The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Joel Klatt

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about the Bill Belichick, Arch Manning, the start of the college football seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. So Joel Clatt and I were talking during the break. I always felt every college football season, you've got about five teams that can win a natty. We've extended the playoff. I think it's still about five. Joel Clatt's joining us live. Now, Joel thinks it's a much bigger group of teams that can win the national championship.

So I'm going to put the coaches poll on the screen. And I'll give you my five. I've said before. I think Texas, Penn State play for the national championship. I think Michigan's a lot of fools gold. I don't buy LSU. I think Notre Dame and Ohio State could. I just have to see their quarterback play.

Same with Georgia. I just don't know. You give me the nine teams on that list you think can play for the national championship. The top nine. I think the coaches got it pretty right. Those top nine teams, things go the right way. They could easily play for or win a national. championship, which is a much more expanded list.

The top of the sport, you argued in your last segment that the top of the sport has narrowed. I could not disagree more. It has expanded. The top of the sport was as narrow as it was ever in the history of the sport five, six years ago. Georgia, Alabama, maybe Clemson could win the national championship. We knew that before the season, and that was it. That was it.

And now we at least have an expanded version of that. if you were ranked sixth in the preseason poll in 2018, you had no chance. This year, the sixth ranked team, at least in the coaches poll, is Clemson. They've got a great chance to win the national championship. And I go down to nine because LSU has Garrett Nussmeier. Yeah. So my argument is the NIL is the reason for that is that Georgia and Alabama and Ohio State don't have the depth. Because what happens is Louisville comes in and says, yeah, we'll take Ohio State's number three receiver.

So over the course of a longer season due to playoff games, there's injuries. And with more injuries. Georgia doesn't have the depth. I noticed it three years ago. I'm like, if Georgia lost a receiver to the NFL and had an injury, they were pedestrian, a wide receiver. That's where I think the NIL has helped the sport, is it's allowed. I mean, Purdue's got a transfer portal. They got all sorts like a Purdue.

So I think the NIL has created that. I don't think it's the playoff. Would you agree with that? I think that the transfer portal in particular is the greatest driver of what we're talking about, some expanding of the top of the sport. But I also believe that at least access to that playoff has expanded it as well. You know, like for instance, SMU, Indiana, Arizona State, Boise State, they at least were in the dance. You know, Indiana has a chance to go and play Notre Dame. Arizona State goes out there and plays a ridiculously great.

game against Texas really had a chance to win outside of that fourth down that yours was completed right down in the middle of the field like those those to me speak to to what you're talking about what i think i would argue as well is that the transfer portal has created a disparity of talent rather than a stockpile of talent in three four places used to be georgia and alabama at nfl players first string second string and third string and they're too deep could probably beat your But now that's no longer the case. And that talent has dispersed a little bit, and we're seeing that play out. Plus, I would just also mention, it's not lost on me nor anybody that doesn't cover that conference specifically,

that as soon as everybody started becoming eligible, legal to pay players, the SEC lost its dominance. Is that not the most apparent thing going on in college football? No? No, it is. I mean, we all know the story is that one conference was paying dude. and often through different sources and then and other schools weren't and so now you know Oregon and the other thing is I also think that Nick Saban was almost revolutionary and that a lot of SEC teams were bailing on coaches maybe a year before they should have that he was such a disruptor

and so dominant that Nick kind of screwed the whole conference up like like if you couldn't beat Nick, well, we're going to flush out. It's like, guys, nobody, that's the best coaching, that's the best program in the history of the sport. Okay, I want to move to this, though. Is that when you look at that list, you're sitting in Southern California right now. And if the NIL did not exist where schools have to raise $15 million, I think Lincoln Riley would be in big trouble. But you can't ask boosters to pay $18 million for players, buy out your coach at 80 million and then go buy a new coach for 70 million.

When you see a top 25 program and USC is not there in Illinois, Arizona State and Texas Tech and Boise State, what does that say to you about the state of one of the biggest brands in the history of the sport? Yeah, two things. That's a specific USC question, but it's also a question that directly flies in the face of your entire monologue in the last segment, which is that this sport is totally top-heavy and it's just about brands. It's not.

You do have Illinois and others, Texas Tech SMU, that have access to the top of the sport because of name image and likeness and the transfer portal. For USC specifically, I think that they struggled in particular right after their first year because of identity. They didn't know how they wanted to handle NIL. They paid a lot of players that were, I'll face it, skill position. players. They needed to get better on the line of scrimmage. And then I don't think that they recruited as well as they should have. I think that they got caught in terms of who was handling

NIL, how it was going, too many cooks in the kitchen type of a deal. But now what you're starting to see, I think, is a little bit more solid footing. If you look at next year's recruiting rankings, a lot of people have USC at number one, summit number two in the country for next year's high school recruiting rankings. And Colin, I actually believe that this is a team. Now, I don't have them in my top 25 as well, but they were just on the outside. I think it's a team that could eight or nine games and take a step forward. If you look at their schedule, they've got a couple of big ones and then specifically against a top 25 team on the road, Illinois.

If they beat Illinois, then watch out. I think USC could have a really good year. And quietly, Lincoln Riley has been confident this offseason. So the Ohio State game, I mean, we forget. Ryan Day, after losing to Michigan, was in big trouble. And then they go out and they roll Tennessee, and everybody forgets about it. you and I had said, I mean, the guys only losing to Michigan, Jim Harbaugh, and Georgia, like he's a great coach.

But he was getting heat. And now we look at Sark, and Sark to me is this year's Ryan Day. If they lose at Columbus, that next loss with Arch Manning, Sark's getting heat. And by the way, the Texas donors and the Texas, Texas is a weird program. It's, there's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. There's a lot of money coming from a lot of places. And my take is the game is much bigger for Texas than it is for Ohio State. The Natty, I don't think Michigan won't be as strong without Harbaas as they would before.

I think Oregon now is that the program Ohio State will have to annually really look at. So my take is there's actually, there's a little pressure on Sark to win this game with Archmanning. Do you agree with that? You know, yes. I think I understand your premise on that. Plus, they've just gone to two straight semifinals, and now you've got this quarterback. This was what everyone was anticipating when Archmanning signed.

Now, one of the things that Sark has going for him is that, and it's almost like Michigan last year. It's almost like, listen, we understand what came prior, you know? And so, like, Michigan understood what happened to 10 years prior to the last four years when they were able to beat Ohio State and win a national championship a couple of years ago. So their fan base is not quite as on the edge of their seat as maybe they would have been prior. Why does that apply to Texas? Well, Texas fans remember what the desert was like.

I mean, Colin, it was 15 years, 10 years, 15 years, where it was like, is Texas back? Is Texas back? They're churning through coaches. and now all of a sudden they have solid footing. They find themselves where they are a preeminent program, not only in the sport, but in the SEC. They know that Sark can do it. He's recruiting at a high level year in and year out.

And I think that there's this idea with Texas, like, yes, we want to win. Yes, we want to go to the national championship. Yes, we want to beat Ohio State. But we understand that we have it better than we did. And so there's some level of relaxed expectation because of that. Plus, you throw on top of all of that discussion that the playoff is not going to care who wins that game. That'll be determined through the regular season and conference play and getting into the playoff.

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isn't it? They've really used the portal a lot. I don't love that. I don't. I think the portal should be used with discretion. Yeah, but what are they supposed to do? Coach up the kids.

I mean, I mean, come on, come on, right? Like, it's like Dion in his first year. It's like,

there are programs that are forced to go the portal route. You might be right that, okay, recruit and develop. Is that how you get? get to the top of the sport, yes, but that's not how you turn it around quickly. Like if you're Bill Belichick, don't you have to hit the portal to try to be competitive right away? Well, I think he is a much better coach than 99% of the coaches in college, especially, I mean, Dabo staff's very good. I think Carolina's always had pretty decent talent.

I think if they get decent quarterback play, I looked at their schedule. It looks like, I said it looks like a U.S. News and World Report academic ranking. They've got a lot of Dukes and Cows in there in Virginia's. Yeah, the schedule's not daunting. Oh, my, not daunting. It's, it's, it's, I mean, if they just keep turnovers low, they should coach the nine wins. I, listen, I agree with you.

I think that they could finish fourth, fifth fourth in the ACC, just because with the schedule they have in front of them, all they have to do is play Belichick's style of football. Remember, he famously, and Nick Saban says this, and I certainly agree with this premise, is that more games are lost than they are won, in particular in college football. Belichick even felt that way in the NFL,

and so what did they do? They played solid in situations. They didn't turn the football over, and lo and behold, you look up, they were in 10 straight AFC championships and won seven Super Bowls, six Super Bowls with Tom Brady. this type of football with that schedule can get you to eight wins. I'm actually more bullish on North Carolina than Bill Belichick than most because of that.

If he just coaches well, then this is a team that can go out there and win eight games. You're looking at the schedule right now if you're watching on FS1. The toughest game is by far Clemson. Okay, so listen, they're probably going to lose that. And then what else do they have? I mean, TCU to open, they play at Charlotte. They play against Richmond. They play at UCF, which is a bottom tier big 12 school right now at Cal.

Like nothing on that schedule scares me. Two best opponents are probably Clemson and North Carolina State, and you would throw maybe TCU in there as well. But certainly nothing that, yeah, it's certainly nothing that's going to scare you. Yeah. All right. Yeah. How good is the quarterback at Ohio State?

that five-star recruit kid. I have no idea. I went to YouTube and watched him. He looks good. I mean, seriously, the whole season is I got to watch the kid play. So think of it this way. We normally go crazy for anybody that's the top quarterback in the country, right? Yeah. What Julian's saying was the top quarterback in the country when he came out of high school. So is he going to be, you know, the starter?

I'm not sure. They keep saying Lincoln Keenholds is like competing really well. and Ryan is playing coy. They've got Temien St. Clair, who signed with them as well. So they say it's a three-man race. I think it's probably going to be Julian Sand, but I'm not totally sure. Here's the deal, though. Let's pull it back a little bit.

I could throw to Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate, right? Like, the quarterback is not going to be asked to be Superman for Ohio State. They should be able to run it well. Their defense should be solid. and they've got, I think, the best wide receiver that I've seen in college football since I've been covering college football. And Jeremiah Smith, he might be the best player I've seen since I've started covering college football. Yeah.

I mean, I'm trying to think of the last college football player that was that much of a, that looked like that, that literally didn't look like. There's only two. There's only two. And maybe a third if you go back. Clowny. Clowny looked different. Yeah.

But you can't play the line of scrimmage, you know, from 18 to the NFL. There's only two players that I felt like as their true freshman year, they're like, they should be on an NFL field. Adrian Peterson, Jeremiah Smith. Yeah, you're not. Peterson was ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to think of, yeah, there's just maybe Marcus Dupree going back.

Remember, you know, him at OU? Smith is, Smith is ridiculous. I think Jeremiah Smith. I mean, this is probably too much hype. Jeremiah Smith, if he just keeps working hard and developing, I think he has a chance to be a top five receiver in the history of football. That's how good he is. I'll tell you another kid.

When Brock Bowers came from Napa High School to Georgia, immediately. Oh, I mean, in the SEC, which was better about five years ago, you were like, oh, yeah, he's just beaten corners down the field at 6'7. He was pretty good. He was remarkably talented. Remarkably talented. The play he made against Ohio State in the semifinal on a fourth down, he kind of leaned for a yard.

I mean, that was an incredible play. Bowers was phenomenal. Joel Clat, good to see you, man. Hey, it's good to see you. It's good to see you. I'm glad, though, listen, I know it's going to be not in person all the time, but I, you know, I want to continue to hold you accountable.

your last segment was just average before I came on. I just didn't love it. July and August, I'm pretty average. I'm throwing like 84 miles an hour. You're just Greg Maddox? Are you at least nibbling the corners? No, I thank God they don't have the robot cameras yet, or I'd be walking a lot of guys, believe me.

Man, I'd tell you what, in golf, they say, well, he hits it crooked, but at least it's short. Yeah, that's me. That's July and August. Joel Klapp. Thanks, buddy. Good to see you, brother. All right. J-Mack with the news.

No. This is the Herd Line News. Right, Colin, you know, I had the Buffalo Bills winning the Super Bowl this year, but they're off to a rocky start. This James Cook situation remains troubling in Buffalo. He sat out of practice again, and the only reason he gave the media was business. Well, Bill's GM, Brandon Bean, talked to Buffalo Radio yesterday and said the Cook situation was one he did not expect.

That's not something we were fully aware of until, you know, shortly before practice. And so, you know, I get it. I understand it's the world we're in, I guess, of how players want to respond. Yeah, that's not a good admission, is it? I didn't see this coming. Cook's been chirping all off-season. Well, chirping and doing a hold-in. two different things.

It's a bummer because it's a really good back. For years and years, they had a bunch of second tier backs. And they've actually, you know, Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, they got a great left tackle. You feel like they've made attempts to get some weapons. They draft pretty well, being drafts pretty well. But, yeah, it's... I don't know if you saw this here.

And in the last like two hours, the Rams announced that they signed Kyron Williams to a three-year $33 million deal with $23 million guaranteed. So maybe Cook was just waiting for Kyron to get signed and said, hey, I'm a better running back than Kyron Williams. That's a pretty solid. 10 million a year, most of it guaranteed for a really good back. Kyrin, he's a really, really solid back.

Yeah, he's solid, but James Cook is better than solid. Yeah, I think, well, they're both really good backs. I like them both a lot. They're both really good. So do you think Cook can go to the table and say, hey, let's get this done? Kyran got 23 mil, give me 27 mil guarantee. I don't know what number he's seeking. I think James Cook wants more, but I think they're both guys that I feel good.

When you give them the ball, they get the most out of the opportunity. I like, I don't think I'm, I mean, what does PFF and analytics say? I think Cooks slightly better, but I think Kyron Williams is good. Yeah, no, no. Kyron's good. Now, in that McVeigh offense, Kyron is kind of replaceable. That's my opinion. I don't know that Cook is as easily replaceable in Buffalo.

You know? I think the bigger issue for Rams is Blake Corm, can he play at all? Because they drafted him in the third round, and he did not see the field much. Very interesting take. We don't know. I'm not sure what happened. Now, Cook is 25 turns 26 in September. You know the running back shelf life.

It's quick, Colin. I mean, we don't even need to go back to Todd Gurley. These guys are done quick. So I kind of, I'm with Cook here holding out. Get your money. You know they're going to pay him. They're a Super Bowl team. Get it done.

Not a big deal. Let's move on to the next story. That's the Cincinnati Bungles. Sorry, Bengals. They've had some slow starts in the Joe Burrow era. September has been not good for Zach Taylor. Well, Taylor announced to the media that Burrow and other starters are going to play at least a few series in the preseason opener. I'm assuming you like this, right?

Yeah. I mean, the Cincinnati's weird. They've been so mediocre in September. No, no. They've been bad in September. There's usually a reason. for it. My guess is that often Burrow hasn't been fully healthy

in September. Also offensive line play. They've had fairly weak offensive lines and that is a unit that usually takes a while to gel. So between sort of ineffective offensive lines and Burroughs injuries, they've been a bad September team.

So, but yeah, there's the record on the screen on, worse than bad. The worst September team in the last six years in the league. One and 11th. That doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm just spitballing here. I think some of it's Burroughs injuries,

so he doesn't take maybe as many snaps. I mean, nothing else explains it. Well, okay, I can give it to you. Look at the rest of the list. Carolina Panthers have cycled through how many coaches in six years. The New York Giants, multiple coaches, Jets, same deal. Jags, same deal.

Bad coaches. I mean, I think Zach Taylor, I know you're higher on him than market. I'm way down on that guy. I don't even think he sniffs a top 10 coach in the league. And I know he went to a Super Bowl. but why the consistent slow starts. You can't just blame Burrow for all of them.

No, I think it's fair. I mean, it's a post- Thanksgiving league, but when you have arguably the best statistical quarterback, most efficient quarterback, and you're awful in September, there's usually a reason why inside the building, and I think some of it's Burroughs health, and I don't think they've stepped up with Capitol

and protected him with a great, offensive line. That's my take. And O lines take a while to kind of get resolved and kind of work their chemistry up. Yeah. Final story is the commanders. Obviously they were awesome last year Jaden Daniels. Cliff Kingsbury was an incredible OC. Now he did get some looks from other teams, but he has declined. He's going to stay in Washington, obviously. Second year head coach Dan Quinn said the ability to retain Kingsbury and defensive coordinator Joe Whit Jr. gives Washington peace of mind entering the season. Continuity, huge in the NFL. For all the elite teams, you know, with the exception of Jalen Hertz, obviously losing his OC every year, you can look when you

return both coordinators and the head coach and the quarterback, you know, things historically have gone well. And I think Washington is going to be real good this year. Hot take. I don't think, you know, it's this division. If you go look in the last 20 years, you get a different division winner it feels like every year i would not be shocked if washington won the division i think they have the better head coach and the better quarterback and if terry mccloren's playing um with debo that's a pretty that's a pretty solid receiving cord you know i don't buy into year too he's going to struggle i just think he's such an exceptional there there are players you know people point to c j strout cj is not this good this this is this is Andrew luck without

the mistakes. And Andrew Luck didn't have a bad second year. I think we're looking at a historically good player. Now, just to be fair, some of the guys were digging into the fourth down numbers. And apparently, Jaden Daniels and Washington were the best fourth down team in the league in something like

the last 18 years. I don't have the exact number. But, like, that's not, you can't duplicate that, similar to 11 and 0 and 1 score games. What's their schedule look like? The Washington schedule? Well, I know they got a lot of prime time games because Daniels is bang. and everybody wants to see him.

But they open up with a cupcake. So look at that. I get Raiders, Atlanta, Giants, Early. Wait a minute. Atlanta is, Atlanta, Washington, are like kind of even teams, Colin.

It was a close game. There is a lot of wins on that schedule. Where? Giants? Raiders? Let me, let me, okay, Jaden Daniels has clearly established himself as an elite quarterback.

Here's the quarterbacks he's going to face in order. Russell Wilson, Jordan Love, Gino Smith, Michael Penix, Herbert, Caleb, Dack. There's some wins there. 10? You want to go 10 or 9? Yeah, that's, I would go 10 plus. There's a lot of wins there.

I think that's a 12-win team. Eagles twice in the final three weeks does not seem fun, including outdoors in January. Listen, they're beaten Dallas twice and they're beating the Giants twice. That's four wins right there. I'll just say this. If you're looking for a bet, week one, Giants getting six and a half against Washington. I might have to kick the tires on the G-Men there.

You do that. Week one gambling. I can't wait. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Interesting thoughts from Seth Wickersham

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the eight-time pro bowler. So we had a guest earlier. He's coming out with the book September 9th, Seth Wickersham, who writes spectacular sports books. And, you know, he started writing the book several years ago, and he got access to certain coaches.

And he goes, he'll talk, John Elway, Johnny Unitas. He's already made news with Caleb Williams, Arch Manning. But he talked to Sean Payton years ago as he was writing the book, and he shared kind of an analytics formula as Sean Payton was looking for his next Drew Breeze. Sean shared sort of an analytic formula about Bo Nex. When Sean Peyton was first looking to replace Drew Breeze in 2017, he came up with this formula, again, to try to understand processing. And Patrick had a great score on it.

and he was going to pick Patrick. Obviously, the chiefs traded up with Buffalo, took him away. But he kept the same analytics formula. And when he used it this time around, Bo Nix's score was the very best since Patrick Mahomes. The formula that he developed, he had a lot of confidence in it. And I think a lot of that had to do with Patrick Mahomes. So it's interesting because Jaden Daniels was so spectacular,

and he plays in a division with the Cowboys and the Eagles and the Giants. Those are blue blood. huge brands that Jaden Daniels kind of stole all the thunder from Bo Nix. But if you look at completions, total touchdown passes, totally yards, Bo Nix had more. And I would argue Bo Nix was in a division with better coaching. Bo Nix had to face Steve Spagnola, the best defensive coordinator in the league. Jesse Mentor, a top three defensive coordinator, arguably in the league.

So Bo Nix played in a better division against Bess. better defensive coordinators. And if you go from like week four on, 29 touchdowns, eight picks, a pass rating over 100, he was money. I mean, he was really good. So, and I think people, I watched Bo Nicks live. I watched them 15 times, 20 times on TV.

I watched them live twice his last year of college. And I knew he was going to be drafted early. So I watched him. I went to Husky Stadium, and I watched them at the 40-yard line. and then the second half, I went to the end zone and watched him. And then I went a couple weeks later. They played Utah, and I watched him right on the bench behind Oregon. And a pretty captivating guy, more ripped than you think, more, very athletic, very vocal on the sidelines.

And I think the other thing with he and Peyton is I think their personalities are similar. They're very blunt people because Bo Nix is, I think he's married already, 61 starts. No, Nix came out of college like a man, not passive-aggressive, can handle hard coaching. I think he had like four or five offensive coordinators in college. Bo Nix had all the things you need to be successful in the NFL, had to deal with a lot of coordinators, SEC, PAC-12, and he played in that PAC-12 season where the Pac-12 may have had their best season as a conference ever, they were like four really good teams. And so he came out, and I just think Jaden Daniels stole a lot of the thunder.

Nix was fantastic last year. We had some stats I saw earlier today where we listed all the rookie quarterback numbers. It was like first and second in all of them, mostly first. And again, Rocky Mountain Time Zone, you know, Washington's up there playing the Eagles, Jaden, Daniels, playing the Cowboys, Giants. Those games just get more eyeballs. Keep your eye on Bow next. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. First things.

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