The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Looking at the Chiefs and the Lions

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

World Series Champion Jack Flaherty joins the show in studio to talk about their heated series against the Padres in the playoffs and how everything changed in their series clinching win over the Yankees He talks to 7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady about what makes the Chiefs and Lions clear Super Bowl favorites through 9 weeks Colin talks to Chiefs head coach Andy Reid about Travis Kelce, Patrick Mahomes and their season so farSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Was your first reaction? That's a lot of pressure. No, definitely was not. That's a lot of pressure. It's like, wow. I can't believe that this is real. I can't believe that this is happening. I knew I was going to get traded.

It was made very evident to me like, yeah, we're going to move you. We don't know where. And then it's going to be the Dodgers. and I'm like, how quickly can I get this text off to my mom before it breaks because this is going to happen really quick, just so she didn't see it from elsewhere and be like, and I just, just one word was Dodgers.

And yeah, that was that was all my thought. So, and they relied on you. We said, it's almost remarkable they won, 40 different pitchers used. In all three series, I'd never seen this, a bullpen game in the World Series. I thought I said out loud, I thought the Padres had you. the Padre series was different because that team is all attitude. And when you came here, did you realize how intense the Dodger Padre rivalry was? No, I think you see it.

You could see the games. You see the way that it had gone and the way that it had gone over the last couple of years. I think it was 22 when San Diego beat them. But I didn't realize the record difference on the season until we played them. because I got there for it was the series. They were playing in San Diego. They had one more game. I flew in just to be there with the team before we took off for Oakland.

And, you know, they beat us pretty bad. You know, it was a rough day. But the atmosphere was awesome. But then it was just different. I didn't really realize how intense it was. I had been in rivalries before with us and the Cubs being in St. Louis. But that one was... Trash talking.

Yeah. There was a lot of a lot of bad. and forth and it kind of felt like the second we didn't react to everything that was going on and we played our game and we worried about us, the better position we were in. Like, just kind of, like, one of those things, like, they, like, it felt like they, you know, they were trying to get under our skin. Yes. And, you know, personally, like, I let it happen in game two where things got emotional.

And it felt like once we just worried about us and went about our business and relaxed a little bit, we were able to relax a little bit for game four and yeah we took care of business so freddie freeman um you know these first inning home runs are insane as a pitcher we don't think that offense we know we know um you know pitching with a lead probably helps a little but it felt like those freeman home runs kind of changed the pitching like almost gave you guys more confidence you were more aggressive doesn't change 100% pitching Pitching with a lead absolutely is a difference, especially in playoffs when you have a lead and you can go out and attack the other team and you can go out and it opens the door to go get strike one and just to go right at guys and to be aggressive and not really worry about like, you know, I got to pitch the corners. And especially if you're on the road, now you've got momentum going out there.

And it's just like how quickly can I get these guys back to hitting and how quickly can we get, you know, these guys back up again? And so for me, my job at that point is how quickly, you know, just let's just get these guys out and get these guys back in the dugout, let them keep swinging it, and let's build this lead, and let's end this game early. Because momentum in the playoffs is a real thing and it's everything. And once that thing starts to shift, things can happen quickly and can go in whatever direction that it wants to go.

One of the things that struck me, Jack Flaherty, joining us if you're listening on Radio Dodger Great, came July 30th at the deadline. from Detroit and was really crucial in the playoffs. I'm struck by Otani's the biggest superstar in the game. Mookie Betts is one of the greatest. I compare him to Joe Morgan. Probably you wouldn't remember that as well.

Joe Morgan, I thought, was the best baseball player I ever saw. But because he was around Johnny Bench and Pete Rose, he was overshadowed. Mookie Betts similarly is an insane talent. I don't understand where he generates that power. And then you have Freddie Freeman and guys like you. And then Clayton Kershaw is not pitching, but there's an or around him and then Walker Bueller and here's Dave Roberts having to manage injuries and resources. I'm struck by the body language how positive I don't sense ego.

If Otani wanted to be a jerk, he could be. Yeah, he could be. When you came to the organization, were you immediately embraced? I was. And it was one of those things I had known a couple of, a handful of guys on the team already. So for me coming in, and I had known Doc a little bit, and we had, we had family friends that knew each other. So I felt like it wasn't a, it wasn't a bunch of, hey, nice to meet you's. It was a bunch of, hey, man, good to see you.

Like, we all knew each other. It wasn't like, hey, I'm Will Smith. Hey, I'm Mooky Betts. It was like, Mook, it's good to see you. Will, like, how are we doing? How are we going to make this thing happen? So it was a lot more of that where I have known or gotten to know some of these guys a little bit, where they just, They brought me in and embraced me, and I felt like I just, you know, just seamlessly fit in

and was able to go out, have a good start in Oakland and just go from there. We had a bunch of injuries, but it was really just next man up. Whoever was ready to pitch, whoever was ready to go that day, give it everything you got and just go out and do it. I thought the Padres actually matched up better than the Yankees or Mets did against you. I thought they kind of matched up, but they're a team, as you told me during the break. They play with a lead. there are a lot of emotion.

They don't play as well from behind. Going into the World Series, and I just looked at the batting order, and I thought, you know, once you get past like a Stanton down, I just thought your pitching would beat their hitting, whereas you guys can put Tommy Edmund batting ninth, and it's like he'll eat you alive.

What was the scouting report going into the World Series? Was there a sense that you feel like, we got the better team here? Look, I think that for me, It was just trying to keep guys off base when it was trying to, you have to get the bottom of the order out because once you get up, if you've got guys on base and then you've got, you know, Glaber, Soto, Judge, and Stanton coming up,

you've got problems. You got a lot of problems. So you have to get the bottom of the order out so that you're not facing those guys with runners on. And if I can get to a point where I'm facing, you know, Soto, Judge, and Stanton without runners on, we'd be in a better spot. You know, we trusted our lineup, what they were going to do.

You got the NLCS MVP here. hitting ninth for part of it when we got it, which is crazy. Crazy. But that goes to the no ego thing is Tommy has no ego. He won the MVP. He was unbelievable NLCS. Hey, by the way, we're going to hit you ninth. But then, you know, against Rodon, we're going to hit you fifth because you're maybe a little bit better right-handed. But none of those guys had any ego, Mookie, Shohay, Freddie, like, they just wanted to do whatever it took to win. And they did it. And that comes down to Sack Flies. you got Mooki Celebrating Sack Flies, which it's not to say he wouldn't do that in the regular season, but the emotion that he would show of like, I got the job done.

We got a run because every single run mattered and what we were able to do. So it was, I mean, the whole playoffs was a grind. And our offense, like, they showed up and really they helped us throughout the World Series. I mean, you've pitched St. Louis, a good franchise, been a little lean in recent years. Detroit's had down years. How, I mean, I watched the R&D for the Dodgers. They don't miss on trades very often. They bring up minor league guys.

They're all good. I mean, they overachieve, for a big, for a team that could spend a lot of money and overspend, they spend it smartly. They passed on Manny Machado, Zach Grinke. They don't always just spend the most money. I still can't figure out how they got Mookie Betts and why Boston let him go. But how is it different? Do you feel, having been with four, let's see, you've been cards, Orioles, Tigers, Dodgers.

This is not to knock other teams. I always felt the Dodgers were kind of elegant. They're kind of stately. Like, does it feel different? You feel the, you feel the, you feel the, like, that there, any, any place they go, they're the, they're the bigger, better team. And, you know, like Matt Kemp, he told me this. He said it's just different wearing the Dodger blue, and it's different having Dodgers across your chest.

He said, guys just come here, and you just, like, the level of their game just steps up for whatever reason. And maybe it's the guys you're playing with that make you feel like, hey, I'm on the same level as this guy. Like, I get to work with him every day. Or the staff that they bring around and how much staff that they have to give you information or to help you out and the way that they watch you work, go about your business, the way they watch you throw, the way that their meetings are held, everything.

It is top tier from top to bottom. And, you know, every single part of it goes that way. And I think it goes a long way where you continue to see the success throughout the regular season, no matter who's out there. It's not the same team every year. There's a different piece here and there. And then, you know, the playoffs just comes down to X. I mean, playoffs, anything can happen. And I know that they, you know, they caught a lot for not.

winning in the past, but anything can happen in baseball and playoffs. The best team doesn't win every year, and the Dodgers have been, they've been the best team. And when you go to certain cities, you, when you go to certain cities, teams are like, okay, like we got a real team

coming in now. And that's, that's the feeling that you get when you play them. When the Yankees melted down in the fifth, I mean, it was, I've never seen anything like it. Never seen it. And they were not a great fielding team to begin with. You guys were a better fielding team. But when you're in that dugout, because it kind of felt like we're going back to L.A.

Yeah. We're going back to L.A. Thought that way. And in that fifth inning, I'm just, I'm going, oh, the Yankees are playing tight, which is remarkable because you're the favorite and you played loose. Yeah. They're their underdog. And could you sense they just got tight?

I think we could sense it from the feeling in the stands. Like before the intros of game three, whatever reason we were all, kind of looking at each other and just were like, it just, it feels like a nervous energy in the stands. And we couldn't quite pinpoint it. And we were like, let's just go out and play and like have some fun. We got Walker Bueller on the mound, one of the best big game pitchers that there is. Like, he's going to go do it. Our bullpen is fresh and healthy because, you know, Yamamoto had pitched well the day before. I did enough in game one. And it was like, let's just, let's go out win this game and end this series in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,

make go up 3-0. So we, yeah, it felt, and then game five, I've, that ending was crazy. Everything that could have gone wrong for them did. Everything. And we still had to capitalize because that, that play with Rizzo and Cole happens. And we're like, oh, my goodness, like, thank goodness. But then Freddie gets a hit, Tayo gets a hit. And now we're, now we're tie ballgame.

And now it's like, okay, now we're in business. Yeah. They gave you an opening and you took advantage. took advantage. That's the way it goes. Momentum is a huge thing. I didn't pitch well to start the game. They had all the momentum. Cole's throwing a no-hitter. We get a couple guys on and air here or there. And all it took was one hit from Freddie and then it was, then it was game on. So you're intense on the mound. You look like you are, and it's funny, Dave Roberts is the nicest guy. It feels like. He is. And you, you pitch sometimes angry. A little bit. You are, I mean,

you're like intimidating looking. So when you were, coming today, I'm like, this guy, he's got an edge. When Roberts comes to the mound, do you guys, is it always like an understanding? Do you ever fight to stay in? What are those, because you're a very intense guy out there and you're not in person, but you are on the mound. When Dave comes out there, has it ever gotten intense? No. Every time he's come out, he, he has signaled before he got out there that he was going to, to bring in the bullpen. There was only one time where we had a discussion And it was my first home start against the pirates. And I got through five innings and, you know, he comes over to me and I know he's going to tell me,

hey, you're done. And I just kind of look at him. I just was like, no. And he was like, what do you mean? I was like, no, I'm good. I felt like that day I could throw 150 pitches and my arm was going to be fine. And I had plenty of tank. And he just, and he was like, okay.

And he walked back and I went out and I, you know, I threw. 110 pitches or whatever it was like and he come he come he came out to get me i didn't finish the inning and you know some of the pitchers were like i we even like seen that where we let a we let a guy go over 100 pitches it's your second start here and i was like i don't know man i felt like i could throw 150 pitches today and doc to to his credit was like okay like if you if you you say you got it like sure and he let me go out and i you know pitched well for for that inning didn't get out of it and he came and got me at the right time. So that was the only time.

Otherwise, the discussions on the mound, we haven't had any. It was usually, hey, you know, good job, we're going to get you. Or, you know, I didn't pitch well. And it was like, hey, we're going to go win this game, which is kind of how game five was. It was like, hey, we're going to pick you up. We got you. Obviously, you knew before you got here how great Otani was.

What was the moment when he was a teammate? It could have been at the cage. It could have that you went, all right, that's, different. Oh, there was a, there was a ball that he, he hit. It was against Colorado, against Kyle Freeland, and he, and he took a pitch that was up and in left on left, and he, and it was a pitch up here, and he hit it out to left center, and he hit it about 10 rows deep into left center, which you don't do as a left-handed hitter at all. And then we all went and watched exactly where the pitch was, and then we saw it's two balls above the zone, and he hit it out,

And we were like, that's, that's not normal. And they had watched him all year and been with him, and everybody was still like, wow, that was, that was incredible. And show is just, you know, he's just, he'll just be like, you know. He looks like a movie star. Yeah, he is. He's a stud. Man, that, that dude is, he's incredible.

And he will, and he's as, he's as cool, common collected as they come. He just, yeah, him showing some emotion is different, but it's, he's awesome. I love that. By the way, Arawan is a very boozy. It's very high end. You've gone total L.A. You've got your own smoothie at Airwant.

My daughter's like, she tells me she goes to Airwant. I'm like, is Dad paying for it? Because I know what it costs to get a smoothie at Airwan. You've got your own smoothie. Yeah. You're uptown. Yeah.

Look at it. Is that yours? Yeah, that's the smoothie right there. Before the big game? Yeah, it was right before the World Series. Congratulations. I appreciate it. Full-blown L.A.

Yeah. What a story. Your mom ran the line. Little League. I think of Sherman Oaks. Yeah, Sherman Oaks. Little League. Your backstory is incredible. You become a Dodger. You're so valuable. And this was a real pleasure. You are

welcome any time. I appreciate that. You know, you're kind of intimidating when you pitch. They told me you were on the show Tuesday, and I'm like, I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to get Jack worked up. But you know what? You do put the classic game face on. Is the day you pitch different?

It's very different. It's very different. I come in. I don't talk to anybody. Really? I think it's a different thing. And guys are, you know, they got to ask, like, do you like to talk on days you pitch? And I just, no. And then they start to realize, like, that's just how you got to be. It is game day.

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you didn't quite know what the offensive identity was because that's what I was. because that's what I watch when I watch the Chiefs. I actually think they do have a great offensive identity. I think they, look, the game's about winning. We talk about points. You talk about, you know, yards, and you talk about penalties and defensive stops. To me, at the end of the game, do you have more points than the other team? That's the maturity of a great team and a great organization.

I played on a lot of teams. Some were a lot of offensive strengths. Some had a lot of defensive strength. Some years we were kind of middle of the packet both, but we played well situationally, third down, red area two minute. Every year, that's the best part about the NFL is the constant transition, the constant change. Now, you see they add D'Andre Hopkins at the trade deadline. So it's like in the end, when you have Patrick Mahomes and it's a one-score game, everyone's always betting on the chiefs. Now, can someone get away from the Chiefs?

I don't know because that defense plays so well. But I don't think Patrick Mahomes is a lesser player because he doesn't have 25 touchdowns at this point. It's just he's not playing with guys that can produce that from the receiver position. So that naturally Patrick's job is to, and I covered him a few weeks ago when I said the job of the quarterback is to manage all the variables of the game and the season, injuries, whether the. rhythm of the offense and then ultimately go out there and make the plays that put you in a position to win. And that's what winners do. And certainly Patrick is that. And then he's got Andy Reid there who's as great of a coach in NFL history. He's on the kind of the Mount Rushmore of coaches. So you have this consistency of this organization from owner, general manager, coach,

quarterback, and then to me a defensive coordinator in Spags that the way that defense plays puts them in a position to win every single week. So it's obviously they can be beat. There's probably games where they could have been beat this year. But every game is decided by a few plays. And the reality of the Chief's team is they always find a way to make the plays when it matters. You know, I remember when Randy Moss played with you when you guys brought a new player in. And you had talked at the time, you're like, you know, Belichick and you were like, he's just smart and he knows football.

So obviously, DeAndre Hopkins doesn't know the entire playbook yet. But I'm watching them, and I'm like, especially that play in the back of the end zone. I'm like, God, you'd think they'd had 50 practices. What is it about certain receivers with you, like Moss or D'Andre Hopkins? They don't have to know the playbook, but yet I felt like had I just landed on the planet and watched it. I would have never guessed he just showed up at the facility. What was it with Moss? What is it with a veteran receiver that a young receiver just couldn't do?

And that's a great question. So the reality is, is a great receiver. Well, any receiver that's a veteran knows what a practice weeks looks like. They know how to run all the routes in the offense. Now, they may not know exactly where to line up because everyone has their variations of words and descriptive words they use to get people aligned, to get the protections organized, and then to call routes. Some people use number systems. Some people use words that people have to memorize. some people use a one-term word that tells everybody what to do.

Kansas City does it kind of a myriad of different ways. And then once DeAndre can really comprehend that, he's going to say, oh, okay, that's what I used to call this outcut in Tennessee was like this, or in Houston it was like Smith, but in KC, it's like this, but I still know how to run the route. So you have these veteran players that have the experience to run the routes, to know the offenses, it's not like, you know, when he played for Tennessee, the field was a different size. It's the same rules. It's the same routes.

It's ultimately just how you call him. So once he gets out there and he's confident in what he has, you know, he's going to look like DeAndre Hopkins always has, which is, you know, he's got good quickness. He's got great catch radius. He's got this ability in situational place to make catches like that. And certainly as a red area target, and I just think if you look at the chiefs and their injuries, at the receiver position to add someone like DeAndre who has that veteran presence

and no game's going to be too big for him. He's played a lot of big games. So that always gives the quarterback a lot of confidence. I remember playing with certain rookie receivers. Literally it was like the first day of OTAs. And I'd call like, hey, run a slant. And he'd look at me like a slant. Okay.

And that's kind of the most generic route. Right. Since we were running those in parking lines, lots, you know, with your friends. And there was a few guys I play with that would, they'd start the route slow. Then they'd speed up into the break. Then they'd slow down coming out of the break. And then they'd look for the ball. And I'd look at it on and be like, what the hell was that? You know, like there's such a, there's such a learning curve that needs to happen from a rookie player. Whereas when you get someone like DeAndre, you go, hey, DeAndre, run a slant. And it looks

like a slant. It looks great. It's fluid. It's smooth. You can play it. So with the rookie, there's such a learning curve. There's so many things to learn that you're never going to get that type of production in a short period of time of the rookie that you can get with a veteran, unless that's just a very special rookie. And I've had some of those, those guys to me are more anomalies than kind of what the norm is. I know you probably haven't sat and watched too many Denver games or Bears games, but with the young quarterbacks. Obviously, they grew up in a different environment than you, seven-on-seven camps, way more snaps by the time they're 15 than you had. But go back to your career. I remember you doing an interview with Jay Glazer once, and you're like, I've seen everything, dude. You could throw anything at me. When was the time in your career? You're pretty a learned guy. You're very committed.

How long did it take? You know, they always talk about things slow down a little. How long? Mahomes said it was year three. What was it for you? The question. The answer is it progressively gets more and more. And I would say maybe at year one.

it's 50% of the way that you want it. And then year two, it's 60%. And ultimately you're trying to get to 100%. But even I think for Patrick, if I look at his situation and his development, he was very lucky to sit behind. And Patrick, let me get this out of the way. He is a phenomenal player. To me is he, Lamar, Josh Allen.

You're talking about the upper echelon, as we all know. And Patrick is going to go down as one of the greats ever for a number of reasons. But if I look at him, he, went to college at Texas Tech. He had Cliff Kingsbury there with him for three years. An NFL caliber coach running a lot of NFL caliber type calls and methodologies on what he's doing. So he had three years of that. Then he goes to the chiefs and he's got Alex Smith as the guy that's ahead of him who's a phenomenal player, great leader, does everything the right way. And then he's got Andy Reed as his play caller. So it's like there's a reason why it all works and there's this,

development that happens and why Patrick has been able to ascend so quickly. And he would have found a way to ascend at some point anyway. I'm just saying I could never have reached this area of growth that I needed to, whether that was year one or three or five, it was accelerated because all the things that I had in place. When I was in college, I ran a pro style offense. I got drafted. I had Bill Belichick teach me. I got to sit behind Drew Bledso. I worked really hard. I worked really hard to learn all those things and embrace the challenge. And I think when you're a young quarterback, ultimately that's what you're trying to do. Be in a situation where you can learn, grow, develop. It's all about mentorship. It's all about the people that come in your life.

I see Bo Nicks from Denver. He's got Sean Payton there. He's a phenomenal coach. He's going to get great coaching. They're going to have great scheme. A lot of times the first reads for him are going to be open because he's got a great play caller that knows how to design things. So then you go On the other side of it, you know, I've seen a lot of quarterbacks that don't make it. Maybe they wouldn't have made it anyway. But I'm just saying there's a potential that they could have. Look at Sam Darnold now. He's playing really well in Minnesota.

He's got a good coach. He's got a good scheme. He's got some good receivers. He's playing well. You know, when he was at the Jets, he didn't have all those things quite in place. So we always have to look at, I think, the physical makeup of these young players. What are they capable of? Are they, do they have good arms?

Do they have great arms? Are they athletic? Can they get out of the pocket? Can they? And then to me, there's a mental element that always comes into quarterback play. And I said in this last game against Green Bay, it was watching Green Bay Lions this last weekend. I said, there's no way for me to really see sustained success in the NFL at the quarterback position if you don't have total control of what's being done out on the field. If you're expecting you're a coach to call a play from the sideline and that play is going to come into your helmet, going to call it. You're going to walk to the line of scrimmage. And that play is going to be successful, regardless of the defensive look, you're out of your mind. That's not the way it works. The defense calls

plays to stop you. And they have their own tendency. So it's up to the quarterback ultimately to decide, okay, I got a play called. I see what the defense is doing. Is this play going to work or not? If it's going to work, you run it. If it's not, what do I need to do to survive the down or what do I need to put us in a position to be really successful. That to me is the operational control the quarterbacks need. And the problem is with the development of high, of college programs now, they're not getting developed in the same way. Now they get to a pro program. And a lot of NFL programs, there's so much money going around. You know, the need to develop is guys can sign one or two contracts and not develop and still make a great living. So I would love to see the quarterback

play continue to evolve and grow. It's only going to come from more time on task, more time with your coaches, more understanding of what your roles and responsibility are. You're supposed to develop a toolkit as a quarterback to deal with what you see on the game every single day. I've seen Jared Gough, again, covering him this last game. It was awesome to watch. In L.A., he had a great system. He had McVeigh to learn under. He brought that. He comes to a phenomenal program in Detroit right now, where to me they're doing a lot of things the right way. Their offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson says, all right, Jared, we're going to put more and more on your plate. We're going to give you a great opportunity to succeed. And you have to have the ability to

process a lot of information, which is one of Jared's strengths to actually implement all those things. And when you do it well, to me, that's what gives you a great chance to win every single week in the NFL. So Bill Belichick said a couple of weeks ago when I asked about Detroit, He's like, they've got everything offensively. You hope they make a mistake, and you just called the game. And Green Bay's got a good team. It looked like older brother, younger brother. Let me teach you how to play football.

Go back. I mean, Detroit O-line, tackles, run game, tight end, quarterback. Go back to your career. Because I felt like Green Bay very quickly was like, we're a little out of our element here. This is a really, really. So go back to your career. Was there ever a. team you played. And you may not have said this to your teammates, but you thought to yourself,

I'm not sure they have a weakness. Like that, that is pro bowlers everywhere. I watch Detroit's offense, Tom. I don't know what the weakness is. Deep ball, slants, slots. Did you ever face a team like that where you looked at the personnel and thought it's almost a perfect offense? I would say the only, I would say the early Colts offenses we faced. They had Saturday day. They had Terry Glenn tied in. They had Pollard. They had at times Dallas Clark. They had Marvin. They had Reggie. They had Stokely. They had Edrin. They were so good. And I'm lucky I didn't have to go against them. To me, it was great. Belichick would say, guys, listen, this would be a Wednesday meeting. Understand this. They are going to move the ball on us. They're two.

good. They got so many guys. They're going to go up and down. We need to play good red area defense. And we're going to work on red area defense on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday, because that's going to decide the game. They're going to get the ball down there, which is a great humility from a coach, who's a defensive coach, who's essentially the coordinator to say, these guys are so good, we're not going to just, you know, pull the wool overrise and thinks that we're going to keep these guys the 240 yards off. They're going to have yards. What we need to do is keep the points down. If we can keep the points down and offensively, we can control the game.

We can run the ball. And then we can score points. We're going to give ourselves a best chance to win. That, to me, is complimentary football. Right. So when you play the Lions, the only way to beat them is to play a style where the offense complements the defense and then the kicking game does their job. Sometimes when you punt, you play great field.

position. Okay, offensively, the best defense against the lion's offense to me is to me is possess the football. You don't want to make it a track meet against a team that can run it. They throw it to their tight end. They throw it to their receivers. When they get Jameson William back, they have the explosive receiver. So there's so many, and they go for it on fourth downs so often.

You know, you got to stop them from four downs, not just three, which is a really hard thing to do. So there's a lot of challenges that the lions are presenting. And look, the one game they did lose this year, they were one of six in the red area. That's right. Against the bucks. Yep. So to me, they got a great offense.

And they got a lot of humility. They got a great culture. To me, they're doing so many things the right way in the NFL right now. So you're calling the San Francisco game this weekend. When, you know, and I think Brock's a good player. But I also think, and you're a great example of this. Executives miss all the time on players. Antonio Gates and Tony Romo weren't draft.

There's players all over. I watched the kid for the Rams this weekend. Some undrafted safety had his fourth pick. There's talent everywhere. What was the thing when the first time you saw Brock Purdy? Obviously, you weren't wowed by his size. His arm strength is good enough. What was the first thing that you saw?

I wouldn't see this. You would see this and you thought, that guy's pretty good. Like, is there something that you see because you played the position, a tell like in poker that you were like, yeah, that this kid's going to work. Sure. So I think it's poise and composure. It's calm under chaos. That's what the quarterback needs to do.

And he walks into that huddle. Needs 10 other guys looking at him go, all right, man, you're totally under control. And whatever you say, we're going to do to our best because we know you're going to deliver. And they all have that confidence in Brock is a player. And you're right. Brock's not the biggest.

his arm strength isn't like Aaron Rogers, but if he can play with anticipation, and this offense, to me, even studying the last few days, is a lot different than the one that they had last year and the year before. They had so many weapons the last couple years. You know, Brock essentially was a point guard out there, just delivering balls to halfbacks

and flip it out there to D-Bone, gain yards. And then he's got IEUK, you know, catching in cuts and running for a lot. He's oh, you forgot about Kittle. Boom, we're going to throw over the top of you there. This offense has been in and out of a lot of their great players. And I think getting McCaffrey back is so important for this offense because he provides that passing threat out of the backfield that they just haven't had this year.

So now the defense has to come up closer to the line of scrimmage to defend the run with Christian as well as the past. And that, to me, opens up more the intermediate and deeper parts of the field for Brock, where they've kind of been throwing more to these intermediate type targets on the field, which I don't think is necessarily the strength of that offense. So if they can get back, if they can get Christian back, playing well, with Mason and McCaffrey,

wow, that's a great group. Then at receiver, obviously, Luce and Iyuk is a brutal loss. But they drafted Pearsall in the first round. He's going to get his legs underneath them. You've still got Jennings, who to me is one of the most underrated receivers in the NFL, performed so well in the Super Bowl.

ton of confidence in him. And then Debo, his versatility. You still got Ushek, who's a ridiculous chess piece for Kyle. And then you have Kittle who can turn up from time to time and go, holy cat, we almost forgot about him. And then not to mention a phenomenal offensive line. So they still have all the pieces in place. Now, they've kind of always seemed to turn around their season around the buy week. This is when they need to do it. They just had their by week. We'll see, you know, if they get Greenlaw back on defense, that would be a huge boost. Unfortunately, what they really miss on defense, they lost Hargrave. They lost his interior rusher.

So now it's really kind of a one-man show with Bosa on the perimeter. But if they can get Greenlaw back and get him playing close to the way that he was playing in there with Warner, you have one of the best handums in the league, if not the best at linebacker. They rush the quarterback a little better. and then that secondary unit, which has always got a lot of tight coverage, they can capitalize on offensive mistakes. So I would never count out the 49ers. I think they're so well coached.

They got a great system in place, a great culture of guys that know how to win. You know, those are all the things you look for with the Niners. Seven Rings. Tom Brady, Fox Sports, taking time for us today. Tom, I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. Great talking to your partner.

All right. I'm here for you anytime. You know that. All right. Thanks, Tom. I appreciate that. This is the herd best of. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what?

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Andy Reid, coach of the Super Bowl back-to-back winning Chiefs is joining us. You know, I'm thinking about this. Spags has been around forever. Chris Jones is a veteran. Travis Kelsey is, Mahomes is. Do you ever, Andy, I mean, you guys have been in so many close games in a row, do you ever just go to your guys, the bedrock guys? And do they ever come to you? You're so close and you've had so much success.

And do they ever come to you and say, Andy, we've got to take the shells off today? Andy, we can't hit the day. Or are you just going to go, listen, guys, this is football, it's tough. What's the communication like between you and those veteran spags? Chris, all those guys. Yeah, so with the players, I've got a players committee, Colin. So they let me know where they're at and how they're feeling. And I try to check with them.

And it's important that in today's world, we talk about recovery and keeping guys fresh and all of that. So I keep my ears open. And I'm always listening and asking questions. And they're willing to share, which is a good thing. So I had defended Travis Kelsey in the first couple of weeks. I said my guess is Andy's trying to establish. Rishi Rice is a number one target. He's trying to get Xavier Worthy worked in.

This isn't Travis issue. It's let's get the young receivers up to speed. So let's start with Worthy, who is a remarkably fast kid. Not a lot of guys run like him. I don't see him as a volume guy, but I think he's really important. Do you see him as a guy that can be 12 targets, nine catches? How do you see him? Yeah, I think he'd love him, Colin.

I know Sark told me he was his favorite guy, which I probably shouldn't say, but he really liked the kid. And he's a California kid too, Colin. So I'm partial to him a little bit. But he's very smart and he's got great football instincts and loves to play. A lot like Deshaun Jackson and his football knowledge and his ability. So I'm not sure I want to take him through the middle of the defense every play. But I know he can endure some hits and he knows how to avoid hits,

which is a plus at his size. You know, Gronk had this and Travis Kelsey does, and maybe in old Antonio Gates. They just have an ability to get open on big plays. Is it, and they're willing blockers, which always helps. Travis doesn't run. No tight end runs in year 10 on like they ran their second year in the league. You ask him to block. It said, Gronk got slow, but he was valuable.

If I said to you, give me the assets of Travis Kelsey, all things considered, hand, speed, knowledge. What to you makes him special and different than other tight ends historically? Phenomenal instincts and ability to play in space. I would tell you the second and none of the guys that I've been around since I've been in the league and watching this thing. So he just has a knack. He's quarterback friendly, which you can appreciate. People don't know that you were a quarterback, but I'm telling him that. And so you know that, you know that that guy, he's closest to you and he becomes very valuable.

And so, and then he's got a, you know, he's one of those football savant guys, player savants. He knows exactly what's going on. He knows all the positions. And he does a great job with all that. One of the reasons teams don't win three in a row, and it's harder now than ever, because it's a much more mobile league. Guys get richer. They have endorsements.

They get distracted. So during the offseason, you're sitting there looking at your trophies and things. how do I avoid apathy? And how do you? Is it something you brought into camp? Is it a talking point? Andy, nobody's done this. And Shula's had great teams.

And Belichick and Bill Walsh, they had the personnel to win three straight. And the league wasn't even as mobile as it is now. You've had injuries. How do you attack that? Or do you? Yeah, no apathy for the trophies. I have apathy for Tommy Berger's, not the trophy.

But I just try to, I step back and I understand, Colin, what it, what it takes to play in this league. It's not easy. And so training camp is going to remain the same. You better get yourself. You can do whatever you want in the off season, but you better be prepared. And the guys know that, and the veteran players know it. And so they come back in good shape. They work their tails off in the offseason.

and then once a season comes around, they're ready to go. And we don't talk about the trophies. We don't look at the trophies and do all of that stuff. We understand that the competition level is so high in this league and the parity is so close that we've got to make sure we stay on our A game every day. And that's the way we go about it. Spags, do you ever override him on anything or does he run the show defensively?

I mean, do you ever have to go? can we discuss this? Can we talk about that? I know you have so much respect for him. Where's the line on that? Yeah, I'm lucky to have these coordinators at all three spots. And Spaggs has a great job. I let him roll with what he does and nobody does it better. I mean, he's a great teacher, most of all, and has a tremendous mind for the game. So very fortunate that way, as I am on the offensive side with Nags and then with Tobe. So they're all, they all do their thing.

And I just kind of jump in when I need to jump in and have some fun with it. Andy Reid, Kansas City Chiefs, the standard in the NFL. As always, great seeing you. You always give us time. I appreciate that, coach. Yeah, thank you, Colin. You're the best, man. All right.

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