The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Julian Edelman joins The Herd

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com, or stream us live every day on the IHeart radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. And by the way, the Commissioner Rob Manfred showed up just about an hour ago, and we did ask him about potentially a salary cap. It's important for our smaller markets to do something more than qualified for the playoffs, right? There's a difference between getting into the first round and going deeper in the playoffs.

There are five major North American sports count in soccer. Four of them have a cap. We don't. We do hear a lot about it from fans, particularly in smaller markets. But the reality is we're, you know, two years away from the end of the basic agreement. We're just not in a position where we are talking about or have made decisions about what's ahead in the next round of bargaining. Let me push back on that.

I don't think organizations have a right to a World Series. If you make the playoffs in baseball, because of the season's length, you've given a city an amazing six months. I mean, it's, you know, think about how great the Packers have been. Farve got one Super Bowl, Aaron got one. I mean, Kansas City Royals got one. I mean, that's the reality.

So this idea that, well, okay, Colin, you're right. A lot of teams with lower payrolls can make the playoffs, but that's enough. There's no guarantee. Think how good Mark Cuban's Mavericks were. One championship. And they were underdogs in it. So the idea that, I mean, when's the last time the Jets were a Super Bowl contender?

So the idea that, well, if you got to do more than make the playoffs, no, you don't. If Oklahoma City never wins, they got to a final with Kevin Durant, Westbrook, Hardin, but they never win a final with this group, but they get to several. again, Jerry West lost eight times to the Celtics in the finals, seven or eight times. There is no right. If you're getting to the finals, you're getting into the playoffs in baseball. That's better than half the sport. That's a great.

I mean, I'm a Mariner fan growing up. Playoffs? Let me do a Jim Moore. Playoffs? Playoffs. So this idea that, well, we never won a World Series. You know what, Royals, you got one. Rangers, you got one.

you got one. You're probably not getting two. That's okay. There are, even in college football, Purdue, should we shut the program down? They're never going to win a natty in college football. There are universities that just have, they have geographical and financial advantages. Ohio's got more good players. So does Florida, Texas, and Southern California, and Miami. They got more good players. That's why they're winning national. College sports is really inequitable. I mean, there's some of these cold weather, northern play. But how many good high school? school players does Wisconsin have? Just getting to a Rose Bowl, that's all

you're going to get. You're not going to win a Natty at Wisconsin. And the truth is, the Tampa Bay Raids are probably not going to win a World Series. But if you're getting to the playoffs, what's wrong with that? Like, to me, that's enough. If you were a viable playoff team on occasion,

sports fine. I think we forget how much better sports is today than years ago. I mean, go watch that HBO Max Bill Simmons series, Celtic City. Just the outrageous racism. I mean, the NBA was a tire fire in the 70s. They were putting the finals on tape delay.

Our sports now are unbelievable. They're really, I mean, the college kids are getting paid. Women's basketball's on fire. I mean, women are encouraged to be great in sports. Our sports world is in an amazing place. Julian Edelman next. Be sure to catch live a day. of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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I do want to ask you about free agency. So there were some rumors recently about Aaron Rogers in Minnesota, and I thought to myself, I would wait if I was Aaron for Minnesota. Great coach, indoors, know the division, Justin Jefferson, and Minnesota, they brought in Darnold, Daniel Jones, but they wouldn't bring in Aaron even for a year. Do you agree with that? I do agree with that.

Can I hear his mic? No, we go. Go ahead. You there? Yeah, I do agree with that. Just for the simple situation, look, let's rewind back when Aaron Rogers was a young spry quarterback. There was a quarterback in his room that was playing the antics that Aaron Rogers is literally playing now.

And Aaron picked up a lot of the habits of Brett Farv. Let's not joke around about it. He's doing the same things that Brett Farve did at the end of his career. That doesn't happen by accident. So you have a young quarterback in J.J. McCarthy with the Vikings, with a quarterback genius coach in Kevin O'Connell. And you just want to throw in Aaron Rogers, who, you know, week eight last year on was great because he started to get that chemistry

that he doesn't get in the off-season because he doesn't do the off-season. But he started to get that. But you're also getting all the other noise that you're going to have with Aaron Rogers, which is a lot of distraction. And do you really want to go into this locker room, Minnesota, that went to the NFC championship or went to the divisional round last year and really put something in there

that could mess with the feng shui of what that locker room is? They're clearly very confident in McCarthy. They let Sam Darnold walk out the door. We were talking about him being the MVP until week 14 last year, which is crazy. So they have a confidence. They know what they want. want. I like that they didn't name him the starter because now he used to go on and earn it.

You can't just, you know, put in this whole process, this plan that you're preaching to the team and then name a kid who's never even played it down in the National Football League, the starting quarterback after son, I'm done or leave. So I do agree, I just went on 20 different tangents. I do agree that they didn't, with them not bringing in Aaron Rogers. You know, people have said about Aaron, like Pittsburgh fans are saying, well, he doesn't fit our culture and my take is he's not really a football culture guy um years ago in 2020 a story came out where green bay told aaron don't be the problem since that article yeah this would be his third team in four or five years and so i think aaron has sent a very clear message um i am

unapologetically independent i am what i am if you sign me i'm i want a couple of buddies on the team i'm okay with you as long as you don't fool me whatever you like you like you like Like, Gronk's, like, I'll go to Tampa because I like the warm weather, and I don't like the cold weather. So, like, he told everybody cold weather teams, not interested. So, to me, you have to have a strong culture, or Aaron can kind of hijack it, like the Jets. Like, I think he could go right now to a Detroit or to a San Francisco. Yeah. But, like, for instance, there were a couple signings the Patriots made, Albert Haynesworth.

Yeah. Randy Moss. I don't think Aaron fits a lot of cultures. I agree, but I do think he fits the Steelers culture because I believe in Mike Tomlin and the professional that he is as a head coach and how he communicates with players, that he can make it work with Aaron Rogers. Like, we didn't hear anything about Antonio Brown until he left the Steelers. Yeah. That is a magic power by Mike Tomlin who kept all that noise. in the building. So if there's any place for Aaron Rogers

to probably be okay with how he handles football, I think Mike Toml would be a great guy for that. So when you look at the free agency, I'll tell you a move I didn't love. I don't love Stefan Diggs to the Patriots for that number. Buffalo got better when he left.

He was a three in Houston, and they just paid him number one money. and my take is the culture isn't set yet and he can be a little noisy like in Houston which is a city that like like accepts noise he could be a bit noisy yeah and I don't love it um again Drake May is growing he's not established we surmised earlier today is they made that move because Cleveland's going to take Chador yeah and then the giants are going to take Travis Hunter and and Mike knows. I got fired when I lost AJ Brown. We don't have any receivers.

Yeah. They're looking at the draft and thinking, we're not going to get Travis Hunter. Is it possible? That's what they're doing. That could be possible, but they need to upgrade the receiver room. And what you do get with Stefan Diggs is you get a professional. You ask anyone around town, anyone around the league, the guy works hard and he knows how to run every route. And he's a professional when he's in the building. Yes, there's antics. But number two, I like Mike Rable dealing with those antics.

because he dealt with AJ Brown. He knows how to deal with a big time receiver. We didn't hear anything out of AJ Brown. He's a very alpha type of guy that's played in the league that can communicate with these guys. And then number of three, he's pissed off at the bills still. Like, why wouldn't you want a little fire in a room,

the receiver room for New England, that hasn't performed in years? Why wouldn't you want a little fire in there? That's what Steph Donner. Diggs is going to bring. He's going to bring some urgency, which that room needs. He's going to bring some motivation. Yes, there's going to be some other stuff, but I trust that Mike Vrable will take care of that. Yes, he's got a young quarterback in Drake May, but we saw last year how Stefan Diggs was with Stroud. He was a different guy than he was with Allen. He understood, he matured a little bit

over the year. He evolved his game and his attitude, and I expect him to do the same thing in here. And if you look at the money, what's it, a three-year deal, $36 million guaranteed? That's a two-year or 37, that's a two-year, $15 million deal. Guys are making $40 million now a year. So that's not a big deal. That's where he's probably slated for the receiver he is in his career. When you were with the Patriots and the Patriots missed on a lot of receivers, and so after Chad Jackson, they sort of stopped until McKeel Harry,

they didn't draft a lot of first round guys. How long would it take you when you're with a good football team, New England, to realize, oh, that draft pick can play and that guy can't. Every team has busts, every single team. The great GMs have whiffed, Bill Polly and Wift. Were there times after the draft first camp, you're like, we'll think that guy's going to make it. Yeah, plenty of times.

Wow. You know, if you're a first round guy, you've got a superpower of some sort. Right, right. So you want to see that superpower. And yes, you're in diapers with, you know, shells and off-season workouts. But there's always something that. you can see an explosive movement, a guy body up a guy for the ball and steal it like he's a little kid or the speed of some guy. You see that first round talent like where something is if he's going to be

able to help right away. Yeah. So I'm a fan of Shadur Sanders. And one of the reasons I'm a fan is he had a terrible O-line in college. He trailed in all the games. He had no run games. He had no run game, and he completed 74% of his throws. So you played with arguably the most accurate, consistently accurate quarterback, certainly the best bad weather thrower I've ever seen in Brady. And my thing is, some guys are accurate and some guys aren't, and like Cam was never going to complete 68%. Anthony Richardson's not that accurate.

Like, I watched to do it, and I'm like, bro is running for his life, trailing, so everybody knows he's throwing. 74%. I don't believe you can go from inaccurate to really accurate. And so now you can go from inaccurate to 61%. But in all your years of all the backups, wasn't Garoppolo accurate early? Yeah, he was very accurate. You quarterbacked.

Yeah, I wasn't accurate. I was my way to receiver. With Chador, for me, it's not the accuracy. And you look at all the stats, he was sack. the last two years his career in college he's been sacked the most set a few records on that which you know a lot of the times yes it's the offense alliance fault but it's also you know it's it could be the quarterback's fault so a lot some of those can be on him my number one thing with chador is can he break down the protections he's he's not a mobile guy he's he's a pocket passer

we all keep on saying he's a pocket passer so for me if i'm a general manager if i'm a team i want to see how good he is with his protections because there's going to be a day where your left tackle can't, he's not going to be able to block the guy across from him. So you're going to have to slide the protection. You're going to have to get the ball out quicker. You're going to have to adjust your game. So him being able to adjust his game over these last couple years because of all the pressure that could help him, but it also could hurt him because now he holds on the ball too long. It's ultimately going to come down to the offensive coordinator he gets paired up with and that relationship and how he handles protections.

Brock Purdy is trying to get a massive deal. And the Niners have publicly stated, we're not handing out cash like we used to. In your years in the NFL, if a guy signs a deal and doesn't get what he wants, is there resentment? I may have resented Bill every day in contract I signed. Really?

No, no, usually a deal. Usually they find a place where both ends are happy. And you were generally, you found a place. I found a place. I understood I wasn't going to, you know, for me personally, I always took team-friendly-ish deals because I understood what I was a part of. I understood that I'd have my most success in New England because we were winning. I understood that if I go to another team and that coaching staff gets fired and you're in the middle of nowhere and you ain't making no money off the field.

Like, I understood all that when I was signing with New England. I think that's a huge part of the evaluation process for the player and the situation. A lot of the times guys, you know, want the biggest dollar, but, you know, for instance, you look at like Donald. He goes and he signs with Seattle. I wonder what was the number that Minnesota signed him for? Because he's basically playing a one-year deal with the team that he doesn't know and he's going to try to hit free agency again. And a defensive coach.

And a defensive coach. I would have took probably $6, $7 million less to have my one-year deal with Justin Jefferson and Addison and a coach that knows how to call plays for me if I'm going to try to hit it again. And even if I wasn't going to be the guy this year, you know, that's kind of what you're evaluating as a player. It's not just the most money. If that's your goal, there's other ways to make the money. It's not always about doing it on the field. It's doing it through your winning, through the community of where you're at.

And those are all part of that evaluation process for the players. So, you know, that's the real thing. What was that number that Sam Darnel or the Minnesota Vikings and Sam Darnel didn't get? I think most of the smart athletes get winning Trumps every. because when your career ends, you'll get more deals. And the deals now on social media alone are seven-figure deals. Without a doubt. Contrasting deals.

Without a doubt. So I think players should really take a look at that when they're looking at, if their number one goal is money, okay, you got to look at everything. Because when you win and you're a champion, you make that money forever. You know, you may not make the money up front like you're making. You know, I had a team that's four and 13, and you guys don't make the playoffs, but you're the highest paid guy in the league. You know, if that's your goal, that's your goal.

But you could also make money the other way. Finally, I thought it was interesting. Tom Brady was quoted. Tom came out with it. This isn't speculation. He said, eventually, you know, I took a piece of paper and a pen, and I wrote down things that mattered to me between Tampa and New England. And he acknowledges,

really good receivers. That was really important. He's like, you know, also the coach was offensive. The weather was better. I didn't want to play in cold weather. And he acknowledged, he goes, we reached a point where tension, it was inevitable. I had to leave. And I'll say this now, and I'll ask this because it's out there.

Tom's acknowledging the tension. Do you remember the first time? The first time I knew Tom was leaving is when he screamed at the wide receivers, get open! And it was on television. thought, okay, I'm seeing publicly frustrated Tom with his personnel. That's why I wasn't shocked when he went to Tampa, and he also liked the charges that had Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. He wanted receivers as you left.

It was like, okay, gronk aged. Do you remember the first time you thought, Tom's cranky today, or Bill treated him away and you just, you didn't like it? You know, Bill was tough on everyone. And I don't know if I had my blinders on. And I, I thought everyone was on the same table. I may have. You know, so if he got into Tom, he got into Tom. If he got into Vince, he got into Vince. If he got into Nikovic, he got into Nikovic. He got into Slater. But when it was Tom, it was different. And the thing is, Tom, he had a really good poker face. Even when you could tell when he had his feelings hurt or he was maybe a little frustrated with certain things,

he didn't let it affect him and that's why he's an ultra leader and that's why he's the greatest leader of all time you know what i mean yeah because we we all kind of knew what was going on did he felt the tension but you didn't see it from tom he didn't show nobody he didn't let it seep in he didn't let it seep in he went to work he was the same guy every day he like yes emotions in the game when he says oh get open guys that's going to happen that's a it's an emotional game you're in the heat of battle but like you didn't really see any kind of frustration from tom and that's because he always had a real i knew personally there were certain things but you know he never let everyone know and and that's that's what a good leader looks like yeah um games with names new episode every tuesday uh pukinakua is on yours pukinakutas all my you got to tell him

stop talking about retirement i know i agree you can't i don't i don't like it. I don't either. There's, you know, I agree with you on that. I think he's just being, he was a little young, got a little excited in front of the microphone. You know, I'm telling you, sometimes you get comfortable on the setting and you start talking and you don't understand what you're saying. But you definitely don't want to tell an organization that you, you don't want to cap your career. Because you know, GMs don't care about work-life balance. No, they don't. They care about, this is a production business. This is what they say. This is, and if he goes out, he balls, and it does it, it's fine.

But still, you just got a loose lips, loose lipsink ships, bro. And careers. And careers. But he'll be all right. It'll be all right. Julian Edelman, thanks, buddy. Good to seeing you. Live in L.A., it's the herd.

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What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down. Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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How about it? The Thunder became the first team to hit 60 wins this season. Take it down the Kings last night. Thunder have won, 14 of 15, 11 straight on the road, and they have the single season highest point differential of all time. Colin, the numbers are saying this Thunder team is going to the finals. You and I kind of sort of. to disagree.

Are they not getting enough respect from the pundits such as ourselves? They're getting plenty of it. They're Cleveland a year ago. They're a year away. They're a regular season team, and they're going to, you just wait and see. I will say this.

I watched last night. Chet Holmgren, I have hair envy. That guy's got good hair. Shet Holmgren has nice hair. I just think they're fine. And you can see what's going to. Now, if they made the finals, would we be surprised? No.

No. So, I mean, they're really, They're a really good team. Yeah. And they're in the regular season because they're so deep. And their style, you mean, they play really good defense. They come at you with incredible intensity. And that overwhelms a lot of older teams that have some load management dudes like the clippers or the Lakers.

You can get into a situation where they roll into, I mean, it's SGA is playing every game. It's like the Celtics. Jason Tatum's playing every game. If you're not ready to go with their intensity, they're going to walk over. you. And, you know, Denver the other, and I know, Yokic is out. And then LeBron is out. Some of these older teams, Milwaukee, now dames out. So if you're deep, talented, and play hard, you're going to win a lot of games in this league in the regular season. I know I joke about the Thunder all the time. I'll give them credit. They're really well

built to handle anything. They got two bigs, Hartenstein, and Chet. So if they have to face Yokic, they got bodies. If they've got to face the Mavs bigs, they got dudes. And then they face the Lakers, I don't know that Hartinstein plays that much against the Lakers. They probably He goes small, wing heavy to defend LeBron and Lucas. So I think the Thunder are really well built. Give a shout out to Sam Presti. I know he watches, so congrats, Sam. Next story is, how about this one?

LeBron's bringing back his Mind the Game podcast, but he has a new co-host, Colin, Steve Nash. How about that? So LeBron's last co-host was a guy named JJ Redick, who a few months later wound up as the Lakers coach. Now, Steve Nash, who was jettisoned by the Nets after running into the KD. Kyrie disaster.

Well, that was impossible staff. I mean, that was an impossible lift for a coach. For a rookie coach, brutal. So now Nash will be doing the Mind the Game podcast with LeBron. And I wonder if Nash will suddenly become a hot commodity as a potential head coach somewhere around the league. Should Tom Tibido get run off by the Knicks if they lose? I don't know.

I don't think Nash would work after his disaster in Brooklyn. I mean, I was told by somebody that's close with Steve that by the end, he wanted to be let go. Like, I'll go back to Manhattan Beach and play tennis. Like, I don't want any part of this. I think Nash can, I think he, like a Steve Kerr or a JJ Redick, smart dude knows the game, but, I mean, sometimes it's just fit. Like, never forget, Steve Kerr turned down the next job when Phil Jackson was there. He's like, no, this isn't the right job. Because Steve Kerr would have been fired.

Yes. Like in the NBA, you're as good as your star is committed. By Joe Missoula's first year, we were saying he's a little over his skis. By the second year, we're like, Joe Missoula's good. Why? Because Jason Brown, Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown are totally committed and totally professional. So, and I'm not banging, but Hardin and Kyrie was in his fields. And Kevin was the easy guy to deal with.

So in this league, you're as good as your best star. When you had John Stockton and Malone, Jerry Sloan knew those guys are going to play a lot of games. They're going to play hard, and they're going to score 25 points. And listen, Nash is, I'll just say this. He is a very intelligent guy. Not only is it great tennis player, he's an amazing soccer player. He's just a great athlete. And a really nice guy.

I predict he's going to be a row. He's going to be coaching again within the next week. Remember Jason Kidd's first NBA job wasn't great. He bounced back and now he's considered a very good coach. Yeah, yeah, excellent. All right. Now let's get to the Aaron Rogers news that's just starting to break here. According to Vikings GM, Quasi Adolfo Mensa, he has confirmed that Kevin O'Connell spoke to Aaron Rogers about the quarterback opening in Minnesota. Now, I'd say opening because there's still some discussion about whether or not JJ McCarthy is the guy.

They spoke. The Vikings did to Aaron Rogers. They decided to pass. They're happy with their quarterback room. Albert Breer just posted this. Right now we're happy with our quarterback room at every checkpoint, whether it was the draft process or practice until the injury. Who's saying this? Who's saying this?

This is the Vikings GM. J.J. McCarthy has met the bar. So they like what they see from McCarthy. They spoke to Rogers and decided to pass only multiple-time MVP who has won a Super Bowl. Colin, this has to be a major ding to the ego of Aaron Rogers. That's why he's gone dark.

He's not talking anybody right now. You guys picked JJ? He's never thrown an NFL pass. Coming off an injury, two of them. Two surgery. And you want him over me? Yeah. And the Vikings would have kept Donald for the right number.

So the Vikings are telling you, we'll take Sam Donald and J.J. McCarthy both over Aaron. So my guess is if it's going to come in the next few days, that would probably be Pittsburgh or retirement. I think this to me. retire. That the Vikings are revealing this, that hey, we spoke to Aaron, now he's going dark. I wonder if he's just like, you know what, screw. Almost like Belichick, how no NFL teams wanted him, he went back to college. There's no other place for Rogers to go. Remember Belichick was like, upset. I'm going to tell you right now, Pittsburgh's not going to end well. Battle line, defensive culture, and two receivers that are, that bring maintenance.

And no, Naji Harris, and Burrow and Lamar Jackson. I don't, I mean, if I was there and I would call it a career. And what does it say that the Giants were like, we'll pass on them? And now the Vikings? No, thanks. Colin, this has got to be a tough week for Roger. Some guys. Maybe lay off, you know, it's a little harsh.

I'm not, no, I'm not being, I'm saying I think his legacy is better serve retiring. I think he can go, hey, my last 10 games in New York, I played well, but I had a great career. I'm done. Does he, let me tell you this, I trust the Jets O line next year. more than the Steelers. Ooh, that's a take. Because the Jets at least have a left tackle. The kid out of Penn State, yeah.

And they have an interior line, Elijah Vera Tucker, I like. He's good. Their center showed well. He showed well. I forget where he's from, but that's not a bad take. Jets offensive line is...

Jets O line will be better at this next year than the Steelers missing their left tackle because it's not a great tackle draft. So, you know, listen, this show, you and Rogers have had a many, many year. You've been a talking point for Rogers, obviously. Any of your takes on him go viral. I don't. And I'm just, if this

is the end. He saw first ballot Hall of Fame. Oh, no doubt. Certainly. Does he just fall off the map or is he still like a talk? Do we still talk about him? Brady's been gone. We still talk about him. The one thing, like I could say nine nice things about Aaron. Hall of Famer.

Think he's bright. He's unapologetically independent. He tells you who he is. If you can't deal with it, I don't have a problem with this podcast weekly. I do think you're better off finishing camp and not going to Egypt, but that's not a big deal. The vaccine stuff doesn't bother me in retrospect. I mean, it probably should have been more open, but a lot of people, fibbed, I don't care.

I've watched this documentary. I read the book by Ian O'Connor. I'm not anti-Aaron. I don't think, however, I think, I think, and I know this from people that have played with him. He can be moody. He can be prickly. He can be passive-aggressive.

I don't love those as leadership traits. But I've said this before. A-Rod was more talented than Jeter. Jeter was built to be a better leader because of his childhood and his upbringing. He was just a better leader. Tom and the stability of his family was built to be a better leader than Aaron. Aaron had a ton of talent. So some of this is just how you're raised.

The family dynamic. Aaron's had some combativeness. with the family, Tom's had none. So a lot of Aaron's stuff, we saw the day he was drafted. He had a chip on his shoulder the day he was drafted, so I'm not, I got nothing against them. If I saw him, hey, how are you? But Aaron tends to be somebody that, like, he hears everything, and he holds grudges.

Kevin Durant's got a little bit of that, but Durant's not a grudge holder. Durant will literally go after you on social media and laugh. He's not ducking the smoke. No, no, no. Rogers is ducking it and going on a dog. Kevin's good-natured. Kevin Durant, I think, is a good-natured guy who will, he'll go, I mean, Kevin Durant would walk up to me if I saw me and say, hey, two months ago you said this, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And he would say it with a smile on his face. Yeah, yeah. Aaron would just not look at you, and I think he's a little darker that way. But having consumed every game, his docs and his books, I think Aaron, it proves, like Kyler-Cutler, Jeff George, or Cam Newton. They're all humans. They're all different. Brady is textbook, but that's the ideal. For the record, Kobe Bryant, tough on teammates.

Michael Jordan, tough in Washington teammates. So Aaron wouldn't be the first guy that can be, you know, a little passive aggressive. And we know endings are not always pretty with quarterback. They're mostly not. Everybody can have John Elway's ending. They're mostly not. Or Peyton Manning winning the Super Bowl.

Brady Jeter Elway. reason you remember them, they're so unique. Great. Michael Jordans was a mess. Horrible with the Wizards. Do you remember Eli Manning? I know he won two Super Bowls. He's a full hero. They benched him. It was awful. Like it was so bad. Joe Namath. Awful.

It's tough, man. It's tough. And, you know. Go to the NBA. Patrick Ewing. He was like in Seattle. There's a picture of him wearing a Raptors jersey with a dinosaur. Olajawan, I think, played on like some random team. You're like, Olazwan played for them? It's tough. man with sports, yeah.

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. I think it's, isn't it Ewing in a Raptors, Jersey? Like, there's just a picture you're like, wow. Might have been Sonics. I don't know.

One of those two. Yeah. So, yeah. Retirement, you know, one or two people I know that have retired, about a month in, they're like, this is a pretty good life. Not getting tackled, blindsided. We'll see you tomorrow. Be safe. It's the hurt. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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