryan Fitzpatrick for the rest of his career. Once he finishes his time with the 49ers, unless something miraculous happens, he's going to be a great bridge quarterback.

He's going to be the veteran voice in the room. to help groom players. He's going to tie Rod Taylor his way through the NFL for another eight to 10 years. And that'll be Jimmy G. But right now, his value is an absolute peak because Trey Lance is not ready. And that's the only reason why you keep Jimmy G. Yeah, listen to Jimmy G. He had some thoughts about finding himself on the Niners roster after all. I think things worked out for the best. You know, it was a lot of ups and downs, Rocky Roads here and there. But I think throughout the whole thing. Me, I'm happy with where I'm at, happy to be with the Niners. I think the nines are happy to have me back and I think things are working out pretty well. Why didn't you

at any point to say, hey, I've done some good stuff here, release me, let me go find a place? Well, that just wasn't the way I wanted to go. I think that there was a thought of that at one point. Trust me, there was. But that came and went and I don't know. Things just kind of kept falling into place. I'm one of those people that I don't want to really ruffle the feathers too much here and there and kind of want to just go with the flow and that's kind of the way the training camp was going and I was happy with it.

Like I said, things worked out and I'm happy now. My goodness, I don't want him as my quarterback. I have a question. Is he like ready to retire? Because I've gone the sense that he's just like, oh, whatever. Like, I'm just getting paid to be the backup. I feel like he's kind of like, all right, well, I've done what I wanted to do

and I'm ready to go. Right, Rich? It doesn't feel like there's, from his side, a sense of urgency to be starting somewhere, unless he's been told he'll start in a month in San Francisco. When you're that handsome, like retirement sounds pretty good. I agree. That's why I did it too. I still could have played, but I was like, you know what?

I'm too good looking. I got to be home. Like this guy, I mean, honestly, he is one sprained ankle away from starting his modeling and acting career, so I don't blame him for being aloof. I just look at Matt Ryan with Atlanta. When Atlanta was trying to get Deshawn Watson, he was professional about it, but he was like, yo, it's time for us to part ways. And he moved on.

And that was for an established quarterback. We're just talking on the field. Deshawn Watson, the football player, compared to Trey Lance, the NFL quarterback, night and day. And Matt Ryan's like, give me out of here. And Jimmy Garoppolo's just cool riding the wave. Let's see where it takes us, bro. Like, it's just running its course, whatever. Get out of here. I don't want to miss my quarterback even more now.

Groovy, man. Everything's groovy with Jimmy G. Just glad to be along for the ride. Just throwing some mammas and poppuss. You know, it's all good. All right. Coming up next, our betting guru, Bill Crackenberger, we call him Crack. We'll turn to the NFL. Might be able to make us all some money here. That's on the way. I'm Brian, though, alongside Jeff Schwartz, Rich Ornberger. We're in for the herd today on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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kickoff show. It's presented by BetMGM. It'll be with myself, along with Jeff Schwartz, and our next guest, Professional Sportsbetter, Bill Krakkenberger. Crack will join us every Sunday. So listen on Fox Sports Radio Saturdays and Sunday mornings leading up to kickoff presented by BetMGM. Bill Krakenberger with us right now. Professional sports better here on the herd. Bill, let's just dive right into it. I'm sorry. I used your government name over there. You know, crack. Let's dive into this, man. What are you hottest on leading into the season? Could be week one game line, could be a season win total, anything. What are you hottest on right now heading into the season?

Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. Just to be clear now and get this out of the way. to start, I'm a huge metal guy. There you. Nice. I'm the outcast here. I grew up, I grew up Judas Priest concerts, Iron Maiden, Sabbath, Metallica. I was a metal

head. I mean, I'm a classic rock and metal, but now, but I mean, I still like that stuff. We're going to convert Jeff Schwartz. That's our goal this year on Sundays. We're converting Jeff Schwartz. Great, great. You know, looking at, this is a business to me, guys. So,

It's going to be unorthodox probably for a lot of people at first, but hey, I'm going to get them used to me to not having no emotion in the game, screaming and yelling during the whole game and then chasing when they lose a game or two. It's really, is it a business to me. And I am looking at some early line stuff. You've got to remember, these games have been up. Week 1 NFL. You literally could have bet these games back in like March, April, May.

I mean, this was months at a time here these games came up. So right away, I looked at a game, Tampa Bay. Dallas, I seen that total was a little bit high, but I thought about it. It's the prime time Sunday night game. Kind of thought that maybe you wait until the day of the game. Maybe a lot of these guys are chasing their early losses.

And of course, the natural tendency of the public is the best favorite and over. A lot of overaction, a lot of points. It's fun to root for points. So I understand. I was thinking about betting more towards the game, but I jumped on it a little bit on the under early, and I did get some underaction. But I think, again, I think

this game may come back, though, and may start boosting back up to that 51, which is one of the key numbers, and there is key numbers, believe it or not. 51 is a game that, you know, 2724, 3714. There's a lot of different numbers that can be involved here. We'll talk about them throughout the season. I'll make sure I get, you know, all the fans are the key numbers, which you want to avoid and make sure you get the right ones this season.

But that's what I'm looking at right now. Has anything changed your mind about a team through the preseason? For example, maybe the Cowboys offensive line. or injury here and there, Harold Landry, which I don't think it would matter very much for the Titans. But anything you've seen the preseason that's got you either on a team or off a team? Well, it's funny. If you're picking on the team that I actually, right away,

when there's injuries, especially to an offensive line, which a lot of people don't realize at home, how important an offensive lineman is to that quarterback and that offense. Huge, huge things you have to pay attention to. So, like, not from a playing perspective because someone did, something good in preseason or not good, I'm not going to go by that for the regular season, because really they're really only playing their second and third string. They want to get the first string out of it. They don't want to get anyone hurt, of course, for the regular season.

But that particular one you're talking about, I actually did bet a little bit, right when that injury went right when a couple of these injuries came out, I did bet a little bit on the Eagles to win their division. Now, it's hard. I do a lot of searching for lines. I do a lot of searching. So I've seen some places had the Eagles to win the division at plus 120, and I found some low hanging fruit at plus 190. So since you hit on that one, absolutely,

there is some certain things with key injuries to key players preseason. All right. I feel like we're getting a lot of steak. I want to hear a little sizzle, right? I want to hear where you put your neck out a little bit so you can feel alive or eye crack. Give me something. Well, I mean, as far as how much I bet on something or would I bet on something early?

Exotics, any games that you felt like might be a layoff, but you win anyways? One of the words, a layoff. Well, I mean, that particular Dallas game, I bet early in the season or earlier, but I still think there's some, I still think there's some gems out there. Listen, I'm a little bit down on the Bears this year. I think it's kind of a rebuilding year for them. I'm, you know, coach problems there. I think that, like, I didn't bet it yet.

I'm seriously looking at San Fran. You got to remember. This particular, there's so many, this is a very unusual, unusual year. You know, you have 16 games. You have 11 road favorites. That is this. So it's going to be so tough for my survivor pools when you have something like that. But I am looking at that road favorite, San Fran.

Didn't bet it yet. And, of course, I'm hoping I can get the six and a half. There are two key numbers in the NFL, three and seven. So I like to lay six and a half instead of the seven. There's something that maybe I haven't really bet yet, and I hate usually betting road favorites, but that's something I'm looking at pretty deeply right now. He's Bill Krakkenberger. Follow him on Twitter at Bill Krakman, professional sports better joining us here on the herd.

I'm curious what you think about the Bill's crack, where you look at them, it just seems to be everybody in agreement. Oh, they're fantastic. You look at all the talent, and they certainly do have talent, but the best odds to win the Super Bowl, Josh Allen has the best odds to win MVP. They have the highest win total along with Tampa, and they're favored on the road in week one that Thursday night kickoff by two and a half points against the defending champion Rams.

I look at all of that, and I just think, is the public a little too high on the bills, in your opinion? Well, in that particular game, and that's another game, if I was betting that dog there, I am not taking two and a half points. I'm buying it to three somewhere because, you know, three is 15% of the games that are line-free, land-free. So it's the keyest number in the NFL.

But, you know, that particular game, literally the defending Super Bowl champions on week one, right out of the gate now, from 2004 onward, 16 games let's look at. The defending champion literally has won 14 of 16. They'll see them come out of the gate here as a home dog. Definitely surprises even me. The game actually did open at 1. It's now 3. I just don't see too much more movement.

The Rams were, like I said, these games come out literally four months ago, and right away they put the Rams as a favorite. It moved three and a half points. Rams were minus one. Now Buffalo is a solid two and a half point favorite. I would not be looking at Buffalo. You understand?

I love betting against the public. So I'm a guy that likes to go against what the public thinks. I want to be on the bookmaker's side. By the time the ball is in the air and the kickoff happens, I want to be on the bookmaker's side. I have a funny feeling the bookmakers might be on the dog in this game. There's a lot of people that are to listen to us that are going to do teasers and parleyes. I'm sure I know your answer to this, but what would your suggestion be if someone is having two teasers or parleyes for the NFL season?

Great question. Great question. Teasers, I actually do, believe it or not, may surprise you guys. I will bet a teaser. I will bet teasers. But I have to get the right price. I have to get the right structure. In other words, in this particular game, let's look at this opening game.

So two and a half, this is a perfect spot for a teaser. I'll actually, I would actually bet the Rams, because I'm taking them from two and a half over and across the number of three, over and across the number of seven. I would look at a six-point teaser, and not seven. Six-point, you should actually lay $1.20 or less on a six-point teaser. The Rams plus eight and a half, and I'll look to put them in with another home team.

I'll tell you, I hate betting road teasers. What that means is I hate betting a team that's on the road, you know, minus nine, you bring it down to, or minus, you know, eight and you bring it down to under the three. I just don't like betting road teaser. I look to bet something more of a home team. But I will bet teas. Not big on parley. Listen, it's the number one bet.

If you ask any bookmaker that would tell you the truth and say, hey, what do you make the money on? it's people that are lined up to bet parleyes and money lines. I want to say money line parles. They say, all these teams are eight-point favorites. They might not cover the eight, but I could put them in a money line, and they'll parlay three, four, five of these big NFL teams and a money line, and I can't tell you how much money these sports books make off them.

Crack, I'll read you a stat, and then I want your thoughts on and a question I have to ask as a follow-up. Since John Harbourn took over in 2008, the Ravens are 9-6-1 against the spreaders, road favorites of a touchdown or more. How much stock do you put into when there's consistency at head coach in records against the spread? Like you're talking about to win preseason, that's for sure. Oh, yeah. Man, they came right out of the box again this year.

That was actually a big bet for me preseason, but I bet that, you know, literally a month or half before when only one or two sportsbooks had that line up. I'm not real big on a team that's publicly known about, like that. Perfect example. Jets are home. There's a lot of circles around that game, but the Jets are home that first opening game for them. It's an early game. Of course, Baltimore, you know,

a old game open up before and a half, it's now seven. I even see a seven and a half on my screen now. So people are going to be all over Baltimore. Don't be surprised if this game doesn't close seven and a half. I will not be part of that. I'm not betting that, you know, that road team. I'm not betting the Baltimore there. not saying I'm betting the Jets either.

But, you know, you have some questions here around quarterbacks. And this should be an interesting game that you said this, though. But I will not be looking forward to betting any road favorites at all. I'm just a home guy if I have to bet something. And I don't really bet a lot of sides guys. You'd be surprised. I'm more of a totals guy. I love betting totals.

I love betting the first half totals. I will bet some, now I will bet some correlated parlies in the first half also. And what that means is I'll be betting a first half and over on a certain. game. It has a double-digit favorite. I like the best first half on over, first half and over on some certain games, and we'll get talking about them throughout the season. Crack, are there any totals that you like in week one? The week one total, the Tampa Bay Dallas game, like I said, I did bet that under. I'm sure, I'm sure I'll have something else here. I did not see that many sports, but a lot of sports

folks, they don't like to put out, well, now I'm seeing more and more, but like, literally, they don't like to go with first half here. They like to put the first half here. They like to put the games up. I'm probably looking at Philadelphia, Detroit over, did not bet that yet, first half over 24, only one, two, there's only three sports books that have that up on my screen here. Probably looking at over there, and you know what, guys, that's something that a lot of people don't realize now. Years ago, you know, all the wise guys and the sharps, they all bet dog and under, you could bet overs now in the NFL. We have seen that, especially the last couple seasons. You can definitely bet overs. And I do that. Even,

I'll tell you what, I bet a college game tomorrow over, a giant number. So I bet Maryland Buffalo over. It's 64, 64 and a half, 65. I just see, I could just see these teams. Maryland, they score a ton anyway. You know, Mac is not on Buffalo anymore. He's out of the NFL. So I see Maryland scoring a lot of points here in this game.

All right, he's Bill Crackenberger. You can follow him on Twitter. Bill Crackman, professional sports better. He'll be with us next Sunday on our countdown to kickoff show. presented by BedMGM. Enjoyed it, crack, and we'll look forward to the metal, starting next Sunday, right? All right, guys. I'm really looking forward to it.

Thanks for having me on. Awesome. Good stuff. All right. You got to be giddy about that, right, Jeff? I'm going to get you guys listening before we're done with this. There's some chain smokers and some tiesto, and we're going to have a party. We're going to have a party on our Sunday show.

You love the 90s rap over there, too, right? Yeah, I feel like I feel. Yeah, I do. Yeah. We do the West Coast hip-all. We go right from, like, Tupac into some David Getta. We're good. Yeah, I feel like I need a little bomb-baying grapefruit juice if I'm going to hang out with Jeff.

Like, get my gin and juice game going. That's right, absolutely. Let's do it. Let's find out what Ryan Music gets down with as well. Let's get to the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

I'm going to have to go with, I align with Jeff Schwartz here. more in that theme of that style of that genre of music. All the shows that we've done, it's still not a metal. It's been years. So that's why I'm a little bit hesitant that you're going to somehow be able to convert Jeff Schwartz in just one short football season

since it's been about six or seven years of working with you, Brian, now. But hey, I don't think it's going to happen. You can tell he's dug in on this one. He's dug in. He's dug in. Well, Jeff Schwartz is an expert on this. Rich Orrenberger is an expert on this.

So we might not get to anything else. NFL Network's Cameron Wolfe had a great article he put out today. The headline is how NFL's offensive and defensive linemen manage their weight. So it's a long article, a ton of great insight. He talked to Joe Thomas, former offensive lineman for the Browns. He estimated that during a season, he would eat 7,500 to 8,000 calories a day. Now in retirement, he tries to keep it down to 2,000 to 3,000 a day. He said, people think we ate stakes all day, but it's quite the opposite.

We need more sugar while we're playing. Every three hours, I knew I had to eat until I felt like I had finished a Thanksgiving dinner. It got to the point that I didn't enjoy eating. Yeah, this is one of those things, Brian, and Jeff, I don't know. Like, what side of the fence were you on? Because there's certain guys where if they look at a slice of watermelon, they gain eight pounds. Yeah, I'm on that side. I'm the one who was in the steam room on Thursday mornings before weigh-ins.

Joe's the opposite. I remember our center in New York, West and Richburg, I was eating. breakfast of them every morning. We were breakfast buddies. And way in the morning, he would eat so much food just to make weight. It was disgusting. And I was the opposite. I would show up at 6 a.m., get in the steam room, make weight at 7.30,

show us and food in my face and go to meetings. I'm not that way. I would have to do the opposite. Yeah, Brian, I look at you and your spelt stature. But I think, I mean, can you put it away? Are you, is there an item of food you can't put down, or you pecking at it like a bird? What's your deal?

I'm going to jump in real quick here, Brian, because I got to know, we just talked about how long you and I have been working together. Are you still in on the Scooby Snacks and Pop Tarts diet or where are we at with that too? Oh, yeah, I still eat like a 10-year-old, basically. My food is touching together. I don't like it. You know, that sort of like. But it's pretty crazy, Rich, where I can eat Pop-Tarts, I can eat sugary foods, I can eat stuff. And I just, I don't gain a whole lot of weight, man.

The metabolism is still working. Yeah, I was the classic had to overeat at every single meal to keep it on. I'm jealous. And unfortunately, that does not bode well for your post career life. Because you get used to that feeling you were describing with the center, you play with Jeff, like this idea that every meal has to be a Nathan's hot dog eating contest where it's me and Chestnut and Kobayashi and we're dunking the dogs and we're just slamming them down. and you just you desire that feeling after a while

feeling completely and utterly stuffed and it's the worst feeling in the world when you first start having to pound food down like that to keep your weight up but then you get used to it and it's a lifestyle and it's dude it was so difficult I was that guy I would have to like slug 48 to 80 ounces of water sometimes

on way and day just to get my weight up to the point where my offensive line coach wouldn't be like what's going on But post career, though, you better shape that I am. That's the difference, though. During your career, it must have stunk. But, like, now I can't lose a single pound. Well, maybe, maybe, although, you know, we sit down and have a meal.

You'll see, I could do some damage. Again, it seemed to eat grossly eat a burrito one time. I think a guy's like, remember Charger's Center, Nick Hardwick? Yes. Where his body just changed. Alan Fanica? Yeah, yeah. Marshall Yonda, I think, is another one, too.

Yonda lost a ton of weight. Jordan Gross was my teammate in Carolina He lost like 100 pounds How much if your body's changed from your playing days? Just fatter Yeah Just fatter Yeah

Yeah like you used to poke and you'd find a muscle And now it's just like whatever underlying organ is there You know So it's like oh there's my kidney I haven't seen you in years Yeah they did lay out So now with the Bengals Ted Karras They gave a little overview of what his day looks like

So this is what he does before practice at 2 p.m. Fruit smoothie, 10 bottles of water, gatorade with salt, gallon of water before weigh in, two extra large uncrustibles, electrolyte powder with water after practice, steak and pasta, a snack, which is usually a protein shake, another gallon of water, another gatorade with salt, another electrolyte with salt, another meal before he leaves the facility, which is usually a cheese steak or a pasta. Then when he gets home, he has more uncrustables, more water, and maybe a frozen pizza before bed. Shout out to the uncrustables right there.

I was a calorie density guy because I really, I counted one time. My calorie threshold to keep my weight up while I was playing late in my career was like 75 to 85, 800 calories a day. So like I finished like, shoot, as soon as I got home, I would eat a pint of ice cream. Like it was just. I just gained weight listening to this conversation. I'm now fatter because I listen to you guys talking about food. I played with guys like you, Jeff, like my whole career,

and I was jealous during the plane career because, like, Jeff could smell like a Wurther's throat lodging and gain three pounds. And I would be there like literally slamming sandwich after sandwich, like, you, I mean, you jerk. Like, you're so lucky. And then now on the other side is different, obviously. Crazy how that works out, man. No doubt.

All right. Coming up next, best for last. We'll see what Ryan Music has for us. Apparently it's something college football related, maybe something to do with the playoff format. We'll find out. I'm Brian No, alongside Jeff Schwartz, Rich Orrinberger, in for The Herd today on Fox Sports Radio.

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The all-new San Diego Sports 960. Big Rich. You go by Big Rich on that thing, huh? Big Rich, CD and Fletch. I know you're excited about that. That's awesome. 760. Did I say it wrong?

Did I say 670? Did I really? I have no idea what he is. But I'm having such a hard time remembering of myself because you bury the old signal number. but you keep calling those back. But, yeah, San Diego Sports 760. This thing is an absolute behemoth.

It blows up the coast. We're hurt in Vegas now. We're hurt in LA. Something's wrong with me. I'm looking at 760 right in front of me. I think I was just rushing it so I could get to Big Rich right there. All that airwaves talking about that Padres won't make the playoffs. Oh, I'll listen to this guy.

And Al-Far Fernando Tateez Jr. is a cheater and a liar. Oh, oh. can't talk. My team is like 37 games back with Dodgers. So what can I say? And by the way, real quick shout out to us because we've got two brand new pregame football shows on Fox Sports Radio. The college one begins tomorrow. Countdown to kickoff presented by BetMGM. Gets underway at 9 a.m. Eastern time until noon. So three hours right before kickoff. And then also our NFL one, we have a pro football. Countdown to kickoff show presented by Bet MGM that starts September 11th. So the first Sunday,

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All right, guys. It's, you know, we saw Rich's team, Penn State, bringing home to win. College football season is officially underway and it's really kicking off tomorrow. So we thought, let's go ahead and go around the horn here. We'll start with you, Rich, with your Penn State Nittany Lions. We've seen a ton of SEC dominance year in and year out winning the college football playoff. But who are the four teams that you would want to see in? Not necessarily who you think will get there.

Penn State Nittany Lions if you want them in they can get in so the four teams you would like to see at the end of the year. Now you got to start with that one and with win one under your belt we're just a few away right to punch in our tickets so yeah the Nittany Lions for sure

this is going to be crazy because I'm going to throw a major curveball at you Nittany lines are one of them USC is the other one I think bi-coastal is the way college football should be and then thrown in an SEC teams say Alabama Dodson pick to win the whole thing.

And then San Diego State. Oh, wow. They are the Cincinnati of this season. The Aztecs, they go undefeated, and they fight their way into the bracket. That's my wish list as far as my final four. All right, guys, so I think if I'm correct, Jeff and Brian, that's the second time Rich has, you know, thrown love to USC's way. So is he leading the clubhouse on the Colin Cowherd love train today? He definitely is. He's sucking up to the boss.

Oh, come, come on. I don't like it. The USC hype train over there. All right, Jeff. He's being this way because he hopes San Diego State takes their spot in our conference. Well, listen, Jeff, if Oregon gets a win this weekend, they could be on track to be there at the end of the year. So who are the four teams you want to see in the college football playoff? Okay, well, obviously, I mean, Oregon.

I'm not including my own team. But I would like to see Utah in the playoff this year. I actually think they can do that. And I'm one of these weird people that likes watching the good teams play. So like Alabama, Georgia, welcome the playoff. I like watching good teams play. And I would like, if you look at, you know, Ohio State's probably going to be in, but I don't know. I've seen Ohio State play enough.

It'd be nice if like a team like Baylor got in. Like I love their coach. They're a physical team. Offensively, they're creative and fun. So I'd be okay if like a Baylor got in this year, a Bama, a Georgia, Utah. I mean, of course, I'd be pumped if Oregon got in. I don't think that's happening. I gave you the opportunity to say it had nothing to do with what you think's going to happen.

You still couldn't even put your ducks in there. Ever the cynic, ever the pragmatist, Jeff Schwartz can't get out of his own head and say, yes, the ducks, they win it all. All right, no show, you're up. Okay, of course, got to go with Notre Dame. I'm from South Bend. I bleed Irish football. So me being the honk I am, they've got to be in there. You're the first person I've known that's actually from South Bend.

Yeah, it's not a metropolis over there. I thought they just grew corn. Yeah, that's a lot of truth to that, Rich. That's not a whole lot else going on. I should be on a billboard now that I think about. No one's done anything outside of coming from South Bend. I'm going to go all yesteryear. I'm going to go with Notre Dame, proud tradition.

I'm going to go with USC. Right, Rich, you mentioned them. Let me go with Miami. I'm never feeling on this show again. And then let's go hook them, baby. Let's get Texas in that thing as well. Get out of here, Bama. Get out of here, Georgia.

Everyone's back in one year? They're all back. All right, all right, all right. They're all back. In one year. In the college football playoff. He went full McConaughey on us. I'm not calling the shot there.

I'm just saying that's what I would like to see. Okay. Okay. Does Notre Dame keep this one close, though, if they make the playoff, or are they getting it blown on again? No, they keep it close tomorrow. They keep it close. Rich, you think so?

I think so. I think that, like, that's the only thing they have to focus on is just not getting embarrassed. Yeah, let's do that at least. Hey, man, fun with you guys. Really good. A lot of fun. Rich. Joe. Brian, no. Rich Orneberger. Jeff Schwartz. Have a great day. We'll catch you later. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We

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