The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Logan Ryan

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

Former Patriot Logan Ryan joins the heard to talk about his NFL career and playing with Tom BradySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. have strongly urged Logan to get into broadcasting. Pivot into broadcasting, please. We love him to see him here today. The former Rutgers Scarlet Knight, third-pick, third round pick by the Patriots. You know, we had Brady on yesterday, and we were talking a lot about there's a certain competitiveness to be great at what you guys do. Like there's a lot of great athletes, but there's a relentless. The great ones are usually a little smarter and a little more focused and a little more competitive.

and Tom said, I don't think I'll be quite as competitive as a broadcaster, but is it, if you go into that space, which I think people, you're going to, you know, you're built for it we can see. What are your expectations? Because as a player, if there's a blown coverage, a lot of fans don't really understand what happens on a play. Oh, yeah. In broadcasting, a bad sentence, let me just warn you, it lasts.

How do you view going into broadcasting? challenge, anxious, how do you want to be viewed as a broadcaster? Yeah, I think there is a little anxiousness about, man, if I get, if I say something the wrong way, then it is documented. Twitter's going to bring it up immediately. I got to deal with the backlash or whatnot, but I view myself, listen, we want broadcasters to be entertaining, right? We want them to inform us to be entertaining. I think the best thing I can do better than theatrics is use my experiences of playing for great coaches, playing in a lot of of playoff games, playing in a lot of Super Bowls, and using my unique experiences that I've

had and kind of teach you through that, trying to educate. I hope to be educational and informative, and I hope to educate the fan with basic knowledge, like my kids who watched the game, right, when Disney did a, you know, a broadcasting of the game or the Nickelodeon game, right? At that level, all the way up to the highest level of fan, I hope to educate everybody. We were talking about Jim Harbaugh earlier, and I said Harbaugh is relentless in his preparation, detail, and his competitiveness. You had really different coaches. You had almost an offensive wizard in Shanahan.

You had the smartest defensive coach ever in Belichick, and a real alpha as a personality, Mike Vrable. And I think sometimes when I look at a Tomlin or a Vrable, I may not think they're as schematically as gifted because they're so motivationally good. when I in Brable again this is me being unfair he's a former player right you know Bella checks the academic but go back to you know a guy that you know well Mike who I always really appreciated as a former player how did he get buy-in from the schemes he's really smart he was a smart player he was a versatile player he has championship pedigree and I think his size stature it matters it matters yeah I do think a lot of guys looked to him and like, man, you could check my tape of what I did. And he was putting his hands on offense alignment and defense alignment in practice in terms of like showing

him how to get off a block. Like, hey, I can show you too. I could still do this for a snap or two. But I think Rabel, what people don't understand is how smart he was. I mean, I think he was, when we had Dean Peas there, right? And that's when Tennessee was going on those runs, right? We went to AFC championship game and, you know, when I was there. And I think Dean Peas was a wizard because he was with Belichick in New England, and Rable played under Dean Pease. I think when those two were there, we were drawn up defenses

and changed our defenses from week to week to beat a Baltimore. I mean, we went from beating New England, right, as an underdog in Tom Brady's last game, as a Patriot, to then beating the 14-and-2 Ravens at home with Lamar Jackson won MVP. Completely two different defenses. And Raybo, as the head coach,

has not only implement that defense with Dean Peas, but also be willing to, say, yeah, let's change our defense up. And we give Belichick a lot of credit for doing that in the Super Bowl against the Rams, right? They're a non-zone playing defense the entire year. They have Stefan Gilmore. They have J.C. Jackson. They have Jason McCordy.

They play man-to-man every snap. And they go play Sean McVeigh, which I think is one of the most underrated of Super Bowls from a defense perspective. Yeah. And run and zone the entire game. And McVeigh did not see that coming, and that's Jared Golf's last game as a L.A. ram. Yeah. The Niners, I've talked about this. this, they're in a space now where they've got really expensive great players, many old.

And some of those players like McCaffrey feels like a pitcher who's thrown 300 innings in four straight years. I do feel like there's a sense for me. You're eventually going to have to pay Brock Purdy. Trent and Christian, I mean, you can look at the data. They play, they win. But Kittle, Debo, Trent, McCaffrey, those guys get banged up. I kind of feel, and I said this, teams, there's arches.

You could feel it with Tom Brady. He got frustrated in his last two years in New England with a lack of playmakers on offense. You could hear him on the sidelines. I do feel like the best version of San Francisco may have been last year. Now, Hufunga comes back at safety. But when you were there, the intellect remains. But do you look at them and wonder, how many snaps does Trent Williams have? How many hits does McCaffrey have?

Debo, there are no finesse runs by Debo. There are none. I look at them as a team that is on the precipice of, like, moving downhill with injuries. How did you feel there? I think this is a window right now, and they're in it. And we know with great teams are trying to create, trying to win championships, or try to contend and get to that level year and year, that takes a toll. It's really hard.

You're playing a lot more games than everyone else. You're practicing a whole month. longer than everyone else and that adds up and I think San Fran is right in it and they know what the roster they have when they play when they pay Brock Purdy and they will pay Brock Purdy that they cannot keep everybody else so I think that the foundation pieces of what we see a kiddle a Debo a Trent a Fred a Bosa a Hargrave it's hard to keep all those pieces together for five 10 years if you're not winning championship so this is their window right now they're in it I think they're right in and

Last year was a great opportunity. Obviously, we're sick about that. But I think this is this year, I think they're the team. I think this is their year. You know, this sounds like it probably is a simplistic question. But you guys give your soul to a team and then you're traded. And so here you are, you're a patriot. You're a titan.

And then all of a sudden, you're a nineer. And it's always weird to me. It would be like me being on another network tomorrow. Forget not knowing the executive's name. it's like, I can't screw it up and say the wrong network. How long, how do you go from being a committed Titan? How long was it, the drive to work, the team to locker room, to feel like you're part of something and not an outsider?

Because it's no other career do we ask you to be loyal to the team. And then you go from United Airlines to Delta in an hour. Right. Like, is that hard to get buy-in from them? Was it hard for you to buy into them? You know, it's, it is really hard. And I think as I got older, I understood, and they'll tell you these words, well, it's a business. Well, you show up every day to your work and you got to give a little bit more if you want to be good at it.

You can go, you can give very little. You can give the leash required that your contract allows you to, like basic amount of hours. But we're training all year round. We're eating healthy all year round or a guy like me is. I'm doing everything I can. I'm trying to lead my teammates. I'm trying to be a really good employee. Right. And I felt at most of my places, I was a good employee as in terms of doing what I was asked to do and going above and beyond in the locker room, off the field, and the community.

My kids going to school with these places. My kids having friends, my wife getting settled down in a certain situation. And then a team decides to move on or a different direction. My contract expires. I don't extend. Did it take you off? I feel like I failed as a father. I feel like I failed as a man of supporting my family and keeping them stable. Because when I had to move my kids, I'm like, I must not did it. I should have got another interception. I should have won that one game. But on the other side, to them, it's just a numbers game.

It's just a business. So I think that's the hard side of it. And I think great teams need players who care and buy in. But at the same time, great organizations also move on from players when they feel like they need to. And I think sometimes that's hard. It's hard to get that balance. It's hard to get that buy-in. It's cold.

And a team like San Francisco has that buy-in right now. Those players really want it. Those players do give a lot. Those players, Fred Warner's working out right now. I know Fred. I call him Freddie Bean after Kobe, Kobe Bean, like this guy is a tremendous worker. And Fred Warner moved on from San Francisco,

that would be terrible to see because of what he does for that organization. So I think it's hard because the players have to give their all to it. And listen, you get rewarded handsomely. But like you said, you're on a different team quickly in a matter of minutes. And you might not even learn from the team. You might learn online before you even know. So those are the things that are really hard on families, those are things that were hard for me.

but that just comes with the business that you're playing. It's not always a fair business. Do those nine players buy into you? Yeah, I think the nineers players definitely are bought in. Like I said, they're playing, they went up against, you know, we went up against a great quarterback in Patrick Mahomes and had a great drive at the end of the game. But you remember your first day walking into the locker room, San Francisco?

I do, yeah. I might have said it on here. I walked in on a Tuesday, typical NFL off day. You might have a handful of players in there on an off day. I mean, some guys get out to build them because they're there six days a week. Maybe 10 guys there on off day. Guys meet treatment. Guys were banged up.

I said if I had 30, 40 guys in the wait room working out, all the stars in there working out. I haven't seen anything like that since a couple of New England years was like that. Brady in there and everyone following suit. So Purdy was in there rolling out. Christian was in there, squatting, Bosa. Everybody was in there. And I was going for a tryout. I was coming off the cruise just trying to try out.

And I did well enough. Like, you make the team? I said, I think so. And then like two weeks later, I'm starting. I was in there with them every Tuesday as well. So I was like, man, I remember telling my parents and my wife, I'm like, this team's going to be a special team. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific.

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Open your free, I Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. So I got to ask you about Pittsburgh. Howie Long, the Hall of Famer has a great line. He says there's not enough oxygen in a room. room for two good quarterbacks. They don't have to compete like corners and safeties and linebackers.

So now you got Russell Wilson, super talented Justin Fields. And Russell comes with a brand, a reputation, whatever you think of him, there's a lot of stuff. And Justin Fields is too talented

to just sit on the bench. The schedule's brutal. So you know Russell's not going to have 16, 17 seamless weeks. that quarterback room, is it going to be weird? Like,

quarterbacks different, they don't compete. Tom wanted, you know, Tom didn't love Garapolo in the room, and he was Tom Brady. What is that going to be like?

I agree with Howie Long. When you have, when you have two starting quarterbacks, that means you don't have one. You have none. I think, you know, Russell has not been playing his best ball.

I think he can play better ball, and he will play better ball in Pittsburgh. But you're going to see Justin, to do something in preseason. Those fans are always to be hoping and wait and like, man, maybe Russ had a rough game. Let's put them in. Let's get them in there.

So I understand, right? We're talking about football. We're talking about business. We're talking about moving from players and not making long-term commitments as much anymore. We're looking at analytics. And hey, if I get two starting quality quarterbacks or guys who were starters in their career for this price, why not put them both on the roster? But I don't know if that works out best for Russ or Justin Fields.

So I think you might see a combination of both those guys playing this year. Not in terms of, let's put him in at Wildcat. I'm just saying I think it might get to a point you put Justin Fields in because I don't know why you get them just to sit there the entire year and do nothing with it at all. So unless Russ comes out and lights the world on fire, which I do think he's going to play well. However, I do think that Baltimore is going to play well, right, with Derek Henry. Joe Burroughs back. And Joe Burrow is back in Cincey.

I think that's going to go well. And I think Deshaun Watson needs to show up and play some ball in Cleveland. And Cleveland was a pretty good team last year without him. Well, coach. So where's Pittsburgh standing at division? And where does the Pittsburgh quarterback position stand at division? Is that the fourth best quarterback room in that division? So it's going to be tough.

So you played with Gerard Mayo in New England. Now he's the coach. And for years I would hear that's the next coach. Bill loves him. But there is a difference between being a really good player and beloved by Bill and then breaking away and you make all the decisions. That's a big difference. expectations, growing pains, what do you think?

What are his strengths? Tremendous leader. I mean, I think that's Rabel's biggest strength, just an alpha leader. I think he's relatable and smart enough to understand the current day player who is different than what he played. I do think he understands these guys. I think he's willing to listen to these guys. These guys are already saying the changes that I already felt around there.

And I think that he's a great worker, very smart. I think he's put the time, and I think it's a great relationship with Robert Kraft. And I think that'll allow him to get the patience that is needed to get through this process. I mean, they've got to figure out the quarterback position. They drafted a guy and Drake May to help that. So I think they got to figure that position out. If you don't have a quarterback nowadays, you're not winning in general. I think they'll play a good defense.

They always do up there. But they got to figure out the offense. You've got to figure out how to generate some points. And I think Girard's going to – his staff is going to have to help him with that because he's not an offensive guy. but I do think he is willing to adjust and listen to other ideas, implement titles, which Bill has not done in a lot of years. And I think it's going to be the strength of his staff. So I think what is his coaching staff that he was able to hire?

Who wants to work for him? And what can those guys do? I think that's going to be the real tell in New England. So Vrabel you play with, he becomes a coach, and Gerard Mayo you play with. We're seeing it in the NBA and the NFL. More players are becoming coaches. did you spot early with Vrabel and with Gerard Mayo?

Oh, that guy will be a coach? Was there somebody on the Niners that you look at and go, oh, that guy could be a coach? Because I think it's rare. Yeah. Like, I didn't think Vrable would be a coach. I think he joined the Ohio State staff. And I always looked at him as just sort of a big, strong, good-looking guy. And all of a sudden you start watching their games, and I hear him talk, and I'm like, that guy's pretty brilliant.

Gerard Mayo, I heard for years. Did you instinctively know with like a Vrable in the playing days? Because Rable's chugging beers with Tommy. He didn't feel like a coach to me. I didn't play with Ravel. I'm not that old. But I came right after that error of New England Patriots. I knew of Ravel.

And I always heard about his presence and how he was the guy in the room that demanded a lot from the rookies and wanted things a certain way. And he just had the respect from so many guys from Teddy Bruske. And guys, I mean, people could think maybe Teddy Bruske could be a coach. You know, he has that type of personality. Oh, I love Teddy. I think it's do guys want to do it? I think guys can be a coach, but do guys want to dedicate the hours and the time and the job insecurity of, you know, coaches don't coach for long in the NFL? We know that.

So do guys want to go take that risk and do it? I think the want to is what makes a great coach. And in terms in my career, a lot of people said that I would be a good coach because I have a knowledge of the game. And I was like, I don't want to work that many hours for what? and I'm moving to some city that I don't ideally maybe want to live into and get fired or start somewhere. So it's kind of like, man, do I want to, coaches are in that building much longer than players are. They're missing more holidays than players are missing. And you need to have a wife and a family who understands that.

And if you've made a certain amount of money, you have a certain amount of peace in your life. Why go back into it, I guess is the question. So early bill on the documentary could be pretty funny with the press. Recent bill, roast, can be pretty funny. but there was a time in the middle, 10 to 12 years, he lost the humor. He was sort of dismissive to us. But in those years, maybe it's spy gate. The Boston media could wear anybody out.

When Bill was seen as hardened and tough and difficult and dismissive, did you notice a personality change, which happens to a lot of people? You get beat up by the press, you lose big games, you're mad at your owner. it's hard. Bill was like GM and coach at the end. What do you make of this return to sort of the fun sense of humor, Bill? So I was in New England drafted 2013 to 2016. And I think, you know, during that time we dealt with Aaron Hernandez situation and deflakeate, right? And I think that a lot of times it was like us against the world type stuff in terms of he kept everything internal.

So I think we did, I did see the funny side of Bill that you saw at times. I saw the low lights and stuff he talked about chewing guys out in film, but I also saw the lighthearted stuff. So I think we had a great time. I had a great time there, won a lot of games. My last game was the Malcolm Butler interception. I leave New England, right, now that we get the stage set, I leave New England.

The next season is the Philadelphia situation where Malcolm doesn't play in the Super Bowl. And when I watched that documentary, I wasn't there right at this point now. So now I'm not, I'm ex-New England Patriot. And I see that kind of the turn, right, of the political statements coming out from Bill supporting, you know, Trump and whatnot. We said we're not going to talk about anybody's own personal beliefs, right? So I saw that kind of shook the locker. I'm like, hey, we don't talk about those things. Why are you talking about those things?

Right there. And so I started to see when I saw the documentary, I started to see a change. I played New England, right, and Brady's last game intercepted them and whatnot. And so that was kind of the end of the documentary. When we beat New England in that game, I remember I'm friends with the McCordy twins, Daron Harmon, Brady, James White, I mean, you name it, Hightower, Jamie Collins. Those are my guys. Those are guys I've won Super Bowls with, spent a lot of time with on off the field.

They all seem tired. They seem tired. Like when we won, and I came up to shake their hands and whatnot, I'm thinking, man, they just lost in Foxborough. Like, we never lose in Foxborough, not playoff games. And I'm like, they might storm their locker. them. They shook my hand and like, congrats, you deserve it, bro. And, like, I was just like, that's it. They just seemed to feed it in a sense of just, it was some long years. So I did

think it got a little dark, but I wasn't there for those times. But when I played them, I felt it. I felt like they were just okay being done because it was just a long couple years, those last couple years. Listen, I think Pat Riley always said, you get about 10 years and then you need a new voice. And I think, Bill, and maybe dogmatic is the wrong thing, but it was sort of a systematic way to do business, sacrifice for the team. But I do think Bill eventually he wanted to talk politics, and then Tom eventually wanted to do a commercial and miss a camp. And I think that's human.

I always look at the Patriots dynasty is how lucky was I to watch a 20-year NFL dynasty. Basketball dynasty, I get like four years and done. So to me, I think it was a fitting and predictable conclusion to the biggest sports business in America is that 20 years, I mean, you hug and that's three times the length of a dynist. If Kansas City gives us four more years,

just four more, I'm not sure it'll count as half of New England. And I feel like Kansas City's dynasty's been lasting for years. Yeah, they're rolling with Andy Reed and Mahomes, yeah, I think Bill was, he did a great job if you think about it, of like putting this camp around, right, and not

letting cameras inside. Right, there's no when that last dance, when Brady's last dance footage comes out. It's going to be phenomenal, right? We kind of saw it a little bit, but it's like no cameras were in yet no idea what was happening. And he just focused on playing ball. It's like the M-night Shamelon movie, The Village or whatever, and you're just living in a certain way, right, for so many years, then you just hop out like, oh, there's a target across the street. I didn't know. We were living like it was in 1990s. But times have changed. People want to talk about political views. Political views got into football. People want to do

commercials. It's okay to have your cell phone in a meeting. So these things, employees, right, in the workplace, they're the demands change. I think as a boss, you've got to understand that. I think he did a great job to make time standstill for 20 years and get players to truly focus on what's important, which is executing football. And at the end of the day, political views, all that stuff has nothing to do with playing a football game

and Bill did a great job of getting guys in position to play a football game and win it. But there's a lot of other things in life that we need to talk about at work nowadays, and that's just kind of where we're at nowadays. I love that. He made time standstill for 20 years. But eventually time breaks through. Eventually they look over and it's like, oh, we're not in a village in the middle of the woods.

We can have some freedoms, yeah. Logan Ryan. Great seeing you, my man. Appreciate it. Always love having you on. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Two NBA insiders podcasting twice a week to plug you right into the NBA great fight. All happening in only one place.

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A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.

So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J.

And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now.

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We like him a lot. We like Shane Steakin a lot. Arrow pointing up in Indy. They brought in Joe Flacco as a veteran presence this offseason to help Richardson. I love, you know, maybe reach his full potential. Yeah. Something the second year quarterback has fully embraced. Man, it's crazy because Joe was in the NFL when I was in elementary school.

So it's like, man, every time I see him, it's like, bro, that's Joe Flacco right there. And, you know, I ask some questions all the time. And he just laid back. He's chill. I'm like, okay, we're in the meeting rooms. He's telling me a certain thing. Like, I would do this. I would do this.

But, you know, that's just me. And I'm like, okay, cool. So I just take it and add it to my bank. But it's amazing. And just to have a vet guy like that. And, you know, it's Joe Flacco. So, yeah. That is funny.

How, what an advantage. Plus Flacco's like. made his money got a ring married kids like i mean flacco last year was a great story he was so loose he had playing with nothing to lose yeah so i that's that's your classic sort of alec smith joe flacco you're getting a real grown-up in the room good guy wants to be like he can play nothing to lose can play but good guy in the film room i'm wondering how flacco sold that to the family hey guys I was retired. We lived in Baltimore forever.

I did Cleveland last year. I'm going to live in Indy and play football for the Colts this season. Well, it depends on how old your kids are. But, like, your family doesn't always have to. I mean, like if the kids were in school, you know. You're not going to pull them out to move to Indy for a year. I mean, I think professional athletes sell it to their family that look at the life this helps create. I mean, it's a pretty cool life to be a quarterback in the NFL.

He's probably got enough that he might own his own private jet. Remember, he was getting paid back in the day. Joe Flackle's done well. Yeah, very well. Who knows? Maybe things will go well for him in Indy. Let's stay in the division to go to Houston Texans. Man, their roster, Colin. You start comparing rosters.

Texans are right there near the top. They are. Led, of course, by C.J. Stroud, who had a great rookie year. The biggest move they had was adding Stefan Diggs to what was a young wide receiver room, something to Miko Ryan's, believe, will cause defenses a lot of problems. I want to put defenses in bonds. I think with those three guys, it allows us to do that because they are so different, right? And they can all do different things.

But at the end of the day, they are all explosive finishers with the football. And that's what makes those guys great players. They can win on third down and they can finish and get in the end zone. And that's what we look for at all skilled positions on offense. So having three receivers there, it definitely opens up the playbook for us. And it puts a lot of stress on the defense. Yeah, they're good. That division's no joke now. And you've got, if Anthony Richardson stays healthy, Trevor Lawrence, C.J. Stroud, it's amazing.

C.J. Stroud, like, now you look at that division, and you're like, the only question now, can Will Levis play? And Will Levis's receiving core is stellar. It's good. And they have an offensive coach. Texans have, they're, first of all, they got Joe Mixing. I don't know. You remember him in Cincinnati? Good. Yeah, I liked him. And Damien Pierce, who was a young kid.

Very good. So, they're going to say, hey, listen, if you're going to just. played back. We'll take the run. But Diggs, Collins, Tankdell, Robert Woods, who's a solid possession receiver, Noah Brown showed well. John Mechie, the young guy from Alabama? No, there's no. They got players. They got some dudes. I'm really

interested to watch Anthony Richardson, because I think Shane Steikens, I mean, Anthony had 13 college starts, so the kid comes in, he's so raw. And I think both of us, you and I both watched him and thought, but he's way better than I thought. Like, he was the best athlete on the field. in the games he played. He was the best athlete on the field. But that's the key word, athlete.

Yeah. He was never the best quarterback. But I think, I mean, he just, some guys are, I mean, he got rid of that ball. I was actually shocked with 13 college starts to go into Shane Steichen system. I thought he was pretty good, pretty fast. It was kind of shocking. I remember somebody who went down to Gainesville to try to recruit him, you know, to be their agent. And ultimately, they were like, yeah, he probably should stay another year. And that was a consensus from a lot of people. could use another year. Sure. And then he goes out. He's an early draft pick and he's dynamic as hell. He's just one of those athletic guys who could just slide right in. Now, if he starts to get the quarterback stuff down, like footwork and poise and going through the rotations,

this guy could be a top 10 quarterback in the league sooner than later. I think he's really, there are certain people, certain athletes jump off the television. Like Ant, even last year, he jumps off the TV. Anthony Richardson is different. Yeah. Yeah. Final story is Victor Weniama had a amazing rookie year. Obviously, rookie the year, finished second and defensive player of the year voting.

Damian Lillard, however, sees even bigger things for Wembe. Damian Lillard told him Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, I think by next season, people are going to be talking about Wembeen Yama as the best player in the league. In his second year, is that even possible? Could he pass? Luca. He's just so unique. He's so long.

I mean, like, he, you know, in football, they call it, like, closing speed when you get burned as a corner. Like, he's got closing length. Like, you can fool him off the dribble, and it just, he'll just catch up to you and block the shot. And I'm talking six, nine, six, ten guys. He's, he is just, it's just all different. You know, another name I've seen link to them is Darius Garland from the Cavs. He's good. Good player.

He ends up, anybody who next ends up. next to Wemagnama is going to be good. Donovan Mitchell, Paul Pierce, whoever it is. Dejante Murray. Dejante Marie. Like, I just wonder if he's already so good that people are like, yeah, I want to go play with that guy. You know how, like, LeBron's like, hey, come to Miami, come to Cleveland.

People follow. Is Wembe Nama going to be, does he have that gravitational pull? At any one time in my life, there's been about four players that control the NBA. You can go to any era. It was sort of like magic and bird and Isaiah for a while. And then it was sort of like Michael Jordan, you know, and Barclay was controlling the West and Phoenix. There's always about four guys that kind of feel like they control the league. I think Yokic, Wemby, Luca.

Luca are the three absolutes. Three Europeans. Well, I mean, not. But I think if you're asking me for the next 10 years, I would say my guest, is Wemby, Yokic, Luca will control the league. Janus will be close. Tatum is part of a collective,

but that's what it feels like. I can't argue. A lot of people want to push back. SGA. What about Anthony? The SGA is going to score a bunch of points, but there is a size dimension. I mean, Luca's literally,

you know, he's like magic as a guard. You just can't, just too big, too thick. Yeah. You know, he controls the usage, the tempo. It's just, LeBron, it took him

longer than a year to be the best player in the league. It took like three or four when he went to the finals as like a 22 year old. But LeBron wasn't 7-4. No. Seventh, let's not short change a big guy. Yeah, there are just dynamics here at work just on sheer size.

He can just do things. I mean, he could average five and a half locks a game. That's insane. And by the way, that's just the blocks. What about altering shots? J-Mack with the news. well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the herd line news Logan Ryan Nick Wright and remembering Bill Walton on our show today good stuff so tonight

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