The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Jordan Palmer joins The Herd
Episode Date: August 8, 2024QB expert Jordan Palmer joins the show to tell us what we can expect from the rookie QBs entering the NFL and Sam Darnold taking hold of the QB1 position in MinnesotaSee omnystudio.com/listener for pr...ivacy information.
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Well, I'm excited for this weekend.
First of them, I'm going to see some of these young quarterbacks.
And I'm also going to see an old friend, Sam Darnold in Minnesota.
I bumped into him, name drop, at the Christian McCaffrey wedding.
And he looked great.
He was in shape, cut up.
I was just like, Sammy was part.
Greg Olson was there.
Jonathan Stewart, Luke Keekley.
And, you know, just one of the guys, very, very well-liked guy.
The Bow Nix, Michael.
panic. There's a lot of stuff this weekend. Jordan
Palmer, founder of a quarterback summit.
By the way, launching a new
nutrition company thread performance, designed
for young athletes. So maybe
it's, you know, it's the USC
thing. It's that I like him.
It's that I think he just
didn't get a shot.
It's like, okay, now he's got a left tackle
and a really smart coach and
two really good receivers. And not
a great defensive division.
Am I being irrational with Sam
Darnold, or do you see something
potentially Jordan here.
Now, full, full disclosure
here. I've been drinking Sam Darnold
Kool-Aid since I met him when he was 14,
but there are some
some just truths here
to what you're saying, and I know you go way back with
Sam too, but I
think with players like Sam, and I'll put him
in the category of guys who are
upper echelon talent. He's the third
pick in the draft, not because he got lucky, but because
his talent justify that. I've
been around him a long time. It's been a lot of time
with him this offseason, never seen him cut a corner,
once as he showed up late, left early.
Got a bail, got something this weekend.
I'm going to go to Vegas with my buddy. He's just never cut a corner.
Great head on his shoulder, smart, great family, settled, just mature.
Players like that, I always tell them there will be a time and a place where all you have to do
is play to the best of your abilities, not above it, and you'll be in every game with a chance
to make a run at the end, which is honestly all you can ask for.
I've been waiting for this.
I was hoping it was the Jets, and it just wasn't.
That was just an impossible situation to have success in.
I thought it might be Carolina.
Then he got a new coordinator, Ben McAdo.
It just wasn't that in Carolina.
But this last season, getting to sit, watch Brock Purdy play,
soak up everything that Kyle Shanahan has.
One of the things about the San Francisco 49ers,
their best players on their team are also the most bought-in players on their team.
Sam hadn't been around winners.
They weren't winning at SC like that.
They didn't win the Jets.
They didn't win in Carolina.
He got a chance this last year to essentially redshirt.
and just be around a winning culture and now go and be the starting quarterback in another winning culture that's on the rise.
And I'm bullish, and I think Sam is set up for a comeback player of the year type of season and the personnel, the play calling and the situation around him.
So, Bo Nix and J.J. McCarthy, both third on the depth chart, but you're just installing stuff.
I don't take much from it.
The veteran guy is like a Stidim.
He's just been around.
He knows the offense.
So I don't take a ton from it.
Bo Nix is more interesting because I do believe in the case of Bo Nix.
You don't have a Sam Darnold there.
A guy that could really win 10, 12 games, in my opinion.
Bo's got to cook it pretty quick.
They got the Oregon receiver, Mims, Cortland Sutton.
I like their backs.
Left tackles good.
Sean, and he has an offensive coach.
Jordan, a lot of these young guys have defensive coaches, these rookies.
It's harder.
I like Bo Nix.
What's realistic for me?
on Bo Nix, not much of a defense, he's got to have to win some high-scoring games.
What's realistic to expect from him?
Well, I think it depends on when Bo Nix enters the game.
I think Jared Stidham is one of the most underrated quarterbacks in football right now.
If you think about it, very limited playing time, Jared was in New England.
He backed up Tom.
And really as a fourth-round pick, rookie, he was the two in New England.
And that was, I think, Brady's like 14th year or something like that in the same.
system with Josh McDaniels.
And for him to go from Gus Malzon's offense to speaking fluent New England Patriots
elite level offense, that growth in that year, just them trusting them to be the two said
a lot to me.
And then when he did finally get to play two seasons ago at the end of the year in Vegas, he
torched Kansas City.
I think he had over 300-something yards all purpose.
And then he torched San Francisco and played great in both of those games.
And so I know that Sean McVeigh does not sit here and go, we got some more.
like bridge guy and let's hurry up and get Bo Nix out there.
I don't think they need to rush Bo Nix out there.
I think Jared Stinnam's going to play at a high level.
When Bo's number is called Bo, my expectations for him are really high,
partly because of how much football he's played in college, right?
Played more at more starts than anybody.
But the second part of this is his context, he has more experience
of what it takes to play be a franchise quarterback than, say, J.J. McCarthy.
J.J. McCarthy's only one.
In every game he's been in, they were going to run the ball for 300,
yards and they were the they were favored in basically every game boonex played on some bad
Auburn teams and was booed out of the building and had pressure and people turning on him he
has that experience and then he has the experience of lighten it up at Oregon for two years so i
think bow next you know married just settled he's an adult stepping in when bow nix's numbers
called my expectations are high because of yes his talent and his ability in the play caller
but his experience of what it actually takes to succeed in the league i think he's got
as much as you can have being a rookie and never actually having a start.
So I think Washington, the commanders are my Houston Texans from a year ago.
We kind of roll our eyes.
What a mess.
Not well run.
Not smartly owned.
But here's what I like.
It's like being part of a great recruiting class in college.
Jaden Daniels comes in.
Everybody's new.
Owner, GM, coach, coordinate, draft class.
And it's like this new wave of guys and everybody's equal.
There's no executive in the corner room that's, you know, a little tribal and he's got territory.
Everybody's new.
I think they're going to be Houston.
I think they're going to shock people.
What say you on Jaden Daniels?
I see all the same writing on the wall.
And I think when you're around this league, as long as I've been around this league,
it's great to have, you know, you talk a lot about having an offensive head coach, right?
And I think that's helpful.
And that's beneficial.
He doesn't have that there.
but having great skill positions is helpful.
You want to sustain success in the NFL?
You need a great owner.
This league is about ownership and great decision-making,
and they've got that.
These guys were there last year.
They got to sit, watch, learn,
and I think it starts with ownership,
and you can make a case that they had the 32nd best owner two years ago.
Yeah.
And now they've got somebody who's in the top group
and they'll prove that over time.
But I totally agree.
Everything's new.
You don't have to have a conversation with one person, but then make sure the other person didn't hear it.
It's a blank slate for everybody.
And there's no pressure.
That fan base isn't expecting a Super Bowl this year.
And Jaden gets to come in kind of quietly and just get better and learn how to play.
But it's specifically to Jaden's his skill set.
It's the skill set up for success early.
Look, a rookie quarterback is not going to come into the league and just week one, see every pressure coming.
every outlet, have every nuance of the game. What you do need to do is you need to be mobile
enough to get out of a bad situation, which Jaden is significantly more mobile than C.J. Stroud.
And then you've got to be able to take the shots and take advantage of big plays when they present
themselves. C.J. Stroud did that last year at an A plus level, and I think that's a big part
of Jaden's game, too. Those are great deep ball. He's mobile enough to get out of a bad situation.
and I think the intelligence level, how smart,
and his study habits that Jaden has are commiserate with C.J. Stroud,
which, you know, just prove you can't come into the league
and play the way that C.J. did and play the way I think Jaden's going to play
if you are not very, very intelligent with great study habits
where you can retain this level of information.
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Finally, I think Caleb Williams is a very good prospect.
I do think you have to acknowledge at times he was moody.
You could see it in the sidelines.
He's a highly emotional player.
It's not the end of the world.
It's just something I saw.
I didn't see that with Andrew Luck.
But there are times he's really emotional.
Good, bad.
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That's not much of a criticism.
But when you're the centerpiece of a college offense and you go to the NFL with a good, not great old line, you can get humbled very quickly.
Anything I would see in the first couple of weeks that would concern you, I mean, if you break these guys down, is there anything you're like, that worries me a little bit?
He can be a little erratic to me, little erratic on accuracy.
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with a bunch of college kids one more year.
I think he was ready last year.
And I think he might have been the number one pick last year.
And I think most people would agree that he'd be the number one pick last year.
It's like when somebody holds their kid back in eighth grade, right?
There's statistics and data that supports this.
When you hold somebody back and they just straight repeat eighth grade again,
their attention goes down, they get in trouble, they kind of act up a little bit more,
it's because they're bored.
And they're not being pushed, and they've already heard this before,
and they've already learned this information.
And I think that's what happened last year where he got bored.
And I'm not saying that they didn't go undefeated.
He did not win the national title, right?
I think he played great last season with what was around him.
But I think another year of college football, the expectations were unrealistic, right?
It was national title in back-to-back Heismans.
And I think he's going to be pushed.
and he's not going to come in, it's not going to be easy.
And I think last year it was easy to sustain the level of success that he did that got him
a he's going to got him the number one pick.
This is not going to be easy.
He's going to be pushed every week to learn and grow.
He's not going to be able to make the same mistake twice.
And if he does any stuff in the Chicago market, which I played in,
if he does any stuff that's just kind of silly in the Chicago market,
it's going to be exacerbated and it's going to feel a lot bigger.
I don't see any of that coming.
I think he's going to play well early.
and I just think that he's grown, he's going to be pushed so much,
that you're not going to see any of the stuff that I would attribute to boredom
as opposed to I would attribute to character.
That's such a good smart take.
And J-Mack, I wish J-Mack you could deliver those kind of takes once in a while.
That was really smart.
That whole thing about you hold a kid back and they get bored, they get in more trouble.
I don't know Jordan where Jordan gets this stuff.
He didn't know that question was coming.
That was good.
Okay.
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I'm fired up for this weekend. I want to watch these young guys.
Great seeing you, man. I can't wait, man. Are you kidding?
me, football's here. I can't wait. I can't wait either.
Jay Mack, you picked the Vikings to get to the playoffs.
That's good. By the way, his take on the eighth graders
being held back. No, that's a good take.
That's out there, but a lot of people
are redshirting their kids.
to hold them back. So physically, they're, you know, more mature. They go fully through puberty.
So they can get a D1 scholarship. Well, again, I'm not totally advocating this.
Although I did try to lobby the wife. Nevertheless, this is back in the day I tried to.
Don't you want them to be, they're going to make more money in academics than they are?
Obviously, obviously. But I'm not going to hold kids back.
Yeah. No, I totally understand that. But if you go to Texas, Texas High School football, everybody does.
Literally everyone does it.
Did you want to go to seventh grade again?
I did not.
I was pretty good.
So you could get a sculling in the classroom?
I really thought I was going to the NBA when I was like a middle schooler,
and then I tried out for the freshman team, and I got caught.
So I realized at that point, yeah, it's not happening.
Let's focus on the schoolwork and sports and the hot takes.
You have almost 100% chance to do well academically,
and about 3% chance to 1% chance to do great athletically in your 30s and 40s.
Well, that's why some of these, like, kids who dominate high school football are, like, 19 years old playing against, like, 16, 17-year-olds.
So it's like, oh, maybe he's not a great player.
He's just cooking really young guys.
Well, you see that sometimes.
Kenny Pickett had gone to college for four years.
This happens to college, yeah.
And then he comes to the NFL, and it's like, did that really benefit Kenny Pickett?
He got one quick contract.
He was a first-round pick.
He got paid, you know.
Had a great year at Pitt in that when he was, like, 23 or 24.
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I'm not telling parents how to parent, but it's just, I know as a kid, I don't care how good I was at middle linebacker.
I don't want to go to eighth grade again.
I was so done with high school.
By the middle of my sophomore year, I'm like, I got to take social studies again, and what am I doing?
Well, some of this is like if your birthday is close to the cutoff, it makes sense to hang back.
But yes, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it.
It's a good discussion.
But let's go to the NFL, and Sean McDermott announced that Josh.
Allen and the rest of the starters will play for about a quarter in the Bill's preseason game Saturday against
Da Bears. Before that announcement, Alan was asked if he feels he needs to get any preseason reps.
Now listen closely to this one.
I don't feel it makes a difference for me at this point in my career.
So to get things rolling would be nice, but I understand not getting out there and making sure that we're being healthy and being protective.
So again, it's a double-edged sword any way you look at it.
If I'm asked to play, I'll play.
And if I'm told not to play, I won't play.
So the competitive juices in me want to play.
But I understand that, you know, week one, we've got some time.
Yeah.
That's kind of how I would be.
I'm a little surprised he's playing.
Well, I don't know.
You got a rookie receiver wanting to have a few live snaps with him.
You can't be fear-based.
You can't be afraid people are going to get hurt.
It's pro football.
They're going to go play games.
LeBron plays in the preseason when he was.
in his prime, like, just go play games.
All right.
They open against the mighty defense of the Arizona
Cardinals, and then it's the Miami Dolphins
and the Jacksonville Jag. He's probably only
getting eight snaps. You're not playing
him as long. Here's my thing.
You're not getting down timing off eight snaps.
Well, here's my take. Are you playing your first
team O line? If the answer is no, I wouldn't
play him. If the answer is yes for a series,
I want to play my offensive lineman.
Forget Josh, if I want my
first team offensive lineman
to play, that's the hardest
unit on a football team to get cohesion.
So if they're playing, I might as well put Josh in for like eight plays.
So we get the snap count, the audible, the bark.
I mean, to me, it's all about the O line and the pre-I mean, honestly, the whole team,
outside of rookie quarterbacks, if you don't have a rookie quarterback, all I care about is
get snaps with your starting offensive line, unless it's Trent Williams and he's the best
left tackle in the sport.
No, it's a fair argument.
I don't know.
I just remember when I joined this show, we didn't do preseason snaps.
We just went, skip the preseason, right to week one, hit the grade.
ground run. Remember that? You were a rookie.
There were no hiccups. We took a chance
because you were a rookie. We took a chance.
Thank God you dropped into coverage.
Otherwise. I don't even know what that
means. All right, let's move on. C.J.
Stroud. This is your new guy.
I know you love you some C.J. Stroud here, he is
dancing at Texans camp. Listen,
he's living the dream right now. Offensive rookie
of the year. Texans get to the playoffs
for the first time since 2019.
He throws such a beautiful ball.
Oh, that's your line. He throws a beautiful
deep ball. That ball floats
like a butterfly through a fall wind.
Jeez, okay, Shakespeare.
Despite all that early success,
C.J. Stroud still has a lot to learn.
And O.C. Bobby Slowick says he's continuing to push Stroud
and make things difficult for him in camp.
I'm not always going to script a great play call for C.J.
to go and throw it in number one.
I might intentionally script a play where he has to get all the way
to last in the progression as an outlet.
Like, we want it to be hard.
And they embrace that.
Everybody has a whole lot that we can continue to get better at.
We can continue to improve upon.
And it could be something big that really affects the entire offense,
or it could be something very small.
It's just for him individually.
All I know is when C.J. Stroud lets go that puppy.
He puts it right in that little breadbox, pretty spiral.
It's just magic.
It's pretty.
His comp was Jared Goff, and they both throw a beautiful ball when they have time.
A beautiful.
And he's just so,
Look at that.
He's so effortlessly accurate.
Like, it's just easy for him.
He's a beast.
I mean, watch this.
Watch these throws.
A little pressure.
Look how pretty that.
Literally.
This against a cold secondary.
Come on, bro.
50 yards in the air.
Look at this ball.
It's a dime.
Oh, my God.
Hey, you notice what you're not seeing.
CJ's tried against Elite Jets defense.
They ate him up.
Oh, give me a break.
Now, I know the Browns had a really good defense last year.
He had the flu that week.
And he cooked him.
Actually, he got knocked out of the game.
But listen, I'm looking at the schedule for the Texas, okay?
Whether or not your concern is, well, they got digs, some newness, a lot of new pieces,
they open up with the Colts followed by the Bears.
They're going to be fine.
I think they are going to be very fine.
I went back to that New York game.
I've just been reminded it was pouring rain that day.
Hey, it's part of the, you know, you go to the northeast, it's going to be raining.
Maybe you have a little bit too much sauce.
Boom.
Listen, everybody has a bad Sunday.
CJ had one bad Sunday.
Give me a break.
His first start against the Ravens was forgettable.
He did not look great.
But it's a first start, rookie.
I get it.
But second start, it was like he made a throw.
I remember one throw he made, and I was like, okay, boom.
I was like, okay, that's it.
He can play.
It was just just boom, dime, 38 yards, corner,
and I'm like with pressure and I'm like, yeah, that's a big.
Who would you rather have next three years?
Jordan Love or CJ Stroud?
At this point, Stroud is more refined.
So I'd probably go, Stroud.
Whereas Jordan, I'm still guessing a little bit.
They're both good.
Caleb or CJ?
Well, I haven't never seen Caleb play.
Yeah, okay.
Tough one.
You want one more?
No.
Okay.
Move on to the next story.
Fine.
That's Michael Pennix.
He might have been the top draft pick.
I think he went eighth overall to the Falcons,
but he's not in line to be the starter because of that guy named Kirk Cousins,
who's going to be the starter in Atlanta.
Pennix will get plenty of reps in the preseason.
Rahim Morris confirmed.
He'll get a good.
Good look at the rookie when the Falcons take on the Dolphins Friday.
I know you're fired up to see your guy, Pennix.
Cook, a terrible Miami secondary.
I am fired up for all these guys, but Pennix, I'm going to be right on this one,
that Pennick sitting for a year is the best thing that ever happened.
Aaron sat, Carson Palmer sat, Mahalms sat.
Here's where that falls apart.
You say sitting for a year.
You also have the Falcons being awesome this year because of the schedule, winning like 11, 12 games.
And they go to the playoffs.
Well, if that happens, Pennix is sitting next year, too.
Nope, you know what happens?
Kirk Cousin's stock. Boom, somebody goes, give it.
Raiders are like, we won four games, we have the third pick, we don't get the top two quarterbacks, we'll take Kirk Cousins.
You're trading Cousins after he wins 12 games and guides you to the playoffs?
Absolutely, baby.
No way.
I would.
I'm a risk taker.
I would trade him.
I'd say, Kurt, nice knowing you.
We got a free quarterback for the next several years?
Absolutely.
If Kurt crushes, buy low, sell high, move him to Vegas.
get a number two pick, boom, off and running.
That would take some major Cajonists.
Now, I would be impressed if they did that.
Colin, come on.
Cowherd.
If they win 12 games to those players.
A new nickname.
I like Pennix.
It would be interesting if Pennix is like 14 for 15 Saturday with like three touchdowns.
Why isn't he starting?
Why do we have Kirk Cousins?
But I digress.
All right, J-Mac with the news.
Well, that's the news.
And thanks for stopping by.
The Hurd-Ly.
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One of the all-time greats, a basketball hall of famer,
a four-time Olympic gold medalist, 12 times all WNBA,
second leading score for the U.S. Olympic basketball team, all time.
Now, only behind Kevin Durant, who just became the all-time leading score.
She's joining us from Florida, Lisa Leslie, the great Lisa Leslie.
Nate Smith, Basketball Hall of Fame.
Okay, so not every great player goes to the Olympics, Lisa, and flourishes.
Steph Curry, he's kind of struggling.
It's the FIBA rules.
You were able to flourish, like Kevin Durant, NBA, college, U.S.
and in the Olympics.
But I see some of these players like Steph are struggling.
Did you ever play with great players who struggled?
And why is Olympic basketball different?
What works, what doesn't?
You know, honestly, I think you have to really keep it simple in the Olympics.
It's not, you don't want to over-dribble.
The ball kind of sucks, to be really honest with you.
It's a little slicker than what, you know, the leather ball that we're used to.
But I had some amazing, I mean, phenomenal teammates who've got me the ball.
ball. And listen, Fallon, I scored 101 points in high school. Like, I can score the ball. That was
not the hard part for me in basketball at all. Put in that ball in that basket is what I love to do.
And I earned the confidence of my teammates, how I posted up, how I demanded the ball, how you work
every day in practice. And when people see Kevin Durant's work ethic and his shooting and how much
he just, he's just such a bucket, you know? And I was a bucket. So that's why I was able to score so
much. But you are also a great
defensive player. You were a couple
time, you really play
defense. For the record, Kevin Durant's
a willing defender. He's not a great defender.
Was it ever hard
when you went to the Olympics because
you were dominant favorites like our men
are now? And I mean, they've been
crushing people kind of surprisingly.
Was it hard to stay engaged
when you're a 25-point favorite every
game?
It's not hard to stay engaged, Colin,
because you do not want to be a part of that group.
that does not bring home the gold.
And everything's riding on it.
And in fact, the most pressured game is the game prior to the gold medal round.
Because if you lose that game, you're out.
And it's like you're going into the bronze medal round, which sucks.
And you could possibly not even get a medal.
So I think that's the most pressured game as a game prior to the gold medal game.
When you're in the gold medal game, listen, it's either you win gold or you lose gold.
Like, you don't win silver, you know?
So nobody wants to be a part of that.
I'm telling you, not in a team sport.
I think the individual sports, you know, when they're swimming or, you know,
Shakari Richardson who came up with silver, like, I think those are amazing because you're,
I mean, we're talking about, I mean, little seconds that people are apart.
But when you think about basketball and the whole team, no, like, you do not want the silver medal.
So I've been arguing that Olympic teams, men's and women's, after you get past the top five or
six players. They can be a little political. Isaiah Thomas didn't make it. Jalen Brown didn't make it for
this team. Kyrie didn't make it. And that they should have included not just Caitlin Clark,
but Angel Reese, because I believe those two are the future of the WNBA. And my take is put them
at the end of the bench. They'll get eyeballs. Have these rivals practice together. Magic and
Bird, form a bond. It's just good for the sport. It'll get more eyes on these women that can get more
endorsements. You know, the Olympic movement for the women said,
they're not ready yet and my take is well i don't know if christian latner was ready but it was
kind of interesting it made me you know you're favored in all these games do you think it was a
mistake not including not just katelyn but angel on the team well this is what i think Colin i think
it's watering the bridge at this point because there are one game away from winning the gold medal
and what i also thought about was how this sets up the next olympics that are in los angeles
back in the united states there'll be katelyn's first olympics
It'll be Angel Reese's first Olympics.
And wow, what an amazing setting for those women.
Could they have taken those players and got them ready?
I think me personally, absolutely.
Did they?
They did not.
So it's going to just be a different story.
We have so many strong, powerful women.
And then the second thing is that there is a pool play that has to happen
when you play USA basketball that those players didn't necessarily participate in
to make the women's Olympic team.
So we have to also respect the committee.
They decided to leave them home.
But I do agree with you.
Christian Layner, we took Rebecca Logo.
We didn't always take the best player who was deserving to be there.
I set my peace.
They didn't take them.
We're moving on.
We got a minute left.
The attendance exploded WNBA.
How'd that make you feel?
Do you feel good about that when you watch the sport?
100%.
I'm like a proud mom.
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Listen, I have nothing to say negative.
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You look great.
This is a great time.
The gymnastics, Katie Ledecki, Simone Bile, the whole thing's amazing.
Like this has been the gymnastics.
Even when we lose, we lost
the beach volleyball to Switzerland the other day.
It was so magnificent.
It was so regal.
Lisa Leslie, basketball hall to fame.
What a pleasure to see you again.
Thank you so much.
Likewise, Colin.
Thanks for having me.
You bet.
Simone Biles has been just,
it's really been,
I'm trying to think,
gymnastics, track and field.
I go back to, you know,
Carl Lewis.
This may have been,
and this may be on competition, quality of athletes, close finishes, this may be the best Olympics I can remember.
It has played so well on television.
I mean, I've been so engaged.
And we have just enough stars, many, most are women.
I mean, obviously you have the basketball teams, but it's just been the gymnastics.
Even remember our men's gymnastics team, which they're, I mean, they, they,
shockingly,
some guy on the pommel horse had like an amazing routine.
But we should also give a shout out.
You know, Peacock's app, you don't have to let NBC tell you what to watch.
You can go to the app and pick the sport so you can now control what you're watching,
which I think is great because some of the stuff I'm not interested.
You're not interested in every sport, right?
No, no, no, no, no.
But I will tell you this.
Gymnastics is something that I don't watch until the Olympics,
and it has the ability.
Maybe it's the proximity, the athlete.
I mean, first of all, it's so hard.
I mean, it's so precise.
And you just watch gymnastics.
I cannot watch it for four years.
And in five minutes, I'm a nervous wreck.
And it's a very few things can do that.
Men's and women's gymnastics at this Olympiad performance in Paris has been as good as I ever remember.
And again, maybe it's recency bias, but it is something.
Swimming's always good.
Yeah.
And we're always good in swimming.
We're dominant.
All right.
We're off tomorrow.
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