The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Lakers-Clippers, Burrow

Episode Date: February 4, 2022

The Lakers and the Clippers are basically the sameJoe Burrow continues to impressGuest: Mark Sanchez Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you can't mess up. It is Valentine's Day. Birthday? Birthday? Christmas or anniversary? And Christmas. Here's the thing about anniversaries. Yeah.

I'm really bad with dates. So I give people passes on anniversary. I never have one. I forget mine every year it comes around. Every time. I'm like, babe, can I go to this? He's like, do you know what today is? I'm like, no, what's today?

Again. I did it again. It's terrible. Yeah, I give people passes on anniversaries. It's, it's a wedding anniversary. You forget your wedding anniversary? my wedding university. Alex, come on. Your wedding anniversary? I know. I know it's the

weekend, like 4th of July weekend. I just never remember the day. I know it's around that time. Okay. Dating anniversary, I gave you passes on. Wedding anniversary, you probably got to remember. I'm the worst. I'm the worst. But I am also the worst. We'll talk to Mark Sanchez at the bottom of the hour. So last night, we're watching the Lakers Clippers game last night. We're talking to a lot of Los Angeles sports right. Now, look, it's the center of the sports universe. What do you want me to do? And the Lakers and the Clippers are playing. the Lakers have AD and Russell Westbrook.

But I'm watching this game, and I came to a bit of a realization as I'm watching the Clippers steal one from the Lakers last night. Here was the sound of the final moments of that game by Noah Eagle, AM 570, LA Sports. 10 seconds left as Jackson moves across from right to left. Jackson, a screen for his left from Terranceman, is doubled.

He spins, he puts it up. He makes it in. Reggie Jackson, D. down the left alley. 4.1 seconds, romantic. Davis at mid-court, left to right. Davis with one second left. Moats it up, in and out, and the Clippers survive.

A battle for L.A. for the ages. Reggie Jackson plays hero, the game winner, to give the Clippers a 11-110 victory. I'm sitting on my couch watching that, watching the final moments. AD's shot goes up, pops out, and I just literally just laid my head back on the couch. in disbelief. I mean, look at this. You got to make that. But as I'm watching the game

and I'm watching the Clippers beat the Lakers, and I talk to lots of Lakers fans, obviously being here in Los Angeles, so I have these conversations all the time. And I've come to a conclusion that Lakers fans have wildly unrealistic expectations for this team. The Lakers and the Clippers are basically the same,

except for you're watching the game last night, and they talked about it on the broadcast, like Tai Lou, he's done such a good job, he's coaching without a star, He's dealing with all these injuries, just trying to make it through. And it's like, oh, yeah, but the Vogel's doing the same thing with the Lakers. The only difference is it's LeBron and AD on the Lakers, and there's these expectations of a championship every single year with the Lakers. And the Clippers, if they make the postseason, it's exciting.

So there's no rage towards the Clippers, when if you took out their two stars, if you took out A.D. and LeBron, and you took out Paul George and Kauai, and you just looked at their rosters. Whose roster would you take? I think you'd lean towards the rest of the roster being the clippers. You'd obviously take LeBron and AD in most cases. Most people would. But ID is never healthy. And now LeBron is out. So should they have won the game last night?

Yes. But they both have championship coaches. Vogel having won one very recently. And the difference is one thing. Expectations. They both have two stars. Kauai is a champion. AD is now a champion, obviously, having one one with LeBron in the bubble.

But he's never healthy. So I just look at the Lakers and the expectations that you have for them this year. I constantly hear from Lakers fans. I cannot believe that we are just 500. I cannot believe that this is our record. Based off of what? Russell Westbrook is exactly what he has always been, maybe a little bit worse. He's struggled a bit this season.

But he's basically giving you what he's always been. It was just probably not a right fit. AD, injured again. Stop me if you've heard that before. and LeBron doing everything he can to keep the team afloat and it's probably going to lead the league in scoring. Like, what do you want here? They should have won the game last night.

I will give you that. Ad is on the floor. You should do that. But you have the oldest roster in the league. And I'm breaking my heart over here, man. My facial expressions do this whole take is just. All I'm saying is shouldn't the expectations for the Lakers be just a wee bit more reasonable?

Just a tad. There were two ways it was going to go this year, though. There were the high expectations of you have a lot. these players that were great. Some are still great at one point in their career. Obviously, the age, highest average age, I think, in the league. They're the oldest name in the league. Yeah, could have gone the other way. We also knew that. They're old. You need young players. You need that stamina. You need to be able to keep up. Mello is hurt now. It could have gone that way or it could have been great. And I was

on the side of, I'm an optimist. I thought it was going to be great. I was hoping it was going to be great. And it's not. So I'm not surprised. But it's not that it's not great. Like, That's my point. That's my point. When you talk about the Clippers and Tailu, you talk about how they're probably overachieving considering the circumstances. But when you talk about the Lakers, it's like it's calamity and fire Vogel. Because it's the Lakers.

It's just the sky is falling. Like, look at the roster. To your point, if that, if it's just a swing, like it could either be really good or could be quote unquote bad, that is a big risk to take. So maybe you haven't built a really balanced roster overall. I look there's plenty of there's plenty of basketball left all right I just think maybe maybe Lakers fans maybe just a suggestion to lower the expectations and the hostility just a tad have some perspective you haven't had everybody healthy like how do you even evaluate a team when you haven't had anyone

healthy that's all I'm saying it's just I'm looking at the Clippers last night and they're talking about the clippers like just you know just keep chugging along and it's like the Lakers are basically in the same situation, only with an older roster, and it's like the whole world is ending. It just probably needs to be a little bit more realistic. Let's get to Heard Line News with Alex Curry. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. But it's the Lakers.

You can't lower your expectations. It's not about lowering expectations. It's about having realistic expectations. It's all about perspective. All right. So change them halfway through. Once you see what you got, once you see what you got, bring him down. All right.

Well, we could argue about that all day. Anyway, last week, Shad had some, Shack, Shaq had some criticism for Ben Simmons regarding his current situation with the 76ers, and at one point, Shaq referred to Simmons as a crybaby. Now, last night on NBA, on TNT, Shaq said Simmons reached out to him regarding the comments. He sent me a text. I showed you guys a text, but I'm not going to talk about, you know, how to respect for him what was in the DM.

But, you know, he's going to do some things right now, so I'm going to back off. As an LSU brother, I'm going to back off. Like when I say something, you have permission to come back, because with me, it ain't personal. If I say something just how I feel at the time, you don't like it. Hollat me. He hollered.

I slash we, we criticized them because we got criticized. And for the great ones, the great ones step up to criticism. I loved that take and that honesty from Shaq, because we do sit here. And we do comment on players' situations. And we don't know what's going on. We just talked to Jake Glazer and talked about mental health and the gray areas. No one knows what's going on with Ben Simmons except for Ben Simmons.

Correct. Exactly. And we don't know what he said to Shaq in their conversations, but it was enough for Shaq to recognize it, respect it, and give him a space. Yes. I mean, Shaq spoke to him directly. So I have to respect that if Shaq backed off of it, Shaq tends to keep it a buck. So he obviously felt the need to back off the situation. Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I don't know that everyone has this mentality, but I do. I assume that whoever it is I'm talking about is hearing what I'm saying. And I'm like a Twitter troll. Yeah. You see my face. You hear my voice. You know who I am. You know how to find me.

So I treat it as such. Like there's a certain level of respect that you have to have while also doing our job, which sometimes requires you to be critical. But the Ben Simmons situation has really gone from bad to worse. and there hasn't really been a reasonable solution to it. Ben Simmons did not do himself any favors with the way that this all played out. I do think the Sixers also have to bear responsibility for how it played out, the front office. And in general, if you have a player that, you know, has some sensitivities that Ben Simmons clearly does,

then how you handle things when things go badly is going to matter. So there's been a lot of different reports about what's going on here. I just don't know based off of this entire, the way that this is all played out. If I'm a winning organization, why I'm giving up massive amounts of equity to get Ben Simmons in. And he is also,

while spectacular at certain things, extremely limited at others and has shown no interest in changing that part of his game. So I think we'll see how this all plays out at the end of the season. It looks like he's not going to play this season. Yep. And one day we'll get the real story.

Exactly. Once we get the facts, then I think real opinions can come out. Moving on. Jim Harbaugh is making no secret to the fact that he was interested in leaving Michigan to become the next head coach of the Vikings. But when the Vikings didn't offer him the job, he decided to stop chasing NFL jobs. And he told Detroit press this. Sure, the Super Bowl is the greatest prize of our sport, but winning a national championship, that's pretty darn great. So let's do that. There was a poll to the NFL because I got close to the Super Bowl, but this was the time to try and return. This wasn't the time. And this is the last time. Now, let's go chase the college football's greatest prize. Now, I think he was in a great position, regardless of which place he went.

He has built a great culture at Michigan, a winning culture. But yeah, he was ready to go back to the NFL. Can you blame him with what's going on in college football? No, there's a lot of changes going on in college football. Most of which I think everyone is being wildly dramatic about reacting to the, you know, the changes. People freak out about change. I find it obnoxious. But again, I can't, you know, compare myself to everybody else.

You know, change is not that big of a deal to me. I'm very used to it. Some people are not as, you know, adaptable, which is fine, I guess. But I don't think that's what this is about. I think he wanted to go back to the NFL. I think he was mad about the pay cut. Yep. There was a reason why he had this interview on National Signing Day.

So, you know, overall, sure, I do believe he wants to stay at Michigan right now. Right now. I think his heart isn't it right now. I think he's here right now. But this did do some damage to the stability of him at Michigan. So you can't argue that. Nope. Other people that are recruiting against him are going to use this.

And it's not going to be unmerited. No. And we'll see what we're talking about next year if like the Cowboys job opens up or something. How married you are to Michigan. You know this kind of just made me think of Aaron Rogers and Green Bay last season where it was like just kind of waited to the last minute. Like what's he going to do? Is he going to come? And then he just shows up for a stay and like, okay, he's here.

Yeah. This is good. I want to be here. Well, but now. He's going a little bit more over the top with his love for Michigan. and how much you really wanted to be here and how happy he is there and all that. It sounds good.

And if he changes his mind, I'm not going to freak out and judge him. This is the current situation. It's like, you're single until you're not single. Like, you're for the streets until you're not for the streets. Like, it's just what it is. I think he's happy temporarily. This is a good situation.

And Michigan's happy. Everyone's happy until the circumstances changes. And then we'll see what happens. Let's revisit this in a year and see what happens. All right, moving on. Zach Taylor is very familiar with Cooper Cup and his talent. Taylor was a Rams assistant wide receiver coach, Cup's rookie year,

and was very complimentary. when speaking about him in his Super Bowl press conference. He's one of the smartest players I've ever been around at any position. He really approaches the game like a quarterback, to be quite honest with you. But Cooper, you know, he's one that he's a big picture thinker. So he really understands the structure of the defenses, the nuances of the route running. And he cares about the run game as well. And so, you know, there's oftentimes he would screenshot, you know,

pictures of defenses with run thoughts. You know, you'd wake up in the next morning. to a midnight text from Cooper Cup, with thoughts on things that could help the offense. And so he's certainly rare that way. He is very impressive. And I think we all got a glimpse into the mind of Cooper Cup with that technical post-game interview that went viral.

Let me tell you, I was on the sidelines for 10 years. I was getting those post-game interviews. I never got anything like that. You wish and hope and pray for those kind of answers just to get into the mind of a player. It's impressive. And it was crazy. I stopped it.

I rewined it. I watched that interview like three or four times just to wrap your head around it. But he is so impressive. And he spends every moment with Matthew Stafford. So he is thinking like a quarterback. Yeah. He's, he's,

I think, the best receiver in the league. We don't get, even saying I think that, like, he's the best receiver in the league. We're all hesitant about giving Cooper Cup his flowers. He's incredible.

And I do think, to your point, the time he spends with Matthew Stafford is huge. Their connection is the reason, a big, big, big reason why they are in the Super Bowl right now. He's at a tremendous year. and he deserves a lot of credit because he is he's a team guy, a great culture guy, and he's a big part of their success.

That's Alex Curry with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Good looking thread here. Don't tell Colin. Thank you. I got two joyisms right here. Joyisms? What's a joyism? Some people, I'll tell you. Get your mic so I can hear you.

Yeah. He said I have two joyisms. Mark Sanchez, Fox Sports NFL analysts, obviously, former NFL quarterback and Trojan. What is a joyism? I just love what you're saying. saying during the news segment, you said, some people are not as adaptable to change, which is okay, I guess.

Yeah, that's a joy of some people. And then you're single to you're not, and you're from the streets until you're not. No, for the streets. If you're from the streets, you're from the streets. You can temporarily not be for the streets. You can transition out of being for the streets. I think all of us at one point or another have been for the streets, but we don't need to talk about that today.

So it's Super Bowl weekends, next weekend. in L.A. You're an L.A. guy. You've been around this city when there's a big big events and everyone's getting really excited about it. But Matthew Stafford did a tremendous job this year. Oh. I know, right?

I give flowers when it's appropriate. Yeah. I give flowers when it's appropriate. Oh, apologetic for Matthew Stafford? Listen, he's saying this because I was very critical of Matthew Stafford over the course of the season. He did have a lot of turnovers, Mark. He did. And he corrected it. He's had turnovers in his career.

Yes. Okay. Yes. You are allowed to have turnovers if you're a quarterback. You're throwing the ball. But when and how you turn the ball over matters as well. Like there's a difference. And some of them are bad, causing them to lose. And he has corrected it. And I'm giving him credit for that, as I have been throughout the postseason,

because he's done a tremendous job. So how impressed are you with Matthew Stafford? Well, I just think he's solidified what a lot of people thought about him, but had their doubts. Maybe I missed Joy Taylor had her doubts. he's thrown for 50,000 yards. I mean, and I think one of the coolest things is to see how he's, I guess, matured and not like he was an immature guy, but as a player, I mean, as a passer, and understanding he

can delegate some of these big, this playmaking ability and these big splash plays. He doesn't have to do it all like he did in Detroit. Like, he's got a ton of weapons, and he's really figuring out how to use him at the right time, and you can't argue with how clutch he's been in the playoffs, ripping off three, wins in a row, some huge throws at the end of ball games, critical moments. He's been just an absolute sniper from the pocket. And I love it. I love his game. I love that he's finally getting a chance to do this and prove some of the doubters wrong. Yeah, I mean, it's fine. You can absolutely prove me wrong. I'm happy to say I'm not even wrong. Like, I'm happy to say that I'm happy to see people

step up to the opportunities that they're given. We talked about him, obviously, in bubble wrap, as you're teasing me about for a long time. Well, if he was in a better organization, if he had this, if he had that, then he'd be a Super Bowl quarterback. Well, that's what I love about this story, because similar to what we're going to get to see with Jimmy G., which I'll ask you about in a second,

sometimes in sports, you know, we theorize and talk about this stuff on all our shows and debate it, but we never get to actually play out the scenario. Well, in this scenario, we did. A lot of people felt that Jared Goff was being propped up by McVeigh and the Rams organization, and a lot of people felt that Matthew Stafford

was being limited by the Lions organization. Well, SWAT. Now Jared Gough is with the Lions. How many did they win? Three, three games. Matthew Stafford's in the Super Bowl. Now, Jared Gough did go to the Super Bowl with the Rams. So Matthew Stafford technically has to win a Super Bowl in order for it to be more successful than Jared G.

But he has done a tremendous job. And so we're getting to see this play out. So speaking of Jimmy G, it's Trey season for the Niners. All the Niners fans I know are so excited about Trey Lance, which I am too. I'm looking forward to seeing how it works out. But but but but but. sometimes the grass isn't always greener and Jimmy is a winning quarterback and that's a very tough division. So two part.

What do you think of Jimmy G overall and where do you think he should go? Jimmy G, he's a winner. He had a rough last throw. So there's a bad taste in people's mouth, I think. But where is he going to go? Like Denver, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Washington, Detroit, Indie, Houston. No Detroit. Any of those places like could potentially take a flyer on him and kick the

tires on Jimmy G. And that's not bad for him. He's put himself in a great position through, I mean, absolute, just a tough situation this year. They draft your replacement, you know, you're in and out of the lineup. You've been dealing with injuries and to still make it to where they made it to get to the championship game after losing a ton of players. I mean, he's battled through a lot.

So I think there's definitely a market for him where he fits best. I think you nailed it earlier in the show. You said Aaron Rogers. that domino has to fall and then everything else. It'll be a ripple effect and things will start to happen. That's got to happen first. And now it just puts a ton of pressure on Trey Lance. Like, you better be right.

I mean, everybody's going to expect him to show up day one and be ready to go to the NFC championship game. Oh, yeah. It's a ton of pressure. That's a long row. That's a long season and a tough, tough playoff situation. So they're going to have their handsful. Look at Mark watching the whole show. I love that.

We'll bring back Mark Sanchez. We'll talk about Burrow. get a Brady story, ask him about Caleb Williams, all of that next with Mark Sanchez on The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days,

I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win.

I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,

this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be.

Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes.

Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of taun tons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people.

I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. And I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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the bigger the jackpot gets. Welcome back to the herd, Joy Taylor, filling in for Colin Cowherd, Mark Sanchez with us again and Alex Curry. And I'm going to be with both of you tomorrow. It's very exciting. Oh, you're going to camp? Yeah, of course. Yeah, football camp.

We are doing a free camp for girls ages 8 to 18, Gridiron Girls Camp, actually sponsored by Fox Sports, at St. Francis X. Cabrini School. All the information is on Joy Taylor Foundation.com. It's totally free. Girls, ages 8 to 18. Former players, like Mark Sanchez, will be there. Alex Curry.

I'll be doing my show for Fox Sports Radio there. It'll be a great day of camp. You get to learn football from some professionals. Dr. Jen Welter, who was the first female coach in the NFL with Bruce Ariens, who, by the way, has the most diverse staff in the league. Still, today. Just a small mention. Mark Sanchez, back with us.

And we were actually talking in the Brose. break about ownership. I won't say what you're, I won't say exactly what we were talking about in the break. But I do think that it's an interesting conversation because we are talking a lot about owners this week, the Brian Flores lawsuit

and how the hiring practices go. And I did want to ask you, being a former player, because anytime you work in a dysfunctional workplace, it affects you as talents. You guys are talents. And does it, how does it play in

the locker room when there's dysfunctional things going on at the top. There's firestorm stories like the Washington football, sorry, the Washington commanders or the dolphins right now. I don't know if you've been in one of those locker rooms, but how does that affect the players? Well, without getting into the specific locker rooms, I think every giant corporation organization has some level of dysfunction. Now, how high that is. No, no, no. I'm talking about, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about, you don't want to give the deeps, Mark. No, I don't want details. I don't want details.

I'm talking about real situations, like what's going on with the dolphins, like what's going on with the giants. I just think to look at it from, you know, a lens of these owners have so much money. They don't have a football background. They have either a business background, a real estate background, whatever it is. They have bees behind their name and their bank account for billions, right? And they're playing fantasy football in real life. and sometimes, you know, your fantasy lineup doesn't work out so well. And you want to make changes and you want to go in and meddle.

So the owners that tend to meddle tend to shake things up a little bit. And that ripple effect affects everyone in the locker room. It affects coaches. It changes careers. Changes lives. Changes perception of people. And it's unfortunate. But you're never going to stop that.

That's just what it is. That's just kind of the way it goes. And it's going to be there. The less it's there, the better. I think. We're talking to Mark Sanchez on the herd, Joy Taylor and Alex Curry in for Colin, who's off today. So we didn't talk about Joe Burrow. I'm Dave.

I'm, I'm, Burrow. Ooh, is that what it is? That's spicy. That's fun. I thought that was what it is because he's all icy and cold. Oh, Burr. Oh, I thought you were, I thought you were, I thought you were doing something else. Lou.

Is this thing on? What are we doing here? Alex and I are thinking about something else. How am I hip to that? Don't worry about it, Mark. Anyway. Let's focus. Joe Burrow is great. And what I think Joe Burrow has done is two things.

One, I think he's reset the clock on all these young quarterbacks and the type of success that they need to have early because he doesn't have a good offensive line. I mean, think about it. He doesn't have a good offensive line. He doesn't have a proven coach until this year. He's not with a particularly functional organization. And he overcame an injury.

You're single till you're not. You're for the streets until you're not. Correct. But if all your friends are married and you're the one out in the streets trying to drag everybody else out, Different strokes. People start to judge you a little bit. And that's the goal.

No, I just think, yes, what he's done there, the collection of players that they've acquired, look at that guy, making it does some catch. The plays he's been able to make his resilience. And I'll tell you what else, just specifically from a quarterback and respecting the position, respecting the game, the dude got sacked nine times against the number one seat. I don't think you can write enough articles about it. I don't think you can talk about it enough. Nine times.

I feel like Ferris Bueller, nine times, okay? Just getting absolutely mailed in the pocket, hammered in the pocket, booed in the pocket. And the dude stands there, stares down the barrel, and continues to deliver the ball after that knee injury. Most guys after a knee injury like that, I know even after shoulder surgeries, finger injuries, you're like a little gun shy between your ears.

That is a hard thing to overcome. And that dude didn't flinch. He didn't blink. I was so impressed with that. Now, the glasses, we got to work on the glasses. I like the glasses. I don't know. I love the swag.

Yeah. I mean, I love the swag. I just, that. It's a part of it. It's a part of it. He is. And it's different in Cincinnati than it is in New York. It is a little different.

But that's what I love about it, though, because you have L.A. and the flashy Rams and that we don't need draft picks, Rams and aggressive and superstars, which I love. and then you have Cincinnati who, you know, has traditionally been a losing organization, but has been slowly building towards this, still have a ways to go, and you bring in the guy,

a culture changer in Cincinnati, and that's what the NFL is. You have Kansas cities, you have Green Bayes, you have Cincinnati's who are able to get successful essentially overnight if you get the right guy. Speaking of, not Cincinnati, USC, got Caleb Williams.

Oh, yeah. Are you excited? Oh, we're thrilled. That's big time. I mean, well, you got to understand. I understand too. Both of the guys who played last year, Jackson Dart and Keyneslovis, went to other schools and to the portal. It sounds like there was some transparency there between Lincoln Riley and those players. Like, hey, you know, this kind of direction we're going.

And it's probably best for everybody if we part ways. Cool. I appreciate that. But this kid, I mean, he already speaks the language. He knows the offense. He can get guys lined up. There's something to be said for that, not having to reteach all that to somebody. and somebody who's had a ton of success in big games playing for Oklahoma, that's huge. So I think he's really going to enjoy it. Now it's just getting into a rhythm, figuring out where class is, you know, meeting new friends and getting together with your teammates, earning their trust and respect. And I think he's going to do just fine.

But I think it's a huge pickup. And I mean, gosh, I haven't heard this much positive news about USC in a long time. Now, at a certain point, you've got to strap up your helmet and go win a football game. So we'll see how things go. but I love the direction they're heading and it looks promising. They did a really good job with the transfer portal, which you expected. You know,

you bring in someone like Lincoln Riley. That's what you expect from him. So again, you spent a lot of time in L.A. We were talking a little bit about this earlier, about the ability for the Rams to take advantage of this moment. They've been back in L.A. for six years now. They've been to the Super Bowl twice now. They're going obviously next weekend.

Lost the first one. But they've started to get some momentum here in Los Angeles. And, you know, like, everybody hates us around the country. I get it. And like, it is us now. I've been here six years. So I'm a loss.

You're one of us. I love. Nice. I'm, yeah. I live here. This is my home now. But Colin brought up an interesting rating statistic, which is very, you know, inside baseball.

But the Brams Bucks had a 66th share in the fourth quarter here in Los Angeles, which means 66% of TVs in L.A. were on that game, which in television is impossible to do anymore. That is a huge, huge number. And they talked about, Kevin Demoff talked about trying to take, you know, they feel like they can take some momentum and become a part of that Lakers, Dodgers, you know, big time fan base threshold here in L.A. I think they have a lot of things turning in their direction,

but winning the Super Bowl is an absolute must for that. Like, it's not good enough just to make the Super Bowl. It accelerates the cause. But remember, football was gone for a long time. I was the benefactor at USC without a half. having an LA professional NFL team. What kind of benefits you're talking about, Mark? A benefactor of the media attention.

I'm vexed me at times. Nice try. So, um, not funny. By the way, I promised everyone that you would sing for us. You didn't see that part of the show. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Come on, songbird. Next time. What was your song? I don't know. It depends on the crowd.

No, what was your song? No, your song on the show. Oh, Faith by George Michael. then we did imagine dragons. Ooh.

Mark is a, was a big karaoke guy. Yeah, well, we're up against the break. We're about to, we're about to be done with the show. Thanks for hanging out with us today, Mark. You were great. Thank you, Alex. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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