The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Lakers, Packers

Episode Date: February 25, 2022

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And this person's really making the calls behind the scenes. And there's just a lot going on. And I've just come to the realization that the Lakers are a bit of a bit of a Hollywood scene. They are living up to Los Angeles, which is a place that, look, this can sometimes have some unrealistic expectations and isn't known for having an abundance of self-awareness. That's not what we do out here. We have a minimum of that. And there's a lot that you can look at with the Lakers and make very rational conclusions.

But nothing that's happening with the Lakers right now is rational or measured. It feels a bit out of control when it's. comes to the the public narrative around this team. When you look at what it is, it's actually quite simple. They came into the season with the oldest roster in the league. Well, what should you expect in that situation? Probably some injuries, right? You brought in Russell Westbrook and expected him to be something other than what he's been his entire career and he has been what he's been his entire career. So you shouldn't have any other expectations there. the team is still family-owned, family-run.

They rely on former Lakers and close friends for decision-making. It's run by Kobe's agent, Rob Belenka. You brought in LeBron and Clutch, which everyone in the league knows comes with a certain amount of succession with submission of power. That's how it works when you bring in LeBron. He is going to want some control. He is going to want some say, which is completely fair.

And all of the decisions might not be the best decisions, but that's the choice you make when you bring in LeBron James. You won a championship, and now you need to take an honest look at the roster and the situation. I just feel like a little bit of accountability would go a long way for the Lakers, a little accountability, a little bit of transparency, a little bit of a measured voice of this is what we are. We realize what we are.

This is what our expectations are. this is what we plan on delivering in the future. We have a plan. We are not in chaos from one particular voice. Now who that voice needs to be, I don't know. But I don't believe that the situation, even on the court, is that out of control. You don't have Anthony Davis healthy, which, by the way, also should not be surprised to anyone. Because whether it's his fault or not, Anthony Davis is not a traditionally available player.

So the Lakers just feel like, they feel like true detective. Season one was amazing. Now, not literally the first season was LeBron, but like the bubble season ended so poetically. It was so great. Everything aligned. You won the championship. You brought in LeBron.

Hallelujah. The Lakers are champions. And then season two, let's call it really season three situation. It's, you know, still a bunch of stars, maybe not the right combination. The expectations are wildly out of control for what it should be. and moving forward, we kind of know what it is.

But just a little bit of accountability, a little bit of a measured, solid response to everything that's happening. All these leaks. LeBron has more power than Kobe did. Well, it's pretty easy to see where that's coming from. That doesn't benefit LeBron at all to be out. Then it's someone else's fault that Russell Westbrook is here.

Like, it just, everyone needs to stop positioning for power and stop blame shifting and just come out with the statements, come out with some collective voice of what we are, where we are, what fans should expect, what you expect. And I feel like everything would really simmer down with the Lakers. Let's get to Ryan with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Hirdline News. Well, Joy, very well said about the Lakers. My Lakers, unfortunately, but we'll move on from there and turn our attention to the NFL for right now. Mack Jones led the Patriots to the postseason and was voted to the Pro Bowl as a rookie this year. Far and away the best rookie season out of all of the quarterbacks that were drafted

last year. A lot of reasons for that, obviously much more stability in New England than what the likes of Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence had to deal with. Jones completed 67.6% of his passes this year, throwing 22 touchdowns, 13 picks in route to a 10-win season. Now, despite the success, Patriots quarterback does plan to stay in the New England this off season because he knows he still has a lot to work on. I want to be back close to home in New England in the offseason, because we obviously have our place there and just figure out ways

to become a better quarterback and then do whatever we can to put more points up on the board so we can win more games. Jones has also addressed in recent weeks that some of his goals this off season are about getting stronger, cleaning up his diet, which includes cutting back on ice cream. He said that was his vice that he's trying to cut back on.

Yeah, I'm not a huge, sweets person. That's not my advice. I am a sucker for chocolate. Yeah? I can have like, listen, I love sweets, but I can have like one or two bites and I'm satisfied. I don't need to crush

a whole cake. Now, a bag of potato chips, forget it. Colin and I are salty snackers. Game over at that point? Yeah, it's, I mean, I can't even go near them. I don't even bring them in the house. I like this from Mack Jones. I think Mac is really, he's an example

of drafting someone that fits your organization. Spurs are known for doing this. Obviously, the Patriots are known for doing this. He had a nice rookie season. I think expectations kind of started to spiral a little bit for him. But he's clearly committed to developing as a player. And I think that fits what the Patriots like to hear. Like they don't want to hear that he's off somewhere else.

He's not on the TB12, although he did. What was it? What is it, MJ10? Yeah, I think so, yeah. And it's got, and I love Joe Burrow, but like he did. J.B. something. Like everyone has taken the Brady thing. It's just been like, all right, so what are my initials and my number? And that's just my new brand. Well, you know, nothing's new. You got to do it works. I like this from Mack Jones. It fits what the Patriots do. It's the Patriots way. And he seems to be,

he seems to be the future there. I can see him to continuing to develop. Now, look, they're going to have a difference offensive coordinator this year. So we'll see how that affects him moving into year two. But I think they made the right choice with Mac Jones. Yeah, definitely. And, you know, for Mac in this perspective, it obviously makes a ton of sense. He is like Brady in the sense that he doesn't have the greatest physical traits of all time. So he really does need to maximize those edges in terms of how you approach your diet, how you approach prep, because you're never going to go out there and be the guy with the biggest arm or the fastest or any of these things. So you do need to use every edge you can get to try and make up the gap to especially someone like

Josh Allen in your division. Absolutely. Let's go back to the NBA here. Demarda Rosen. He has had a surprisingly great season, especially picking up where he's been after the All-Star break. The Bulls took a half-game lead for first place after last night's win over the Hawks. DeMarre de Rosen finished with 37 points on 15 of 21 shooting, including the go-head bucket with 15 seconds left. The 13-year NBA vet is on pace to set a new career high in scoring in his first season in Chicago. He's on an absolute tear in February.

I mean, some of these numbers are just ridiculous. He's averaging just under 36 points per game. over six rebounds, five and a half assists, shooting over 58% from the field. He's set to join Michael Jordan as the only player to average over 35 points on 55% shooting in a month in the three-point era. I mean, this has just been unbelievable.

And Colin was on this in the NBA off-season after Chicago made all these moves. He's like, I really like what Chicago's doing. And I was shaking my head going, I don't know what you're talking about. like, DeMarter Rosen's a nice player, but he's never been much of a three-point shooter. We know what Lonzo is. He's never quite lived up to the hype.

I like Zach Levine, but what has he really done? And I could not have been more wrong, which is why they pay you and Colin to talk, and I'll just, you know, stay quiet and push buttons. No, I think, look, I think the Bulls have surprised a lot of people. And the fit sometimes matters. Like, they don't have a head, they don't have one of those superstars that we're constantly talking about. And that's probably why they slide under the radar a bit. with how well their season has been going.

But, you know, Taylor mentioned it earlier. Tamar has probably a better case, honestly, for MVP at this point. Like, they are the better team as far as the standings go. Now, that could change. Obviously, there's a lot of basketball left to play. But he's having a remarkable season. And I like what the Bulls have put together. I think it's great that Chicago is viable.

That's one of those teams like the Knicks that I think the NBA is just better when they are competitive and relevant. And, you know, I don't think that they are in the championship conversation. sorry, not yet. But they're having an incredible season and they deserve a lot of credit for the moves that they've made and what they put together. Definitely. We'll wrap it up here going back to the NFL.

The chiefs are bringing back offensive coordinator, Eric Beenemy, on a one-year deal. The chiefs have reached the conference championship in all four of the seasons that Beemey has been the offensive coordinator, including two trips to the Super Bowl. If you take a look at what their offense has been under Bienami, they are averaging

over 30 points per game, over 400 yards, over 6 yards, a play. They're just under 50% on third down, which is all first in the league. Bienemy has been getting head coaching interviews, the last couple of off seasons. And in other news, the Chiefs also bringing back Matt Nagy after his run with the Bears came to an end. You know, the interesting thing with Bienemy will be, obviously a lot of people think that he should be getting a job. I think most are surprised that he hasn't up to this point. And things have been so great for the Chiefs up until this season. There was that big narrative

about is Patrick Mahomes regressing, have people figured out the offense. And so I'm going to be curious to see how people will continue to look at the enemy as a coordinator if we used to hold the chief's offense in this great esteem, and now we're in the process of constantly trying to tear them down and poke holes into how good is Mahomes? How good is the offense? Has the league figured them out? Sort of feels like that window of him being the hot candidate is kind of almost fading, but he still never got the job, but we all think he deserves it. I think it's, I'm afraid of the chiefs this year.

Yeah. I don't think that they liked being talked about the way that they were last year. Now they've got Nagy back and BNami for continuity, and obviously he is a great coordinator. And that's just what we do, right? We can't let anybody be great for too long. We got to tear him down. We've got to poke holes in it.

You can't be this good. And they showed a little this year. There was fair criticism. of the Chiefs. Now, obviously, I felt like they were always going to bounce back and figure it out because of the talent that they have. But they're kind of scary this year. I would, I would lean heavily into the Chiefs doing a lot of work this year. Look, they ran into a Cincinnati team that was on fire. They beat them twice. I don't anticipate that they're going to have the same kind of season next year that they did this year. And bringing Biena back is huge. So I think that Biena

is also waiting for the absolute right situation, as he should. He's always in the conversation. I think he will get a head coaching job. But every head coaching job is not the best situation, as we've seen. And maybe he's just waiting for the perfect one, and his reputation will eventually carry him there. That's why I am with the news. Well, that's the news.

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We talked to Jimmy Butler, Taylor, Taylor Rooks, and Ryan Rissillo earlier. And now we welcome in Emmanuel Ocho. There he is. Oh, I've never gotten a walk on camera before. Can I get the walk on? It's very exciting. It is. Thank you for joining me.

What's up, Joy? What's up? Another day in paradise, you know? Yeah. Another day talking about what Aaron Rogers is going to do. So there's a new report that he might possibly want to be the highest paid player in the league, which, you know, I don't push back on that if a guy has never been the highest paid player in the league. I like to be paid well, as do you.

Most people like to be paid for what they do, especially if you are one of like seven guys on earth that can do what you do, you want to be compensated for it. But if you've already been the highest paid player in the league, and he obviously has 51-11 state-farmes, commercials. You know, money at one point, you can only make so much, right? Like you hit a threshold where your lifestyle is not really going to change unless you become, you know, a multi-billionaire. What do you make of this report?

Do you think that this is what he wants? Or is this just another layer of the Aaron Rogers saga? I hope it is not what Aaron Rogers wants. I hope he doesn't want to be the highest paid player in the league for a couple reasons. Aaron Rogers wants are getting in the way of Aaron Rogers needs. Aaron Rogers' greed is getting in the way of Aaron Rogers. Rogers need. If you are the highest paid player in the league, Aaron Rogers, the NFL history has shown that quarterbacks that command top-tier salaries do not win Super Bowls over the last

10 years. So if you want to be the highest paid player in the league, are you really going to let that want get in the way of your need? Because Aaron Rogers, what you need is to win another Super Bowl. We're sitting here talking about Aaron Rogers and Matthew Stafford in the same breath when it comes down to Super Bowl champions. Aaron Rogers, Nick Foles, Aaron Rogers, Joe Flacco, Aaron Ronald Rogers, Russell Wilson, it does not make sense. So Aaron Rogers want of being the highest paid player in the league, if that is in fact true, we have now started to hear conflicting reports. I think it's dumb, but I think it is potentially a greater reflection of Aaron Rogers.

He's very, very smart, but he's not smart enough to realize where he is dumb. And I think the ultimate sign of intelligence is knowing that you don't know. Why do I say that? Because if you were that smart, Tom Brady took $50 million over two years, and Tom Brady won a Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers, you were invested in so many phenomenal brands. You've earned roughly $200 million in your career. The difference between a billionaire and a multi-hundred dollar millionaire really isn't all that much.

The private jets just got a little bit bigger. So I don't think it would be wise, and I think Aaron Rogers has to be mindful. Don't let greed get in the way of your need. But if he just wants to make a lot of money. Yes, but then it comes down to this, right? Like, we're not in Aaron Rogers' pocketbooks. So, Joy, you and I don't know, does Aaron Rogers have $150 million? Does he have $200 million?

Does he have $250 million? Does he have $300 million? Maybe he only has $100 million. But what you and I do know, Joy, is Aaron Rogers only has one Super Bowl ring. So we can't argue about Aaron Rogers money. But what if he doesn't care about Super Bowl rings? Oh, then why's he playing the game of football? For money?

I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Some people do some stuff just for money. Now, again, I think that goes back down to Aaron Rogers. What's his intention? I think the greatest question anybody can ever ask themselves in life in regards to anything in this life is what is your intention. If Aaron Rogers' intention is to make money, I've said this before. I know it from personal experience and I know it from personal experience of others.

You can make significantly more money outside of football than playing football. Tom Brady. Tom Brady can step away from football and make more money. Sean McVeigh. Sean McVey can step away from football and make more money. Aaron Rogers. go invest in a VC firm out in the bay, which you love anyway,

and you can make 10x what you are making as a football player. Football money is nice, but there is a whole larger world outside of money. So if his intention is to make money, then why are you playing football? If your intention is to be a Super Bowl champion, then you shouldn't want to be the highest paid. Can I give you a fun stat?

Do we have this full screen guys? I know I'm calling for it randomly. I apologize. Yeah, so your stat about the Super Bowl winning quarterback If your, here it is, if your cap hits is over 12.4%, since 2011, you're not winning a Super Bowl. The highest is 12.3, and that was Brady in 2020. Brady 12.2 in 2018, Eli Manning, I'm sorry, Peyton Manning 11.7, 2015. So, yeah, you're not winning a Super Bowl if your cap hit is that high. It's 22% now. So I don't know. I don't know how much this is, you know, we're all trying to find our way through. the Aaron Rogers maze and I get it.

We're all on the puppet strings right now. This is what we do. We're all at his mercy. But I think it's actually more beneficial for him to leave Green Bay at this point for multiple reasons. One, I think we've seen the story. So selfishly, like, I want to talk about something else. I've seen the story with Green Bay. The roster's not going to be the same. Forget what Aaron Rogers may or may not want in money.

They're up against the cap anyway. So this roster is going to be significantly different. They're strapped. And to the legacy part of it, you are now in a situation where you're the next Matthew Stafford, you're the next Tom Brady, you have this opportunity to have this new, bright, bold space to create the next chapter of your legacy. So why not go to a Denver? Why not go to Indianapolis? There are opportunities out there. I don't think San Francisco is going to do this, honestly, but I don't know, you take that call, I guess.

If I were Aaron Rogers, I would leave Green Bay. And I would leave Green Bay for several reasons, two of which you just mentioned. The model for winning Super Bowls appears to have changed. In L.A., I believe it's 2035. You and I may have had this discussion. By 2035, you must drive an electric car. You must drive an electric vehicle.

Joy Taylor, Marcellus Wiley, they are ahead of Emmanuel Lachio. They've already invested. What does that mean? That means that the way in which we now have to live with transportation is changing. In the same breath, the way in which you acquire Super Bowls

appears to be changing. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, They acquired a Super Bowl by acquiring Tom Brady, Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski, Leonard Fournett. Now, the old way to win Super Bowls, you draft and you develop talent. Old school Patriots, you got Teddy Brusky, Willie McGuinness, Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilford, Ty, Law. You draft, you develop talent. Baltimore Ravens, Ray Lewis, Ed, Reed, T, Cisle, Terrell, Suggs. You draft and you develop talent.

Nowadays, ain't no draft and develop. you just acquired real quick and see if you can win a championship. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Los Angeles Rams, Odell Beckham, Vaughn Miller, Matthew Stafford. Those were the dominant players in the Super Bowl. Obviously, you had Aaron Donald. Jalen Ramsey did not play his best game. So if I am Aaron Rogers, get out of Green Bay.

Follow the new school model, aka electric vehicles. Follow the new school model and see if you can go win a chip. You've seen other guys who are less talented than you do it. Matthew Stafford is not as talented as Aaron Roberts. Rogers. Tom Brady, just as far as individual talent is not as Aaron Rogers. So why not Aaron Rogers? So speaking of Tom Brady, and you mentioned earlier, what is your intention? I think Tom Brady is an incredibly intentional person.

Everything he's done in his career has been intentional, down to not eating strawberries and tomatoes. He doesn't eat strawberries? Yeah, he doesn't need strawberries. There's like something, some kind of inflammation thing. I think it's tomatoes. I had strawberries this morning. Okay. Yeah, I had some last night. I don't know. I'm not as committed, I don't know, but he is an intentional person. So I think that this idea that he is going to just flip and come back is nonsense. Not that you shouldn't leave the door open because speaking in absolutes is not smart, but he's an intentional guy.

He didn't make this decision on a whim. He did not. However, Joy, you and I know football far too well to be ignorant to the aspect that Tom Brady could very much so make a return. turn. Why do I say so? And I don't think that he will. But if the opportunity presented itself, San Francisco 49ers, where you have a team that is capable of winning right now, a roster that can win right now in a state in which you want to live in a city in which you want to play, do you at least consider it? Now, the Bucks still own the rights, but Tom Brady is Tom Brady. A, B, A, A, B, let's make a quick trade. Shoot me over to San Fran. Let's see what we can do.

but if you're Tom Brady, I would not come back personally because the more Tom Brady plays, the more he dilutes his legacy and his legacy is as potently strong as anybody in the history of any American sport ever. But it's possible.

I think it's 1% possible, meaning I don't think it's going to happen. But 1% so that nobody comes for me. I just don't think he's going to do that. And for the legacy part of it, what you mentioned. Like he has a cemented legacy. He is Tom Brady.

him coming back to me would be kind of disappointing. Plus, also, I've mourned him. You know what I mean? Joy, I don't think Tom Brady cares about you in this decision. Can you hang for another segment or you got to get ready for your show? I can hang. I don't want to steal all your takes. No, it's fine.

It's fine. They knew we were going to do this. We had something prepared and they're like, yeah, he's probably going to say another segment. So we will continue this Tom Brady conversation. And I want to ask you about some of the NBA storylines as well when we come back on the herd, Emmanuel Lachio. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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We have a manual Acho in studio with us. Speak for yourself coming up next. So I spoke to Jimmy Butler earlier Which as you know is a thrill for me Because I'm Miami Heat fan And you know he has big face coffee And he said he drinks nine to ten cups of coffee a day By the way my brother text me back

He did have an espresso machine in his locker Which is extremely on brand But do you drink coffee? So I deny my coffee obsession True story I never drank coffee Because I didn't want to get addicted And I don't like having an addictive personality but I moved to L.A.

and people start ordering oak milk, vanilla lattes with oak milk. I guess that's coffee. I didn't know that was coffee. I just thought it was a drink. So technically I do drink coffee. Because you drink vanilla.

You know that is actually coffee. It doesn't say coffee in it. I thought coffee was coffee. It is coffee. It's just a way to make coffee. Okay. Well, they should describe that better. Just to protect people who don't want to drink coffee.

So you do drink coffee. Apparently. Okay. Nine to ten cups of coffee a day is. It's excessive. You know, when we've been talking about it all day in the studio, I don't think it is actually that obsessive. I'm from Pittsburgh, and I know for a fact that my aunt drinks at least six cups of coffee a day

because she makes a pot of coffee every day. You're only supposed to drink eight cups of water a day. So if you're drinking nine to ten cups of coffee. Oh, Lord. It's not how that works. No. All right. Well, we're here in Los Angeles, where apparently you've become addicted to coffee.

which is fine. You're going to be all right. It's not that bad for you. And the Lakers are, there's stories coming in from everywhere. Everyone's, it feels like trying to kind of Game of Thrones position themselves. And I feel like they could just use a nice dose of accountability, you know, just some transparency. I think it would settle things down. It just feels a little outrageous, especially considering the expectations that should have been in place for this team coming into the season with the oldest roster in the league. Now there's talk of LeBron. It's not going to be here next year.

floated theories if they trade LeBron next year. You know, he talks about wanting to play with Brony. It's kind of a mess. There's no fix roster-wise, because they didn't do anything at the trade deadline. But what do you do if you're in charge of the Lakers? Ooh. Whoever that person is outside of Jeannie Bus that's in charge of the Lakers,

because we really don't know. That is a loaded question. Pray. I think there's some sort of divine intervention that would be needed. Realistically, here's a problem. And I said this yesterday. The problem is LeBron James. he messed things up. LeBron James, the general manager. He has undermined all of the success

and the work of LeBron James, the player. The pivotal error that LeBron James made, the most pivotal error, maybe of his L.A. tenure was believing Anthony Davis was a capable robin to LeBron James Batman. So most pivotal error. And here's a problem. When you get Anthony, first year, no Anthony Davis, Braun gets hurt, doesn't make the playoffs. What? LeBron doesn't even make the playoffs? How does that happen? Nine straight finals appearances? So then you have Anthony Davis the second year and you win. But you win in a bubble year. So now you don't realize that Anthony Davis can't stay healthy throughout the duration of the season. Positive reinforcement to a bad action. Joy, I say it like this. You seem like you might have been a bully growing up.

So Joy, when you're cracking on somebody in class, you make a joke, you make fun of Emmanuel's lack of style and everybody laughs. That's positive reinforcement to a bad action. Anthony Davis. They win the chip, positive reinforcement, bad action. So now LeBron continues to rely on Anthony Davis, but Anthony Davis is the most unreliable Robin in the league. So what can the Lakers actually do besides completely reinventing the roster? Nothing.

Russell Westbrook's not going to learn how to shoot from three all of a sudden. Anthony Davis isn't going to learn how to stay healthy all of a sudden. And LeBron James can only do so much. Dwight Howard can't get any younger. Carmelo can't get any younger. THT, what's he going to do? Turn into a perennial all-star overnight. It's just realistically, LeBron James made his bed,

and he has to lie in it, and it's not our job to try to figure out how to make it more comfortable. Well, I would agree with you on the fact that Anthony Davis is injury-prone. I wouldn't agree that it was a mistake because they won a championship, so you have to consider that.

I feel like the Lakers have become Hollywood. They're a blockbuster, a movie that was supposed to be a blockbuster movie with a bunch of stars and highly promoted. And the first one was a smash hit. So they did a sequel and the expectations for it were unrealistic because it was a bit of a different cast. And now everyone's freaking out and trying to blame everybody and they're bringing up

stories about how the set was dysfunctional and this person wasn't supposed to hire. This person was supposed to be this person that was cast. And it's just out of control where I don't even think that this should be the expectations for this team. Like it could be more measured. I understand. It's LeBron James. You're going to have the biggest microscope. Of course. But there's plenty of blame to go around. It's not just on LeBron James.

To who? To everyone. Who are you giving it to? I'm applying blame to LeBron James. I'm applying it to Clutch. I'm applying it to Rob Polinka. I'm applying it to the way that the Lakers are structured in that they rely on certain, you know, former Lakers and influences to make decisions. Overall is a business.

The Lakers are great. That is a booming business. It's not that. I just think that the narrative around it has become inflated. Like, well, you talk to Lakers fans. Lakers fans talk to me all the time. What's wrong? What's wrong?

Anthony Davis is missing. He can't play. How are you going to evaluate this team as a championship level team without your number two star? But here's my biggest issue. You cannot get mad at somebody for being exactly who they were supposed to be. They've been doing that to Russell Westbrook all season. You knew Anthony Davis was going to be hurt and you knew Russell Westbrook couldn't shoot. And LeBron James gets what LeBron James wants.

So the buck has to stop with. LeBron James. I can't be mad at Polinka. I can't be mad at Clutch. I'm looking at LeBron like, you constructed this roster. It's John, you, big dog. LeBron also came here and brought you a championship.

That's the poison that you take when you bring LeBron. You know he's going to have influence over that. I will never slight LeBron James. But like I say with the Boston Celtics Big Three, are we going to look at that one championship and be like, well, that was enough? I think LeBron James could have won more than one championship with this Lakers roster,

particularly looking at the Bucks won last year, Joy. Like, there are champions up for the taking. I don't know if it's that easy. No, no, of course not. But they won a championship. So thank you for hanging out. Are you going to hang another one? I think I'm going to try to hang into a cool little walkover.

You're just going to chill? I mean, I'm going to try it. All right. Well, thanks for hanging out with us today. Calms out. He will be back on Monday. Hope you guys have a great weekends. Appreciate it.

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