The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Kenny Dillingham

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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For those of you who are casuals in college football, the one thing you may know about Arizona State, especially if you're a New York Giants fan, is the running back who got picked by the Giants in the fourth round, Cam Scatabotabot, who had, he had like 2,300 yards, scrimmage yards. He's just a machine as a player. I'm really interested to see him in the NFL. I mean, there's a long history of getting really good running backs in the NFL, the third, fourth, fifth round.

So that's a compelling story. But I don't remember ever in college sports having a team picked for last. Scataboo is just, I don't, there was a running back years ago that played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that had a little bit of the field, but I don't think he had this guy's speed. Scataboo, 24 touchdown. He is just a load. Out of the backfield, great hands. You know, it's funny, all these years, you know, Herm Edwards was there. And, I mean, they had some coaches. We kept waiting for Arizona State to pop. And the one year, we're like, they're not going to be any. good. They got this Kenny Dillingham. She's just a kid. We don't, we don't know about Kenny Dillingham. And they pop. So I can't wait to talk to their young coat. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.

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This is the herd line news. All right, Kyle, let's start with the NBA draft. Interesting name pulls out, and that is to Hod Peddeford, a superstar at Auburn. I love this kid's game. Lefty. Kind of reminds me of Jeff Teague a little bit. He was projected as a fringe first rounder.

He's going to return to Auburn. I would have taken him in the lottery, but I'm irrationally high on him. I see some Kyrie Irving in this kid. He is going to have a massive NIL package waiting for him at Auburn. And obviously, Auburn made a deep run into the final four. But we've seen a lot of guys return to school this week, Colin. Yes. And you've been on this for a little bit.

Do you think NIL is kind of attracted? No, I think NIL is not saving college basketball, but is changing college basketball. These European, these 18, 19-year-old European stars, they're leaving the Spanish leagues. They're coming over to our colleges. Kids, I saw this story last night from Kevin O'Connor had it,

and there's about six kids that are coming back to college basketball that would be NBA players. I think the NBA loves it because these 18-year-olds come in and, I mean, they just need to play more real games. And I also think,

so I think college basketball is a buy as a stock, absolutely a buy. I think this is going to afford it. I mean, we watched that team a couple years ago. NIL was already underwear at Yukon. And you don't ever know in college, are these guys any good? And then they go to the NBA, and they're all good players.

And you're like, okay, we're back to 25 years ago, where if a guy dominated college basketball, he was going to be a really nice NBA player. Zach Eadie was going to be a really nice NBA player. But we went through about a 20, 25-year run, where it was like you could be player of the year, and you are at best a rotational dude sometimes off the bench. So I think this just, it's just NIL.

It may drive people crazy. There's a lot of change. I understand it. But it, I think, I mean, Auburn's going to have an NBA guard now running the show. Like a real NBA player, just like I said about Jamar Chase in college. That's an NFL player playing on Saturdays. He's clearly an NFL guy when he's like 20. Yeah.

So remember last year Kentucky had two guys, Rob Dillingham, who was on Minnesota, sat on the bench basically all season, couldn't get off the bench. And Reed Shepard, who went to Hughes. And everybody's like, oh, Reed Shepard, he's going to be rookie of the year. He barely played. These guys could have gone back to school, got big NIL money from Kentucky. Instead, they sat on the bench in the NBA, and maybe they'll pop next year. I think your point is a good one.

Like, at this stage, if I can make $3 million going back to a college campus, pretending to go to classes for six months, and then I get to make a lot of money. Like, NIL really helping college basketball. All right, next up, let's go to the Bengals. defensive end, Trey Hendrickson, their best pass rusher, their best defender. He really wants a new deal. And the Bengals said, you know, we're reluctant to pay you. Go seek a trade if you want one.

Hendrickson did that. Then the Bengals wouldn't trade him. Cincinnati still hasn't signed their first round pick. Shemar Stewart, an edge rusher from Texas A&M. Colin, it's like, you know, I don't want to bang on the Bengals too much. I'll let you do that because you're good at that. But I don't understand their logic here with Hendrickson off. the field. Warren Sharp has posted some numbers on social media. Their defense without Hendrickson

is dead last in like multiple categories. It's bleak. What does Sincy do? I just, I just feel like it's an organization that is, I mean, at least they have an offensive coach and good offensive pieces, but I mean, all these ownership groups are getting $450 million checks annually from the NFL. Build a bigger scouting staff. Hit on more your drag. draft picks in the middle rounds. Therefore, you have cheaper labor. Therefore, you have to pay a quarterback, a left tackle, a couple receivers, and an edge rusher.

If you're going to pay any defensive player, and the Rams are doing this, they're going to pay Jaredverse eventually. They're just going to pay them. And Kansas City is doing this with Chris Jones. The modern NFL is mostly, spend your money on offense, draft, and keep your defense young and inexpensive, because it's an offensive league. But if you've got to pay one or new defensive players, do it for an unbelievable front five player. Or maybe an elite corner if you have Patrick Sartan in Denver.

That's hard to let go of. But I just think this is an easy decision to make. Of course you pay me. He's been a great bangle and a great player. By the way, last two seasons, you want to guess who leads the NFL in Sacks? Take a guess, a wild one. Trey Hendrickson. There you go.

And it's not particularly close. Like he's been totally dominant, and he's seeing a lot of double teams because they got nobody else on the front line. I just, the Bengals are an embarrassment. Joe Burrow, you got to let them know. All right, final story con, let's stick in that rotten division. Cleveland Brown's quarterback room. Obviously, there's a lot happening. When you're opening the show talking about OTA stats for the Cleveland Browns, you know it's a big story.

Okay, Joe Flacco is the grizzled vet, and he is talking to the media about how mentoring the rookie quarterbacks at practice. practice and what that's like. If I say I don't want to be a mentor, I look bad. If I say I do want to be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that doesn't care about being good and playing football. I tend to try to be honest. And I've said, I'm not a mentor. I play football.

And in a quarterback room, there's a lot of times already, there's been already a ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have a lot of experience and I can talk on things. And hopefully they listen. Hopefully. By the way, the best number is worse to do her. Well, hold on. Flacco is essentially saying, why would I mentor these guys? They're coming for my job.

I kind of want to be the start of it, which is not a bad take. Yeah, Jay Mackle News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. How cool would it be to coach at your alma mater, even cooler, pick for last, finish first, unprecedented. I'm sure I can think of a comp to what Kenny Dillingham did at Arizona State Big 12

coach of the year, and he's joining us, Big 12 Media Days Live. What an incredible story. You know, coach, it's interesting. I just saw this morning, obviously the transfer portals alive and well and the NIL. You went and got, I love this, you went and got a running back from Army. I love that. You know he's going to come in ready to play.

And when you went and got the Army running back in the NIL, did an academy matter? Like a guy that would fit into your culture? because I think that's such, you didn't, you know, some of these coaches use it a lot, Lincoln Riley, some of it more sparingly, Dabo Sweeney doesn't like it at all. You went and got an army running back. Why? Yeah, I mean, well, one, his film was really good. So when you're telling the film, you're like, okay, this kid's a good player.

And then on top of that, when you talk to him on the phone, his maturity level was obviously super high. And part of that, his discipline level was super high. And part of that is directly correlated to know his school he was at. And for us, we wanted a kid who is driven, mature, to come in here and try to replace what people are watching on the screen right now is not the easiest thing to do. So we need somebody who was mature. You know, it's interesting. You had to create self-belief last year. You know, players can read, all right?

They see 16th in the Big 12. And you've got to create this. No, that's not what we are. give me the moment last year you may have believed it but that you felt your team finally came out of that tunnel and thought we're really good yeah i mean for us the first the start of kansas state on the road in manhattan one of the best coaching staffs i think in the country one of the better teams in our league one of the better teams in the country and we just started with our hair on fire. All three phases of the game. And that was the moment that I was like, oh, wow,

this team's pretty good. We can actually do this. We can actually do something. I think that was the moment when we started a game where I was like, wow. The game versus, the wind versus Utah was critical for our program and the belief of the team and the physicality. But that moment, we ran out of the tunnel versus Kansas State and started that fast. That was a turning point. So I want to talk transfer portal. Brian Kelly did a lot, didn't work. Link and Riley did it a lot, didn't work. Dion had to do it, kind of worked. What is your worldview

on the transfer portal? How much to use and how much to avoid? Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you want to make sure you get the right guys for your program, whether it's high school or transfer portal. I think I don't want to live in a world where it's all this or all that. I think every

year your team's going to be different. For me, I want to replace transfers with transfers. And I still want to be able to sign the high school class based off graduating seniors. And if you're doing it right, you will hope that the kids in your program can become the starters, can develop to become the starters. But if you ever need a transfer to come in here and fill an immediate need, you have that ability. So I would say the transfer portal to us should hopefully be to fill gaps not to build the house. So you came from a totally different

program. It was West Coast, but it was Oregon where you had Phil Knight, where you had history, where you had inertia and you're going to Arizona State and kind of rebuilding this thing. But give me, despite some dissimilarities, give me the one thing you took out of Oregon and you thought, hey, we can replicate that pretty early. The fun. I think when you think of Oregon, there is a brand behind what they do. Everybody thinks of Oregon football. They know what you think about.

Green, yellow, fast, fun, explosive. That's what you think about, right? And I think for me, it was, what is the brand of that? ASU football going to be. When people look at that photo and they look at those gold jerseys you're looking at right now, what do they think about? And I wanted to be passion. Man, those guys play so hard.

They have so much fun playing hard, man. That's what I think. Look at those guys on the screen. I want people to think, we're going to have so much fun, playing so hard, and growing up and learning how to become a person, learning how to become an adult. I want the fun, the excitement back. And I want people to think about that when they think about Arizona State football. What is, you are coaching your alma mater.

Are there ever moments on the sideline you're like, I was at a frat house nine years ago. I mean, do you have pinch me moments? Well, I mean, you look at post-Utah when they're interviewing me and the crowds definitely around. And that was a pinch me moment when I jumped to the crowd, said, I was one of these guys. I kind of lost it there. that was a moment. In game, I'm pretty focused. Usually people can't even get my attention. But after the game, I usually have those pinch me moments after the game in the locker room. Moments like that was Scat. What I'm just with the guys is when those pinch me moments happen.

Like when I'm just in it and it's just pure relationship and it's just, it's special. That's for sure. So you return a bunch of starters, 16. Sam Levitt's a really good player. When you have a young quarterback and you're building that culture, and now you're a winning culture, what are the steps for Sam Levitt? Productive, doesn't make a ton of mistakes? Do you lighten the leash up a little bit? Do you let them do more? Like what's the growth for a young quarterback at the college level?

Can you open up the playbook? Or did you use all of it last year? Yeah, I think, no, we grew as the season progressed. So I think a big reason for our success was we opened that playbook up gradually throughout the season, as Sam got better, Sam got more comfortable, JT. I mean, there's multiple players that went into it, but obviously your quarterback's a big piece. And I think this year it's going to be, how do we control early downs? I think the biggest sign of a quarterback is if you lean on him controlling early down quick

passing game, if your quarterback can take control a first and second down in rhythm passing game and you have enough confidence in him, that's when a quarterback really takes control. that's when he can really grow and become a Heisman-level player. So I think for him this year, it's taking control of the early downs and putting the ball in his hands more on good down and distances earlier in games and on early downs. So Cam Scadaboo became everybody's favorite running back in the country. And again, I'll pose this question.

Obviously you liked him, but 2,300 scrimmage yards is insane. Were there moments that you would watch him and go, this this guy this guy's better than we recruited he's better than i think yeah i mean for sure i mean there's times in a game i remember year one i mean we were so bad year one i mean it was like watching paint dry and uh he catches the ball of one of our only decent games that we still lost versus USC in game one he catches a swing pass on the sideline stiffs arms a dude and goes for like 55 and i'm like holy cow and then uh you're watching the highlight tape one person just couldn't bring him down and it would be over and over again you'd watch these plays and i think one of the

plays that really you know separates cam was when the big total title game we toss them though we hand him the ball he runs left he's about to lose eight yards he peruettes backwards throws the ball away like who has the awareness at running back to throw the ball away every fan has said it why didn't he just throw it away he's the lost 12 yards well he did it he did the thing that everybody said why don't they always do it? And that was Cam, and that's what made him special. Okay, you play, I think Colorado late in the season. I look at it here.

I want you to go back one year because you obviously know personnel. And I think Shador Sanders is good. And the reason I do is because he didn't have much of an O-line and he didn't have Cam Scadaboo in the backfield. And he played a lot of good teams in your conference. And he didn't win a lot of those games, but he was darn productive. And a lot of people, you know, you play at Ohio State. you play at Texas, you don't get touched.

You play at Colorado last year, and you're running around. Give me an evaluation on film and what you saw from Shadoor Sanders who dropped in the draft. If I said to you, Coach, there's one thing he's going to do really well in the NFL. Was there one thing that jumped off on tape when you prep for him? Yeah, I mean, preparation. You know, when I actually recruited Shador and, you know, I got a chance to get to know him a little bit, and being able to meet with him in the recruiting process, his just intelligence for the game,

his passion for the game, and his intelligence on the whiteboard was something that blew me away back when he was a 16-year-old. So I could only imagine that is now. So I think for him, when you watch his tape, you see a guy who's prepared, you see a guy who has a plan, and you see a guy who's poised.

And I think, you know, when great quarterbacks can play, you know, when they're under pressure, and it never looks like they're under. depression. I think there's a lot of times on his tape where, you know, he's being pressured, but he's calm, he's collected, and he knows where to go with the ball, and that's based off the preparation. Yeah, so whether you play teams or not, you see a ton of him on film, and he was on TV or on film, and you're watching, and I just think he's got something special.

Finally, when you look at your age, a lot of people are going to go, look at this kid. And this guy's going to the NFL. This guy, and I have no problem with that. There's a lot of changes in college football, you guys don't get enough time off. Is there a concern with you where the NFL does have space for coaches to have a life? You guys got two recruiting windows. Now you're recruiting your own players. If you could change college football, if you were running the sport, you're the czar of it. Would you give, is there anything that a young coach you feel like, man, I'd probably change?

I'll just try to change, stop changing. I don't know that sense. Like, that would be my change is let's just stop changing. Let's figure out what's best for these players. At the end of the day, this is college athletics. Like, it's all about the player. Everything I'll ever do is about the players. Everything I'll ever fight for, everything I'll ever compete for

is about how do I make the player experience, the player's pockets, the player experience, the player energy and what they remember college to be about better. Like, we're molding these kids for the rest of, of their life. And it's all about the players. So I would just say, how do we stop change, create some consistency, whatever that is, and make it about the player again, and make these kids still 18 to 22-year-olds, regardless of how much they make, regardless of how much we publicize them, these are still 18 to 22-year-olds who we have the responsibility to help them be successful

and figure out this time of their life. And I think too many times we kind of put these guys on too high of a pedal stool, they'll be perfect because they make money now, because they're famous at 16, 17, 18 years old, that we lose sight that they're still 18 to 22 year olds. So if I could change one thing, it would be stop putting so much pressure on these guys. Even if they're making money, it's not their fault.

This is an adult's problem that the kids are living in. And let's let these kids have fun, being college athletes, and living out their dream. You know, you're so youthful looking. I'm actually 14. So it's a good twist. It's just incredible what you've done. First year in the Big 12,

pick for last, wins the conference. Good for you, man. Not the last we've seen of you. All that Army running back works out. I've got a feeling him and Sam Leavitt are going to make a nice combo, coach. Thanks for coming on the herd. Appreciate it.

Go Devils. Just incredible. offensive coordinator. He was a very popular offensive coordinator at Oregon. I think he left after the 2022 season. And then he goes to Arizona State, and they weren't good initially. And Arizona State's always been kind of a sleeping giant, but they've been sleeping for a long time. Like there was not a lot of giant, there was a lot of sleeping.

And then he goes there, and about midway through the season, I'm like, what is their record? What's happening with Arizona State? And they had this young Levitz, like just a kid, and you're watching them, and Scataboo, and it's like, wow, the quarterback's young, the coach is young. Wow. Arizona State undergrad, 65,000 students. It's a gigantic, it's a beautiful campus, by the way. They, over the last 20 years, boy, they have, I think they have, I think Arizona State has

the largest off campus. They have a, it's amazing how many people aren't on campus that go to the school. off-campus students. Undergrad is 65,000. My staff just wrote that largest in the country. How about that? And Sam Levitt last year in his last seven games, 16 TDs, two picks. So that young quarterback, keep your eye on him. He's getting really, and he can move.

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We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. For Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jenchian win.

I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world. right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports.

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stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlic. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Well, all was one of our favorite parts of the week. As I am headed out after the show, I'll be back in about 10 days. Jamax's going to be taken over tomorrow and the rest of the week. But one of our, first of all, I love Kenny Dillingham.

I'd just love to see a young coach. He joked that he's 14. Can you imagine being picked dead last at your alma mater and winning? That's like one of the stories of the year. And the Big 12 had interesting teams. You have Texas teams. You have Utah. I think you got BYU.

They didn't play Colorado, but they, they, they, Colorado. But he's a guy that's kind of known as a relentless recruiter. So, you know, it's interesting when he talks about Shudor Sanders on the whiteboard and when he's talking about recruiting him. And it's just, I just love that story. That makes me happy. You mentioned he looks young. You know, I still get carted at bars, right?

Well. You didn't know that because you don't hang out with me anymore. You don't call me. You're hanging out with all the, you're such an elitist now, coward. All these trips and hanging out with big important people and bashing lowly guys like me and Jalen Hertz and Brock Purdy. By the way, I have been, we're talking Jalen Hertz tomorrow when you're going. I have so much ammo that is just, you're going to see it when it goes on social media. You're like, I got to change my Jalen Hertz take.

Listen, J. Mack, I got news for you. I'm not on social media when I go on vacation. You are. All right, let's do it. Tomorrow's headlines today. Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns week one starter. Well, we're going with a theme, and there's some quarterback controversies sort of in the league as we head into the summer. We'll start with the Browns. You saw the numbers from the OTAs. A lot of controversy. The headline will be new picket fence. Browns build wall. around next quarterback. So sorry to your boy, Shador Sanders, who threw three touchdowns at OTAs. This is Kenny Pickett's job to lose, Colin. You and I may not think Pickett's the long-term answer, but in terms of the Cleveland Browns right now, he's not only a clubhouse leader, he will be starting in week one if he's healthy. That's very clear. Gabriel, who Kevin Stefansky loves, he's not quite

ready. We know Shadur's not ready. Wouldn't be surprised if Shadur was inactive for several of the first few weeks of the season, not even dressed. Kenny Pickett is going to be their guy. The best chance those rookies have, Colin, is if another quarterback is hurt. And then the Brown say, hey, we've got Kenny Pickett. If you don't want to splurge for cousins, here's Pickett. But otherwise, Kenny Pickett will be starting week one for Cleveland. Tomorrow's headlines today.

How about the allergic to offense Pittsburgh Steelers week one? So the Pittsburgh Steelers, we know that Aaron Rogers is, he's toying with the idea of going back to the NFL. He's sitting in lecterns and saying, I don't know, the headline in Pittsburgh will be. Are we going to see it? Red nose reboot. Rudolph returns to guide Steelers night. I don't think Aaron Rogers is coming back.

We will have wasted so much bandwidth on Aaron Rogers' potential return. I just think it's going to be Mason Rudolph. You saw the quotes yesterday, how excited he is to just be wanted. And I'm kind of happy for the guy. Will Howard is the other quarterback. he ain't ready. So it'll be Mason Rudolph. I don't think he's going to get you a lot of wins. But Colin, I do wonder if not only Terry Bradshaw out on Rogers, Ben Rathesberger, his comments have been kind of lukewarm. It's almost like, hey, we just saw that with the Jets. What are we doing?

The vaunted Pittsburgh Steelers, getting in the Aaron Rogers business. So I think it'll be Mason Rudolph as QB1 for Pittsburgh this season. All right, let's go to the NFC tomorrow's headlines today. What's it going to be for the Falcons and the ATL? So, you know, Kirk Cousins is not showing up at OTA. It's kind of troubling. We know he's probably the better quarterback right now than Michael Pennex, but the headline will be breaking Kirkview, Cousins locked out of the QB room. He wants to be traded. He's not even going to compete because Colin, I mean, do you think it's fair that he's not even getting the chance. They're just handing it to Penix, who looked pretty good at the end of last

season. I mean, I know they didn't get the wins necessary. Penick looked okay in a comeback role. I like him a lot, but Kirk Cousins is a veteran. And, you know, if we're being real here, between Pitts, Bejohn, Drake London, the offensive line, Atlanta's ready to win now. Yeah. I like Pennix. I think he's going to get it. But there's a case for Kirk Cousins, if you really look at it. Well, speaking of young quarterbacks, the New York Giants, a draft the Jackson Dart out of Ole Miss tomorrow's headlines today, staying in the NFC. What's the headline for the New York Giants week one starter? You know, it's interesting. The Cleveland Browns are soaking up all the oxygen.

Oh, they're contrary. Why is nobody talking about the Giants? Where Jackson Dart was just taken in the first round, the Giants traded back in to get him. Is it going to be Russ or Dart? What about James? The headline for the New York Giants will be from Russ. Ah, with love. Giants Embrace New Free Agent. A little James Bond play there. Russell Wilson's going to be the guy.

It's interesting because Brian Dable talked about it before the draft. Or I'm sorry, after the draft saying, yeah, Russ is our starter. But Jackson DART, when he takes the podium and saying all the right things. You know where Russ is, by the way. He's at New York Knicks front row with his wife. Have you noticed he's decked out all these outfits? Russ is acting like he's the mayor. He loves being in New York in the spotlight.

but Jackson Dart quietly behind the scenes looks the part, sounds the part winning over the media. I think Russ gets it, but this is going to be closer than the experts think. Russell Wilson better look over his shoulder and quit watching Knicks games from Celebrity Row. I will say I am kind of interested by how that plays out. And finally, what will the headline be tomorrow's headlines today for the Saints Week 1 starters? So this is a legit controversy in New Orleans. I mean, it's not a sexy one. Since Carr retired, it's like Spencer Rattler, Tyler Shuck?

Who? Guy is 27-year-old rookie? The headline for the Saints will be. What the Shuck? Saints swear Spencer is right choice. I'm going to go Spencer Rattler here. I know he didn't show particularly well last year. The Saints are a disaster.

I mean, if you look at actual depth charts right now, they're one of the worst teams in the league. Their win total is terrible. A car might have made a smart decision retiring. I don't love Rattler, but I really don't like Tyler Shuck. He's going to get an opportunity because he's six, seven, and looks the part. But I think Rattler's going to win this job, a little bit of an experience edge. And I think he'll be a little bit of a better fit for the Kellen Moore system.

But man, that is not the sexiest quarterback controversy in the league. You know, I was just thinking about this, Jason, as I'm watching the Saints. We can blame whoever we want. But what happened to the Saints when Bree is retired? The Steelers when Ben retired and the Patriots when Brady retired. Suddenly smart people look incompetent. I mean, you can even say this. When Andrew Luck suddenly retired, they've been bailing water in Indianapolis.

And by the way, did a pretty good job. Carson Wentz had a pretty good year. Philip Rivers had a great last year in the league, made the playoffs. I mean, Carson Wentz had 27 touchdowns, seven picks. It was not a disaster. So Chris Ballard found Carson Wentz, and he's got an offensive coach, and they got Philip Rivers. But when you lose a transcendent talent, young Andrew Luck, Big Ben, Breeze, Brady, you know the franchise that hasn't happened to? Green Bay, loses Favreve, loses.

Rogers and can still be a playoff team. And I think one of the things you, I think you said this like five or six years ago when we started working together, one of your first takes was you should draft a quarterback every year. And for the record, Belichick, he did about every other year. And he had Garoppolo in the second round, and Robert Kraft made him get rid of him. And that just infuriated him because he knew Tom was getting older. And he may have overvalued Jimmy Garoppolo, a lot of us did.

but it is I mean it's really funny when these legendary quarterback talents leave it doesn't matter who your GM is I mean if Mahomes today I'm retiring I don't care how good Brett Veach is like this was not a good quarterback draft next year what do you do what do you give up

to get up Drew Aller or Arch Manning you don't necessarily have to draft one early but you have to have a secession plan like what do we do if things fall apart and that's a good point on the Chiefs there's nothing I mean you look at politics once that old former president was cooked, it was like, what do we do? And they were left holding the bag and they screwed it up. You have to have a secession plan.

I mean, you know, you look around the league, Colin, that's a really good point. What teams do not have any backup quarterback ready if somebody up and retired? I mean, that's why Jimmy Garoppolo is with the Rams and McVeigh. He knows he's been in big games. If Stafford gets banged up, he's older, he's not super mobile. Their O-Lines pretty good. Jimmy Garoppolo can play three games and win a one or two based on where you're playing and what the matchup is. So, I mean, that's why I chase Daniels last forever.

He knows the playbook. He's been around. Keep him in the room. He's a great mentor. You know, on average, I don't know the exact number last year, but over 50 quarterbacks have played the last two years. And that's in a league now where you can't grab them and drive them. You can't hit them low. I mean, quarterbacks have never been more protected.

They've never practiced being sacked. as much, and you're still playing 50 to 55 quarterbacks a year. That's why it's maddening when you look at Pittsburgh, and you're like, guys, what are you doing? Right now you have the worst quarterback room in the league. By the way, Brian Schottnerner, Cowboys Coach, new Cowboys coach, was asked about the quarterback room today in Dallas, talked about DAC. And I think DAC is in the developmental phase, and that sounds crazy for guys played that much, but like there's things that we're tweaking with DAC.

Yeah, I'm not sure what you're doing. What are you tweaking with Dak at this point? I'm not sure if Dak needs to be tweaked. He just needs to stay healthy. Yeah, that's weird. It doesn't sound great. But another guy besides Chase Daniels, Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean, he was in the league forever.

He's a great bridge quarterback, a great backup, who can get you to it through a year. I don't know if Zach Wilson is that kind of guy. Like, if things go awry, can Zach Wilson keep you afloat? Well, the encouraging thing is there has never been that I can recall more really good. I mean, Kenny Dillingham's another offensive guy. There have never been more good young offensive minds in college or pro football. I mean,

Kenny Dillingham may be a pro football coach in years. Lane Kiffin could certainly coach in the NFL. Steve Sarkesian could coach in the NFL. I mean, there's, I mean, college pays them great and they love it. Lincoln Riley, who knows? But, I mean, I think college and pro look more similar than they've ever looked. It used to be you just wouldn't hire a college basketball or a college football coach. I think college football. Now Harbaugh maybe is a bit of an outlier. But, you know, a guy like Kenny Dillingham, if they win again and he's doing creative stuff. At some point, he can clearly, 59 quarterbacks started last year.

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