The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Lamar Jackson, Aaron Judge

Episode Date: September 29, 2022

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Super Bowl champ joining us live. You know, I look at Baltimore right now, and Harbaugh's done a great job leaning in to what Lamar does, also simultaneously elevating him. Lamar gets better every year. So you dealt with John on the defensive side, but I think when you have a wildly dynamic talent like Lamar. It's not only about making him better, but kind of leaning into what he does. And sometimes Torella coach has to get uncomfortable and say, all right, I've never seen this.

I'm going to lean into this. Give me some of the secret sauce of Harbaugh. What connected with you and your past history with him? Well, I must say at the beginning, there was a period of adjustment because we had kind of a reputation, and

we were kind of like the bad boys of the league, and he wanted to clean us up. you know what I mean and we was like whoa you know we only know one way to play right you know I'm saying but um through time you know he he came to accept us for who we are just like you said you know let me lean into this let me feed off this is who we are you know what I mean we were a physical we were a rough team you know what I mean and uh once we are we accepted everybody's personalities so to say everything started clicking and we started winning a lot of games so yeah yeah I heard this from Ed Reed the other day, who's probably, you know, he or Ronnie Lott are the best safeties ever.

So when Ed talks people listen, and Ed said something, and I didn't love it because I've heard this before from running quarterback. He said, you know, it's a business. You've got to take care of yourself. And I think, time out. When Kyler took care of himself in the playoff game and wouldn't run, it blew up the whole franchise. The whole offseason was a mess. and I'm like, I don't want Lamar thinking, hey, man, I'm not going to run. I'm like, no, no, no.

Just do what you do. You will get paid. Even if he got hurt. He got hurt last year, I'd still pay him. I know it's a business, per se, Terrell. But when I heard that from Ed Lee, Ed Reed, I thought, I don't love that, that a player should be thinking about not getting hurt. How did it land for you?

I didn't like it either. But, you know, like you said, when every speech, people are going to listen. You know what I mean? I don't think Lamar, if you think you're going to get hurt, you're going to get hurt. You can't play cautious, not in this game. You know, you can't be gun-shy. He's got to play his game. But, you know, some of what Air Reese did say was accurate. He does need to be smart. You know what I mean? Don't go and try to take on linebackers when you don't have to, you know what I mean? And I think Lamar's done a good job of adjusting his game. He's not playing cautious, you know what I'm saying? So I get what

Ed Reed was trying to say, but, you know, you got also got to understand the city of Baltimore, the fans, they really pour their heart into their team and to their players. And they'll sense if you being little, oh, it's my contract year, being a little shy and not really plan to, you know, your capabilities because you're in a contract year. You know, they'll feel that and you'll start to lose them, man. And I don't think, you know, Lamar got that kind of character to where he's going to be gun shy and play cautious. But Ozzy Newsom told me, says if you think you're going to get hurt, you're going to get hurt.

You can't be gunshot. So I don't think it's going to change this game. You played in the AFC forever for the Ravens and briefly for the Chiefs. You don't have a lot of NFC stuff where Russell Wilson is. But it's funny about Russell Wilson. The other night, finally in his third game, end of the game, he's like, okay, I'm just going to do me. I'm going to run around. I'm going to do me.

And I said, I defended Russell. I said, listen, I think he's trying to run the offense. that Nathaniel Hackett brought from Green Bay. Exactly. And then finally said, hey, bro, I'm just going to do me. I don't think he's a shot fighter. A lot of people are telling me Russell Wilson's a shot fighter. What do you see?

I think he's definitely, he's trying to make it work, you know what I'm saying, doing it their way. You know, when you first get into a new relationship, you're hiding your true cells from each other. You know what I'm saying? You're trying to, he's like, oh, okay, yeah, you know, you're playing nice. You know what I mean, so to say. But he's getting a lot of heat for it because, you know, we're not seeing all the high-flying touchdowns and everything.

It's not what we expected early on. But, you know, with three games in, who knows, like, what's going to happen the rest of the season and the rest of his time there. So I think we just need to give, you know, Russell some time. He's been great in the league, you know, his whole career. So it's like right now it's just like, oh, Russell was he didn't deserve his contract. And it's like, it's early. with three games in.

Calm down. For the record, there are now, due to Russell Wilson, you're getting quarterbacks who are 5-11, 5-10, Kyler. Two is not a real. And I think Russell's success has opened the door for other quarterbacks to get drafted, Johnny Mansell. Yeah. But it is interesting.

A lot of these guys, I was told years ago from a player in the NFL who I have great respect for, he's still in the league, that he goes, hey, I can tell you, Kyla doesn't like to get hit. I've been on the field with him. And I look at Tua, and he's already banged up in week three, and he got hit one time. When you played a quarterback who maybe was a little smaller in stature, did you think I can intimidate him more? Is there, did you look at different quarterbacks when you prepared for a game differently based on side? Like Josh Allen, 6'6 can run around.

You may be totally different. What do you make of Tua, his size, his injury history? Would it change how you play? Like you said, you know, Russell Wilson's kind of open up the door for the smaller quarterback. But, you know, we played in a different time. We were allowed to hit quarterbacks back in those days. If you got a good shot on one, you took it. And you definitely try to knock them out of the game, you know what I mean?

Sure. So you definitely try to open up on a smaller one. especially if they're injury prone. You were a teammate briefly with Patrick Mahomes, weren't you? Briefly? Yeah, yeah, briefly. Got a ring out of the deal. Did you know, I mean, you knew first practice he was great, right?

I mean, there was no question. Had you ever seen anything quite like it? Not really. Like, it just seems like the game was really slow. for him. Like, he could just really anticipate stuff. And, like, I was just like, you know, when you're not on the team with him, you kind of like, oh, he's good. I wonder how much is it, like scheme and personnel and Andy Reed. But then when I got on the team and I was just like, oh, he's that deal. He's that deal. I remember when I first got there, when I first got there,

Matthew Judon called me and was like, what's up, Sizzle? What's he really like? I was like, dude can play. Dude's really that deal. So it's not, it's not a myth. It's not fiction. The Duke play. You know, it is interesting. When I saw Eric Biennamy and him kind of argue, Biennemy's reputation is he's pretty intense. He's a pretty intense guy.

Do you worry at all? Because last year, in that playoff game with Cincinnati, Mark Schlerler told a story where they may have had a little bit of a battle. I don't remember exactly. But do you, Patrick's pretty playful and fun and joyful guy, easygoing. And Bienermy, as you probably know now, is pretty intense guy. Do you worry about that relationship at all?

No, I don't worry about that at all. For the simple fact that they've had so much success together that they, you know, it's probably just, you get into it with your coworkers sometime. You know what I mean? And it's like we're all working towards the same thing. We're all trying to win. You know, we can have a disagreement on the sideline

and it's not the end of the world. You know what I mean? We'll go back, we'll go back to the film room and you can be like, you know what? you were right in this situation, I was wrong, or vice versa. You know what I mean? I heard a quote recently, and it stuck with me. They said, always keep in mind when you're in the discussion with someone

that the other person may be right. So just keep that in mind. But I think there's nothing to worry about that. I think they're going to get back to winning. You know what I mean? So I don't think it's a big deal. All right. Terrell sucks.

What a pleasure to see you. I watched you were the one of the great, and what did I say this morning in the meeting? You were the last great, great player Arizona State had. I love that you're bouncing around here on FS1 on the shows. You had an absolutely legendary career. And thanks for coming on my show today. I'd love to have you on again.

Thank you, man. I appreciate you, Colleen. Anytime. All right. Terrell Suggs, who was a great, great football player. First year in the league, it was like, boom. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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Justin, they're really great players. Ray Lewis. Imagine that defense. T-Sizzle, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed. That's a nasty defense. Every layer. Boom, boom, boom, boom. They were so good for like a decade, yeah.

Yeah, and you go back to the Dilfer championship team. Is that the Dilfer championship team or the defensive championship team? Well, they had Christmas Callister. was also a great corner from Arizona. Now, I did, I mix up years on this because the Ravens have been so good for so long. There's multiple Super Bowls, multiple, you know, multiple teams, players in and out. But when I think of Baltimore, I just think tough. Yeah.

That's what they're going to hit you coming over the middle. Nope. Nothing easy. Ray Lewis just drilling guys. That is their culture. Yeah. Tough. Now, Kansas City, they're not.

When I think of Kansas City, I think of offense. Len Dawson. Patrick Mahal. You think of Len Dawson? No, I mean, but no, I'm just saying. When I think of Kansas City, they did have a tough team. Remember they had the Willie Rove teams. They had Hank Stram and Willie.

I think Willie Lanier was a linebacker. But when I think of Hank Stram was a very creative guy, I've always thought of Kansas City, for some reason, offense. San Francisco to me, I always think offense. Now I shouldn't because the defense now is better than the offense. That's great. When I say Packers, what are you? you think of? I think quarterback. I think

quarterback. I think that's another fun game to play. Match the team with the word that's symbolizes them. I think Baltimore's pivoted away from tough to Lamar Jackson. That's like when you think of the Ravens, you think of Lamar Jackson. Yeah. What do you think of when I say like Cleveland Browns?

Losing. No, I mean, that's what I think. Is that not a cheap shot? No, that's fair. I was going to say the trenches. Because they really have built up the trenches well. They got the best run game in the league by a mile. So when I say Cleveland Brown, you think of trenches. No, I probably think of losing as well. I think of ditches. They've driven off into the ditch again. Seattle Seahawks.

Fans. Oof, that's brutal. 12th man. New York Giants. Boring. No, even when they win Super Bowls, they're boring. They're the accounting for... Detroit Lions. Chaos. Oof, I thought you're going to go losing again. New England Patriots.

Efficient. This is a fun game. Yeah, not talent. I never thought New England had. I thought there was a Randy Moss team in there that was really talented. But I never thought they were the most talented team. I thought they were more talented than Atlanta. I didn't think they had as much talent as Seattle the year they beat him.

I thought Seattle had more talent. Yeah. New York Jets. You know, I'd have to, New York Jets. Utility? They have the longest, no playoff streak in the league. Yeah, but I don't think of the Jets like I think of Detroit, like I think of Cleveland. I've seen the Jets.

Not that far. Rex Ryan teams were really good. Back-to-back AFC title games. Yeah, like I don't think of the Jets like that. They've had a bad decade. Yeah. I mean, listen, the Lakers have had bad stretches. The Yankees in the 80s.

Like, good or... The Yankees were putrid. And they had Don Mattingly, who was like my favorite player growing up. USC football pre-Lincoln Riley was pretty lean for about eight years, wasn't it? Seven, eight years? I mean, like, good brands can have... By the way, if you go back to the Packers pre-Farve, it was like Lynn Dickey.

I can remember. Again, this is fuzzy memory. But when I was young growing up, George Allen coach Washington, Tom Landry coach Dallas, and however young I was, they felt big. Even the Rams had, they were on TV a lot. I can remember growing up, not remember, the Packers weren't on television. Because back then you didn't have obviously cable. I mean, you may have had cable, but they didn't have the NFL.

So the teams they showed when I was young, I can remember being on the phone with my best friend when I was a kid. Jack Jones was his name. He now lives in Shahilis, Washington, blah, blah, blah. And his favorite team was the Rams. Mine was Washington.

And you got like the Steelers were always on TV. The Dolphins were, the Raiders were, Washington was, Dallas was, I don't remember the Packers being on TV a lot. They may have been, I don't remember them. And then Farb and Rogers have given them this 20 years of networks fight over their games. The Yankees in the 80s, the Packers, for long stretches. So great brands

can disappear. I grew up in the Northeast and all we would get was a heavy dose of the NFC East. All the Dallas games, New York Giants, when they were good with Sims and Parcells, some Eagles, but mostly it was, all I remember is the New York Giants just always crushing people. Yeah. For Spala, oh, no, no, no,

Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Let's quickly go to the NBA. Ben Simmons is healthy, ready to make his debut with the Nets. Apparently he did a podcast with J.J. Redick recently. I've had a bunch of people tell me to listen to it. I have not yet. Apparently Simmons comes off as like a nice guy. He's actually playing in practice this

week, Colin. Huge steps. Steve Nash is happy with what he's seen from Simmons, and he thinks he's going to fit with the team. I think Ben's just an incredible playmaker size, speed, ability, unselfishness. It's always looking to get guys open. Great fit for Kevin Kai. Oh, by the way, he should be a great fit for KD. This guy was the number one overall pick. Yeah. First of all, great long defender, great distributor. Yeah. He should, if he can get his mental's right, he should be a great fit with Kevin Durant and

Kyrie, because Kyrie at the guard spot plays no defense. Is anybody a good fit with Kyrie Irving? All I know is this. If one of your guards is not a good defender, Steph Curry, the other guy, Clay is, you got to have, by the way, that was Portland. C.J. McCollum, great guy and Damon. They're both great offensive players, not defense. Teams attack it.

Simmons should cover up a lot of the defensive limitations with Kaii McAllum. I'll put up with the Jets slander, but no slander on Steph Curry being a bad defender. He's a good to average defender. Let's go there. Let's lean to average. Okay. All right. All right.

Next up, Cowardt. Carson Wentz had a brutal performance in the commander's blowout loss to the Eagles. Sacked nine times, completed 58% of his passes for 211 yards. And he fumbled. Ron Rivera expecting Wenz to bounce back against Dallas this weekend. I'm not worried about Carson. Carson's going to bounce back. He's a very resilient young man.

And I love his press conference accepting responsibility. I mean, you know, and he put it on himself and he tried to make sure everybody understand that, you know, this is a team game. We're all culpable and I don't disagree with them. We are all culpable, myself included. But, you know, there is a sense of urgency. There is a got to have it, a got to go out and get it done type of mentality. I mean, it was the same thing last week. We wanted it.

I mean, we work to do it. And we're going to do it every week that way. It just sometimes it doesn't work your way. You considering the Cowboys in the Blazoned 5? I'll just be careful. You know the market, right? Buying high on Dallas. After a Monday night win.

A rivalry game. Washington looked putrid, unbettable. Just be careful on Dallas this weekend, guys. That's all I'll say. And wrapping up to a tongue of Iloa. Questionable with back and ankle injuries heading into tonight's game. We still haven't had official word yet on. He's going to participate.

He's going to play. He's not 100 percent, but he's going to play. You know he's going to play. right? We'll see. Jalen Waddle also questionable. Listen, this is a beat-up Dolphins team. Excuse me. No, it's not. It's a normal NFL team. The bills are beat up. I don't want to hear any excuses for

two of tonight. Oh, he's missing one of his 13 brilliant receivers. Not good enough. Win the game, short week. According to Fox bet, the Bengals are favored by three and a half points tonight. This was two and a half on Sunday. Already bet it. You missed the best number. No, no, no, I didn't. I've got my people working for me. Give me a score. 31 20

Bengals I go 3423 Bengals. Primetime unders are 8 and 2 this season I think this is a high scoring game. Dolphins just kind of roll over here in a bad spot. Okay. Deck is stacked against you a little. Short week, beat up defense. Go win the game. You're out here making excuses. Mike McDaniel in his first Thursday night games, after he put

everything, all his priority last week was Buffalo. He was totally focused on that game. They could get blown out tonight. They will get blown out tonight. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my

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Tom Verducci, four-time Emmy Award winner, Baseball 30 years. Whenever we talk baseball, we bring Tom on. He's a humble guy and probably very bashfully. He doesn't like me here saying that stuff. But here we go. So, we all know Aaron Judge is great. How to other play plays? years view him. You're around batting cages all the time. When you go to a game that doesn't include

Judge, do people ask you about him? What do they think of Aaron Judge? Well, they're in awe of him, Colin, from a physical standpoint, 67, 282, he literally hits the ball harder than everybody else. So just you start there that he's physically just an outlier in this game. But I think what they love about Aaron Judge is he really is a humble guy. You talk about outside skills and minimum ego. He is a total team player. It sounds like a cliche, but it really is. And I think actually in the last week and a half, he's had a little bit of a difficulty having the camera and the spotlight on him without the score of the game mattering. So obviously he got by that last night with home run 61, but players around the game, you can see when they, when he's on base and they're chatting with

him, he's approachable. Yet at the same time, he's unlike anybody else. Yeah, some guys, Reggie Jackson loved the attention as a home run hitter. Sammy Sosa loved the attention. Mark McGuire was very reticent. Mark didn't want the cameras. Judge is a guy that doesn't want the cameras. It's interesting with the Yankees, though, you know, between John Carlos Stanton and Judge, it's a lot of power. But they made a, they got rid of a pitcher at the deadline, a setup guy, King got hurt. So I don't follow baseball closely enough to know the ins and outs of their staff. Jason McIntyre said Dodgers, Yankees, it feels like it's the world series. And I'm like, I don't know, what about Houston?

Are they a favorite to get to the series? How do you view them today? I know they can hit for power, that I know. Yeah, the Dodgers I'll give you are the favorite because, I mean, let's say, face it, they've had an unbelievable season. They have home field throughout. So I start with the Dodgers. American League side, I'm not overlooking the Houston Astros.

And here's why. The Yankees are going to win in the postseason the way they do in the regular season. They hit a lot of home runs. And I know a lot of people think small ball wins in October. Uh-uh. Did you see the Braves last year? 71% of their runs in the World Series were on home runs. So you're not stringing together four or five hits in today's game

in a postseason against good pitching. You change the game with one swing. The Yankees do that. The catch here is that to neutralize the Yankees, when you think about those guys you mentioned, Stanton, Torres, Dons, and Judge, you need right-handed power pitching. And guess what?

The Houston Astros have more of that than anybody else. Yeah. This year, the Astros right-handed pitchers against the Yankee lineup I've held them to a 159 batting. Wow. I mean, it's not just the rotation. You know, obviously Verlander and Christian Javier, great stuff, Luis Garcia. But look at their bullpen.

This guy's got power stuff from the right side. So I think matchup-wise, especially home field in Houston, and we're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit here. I understand that. But the Astros are a nightmare matchup for New York. By the way, National League playoffs, World Series on Fox. It starts October 11, folks. It's right around the corner.

So I want to go, I want to pivot back to Judge. I mean, good God. Babe Ruth, Mickey, man. I mean, it goes on and on. It's, there's nothing that really compares to it. Where does this put him? I mean, does it, I mean, where do you put him now in this pantheon of Yankee greats? Aaron, Judge.

Well, I think he's in, if not that inner circle, pretty darn close. Put it this way. I don't think anyone else will ever wear number number nine. 99 for the New York Yankees. I think he's that important to the franchise at this point, even if he signed somewhere else in the offseason. I mean, he's got more home runs as the Yankee than Roger Maris or Reggie Jackson or Paul O'Neill and a lot of other guys whose numbers have retired there.

Think about when they gave LaTroix Hawkins number 21 for Paul O'Neill. I mean, how do the Yankees give away 99 if Aaron Judge leaves? He's the greatest home run slugger. The Yankees have developed since Mickey Mantle. This is the second time he's hit more than 50 home runs and he's approaching what will be. American League record. And by the way, the Triple Crown. By the way, it's the first time we've mentioned Triple Crown in the context of,

oh, by the way. It's incredible what he's doing. So I do think he's among Yankee legends, yes, because of the numbers he's put up, because of how big he is and how popular he is. There's nobody who sells more jerseys in Major League Baseball these days than Aaron Judge. Yeah. Now, that, you know, like, again, Mike Trout's quiet. He's the second team in L.A. down in Orange County.

There are certain players. I mean, I do feel like he's become sort of the Mahomes, the LeBron, where there's a Paul Bunyan. We like our stars to be big and powerful. And that's why I've always argued, Steph Curry doesn't get the love he deserves. He's not overpowering. He doesn't dunk on you. Judge is like Paul Bunyan. And I don't remember, I don't know if he was a dominant college player.

Seven years ago, did you know Aaron Judge was going to be this? No, I mean, listen, if you saw him as rookie season colony, he hit 179. he struck out literally once every other at bat. Wow. I mean, he looked overmatched. And he told me a great story, Colin. After that season, then he set the rookie home run record the next year because what he did is he totally revamped his swing that offseason.

From that day on, before every game, he would write inside his spikes 179 to remember how hard this game is. So you're not talking about somebody who right out of the gate was just a short fire lockdown Hall of Famer. No, there's a lot of failure early on. He was a good college player. What the Yankees loved about him was at Fresno State. He played center field.

The athleticism, I think, really separates him from a lot of other big guys that have played this game. There's been nobody this size playing Major League Baseball who hit home runs like this. And, by the way, steals 16 bags, plays gold glove defense. He plays center field. So, no, I don't think you saw this coming with Judge, maybe after that rookie season. But he's a classic example of a guy who got better on the big league level. Isn't that crazy? You know, I was trying to think of Dave Winfield was big, right?

Like Dave Winfield looked, I can remember watching Winfield and thinking, he looked bigger than all the other players on the field, but he wasn't as thick. You, of course, remember Dave Parker with the Pittsburgh Pirates. That's another guy that was like a football player playing, but I don't judge just fills a uniform out. Like, I don't even know what compares. I mean, seriously, is there 280?

What does compare? No, there's, I mean, literally you can't find anybody can play center field and run like this, by the way. And there's something about Judge that nothing is ever rushed. If you watch him play right field, he's got this clock in his head. And they say this about all the great ones, right? The game seems to slow down for them. He's never in a hurry.

Even in this last week when he was looking for 61, Colin, he wasn't going outside of the strike zone. He wasn't getting anxious. He was taking his walks, the same approach at the plate. I'm sure he wanted it to end. He's got his mom. following him. He's got the Maris family following him, but it didn't creep into the batters box with him. He's just got a very calm way about him. Like I always say, he's got the perfect

idol. His engine is set at the perfect idol to play what really is a very tough, long, grueling season, major league baseball. Okay, October 11th, which I think next Tuesday, World Series on Fox, National League playoffs start. The great Tom Verduci, congrats to Aaron Judge, a total class act. Good scene again, Tom. Always a pleasure, Colin. Thanks. You bet. His size is immense. Stanford to play tight end. They wanted Aaron Judge to be a tight end in college football.

He's just such a nice, humble guy. Yeah. Great story. He's a great story. Humble. You know, our show, we need to be more humble. Ryan, don't you think so? J-Mack brings that confident edge.

I've got to keep my eye on him. He's very confident. What on earth does that even mean? I don't. Is it the Packers? Is that the stuff, this dust up we have over the Packers? No, we don't have a dust up over the Packers. I just, I don't know how you can watch in a weapons league, a team that doesn't have a one.

And I'm going to argue, I'm not sure they have a two. I think Alan Lazzard's a great three. What about Romeo Dubs? He was playing for the Nevada, Dobbs. He was planned for the Nevada Wolfpack an hour ago. Yeah, I pictured his name on purpose. Thank you. Well, I mean, he was planning a small, I think he'll be good.

But by the way, in the second half, why when Aaron throwed him as much? but it's off script and you have to trust guys to get open, why didn't Aaron throw in the second half as much? Can we pivot off the Packers for a sec? Have you seen this news that James Winston's kind of injured, not practicing, and Andy Dalton may get to start in London against Kirk Couss? You want to talk about that?

I definitely do, yeah. That's a story we bury on this show. We try to find ways not to talk about Andy Dalton. You don't want to talk about Andy Dalton? That's your best nickname ever. Go ahead. Fire away. Well, America called him the red rifle.

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