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IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. This is very interesting. I can tell you're super deep into something. You haven't said it out loud yet, but you've been mega-focused. So, Joy and I have been going back and forth on this. If something seems weird, It's weird. I used to have a neighbor.

I can say the city. It was Portland. And I always thought he's weird. He did things as a neighbor that I thought were weird and not normal. And what does normal mean? I don't know. He was weird. And I later found out, he is weird.

Yeah, he's weird. So, and I've said this, good kids can come from bad parents. Bad kids can come from good parents. Crazy kids come from crazy parents, always. There are some things, if things look off, they are off. Don't outthink the room. And so Joy and I have been on this thing with the 49ers. It's just weird.

You gave up nothing for Garoppolo. He took it to the Super Bowl. Move on. They won't. They won't. There was the weird Mac Jones, Trey Lance, stories leaked. And then it was Mac Jones for sure, like from legitimate, media people. Mack Jones going to the Niners. And the last second, it was Tray Lance. And they gave

him a bunch of picks. We were like, whoa. So I'm just going to tell you, this is very interesting. So this has been one of these situations where, you know, where there's smoke, there's fire. If something looks odd, it is odd. And I've told the story years ago. I'm not going to bore you with this story. I've told it three or four times. Years ago when I was young, I was in Las Vegas, and I was dating a girl, and she took me to a party. And I walked into the party, and I'm kind of a square. Well, not kind of. I am. And something didn't feel right. There were a lot of handlebar moustaches and velour shirts. And I had this feeling, sinister activity is about to ensue. something didn't feel right left the party i remember it was on spring mountain road left the party

two hours later major drug bust so i remember walking in and i was just like not my crowd something i just this is a little slick for me so about 30 minutes in i'm like yeah i'm gonna you know like cops news blah blah blah so um here's the story story. The Niners story is weird. Why are they doing what they're doing? According to Matt Lombardo, national NFL reporter, the 49er staff has been, quote, continually underwhelmed by Trey Lance. I mean, all the signs pointed to it. Yeah. So here's the thing, is that obviously every time Kyle Shanahan is the quarterback, the quarterback, the quarterbacks are better. Matt Ryan had an MVP year. Garapolo, who most of you don't like, got to a Super Bowl. I think it was Matt Schaub. He got to a Pro Bowl. I could be wrong. The Virginia quarterback, Matt Schaub.

So we know he's good with quarterbacks. He wanted reportedly Mack Jones, the New England guy. I thought he was, because Shanahan's thing is, I don't need a superstar quarterback. I need accurate, smart, competent, get me in and out of stuff, blah, blah, blah. There's a lot of people that are telling you, Lynch and the scouting staff like Trey Lance, way more. Shanahan wanted Mac. That's been reported on more than one like legitimate media person. So this would explain a lot. So I've watched Trey Lance play twice. We saw him in college,

but he played for a run dominant college program at a lower level. That's a fact. And so he was not like the centerpiece. They didn't ask him to do a lot. He was kind of playing for the Alabama of his division of football. Now, what does that mean? Like Alabama quarterbacks, a lot of time to throw, very comfortable pocket,

your players are better than their players. That's the opposite of the NFL. You're always under duress. You're always getting hit. You've got to elevate people to be a star quarterback. But Alabama quarterbacks have kind of struggled in the NFL because they have the best protection, the best receivers, the best coach, the best defense.

And so Trey played at that kind of program at a lower level. So he hasn't played much. There's a scarcity of games. He's just not played a lot of games. And so my take, I kind of met the kid. I liked him. He really passed the eyeball test. Big athlete, nice kid, deals well socially with people, can kind of balance it, can feel the room.

But I watched him play last year, and I hate his throwing motion. It is hard to watch. It's clunky. He does drive the ball down the field. The aesthetics of it drive me nuts. Now, there have been good quarterbacks. Philip Rivers is the most notable who aren't, it doesn't look pretty. It doesn't look great.

But most great quarterbacks. Peyton Manning threw a ball that he never threw a spiral. But most of the great quarterbacks in my life, the Joe Montana's, the Brady's, the Dan Fouts, the Troy Aikman's, it looks damn pretty. I mean, it looks good. Not a lot of sidearm baseball pitchers in the history of the sport winning Cy Youngs. It looks like Clayton Kershaw. It looks like Sandy Kofax. It looked like Bob Gibson.

It looks like Matt Scherzer. It looks like Justin Verlander. Big dude, drives through the legs, repetitive motion. not quirky overpower. Kurt Schilling. It all kind of looks good. 99% of quarterbacks in league history, the ball looks, the wind up, it looks good. Optically, Trey's game, not pretty. So I have to get past that because it is possible for that not to be great. But this story is interesting. It explains potentially a lot. The Niners staff has been continually underwhelmed by Trey Lance. It's something. I'm just

saying this story felt back to my original premise it just felt weird there's too many my takeaway was if you bought a used car and you paid 3,000 for it and you drove it for three years like who gives a rip what you get in return you stole the thing you'd pay that much or more for Uber you know like they got Garoppolo for a second round pick from No England. He won 70% of his games. He went to Green Bay and beat he beat Aaron Rogers, I think, three times.

You got unbelievable value out of Jimmy Garoppolo. Whether he's great or not, you stole him. I mean, good God, Tyreek Hill just went for five draft picks. He got a quarterback in the Super Bowl for one. So just move him. Get up, free the camp space and go get a guard in a seventh round pick. the Niners Interior O'Line.

And John Lynch is a friend of mine. He's a good GM, but he's had some misses. So I wouldn't take a draft pick for him. You already stole him as a draft pick. Just go to a team that's got some depth at corner. Go get a second corner. They just acquired a corner from Kansas City, so they'll be better at corner.

And their best corner got healthy at the end of last year. Go get a third corner and a seventh round pick. Go get a starting right guard to go with your tackles who I like, I especially like Trent Williams. But like, what are you doing? like why are you keeping them around? And I think you're keeping them around because they look at this division and think we got Kyler Murray twice a year.

We got the Rams twice a year. Well, we're going to keep Jimmy G around a little bit. We're not sure how this thing is going to work out. And it should be noted, whether or not Kyle Shanahan is a great evaluator of talent before he has it, that's a different story. Belichick can't draft. But there is no question. that Kyle Shanahan, once you're in the building, will elevate you a quarterback.

He knows the position. He knows offense. I mean, McVeigh, Sean McVeigh will tell you privately. Matt LaFleur, Packer coach, will tell you privately. Because those are like the three musketeers, right? McVeigh, Shanahan, and LaFleur, we're all in Washington together. And they're good buddies. Lefleur and McVe will tell you privately.

Shanahan's the genius. He's the guy. Now, McVeigh is the culture builder. Lefleur is a little of both. He's very good with the schemes, not quite Shanahan. Good with a culture. Not quite McVey. But he's a good coach, I think.

But McVeigh is the rock star in the room. I mean, you put him on television. He's just big. He just players love him. Shanan's a little darker, a little quieter. Players like him too, but he's the genius. He is like the math whiz. He's Belichick on defense.

He makes everybody great. Elijah Mitchell's a star at running back out of the sixth round. No knock on Elijah, but not surprising he does that. So if he's got Traylant and he's struggling, there's a problem because he elevates everybody. So I'm just saying if stuff looks weird, a lot of times it's weird. Matt Lombardo. Okay.

Man, oh man alive. Sorry, I was distracted there, Alex. I get to. No, it was good. You enjoy talked about this. When you're in the zone, you're just, you're in the zone. You can tell something was big. Yeah, okay.

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playing Fox Bet Super 6, download the Super 6 app and enter your six picks into their NASCAR stage 2 contest for your free shot at the jackpot. By the way, Todd Bowles was a coach interim for the dolphins, head coach for the Jets, and now he's the head coach for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the NFL over the last 10 years has, I don't know if the word is radical, but it is much more of an offensive league. There's just simple rules about hitting players in certain spaces. The middle of the field feels like it's been taken over by the offense and most of my childhood. And most of the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, the defense controlled the middle of the field. But there's limitations on what you can do to a receiver or any target over the middle. And Todd Bowles, as a defensive coach, knows some of the restrictions that are imposed.

Now, Todd's great seeing you. It is, you know, I said this. If I owned a football team, I said I'd have to strongly consider an offensive coach because the game is, I mean, it's just changed. It's the middle of the field feels like it's been taken away from defensive coordinators. Now, you run a very, very aggressive style. How have you had to change just your coaching over the last 10 years based on what the league allows you to do defensively? The biggest thing is really the aiming target when the receiver is catching the ball and putting their head to the side and making sure that we're from the shoulders anywhere in between the numbers and trying to hit them. The hard part is when they catch a ball and duck while your aiming points already low and it's a bang, bang play.

I don't think you can coach those. I think you have to live with those for the most part. But you try to keep it clean and keep it above the waist and below the shoulder pad right there. And, you know, right now they even cracking down on the kneecap. So you really can't get low as well as that much either. So we've been coaching it up and trying to get them as hard as they can play. And the bang, bang plays we don't bother with too much. But the ones we can coach, we really try and coach.

You know, Todd, you're known as an excellent defensive coordinator. But when a coach goes from coordinator to head coach, there are some day-to-day responsibilities that you have to surrender because now, holistically, you're one in the whole operation. How much on a day-to-day can you still hover on the defense, and how much do you have to relinquish? I relinquished very little this time around. I think the first time with the Jets, I relinquished a lot more than I would have wanted to. Right now, we have the same coaching staff in place, and those guys do an excellent job on the offensive side of the football.

So right now, it's just very little as much as getting the offensive playbook and looking over it in my spare time and everything else, but I'm very much involved with the defense, and I'll be ready to make game day decisions when that time comes. You know Tony Dungy well. I love Tony. For years, he kind of created a new blueprint, which is all run the team in the defense. Peyton, I'm going to let you do a lot of the offense.

You're very fortunate. With Brady, there's nobody can throw up any curveball. He's seen everything that's ever been created. Do you feel it'll be a little bit like a Dungee model where you've got this smart veteran quarterback, who's maybe the best pre-snap guy ever, you'll run the franchise, you'll run the defense, and Tommy will have a lot of power on the offense.

So, Byron, I have the power first and foremost, because he's the O.C, and Tom's been in the offense for two years now going on three. So they'll both collaborate and have a lot of power on offense when it comes to running the offense. I'll make the decisions on third and short, obviously when to go for it, when not to go for it, two-minute and those type of deals and replays and everything, but they'll pretty much run the offense.

What when facing Brady for two years in practice, did he teach you anything? He taught me, I don't know if it's me so much as some of the younger D.Bs, just never take plays off because if you are lacking in your technique, one way or the other, and you're a half step late on your break, or you're not looking at the ball. You take your eyes off the ball for a second. That ball is going to be in there and complete it. And he throws it exactly where it's supposed to be. if the wire receiver wants it high and outside, he'll put it high and outside. He's almost like a pitcher in baseball. He's very good at location.

And I think that teaches the guys as far as fundamentally being on the same page and being very sound with their technique. I don't know if it's surprising, Todd. Brady's mid-40s, half your roster is probably of 25 years old. They listen to different music. They have a different lifestyle. Are you ever surprised by Brady's ability to connect? with basically kids?

I can't even imagine. Being that in his 40s, pretty much, and most of us stopped playing in early 30s, if not at 30, to still be playing like he does and have that kind of relationship he does with the locker room, young and older guys, is unbelievable.

It's a trait that you really can't teach. It's something that you've got to have, and that it factor that everyone talks about, he hasn't. Yeah. So, you know, it is interesting. when you look at the construct of your team, Jason Light is a very good drafter. You guys have drafted really, really well. Do you, when you look at your team, do you just take your personnel and this is what we have,

this is what we'll do? Or do you have a basic system you run and I can kind of bank in it regardless of the roster? How do you view your side of the ball? On our side of the ball, we have a system we run and then, according to the to the guys that we have or if injuries occur, there are things that we have to do to offset things that we normally put in and run. So it's a little mix of both. We have our core plays that we run and we have a lot of things that we change for the guys that are accustomed to making

certain plays and can do certain things well. You have worked with some of the most unique personalities ever. You've had the Andy Reid, the great mentor, the intensity of Sean Peyton, the old school legend Bill Parcells, Bruce Ariens. If I said to you, give me something that Bruce Ariens, that you gleaned from him, watching him and thought, you know, maybe I should do more of that. What was his gift, Bruce Ariens' gift? His gift was he knew how to coach the coaches without asking them questions. He knew what they needed, when they needed it, just by feel and understanding how they are and what they do. And he had a very innate feel of coaching the coaches by just talking to him.

And I don't know how to describe that, but his intelligence, his foresight, his understanding of the person, whether they were coaching something difficult or something small or giving advice or suggestions, he had a very good knack for that. And I don't think you can just teach that. I've never seen you yell ever. You are very chill on the sidelines. When's the last time? Okay.

I'll just say when's the last time Todd Bowles lit a guy up? Give me the last time you lit a guy up and why? You should come to practice. Off the top of my head, I can recall. It was probably Dean the first time we played Philly on Monday night and we gave up a, he got a pass interference on the deep ball and cover three because he didn't get his head around. and it might have been him again at the end of a ball game.

We were winning pretty good playing covered two, and he let a seven route behind him because he didn't sink. Those kind of things kind of tick me all. I wouldn't want Todd Bulls mad at me. Good luck to you, coach. You got quite a roster. I appreciate you stopping by. I used to live in Tampa for a couple of years, fun town.

Great seeing you and good luck. Nice. Good luck. Thanks a lot, come. You bet. Todd Bulls. You know what? the international game this year,

the Bucks and the Seahawks, right before Thanksgiving play. In a city I've never been to, I've always wanted to go to Munich. Ooh. Yeah. First NFL game in Germany. Yeah.

So Bucks, Seahawks, November 13th in Munich, Germany. That's interesting. Okay, Alex, with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, there was a lot of talk about Kenny Pickett's hand size heading into the draft,

but it didn't stop him from being the first quarterback taken. This year, the Steelers selected Pickett with the 20th overall picket, and Mike Tomlin said on the Rich Eisen's show that he didn't put much stock into the hand size when they were evaluating him. Take a listen. I potentially was capable of buying into that if I didn't watch him play college football in Pittsburgh and deal with the elements that comes with playing in this environment. And so, you know, you can get into the hand-sized thing, or you can just look at how he performed in a variety of conditions,

and we have those conditions here in Pittsburgh. And so there's very little speculation from our perspective about how he might handle the ball in a, you know, inclement weather, wet days, etc. They played North Carolina here on a Thursday night. I actually went to the game, and it was raining pretty good that night, had no issues. it's something something everything's something nothing's everything yeah he's had ball security issues in college Jared golf ball security issues the quarterbacks who have smaller hands Daniel jones there are moments where you're a little concerned about it in the end it's not a make or break like you can make plays or you don't yeah um but it's something i don't there's a reason they measure it

i mean there is a reason that if you ask NFL general managers a tackle has to have a certain wingspan more than a guard. And like there are teams in the NFL, a lot of them that will not draft a tackle if he's not a certain height or doesn't have a certain length. So there are all these things. There are shuttle speeds and 40 times for corners. Every position's got a sort of niche piece of data or physical element to it. And guards and tackles, you're looking for different things.

How do you move? your feet? What's the wingspan? So it's something. I don't think it's everything, but he's, you know, he could struggle with fumbles at time. But they've also been watching him from day one right next store. And I am still so impressed how quiet and close to home they kept this draft pick. Because we had NFL insiders say they had no idea that they were going to pick him. No, they used, in fact, the story that leaked was Mike Tomlin, really liked Malik Willis. Smart. Very good at the senior bowl. They really hit it off. And so it was.

was. Yeah, distraction. Yeah, Mel Kiper. Mel Kiper told me that years ago. He said, I never get lied to more than a month before the drive. Yeah, don't look right next door. That's our guy. All right, moving on, Rob Grunkowski still hasn't announced whether he's going to return to play a 12th season with Tom Brady and Tampa. He has said that he will either be a buck or retire. And if he does decide to continue his career, it won't take very long for him to get back into football shape. He said, I feel like I can get ready at any time for football and it'll take me two weeks. So I'm not worried about it. It's just cool to be doing other things and enjoying them. But I feel like this could be like one serious phone call from Tom Brady. Being like, Ronk, I need you.

Gronk doesn't want to go through camp. I don't blame him. At this point, Brady doesn't want to go through camp. No. So Tom at the end of his New England career would go down to Costa Rica with his family. So hang out with his kids. Like when you get to be this old, you just don't want, there's no, you don't want to go through practice. These guys know each other. I think, you know, I still contend that on third down or in the red zone, Grongs a matchup problem, like he still has real value. But this guy has saved every penny he's ever made much savier than people think. He doesn't need football. Another guy who was great for broadcasting. We had him here at Fox for the NFL.

All right. Well, speaking of Tom Brady, the tuck rule is one of the more influential and controversial plays in NFL history. the call that kept the Patriots alive in their playoff matchup with the Raiders, they went on to win that game as well as the Super Bowl that season. And in a response to a TikTok challenge from Justin Bieber, Brady got a little too honest about that infamous play. New trend alert. Tell me something honest.

Tuckroo game against the Raiders. Might have been a fumble. Tom. Tom. And that was a big confession right there. And he actually had already, he's already put out a tweet after it went viral. Because of course, Tom's admitted something that, you know, was already a controversial play. Look at that.

Look at the snow on the field. Everything about that. He said in a tweet, I said might. I said might. Such a tough call. No choice, but to respect the officials, probably the correct decision. I love social media, Tom. That may have been, boy, that lasted.

That stuck with the Raiders. I think that agitated them for most of a decade. That's why I'm saying that was a really big confession, Tom. That was a big one. Now before we end, we have to give a shout out to our executive producer, Kyle Libby. It's his 25th anniversary at Fox Sports. That's unbelievable. It's huge.

He's also my producer on Fox Bet Live. So he does double duty. He just came to our show, six months. ago, I think, and the show has never been better. It's literally his magic touch. Way to go, Kyle. A classic broadcasting, executive-producing veteran. He has been great for us, great for Fox.

And we've had the honor of having him run our show for the last several months. He's been really good hang, fun guy to have in the room. Right? The best. And again, double duty. Does it heard? He does Fox Bet Live. Good stuff.

Alex for the news. What to go, Kyle. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. I talked about this a couple hours ago on the show on the Luca situation with the Dallas Mavericks and the Sons. The Warriors Grizzly series has more juice. And I still think Golden State is going to win it and put them away pretty quickly.

And I think the Sons will do the same to Dallas. But I talked about this earlier. Luke is a very interesting player. That he's essentially becoming James Harden, in that is. he doesn't really necessarily always elevate a number two or a three, although I don't think he's a bad teammate. But he plays a lot, he scores a lot, he always has the ball, he initiates a lot of physicality and contact.

So that wears any athlete down. He scores 35 to 40 points. It looks easy. And then in the end of the game, he's out of gas. And I do think Ryan Rusillo was on the show yesterday talking about this. They call it a usage rate. And that Luke is one of those guys that he is so much. Watch apart.

And Kobe Bryant talked about this years ago. You can't win championships this year this way. You've got to have a dependable too. You just can't control the ball. And Kobe said, like, James Hardin's not going to win titles doing that. And Rosilla was on yesterday talking about this type of player. Hardin was this type of player. Iverson was this type of player.

Luke is this type of player. The usage rate is just too dominant. They are too Luca reliant. We've had an incredible run of statistical performances over a regular season, like historic stuff, right? The Westbrook season in 17, some of these hardened seasons. But I kept coming back to the point. And Blake, these guys have the basketball more than anyone's ever had it regularly in history. So I went through usage rates, the top 20 usage rates in NBA history.

And the playoff track record is terrible for these single season players with the highest usage rates in the history of the game. And a lot of them are very recent years. The only player to ever get to a finals is Alan Iverson. That's it. And so as I watch this, Luca and James Harden now Luke is bigger. They remind me they get their own shot. It almost always comes at the expense of contact, physicality, bumping people. They score 35 and you're like, that was easy.

They get to the free throw line a lot. They can facilitate. They're not bad passers. But the style of play, I think, just wears an athlete down. You know, Charles Barkley was talking about that last night. how strong you have to be to be Luca. I mean, he's banging into guys constantly. And he gets his points.

But folks, that's why running backs don't last in the NFL. Like that physicality, LeBron James figured this out very quickly in his career. He started figuring it out, like his last year in Cleveland, his first year in Miami. He started shooting more threes. And LeBron was like, I want a longer career. If you want to be an immortal, an all-time great, a lot of it is sustainability. You've got to play for years and years and years. And LeBron could go to the basket and score, but you just keep banging and banging and banging.

It takes its toll. Even when you score, Barclay was saying, he's like, you know how strong you have to be to endure this? Yeah. But even with Luca, he was totally gassed by the end of the game. Chris Paul is a physical guard. He avoids contact as much as he can. He pulls up. He falls away.

Who's strong in the fourth quarter? the smaller Chris Paul has much more gas in the fourth quarter. And it's not like, you know, you say, well, Lucas got to score. Well, in Oklahoma City, Chris Paul had to score two. But even then, his fourth quarter output was double or more, his first quarter output. The pacing, avoiding contact. It's like running backs that run out of bounds. Like Adrian Peterson's an outlier.

He can run over you for 20 years and still play. Most of these guys, I mean, I've talked to, I've talked to, like, you know, players about this, running backs about this. If you can run out of bounds, run out of bounds. Don't take the hits. You may win the battle in that moment. You'll lose the war. The stuff just wears on you, hit after hit after collision. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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podcast. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jek. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me. Not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Friendly reminder, Sunday is Mother's Day. 1-800 Flowers.com. $25 bucks, two dozen assorted roses. 1-800flowers.com. The code is heard. Chris Brousard, co-hosts, first things first, getting all worked up for these playoffs. You know, I was saying about Luca. He reminds me at James Hardin. And we were talking during the break that it's impressive what he does, but his game is so built on banging on guys. I watched him last night, and he was a complete liability defensively. Chris Paul's like, I'm going right after Luca. And you made a really

interesting point on Harden and Luca, and I want you to share it with the audience. Well, I used to say about Hardin when he was in Houston, you know, a lot of people complained and didn't like watching him play. And I was just so impressed by his skill because he's not the most athletic guy, not the quickest guy. He was quicker than he is now. But he was able to create space with his ball handling, his sleight of hand, you know, faints and things like that. And I just thought knowing how tough it is to beat athletic long defenders, I was just so impressed that he was able to do it consistently and create that space. And it's the same thing with Luca.

Luca, I think, is a little stronger than Hardin. But the way he creates space just within his intelligence, his faints, his fakes, and, you know, handle and change of pace and things like that is incredibly impressive, but it is taxing not only physically but mentally. And that's why sometimes you can see he gets worn down. But look, you mentioned the defense. That is the difference. I love Luca.

I think he's going to be an all-time great player. But the difference for those comparing him to a LeBron, you know, that is going to, you know, lead this team to the promised land by himself. The difference with a LeBron and a Luca was that LeBron, by the time he started winning, or when he started winning, he had gotten it done on the defense event. And he had become one of the better defenders in the league and ultimately one of the best when he was in, you know, really right in the middle of his prime. Luca is not only not a great defender.

He's not a good defender, as you said. And Phoenix was just targeting him like they were big game hunting. Yeah. And that's a problem. And so that, look, Dallas to me has two problems as far as getting deeper in the playoffs. Number one, they're all Luca all the time. Yeah. So it's going to be tough to find that second superstar to fit with him because of how ball-dominant

Luca is. And he's their system, much like LeBron was the system for a lot of his teams. And that's tough to find that second guy to fit in that. And then the second thing is defensively, he is a major liability where some of these other superstars that he's, you know, numbers-wise in the same stratosphere with, they were great defensively too. And that's where Luca doesn't have it. So those are some of the challenges they're going to face.

I think this offseason, they need to figure out how can we play without Luca being so ball dominant that everybody else is just kind of waiting there waiting for him to create something for them we need to get you know get it more of a system where other guys can be a little more involved you know it's um we were talking about this earlier is if you just set it out loud give max money to a declining player who never really helps chemistry you would be like oh don't do that but that's the space philadelphia's in with harden he's a declining player. He's never been a great chemistry guy. And I'll make this argument. Mori loves him. And Mori feels like I traded a lot for him. Here's my takeaway, Chris. You gave up irrelevant

draft picks end of the first round. I mean, that's irrelevant. You gave up Andre Drummond. No titles going through him. You got Simmons out of the building. That was a win. I could not give, I could not give four max years to harden. I don't think he helps chemistry. I couldn't do it. So, but, but, but, but, not. By the way, I like their core without him. Superstar, Emerging Star, defensive star, and Tobias Harris. I'm good going forward. I want flexibility.

What do you do with Hardin going forward? Well, I'm with you and that. I definitely don't give him a long-term max deal. No way. And look, Darryl Morey loves him, but this may, ownership could step in and say no. Like, this may not be Darry's call ultimately. All right, they may have to take it out of his hands in the story. smart thing to do would be for for hard and they they should try to convince him to opt in because he

he didn't remember when he was traded there they were thinking he was going to opt in he was saying he was going to opt in and then he never did it so i think that is the best move for philadelphia because i look as bad as he is compared to where he's been historically he's still a pretty good player. Like, he's still a good player. You know, he's still give you 18 points and 10 assists in night and not many people in the league can do that. But he's not

worth a long-term max deal anymore. And you said, look, they're eventually going to have to pay Tyrese Maxi. Oh, yeah. Who does look like he could become the second star. Yeah. Right. Tobias Harris is a very good third option. And if you look at

this series, look, Tyrese without MB, these first two games. Tyrese maxes, 26 points, 47% shooting. Tobias Harris, 24 points, 57% shooting. It's James Hardin who's not holding up his end of the ball. That's right. If Hardin was playing at 80%, 85% of what he usually is, then they would be either 1-1 or maybe even up 2-0. And so there is no way I would give James Hardin a long-term max deal. I think you'd be doing being generous. if you gave him two years at max money or two years with a team option for a third or something like that. But no, I think ideally he would opt in for Philly and then they can see how it goes from there.

NBA just announced Dylan Brooks of the Grizzlies suspended for game three Saturday night. Does that feel just to you? It does to me, Colin, because look, this was the same call flagrant to as Draymine's file, which I thought was a flagrant too in game one. But this was to me so much worse than what Draymond did. And I don't think Dylan Brooks was trying to hurt Gary Payton Jr. But the way, if you watch that play, number one, don't tell me he was trying to block the shot.

Because he wasn't looking at the ball. He was looking at Peyton's head. And he barely jumped. He really didn't jump. And he wound up too. So I thought he was trying to send a message. I thought he was trying to send a hard file. I thought it was a no layup rule, which I'm cool with.

And maybe it was somewhat retaliation for Draymond and Brandon Clark from game one. But the bottom line is it was just excessive and it was too much. And obviously somebody, Peyton did get hurt seriously. But I'm totally fine with the one game suspension. I think it's justified. All right. Bucks controlled game one. Celtics blew him out game two.

Got two minutes left. I still like Milwaukee. Crossing my fingers on Middleton. A lot of people like the Celtics going forward. Who do you like? And why? I picked the Celtics in seven. And look, obviously that means I could see it going either way.

But this is where they miss Middleton. Yannis is shooting 38% from the field. Now, he was good in game one in other areas, but his shooting was poor. He's shooting 43% in the paint. That's how tough Boston makes it on you defensively. And so with that being the case, I think he'll have an uptick. I don't think you'll continue to be under 40% for the entire series. But still, this is where you miss Chris Middleton, right?

It was fine in the first round without Middleton because Chicago's defense isn't very good. The second round against this defense, they need that other guy. Now, Drew Holliday's played well, but they need their big three. And that's why I picked Boston because I thought ultimately Middleton's absence would come into play. And that's how I think it's going to play out, Boston and seven. All right. Chris Broussard, first things first. You can hear him mentoring Nick Wright every morning, teaching him the ways of the world.

Yes, indeed. Thank you. Let's lock that in. Keep playing that. Yeah, I try to teach him the ways of the world every Wednesday. He'll have none of it, as you well know, but nonetheless, these plans. I'll say this, Chris, these playoffs, the ratings are up without LeBron. I think they've been fantastic.

I think the playoffs have been jammed arenas, intense fans, just enough on the edge play. I think it's been great so far. You're absolutely right. And what is showing without LeBron, without Duran, without Kauai, the next generation is emerging. Jai, Devin Booker's still young. Yonis is still young. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and Boston, like, you're seeing that next group of stars come up.

No matter how far they go, they're emerging, and the NBA will still be in good hands when the big names, the older guys are gone. All right, Chris. Good seeing you, buddy. Thank you. Yep, you too. Chris Broussard.

So he's going to take Celtics. I'll take Bucks. Middleton may play very end of the – it's kind of weird if he does come back. They haven't played with him in a while. So keep your eyes on that. Exciting stuff. It really, now, some people will say the ratings are up because LeBron's not talking politics.

That could certainly be part of it. I think there are people in America that like their sports over here and their social causes over here. They see sport as escapism. I get it. It doesn't have to be me, but I get it. Like, there are people like that. It's silly for the media to deny there are people like that.

Like, of course there are. I mean, Colin Kaepernick hurt their ratings for two years. Didn't bother me. Some people just like, click. I don't want to watch it. I think the other thing with LeBron is there's a little LeBron fatigue. He's everywhere all the time. And I've said this about Brady.

He's great. I have a little Brady fatigue. I was way more interested in Stafford with the Rams. Josh Allen winning a Super Bowl. Justin Herbert's growth. There's a lot of really good stories. And I do think dynasties are better served being about six years long and careers are better served being about 12 to 15 years long.

There's a little LeBron fatigue. He's gone. ratings up. People want new stories. And the NBA has given it to him. Penguins Rangers, game two tonight. Your Discover Card Key Match. up prices soaring at the pump. Discover has your back. Cash back. Use Discover. Five percent

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it.

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