The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

Looking at the playoff careers of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson and what's holding them back More thoughts on the Colts moving to Joe Flacco as their QB   Guest: Drew Brees  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All sorts of stuff now. Now baseball season's over. And college football is just ramping up. Ohio State, Penn State this weekend. I'll take the Buckeyes in a low-scoring game. We both like the Buckeyes. I think it's a low-scoring game. NBA's heating up.

J-Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hirdline News. That's some NFL news, Colin. Derek Carr looks like he's coming back from the oblique injury expected to start this week. Things have not gone well without him.

They've lost six in a row, three of them without Carr. Here's what Carr said. He doesn't expect them to save their season. I am no savior. There's only been one of those. And that is not me. I am here to be a great leader and to be a great teammate and to do my job the best of my ability. And do I feel confident what I'm not.

I can do absolutely. I feel confident what I can do. I feel confident and what I can bring to our team. And that's exciting, right? But, you know, to save us or anything like that, that's not me. Yeah, that's also the savior thing doesn't make any sense. You know, people look at Stafford and Brady, they did not save the Rams and the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers had the number three offense in the league with Bruce Ariens and all sorts of great pieces. Brady just cut down the turnovers and they drafted Tristan Wurfs and got Lenny Fournett, and it's like, it's a really good roster. This idea, when Russell Wilson in Denver was a savior move, didn't work. Aaron Rogers, Jets, not a savior move, but this doesn't work.

Saints 7 and a half in Carolina this game? I'm not touching it. First of all, I don't want to watch it, so I'm not touching it. You don't, yeah. There's a game every weekend, mostly Titans games and Panther games. I don't want to watch them. They're clearly the two worst teams, like unplayable. You can't watch them.

You can't bet them. it feels like a body bag game for the Saints. There are teams that aren't great. Like right now, the Rams record, oh, it's not a great team. Rams are fun to watch. They can beat anybody. There are other teams out there.

Chicago's not a great team, but I like watching the Bears. Yeah. All right, let's get to another bad team. The Las Vegas Raiders, they've lost four straight. The offense has been putrid. Colin, Vegas ranks 26th and points per game,

29th in yards, and last in giveaways with their awful quarterback situation. Antonio Pierce, So he's sticking with his O.C. Luke Getzzi. It has to get better. There's been a lot of opportunities for us to score points and make opportunities. And, yeah, that's on the play call. But then also, like I told our staff and I told our players, all of us,

it's not, it's easy to say at this point of the finger at Luke or myself. But, you know, we've got an O-line play, quarterbacks, running backs, you know, turnovers, mis-blocks, mis-execution on plays, alignments of details. All those days have to get cleaned up. Yeah, play-callings overrated. players are underrated. So you know, you ever notice when you hear about bad play calling,

it usually go hands in hand with mediocre quarterback play. I mean, Carolina has been complaining about play calling and Seattle about play calling. Nobody ever talks about the Rams play calling. I think play calling, execution underrated, play calling, overrated. You know, I said that keep saying the Jets is not a good job. I think the Raiders might be worse.

I mean, the numbers speak for themselves. They have no quarterback. I don't think they have a lot of talent on this team, Colin. Well, what really hurts that job is you have to face Andy Reid twice a year, Jim Harbaugh twice a year, and Sean Payton twice a year. That's another good point, yeah. That is, this job's a tough job. Whereas if I'm in the Jets Division, I get Mike McDaniel, is he the guy,

Sean McDermott hasn't won the big games, Gerard Mayo, we don't know if he'll be there in three years. So, I mean, I mean, Andy Reid, Harbaugh, and Peyton are three of the top six coaches in the sport. And that's six games a year. And Mahomes is not going anywhere. He's still a young guy. He's got at least another decade. Herbert's got another decade.

Bo Nix now has another decade. So, I mean, unless the Raiders get Shadour Sanders. That's the guy they need. None of these other quarter, nothing against Cam Ward or Quinn. There is one big-time college quarterback this draft. One. Well, I was thinking along the lines of just popularity and familiarity. I don't care about that.

No, but people know who he is. Like, what's the identity of the Raiders for like the last, I don't know, five years? They don't have one. Like, who's the face of the franchise? Who has it been? Max Crosby. Crosby? Yeah.

A defensive end? Well, he's great. I think he's tough. I think he is the tats, the toughness, the attitude, he's a Raiders. If you're in Vegas, are you going to games to watch Crosby? Well, I'm going to games. Are you? Yeah.

I mean, they play, I mean, I get Herbert and Mahomes. I love you. So you're not going against for the Raiders. You're going to see the incoming teams. Again, Shadour would really help them big time. Now, Cam Ward, I think is going to be better. We'll see. We'll disagree.

Somebody is going to mortgage their future on somebody beyond Shadur Sanders and blow the franchise up. My take is right now, the Raiders are in the lead seat with Carolina to get Shadur Sanders. I would rather see him go to the franchise up. Raiders, they have Colton Miller a left tackle. Brock Bowers is absolutely great. Jacoby Myers is a top number two receiver. They've got an edge rusher. I've been saying this. The Raiders have some components. Now, do they have the right coach? We don't know. Quarterback, mess. But if you

put a Shadoura Sanders in there, the Raiders O-line, Brock Bowers is literally the best tight-end prospect. He may be the best tight end in the league by next year. So I get all that. Yes, if you're Antonio Pearson, you're in the war room before the draft, and they're like, we need Chador. Antonio Pierce, just know, the second you draft him, when is Dionne Sanders going to be the head coach? All right, whatever. I'm not afraid of that. If you're Antonio Pierce, you should be very afraid of that.

They're going to run you out quick because he already is not looking good as a coach. Over to the NBA for the final story, Con, the Lakers, they got destroyed by Cleveland last night, keep an eye on those calves. But the story of the night was LeBron James' son. Brony scored his first NBA bucket. The game was a blowout. Midway through the third quarter, Brani got some buckets.

A nice little step back. I think he used LeBron's move they were calling it. Not a snatchback, but it was a nice little handle there. And he talked about scoring his first NBA bucket. Pretty much since I picked the ball up. I've been watching this guy for a minute playing in the league. So, you know, just dreaming of me being in those players steps. not only his, but the players that he's playing against him with.

So, yeah, it was just a dream come true. Yeah, yeah, okay. Pretty awesome. Brony, two points to assists a steal in five minutes. You guys just making plays out. Okay, I'm joking. But it's exciting, man. Come on.

He's sitting next to his dad. And in the pressure? Did you see what happened to the final score? Yeah, yeah, Lakers got destroyed. What? Is that a big deal? Well, I tend to think winning and losing is kind of a big deal. I congrats on the baseline jumper,

but I kind of think winning games and losing games is what I care about. Interesting. So they start 3-0. You're making jokes about putting them in the finals and then they lose it. It's like, hey, you got to win games. I mean, the whole Bronny thing, I'm happy for Savannah and LeBron. I think it's a great story. I don't think I'm, I don't care. I'm not an influencer. I don't care about stuff like that. I care about J.J. Reddick, building a staff, getting Adolton Connect integrated in Austin Reeves, AD's, Health, LeBron. They're doing all that.

Look at how dismissive you are. We've got to get Redick on the show, by the way. Hey, he's, I love what Reddick's done. It's early. I told you. Last time I saw him had his hat on backwards. Now it's NBA, so I'm a little more lenient. But it did concern me.

Come on, Redick. Pull up, big guy. I think he's a good coach. He's so far so good. I like what I've seen. I like when I see a coach and I see a plan, what are you? Like if I said Saints, what are you? You have no idea.

When I'm watching Denver, the way that you, use Bo Nix movement. Like, they have a plan. When I watch Washington and Jaden Daniels, if I can see what you're trying to do, I'm like, oh, I get what they're doing. Like Denver, very much in Washington, use the athletic ability of the quarterback to move the pocket. I see the plan.

When I watch you and I'm like, I don't even know what you're trying to do, because football's not that complicated. I should be able to see what you're trying to do. J-MAC, are you done? Completed. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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You shouldn't have to share one with anybody. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real, honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing.

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So it is interesting. So Josh Allen, the perception is Josh Allen, not good in the playoffs. Lamar Jackson, not good in the playoffs. But if you really look at it, Josh Allen's been fine in the playoffs. Josh Allen's got 21 TDs and four picks and 100 passer rating. He's fine. He's not winning enough, but he's fine. Lamar has really struggled.

And what would really concern you is the passer rating is dipped. And passer rating is not the be-all and all. But you start getting below like 95. You're just not very efficient. And I'm not blaming anybody, but I think it is fair that we look at Josh Allen and we look at Lamar Jackson as playoff struggling. Buffalo just can't beat Kansas City. Lamar's not beating anybody,

and that is the bigger issue. And I'm, as you know, a fan. And so there you go. I will say this. We talked about this yesterday about the NFL doesn't really need certain cities to win, but it is interesting

how lucky the NFL is. Think about the NBA. it feels like a big city league. And look at Major League Baseball. That feels like a big payroll league. That's what they feel like, right? In the NFL, the best quarterbacks play for Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Green Bay.

And that's what it looks like to me. Those are the best quarterbacks. So it's remarkable. In the NBA, it does feel like there's a handful of teams. that like the big, you know, New York and Boston are favored in Philadelphia in the east. Now, Denver is one of the T, Oklahoma City is a marvelous story, but it has mostly been San Francisco, Bay Area, the Lakers for years. Dallas is a big market team. It feels like market size matters for payroll in baseball and for attraction in the NBA.

Right now, the big cities, I mean, New York teams are terrible. New York's terrible. Chicago's been a mess. I mean, Dallas is underachieving. Atlanta? Eh. I mean, if you look at the NFL, the power of the NFL, the best quarterbacks are all in the tiniest markets. Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Kansas City.

And the ratings have never been higher. Never been higher. So, and let's be honest, a lot of that's just, that's where all the best quarterbacks are. And that's why the Indianapolis Colts are saying it's nothing against Anthony Richardson. But if you look around, market size is irrelevant in the NFL. Quarterback is everything. And Greg Kosell talked an hour ago. Anthony Richardson is getting worse.

It's not impulsive. CoSell said this just doesn't work in the NFL. I think he's really struggling to understand the route concepts and the read involved in the specific route concepts versus the specific coverage. therefore his eyes are not in the right place. He misses too many routine throws. And it's really, really difficult to be successful when you miss routine throws. So again, this is a difficult situation. Neither you nor I are in their building. We don't understand the day to day. But this is not a bad football team. And given the state of that division and the state of the AFC, they may

believe, as they should, that they have an opportunity to be in the playoffs. Yeah, and I think it comes down again to this. It's not a developmental league. I mean, if you look at baseball, once the season starts, there's not a ton of developing. You get that in the minor leagues. In the NBA, once the season starts, 82 games. There's not a lot of developing. You do that in the G League.

You're traveling all the time. In the NFL, there's a sense of, well, there's only one game a week. There's a lot of time to develop. No, there's not. I mean, there's limitations on practices, how often you can wear pads, due to the CBA. Once the season starts, pads are done. There's limitations.

You're resting veteran players. It's not a developmental league. You're better off staying in college football for a year, getting the extra reps, getting the extra time, hopefully with a good coach. And most of the, I mean, Jaden Daniels had a lot of starts. Bo Nix had a lot of starts. I mean, Caleb Williams, two full years of starts.

Anthony Richardson just did not start a lot. Shane Steikin is one of the best offensive coaches. here's what he said. He goes, it's a difficult thing. My obligation is to the 53 guys in the organization to win games. And right now, I'm focused on the present, winning football games. We'll get to the future when we get to the future. So I think people are just mistaking that it is the job of an organization to build for the future. No, it's not. It's a job of the coach and GM to win now. And so when you draft a guy with 13 college starts, because he's wildly talented, okay, that's fine. but he better be wildly talented and winning by the start of year two. Last year was the year you're giving him a runway. The runway used to be three years. Three to four years. The runways now, midway, second year.

That's what it is. We'll take a break. Drew Brees. Around the corner. In L.A., it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but in current. It's the enhanced games.

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I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30, you shouldn't have to share one with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health, These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out loud. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not.

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Ram, Seahawks, sneaky good. But I just realized we're going to get Ram Seahawks out here. So what? We're not going to get Lions Packers. So what? It's called, you know. It's called what? Go to a bar?

Red zone. Fubo, do whatever you got to do. Fubo. I love Fubo. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Am I the only person that was watching baseball last night? I think baseball has gotten beaten down for years.

I feel like they're having a bit of a renaissance. You got both New York teams are good. And market size matters because the bigger the payroll, the more stars. But look at right now who's good in baseball. Houston had a ton of injuries. They'll be back. Huge city. Atlanta's always good.

Dodgers are good. Both New York teams are good. Texas and Houston had a ton of injuries, they're both going to be back. Rangers have a following Astros, obviously, wildly popular. The only team that's missing big market, I feel like Philadelphia is good, by the way. That's a great baseball city.

See, I've got San Diego's wildly exciting. The only team I think I feel like I'm missing is San Francisco the Giants. And I always feel they're well run, but I feel like you're kind of missing out on them. But I'm watching last night, and I'm like, both New York teams are good. Houston,

Atlanta, Philadelphia, it matters. Market size matters. We know this watching other sports. I mean, we know hockey, baseball, basketball. It's more market related. And the Dodgers are going nowhere, and they're star-studded. And the Astros have a big third baseman free agent. If they re-sign him and get healthy, they had a ton of pitching injuries.

They'll be good. So, you know, I think in the summer months, you know, it's baseball just got beaten down. But I do think they're, first of all, they have sped the game up. So attendance and television ratings in baseball because of two moves that needed to be made, both were getting made. And so the games don't last as long. That matters. They went from three hours to about two hours and 30, 35 minutes.

So the games are quicker. That helped TV ratings. Attendance has been up and ratings. There's also, a lot of this is Fox. They've created some like events that, you know, the Phillies and the Mets playing in London or, you know, Field of Dreams. And so the All-Star game and the home run derbies always had some legs to it. But if you look at next year in the World Series odds, it's Dodgers, Braves, Mets, Orioles aren't a big team. That's more regional.

But if Soto stayed with the Yankees, they would be in there. I don't think he will, but if he did. So it feels like, to me, those are the Draft King's odds for the World Series. It feels like the right teams are winning. And, you know, it's like college football. I've said this for years. If you have Texas, Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Notre Dame, they're bigger brands. Oregon now has become one of those.

Oregon moves a needle. When Oregon's good in the playoffs, they get a number. So here are the top odds to win the World Series next year. Dodgers won, Yankees, two, Braves, three, Phillies, four. That's perfect. That's who you'd want. The big West Coast team, the big Northeast team, the big Southern. team and the second biggest brand in the northeast of Phillies.

Then you have Baltimore, but then you go back to Houston, massive city, New York Mets, Chicago Cubs. That's what you want. Only team missing here to me is the San Francisco Giants, which are out west, have a huge brand. They had a run. I wouldn't call it a dynasty, but they were like every other year it felt like for a while. Maybe that was a dynasty. But otherwise, I kind of feel like I think baseball's having a bit of a renaissance.

That's what it feels like to me anyway. You sound like a coastal elitist. There's a lot of Milwaukee Brewers fans, right? Hey, what about us? Pittsburgh Pirates fans. Hey, Cincinnati Reds, the team of your youth. In the NFL, when you only have a game a week or college football, market size doesn't matter. There's urgency.

Football is the sport we watch and we bet and we go to. But when you're talking hockey, baseball, and basketball, okay, those are 82 games, 160 games. There's no urgency, right? So you really need, it's very, very hard to get people worked up. I mean, if you don't live in L.A., do you really watch the Colorado Rockies regularly? No. But you're in L.A., you would watch the Broncos play. If you live in Boston, you would absolutely watch the Chargers play if they were on your TV set.

Most people in Boston are not going to watch, if they're sitting there in a Friday night, they're not going to watch a Mariners game. But they would watch a Seahawks game if they were facing the Niners on television. So baseball is a very real. regional sport. I do think the Dodgers and Yankees cut through that. The Cubs, obviously, because of their history, cut through that. Yeah. I always feel like when I lived more in the South, I always felt Atlanta wasn't a national team, but they were a hugely popular regional team. Well, they had the TBS, right? They had their own channel. And they had enough star power. And if you go anywhere in the South to any airport in the summer, everybody's wearing a Braves hat, a Master's hat for the Masters golf tournament or a Braves hat in the South. So the Braves are the Red Sox.

The further you get away from Boston, the less popular the Red Sox are. But Maine, Delaware, New Hampshire, Connecticut, there's about a six-state region. The Red Sox are wildly popular. By the time you get to Pittsburgh and Ohio, then they're not. That's the Braves. So the Pittsburgh Pirates have this young pitcher who's a superstar. He started the All-Star game. He's dating that super popular influencer.

I'm spacing on his name. You know who I'm talking about? Paul, something. Schemeans, there it is. So Pittsburgh Pirates fans are already nervous. We're not going to be able to afford him. We're going to lose him in a few years. They are.

And that's kind of the reality of baseball, right? Like, they've got a young stud. He might be one of the best young pitchers in the game. Well, that's because the Pirates don't spend any money. I mean, all these guys are billionaires. I mean, so the owner of that team could afford to. He just doesn't want to. So the Oakland A's.

That was a... I mean, the Fisher family was loaded. They just used it as an investment. I mean, they could have spent money on it. I mean, Oakland wasn't the perfect stadium, but they could have spent money on it. I grew up in Seattle my entire life. We've had very wealthy owners.

Very rarely if the Mariners ever wanted to spend any money. That's spent money to make money, right? Right. So I just, I think baseball feels like it's going through a bit of a renaissance. And I also think part of it is most people don't play hockey, so there's limitations on it. And the NBA has gotten very, very international. And that's hard to sell. With that 20 years in the NFL, Super Bowl champ, 13-time Pro Bowl are going to be a Hall of Famer.

Drew Brees, joining us now live. Okay. I got to ask you, it's a Thursday night game. And so I say, to me, it feels like the Jets have the older quarterback short week at home. If you had to go on the road, Drew, on a short week, you're on a three-hour flight, does it limit what you can install? Because they're clearly this year, the home teams are doing well on these short week games. What is the disadvantage on the short week for a quarterback, let's say?

Well, I mean, look, you're used to watching so many hours of film and having so many hours of preparation. And you've immediately eliminated three days, right? And so not only you're trying to get your body ready, which, look, the more veteran a player you are, the more that your routine throughout the week involves, you know, just getting your body ready to play for Sunday. Now, all of a sudden, that's expedited into a Thursday game. It just makes it even more difficult. And so, man, I feel like you're just kind of multitasking like crazy. The advantage that the veteran quarterbacks have is that, look, they've seen and played a lot of football.

They've got a lot of experience. So it's not like they're going to be fooled a lot on game day or game night. So they probably don't need as much from the perspective of, hey, new wrinkles in the game plan or tons and tons of time to analyze the defense, especially if they have a knowledge of who that defense is, who the defense coordinator is, what the scheme is. A lot of times it just creates a picture in your head as to, okay, here's who we're facing, here's how I think they're going to defend us, and just let me have some answers. Let me have some tools in my toolbox. They're going to help us attack this, but I definitely think you do simplify things,

mainly just for the sake of the rest of your offense. So I am tougher on quarterbacks today than 10 years ago, because quarterbacks today have at 10,000 snaps by the time they're 15 years old, and you didn't. You had a 10-game high school season. You didn't get all the seven-on-seven, the personalized coaching. So it used to be I would give a Drew Brees or an Eli Manning. Just give me three years. I'll know if I have my guy.

My rule now is by your second Thanksgiving, with all the camps you've gone through, I got to see something. I got to see something. So people are banging on the Colts, but my takeaway is they've actually got a great offensive coach, a lot of pieces, good receivers, good bad, top six offensive line, and it is getting worse. So I kind of get it. I don't think 10 years ago I would be as punitive.

I wouldn't be as harsh. But I kind of feel like you didn't have the advantages of Jaden Daniels. You didn't get all the camps. Am I being overly harsh? Here's my thought on that situation, and specific to Anthony Richardson. I mean, how many stars did the guy have in college? 13, 15?

Right? I mean, so like let's let's go back and look at some recent history. Trey Lance, how many college starts? It was about the same. Mitch Trubisky, how many college starts? It was about the same. So guess what? It's going to take longer.

And so if you draft a guy like that high, you need to temper your expectations. You need to say, look, we're either going to sit him behind a really solid veteran, like get him in a great room with a great kind of environment, and we're going to bring him along slowly. or if you do choose to start him, expect that it's going to take a while, expect that there's going to be a lot of growing pains. And that's just the nature of the beast. Like, on the flip side, look at Brock Purdy.

Last pick in the draft, but guess what? The guy had 46 starts in college. And then he sat for a period of timing. He was third string going to the season. Trey Lance gets hurt. Groplo gets hurt. Then he gets his opportunity, but he's in a great scheme with a great coach with great players around him. So look, there is a bit of a bit of a big team.

bit of a formula, I've always felt like it's 50 starts. You need 50 high-level starts before I know exactly what we've got. And that could be high-level, could be college, but also a combination of that in the pros. And it could be a combination of just sitting in the pros, right? Patrick Long's had a bunch of college starts. But sat for a year behind Alex Smith with a really good head coach and a really good system, really functional environment, right? So all these things are factors in this. And so to say that you know what you have Anthony Richardson, you don't. You don't. He's going to need a lot more time

than he would have had he stayed in college for another year or if he had 35 or 40 starts under his belt already as opposed to 13. Okay. Hail Mary's. Did you practice them or is it all luck watching the commanders? Look,

there's absolutely a technique to throw in a good Hail Mary. Number one, where you try to land that thing, I always try to land it right in the middle of the end zone. Now, sometimes if you're pushed back and you just can't make it that far,

you're at least trying to get it to the goal line where maybe if it gets tipped up even in front, you're close enough to where somebody can dive in. But if you can get everyone at least positioned down there, you do have rules in place, right? Yeah. Like we would always have a middle jumper, and then we would try to surround that jumper

with bodies that could catch the tip ball, right? which look I think the commanders executed this extremely well and look the receiver I mean credit him for the discipline of knowing look I'm not going to go for the jump I'm going to sit back where I'm supposed to be behind the pile and I'm going to be ready for the tip pass right and he capitalized on that um defensively it's always one of those things where man you can't have every defender going up and jumping either that's right those guys have to have some level of discipline that they are going to take the same approach as the offensive team, which is some of you aren't going to jump. You need to sit back and be ready for a tip pass that you can knock down, right? But it turns into a bit of a free-for-all, like it's like it and choose to play in the backyard. Well, I think my kids call it like three flags up or something like that. You just throw the ball up and see who can go get it. Finally, two minutes left.

Joel Flacco is playing. Are you going to watch that game and think, I miss the juice. I miss the action. when you watch Joe Flacco. Come on, be honest. Well, this is, this is what I love about Flacco's story. You know, I mean, look at his journey over the last few years, right? I mean, he's bounced around from team to team.

I mean, look what he did with the Browns last year. It just goes to show you that you can't put a price on experience. Like, you can take Flacco, and there's probably a couple other veteran QBs like him right now, where you could bring him into a system where he's got. not, you know, no prior knowledge to that sister, but he, he's able to just based on his, you know, wealth of experience and wisdom and the amount of reps that he's had, like he could go into a situation and very quickly, we talked to a little bit about it last week, like when you have a veteran receiver come in. Like, he's played enough ball that you can just put him in

and he's going to figure it out. Like, he's going to know the concepts that he likes. He's going to know the timing. He's going to know, generally speaking, like, okay, this concept, My eyes are going to start here. I'm working back here. I know where my outlet is. I know what can't happen on this play. Like, I'm not going to avoid the sack. I'm going to avoid the negative play.

Know where to throw the ball away. Get myself into a third manager. Like, there's just going to be a level of decision making and processing. It's just going to be different based on his level of experience. So, like, those guys are invaluable. Yeah. And they're invaluable. You need a guy like that to come in and win you a couple games in a season while you're

trying to, you know, get through a period of time with an injury to your start. or if you just got a young guy who needs to learn. I think that's probably a great guy to observe. Yeah, I actually think they have some good player. I think the Colts could go on a little streak here with Joe Flacco. Drew Brees, 13 Pro Bowls. Always love having you by my man. Always make us smarter. Thanks.

Absolutely, thanks. You bet. Drew Breeze stopping by. Yeah, guys like Flacco, it's like when Tom Brady told Jay Glazer, like seven, eight years ago they were talking. And Tom's like, I've seen every coverage. There's nothing you can do I haven't seen. And so I can identify stuff, get us in and out of stuff quickly. And as long as I get stable protection, I can move the chains.

So we do have this week's NFL schedule, J-MAC. I ask you every week on Thursday and Friday, pick the upset for the audience. Pick the upset. I like the Jets tonight. I imagine you do too. I don't like the Jets ever anymore. Holy cow, this is a tough one. Is Green Bay at home an upset?

No. Three and a half point dogs. No. Back up quarterback. How about this? Well, this Lamar news that you broke earlier about how he's not practicing is troubling. Mm-hmm. There's one staring at you.

Raiders? That's what I thought. Oh, gosh. No way. Raiders at Cincinnati? Bengals can't win at home. They lose every home game, I think. No.

And I think the Raiders are a really physical team. They can get you out of sorts. I mean, Kansas City, they went toe-to-to-to-to. with Kansas. Key Higgins not practicing today? No, I think the Raiders at Cincinnati's got upset all over it. Also, Buffalo has been playing very well. They're six and a half-point favorites, I think.

Keep your eye on Miami. Oh, really? Oh, please, take Miami, please. Let's go head to head on that one. Really? In Buffalo? How many interceptions are two-a-half against Buffalo? Like 74?

It hasn't been his best match-up. Yeah. Well, you and your fam enjoy Halloween tonight. You too. I'll be watching the Jets, baby. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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