The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Looking at the Eagles season

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Colin talks to Fox Sports NFL analyst Greg Olsen as he explains how the Eagles went from a sluggish 2-2 start to another trip to the Super BowlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So let's bring them on first. Greg Olson live, Fox Sports, 14 years, three-time Pro Bowl. A great teammate here at Fox. So I want to start. I'm going to get to eventually, you had the Eagles three times this year. I'm going to get to that. and you also had Chief's Eagle Super Bowl. I'm going to get to that.

I want to start with the coaching hires. So I'm a big believer in every team needs something different. I thought Pete Carroll to the Raiders is a great hire. You played with him in Seattle for a couple years. For Raider fans, what will Pete provide? Because you always felt really, you really liked Pete, if I recall. Yeah, so I think the thing when it comes to Pete, and again, I had him just for one season, in Seattle. I think there's so, and I told everyone when I came home, I'm like, there was a lot of

things. If every one day, there was a magic wand, you said, okay, you're in charge of a team, and you've got to run team meeting, and you've got to handle situational play calling during the week and preparation and how to model week to week practice schedules and communication and vision, all of that, Pete is A-plus. He is as organized and as diligent and as good as anybody I ever been around in all of those things. I think the question that comes with a guy like Pete, you're going to get the leadership and the experience, all of that is a given. I think the question you get with a hire like Pete is no different than any other defensive coach. And you touched on it. I was listening to your last segment before the break. And it's no different than with Aaron Glenn or whoever the

defensive coaches. The number one question is who is your offensive coordinator and how do you figure out the quarterback position? You could be the greatest leader. You could be the greatest galvanizer and run the best locker room and run the best. If your offense isn't good, defensive coaches get fired. So it's kind of funny, you look at, you know, you look at Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, or you look at offensive coaches. When their offense is really good and their defense struggles, the defensive coordinator gets replaced.

When defensive coaches, Robert Sala, for example, when he got fired, they were a top five defense in the league. It was the offense that was struggling. Aaron Rogers wasn't playing up to expectations. The offense was underachieving. And they fired the defensive guy. So like, it's just, it's the quandary that these defense. coaches find themselves in, and I don't think it's their fault, everybody wants a good offense.

Whether you're winning and losing, everybody wants a good offense. Offensive coaches, when they're the head coach, it takes a long time for them to get fired. They probably only get fired if they don't have a good, they don't have a good offense or obviously a star quarterback. And you look at McDermott, you look at some of the really long time, really good defensive coaches, they're able to weather the storm of the ups and downs of being on the defensive side because they have Hall of Fame quarterback. So if he can bring in a young Russell, you know, Russell Wilson,

and he can figure it out as quickly as he did in Seattle, he's a home run. Yeah. You had told me you were devastated when you were drafted by Chicago and traded because you and I both share this. We love Chicago as a city. It's big, the architecture, the people, the passion, the food. It's one of North America's great hubs. So for Ben Johnson, you know, he'd go there for a couple days with the Lions.

playing in Chicago. Explain what it's like, the bigness, the volume, the intensity, what's Ben going to face? Yeah, I mean, my first four years in Chicago, it's a special place. And I remember when I got drafted there, I was coming out of Miami. But again, for anyone that's been to Miami, it's a city. It's not really like a college football town. It has a lot of other perks and a lot of other fun aspects in the tradition of the program. But it's not Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

It's not Athens, Georgia, right? It's not one of those towns. Then you go to Chicago, and it's this big metropolitan, big city. But on game day, during the fall, it feels like a small college town. It feels like you are, everyone there is living, breathing, dying with the bears. And it's just a really fun, passionate fan base. And to add a guy like Ben Johnson, who seems to have been kind of the bell of the ball over the last three hiring cycles, he's been very calculated on the interviews that he's taken, on the jobs that he's turned down,

and he was waiting for the right Nick. So, I mean, you could, I thought watching his press conference, you could see it on his face. That's a roster that has some built and wins. I always kind of judge a job, like as far as would you take that job saying, like, by just getting organized and just kind of getting everything set up, how many wins are built into that roster? And I think at some teams, the roster is kind of maxed out under the previous coach, and you've got a lot of building to do.

And then I think at other teams like Chicago, I think there's wins baked into that roster with Ben Johnson and his ability to develop Caleb Williams and his ability to handle those end-of-game situations that Chicago let them kind of get away and that's the difference between winning three or four more games. So it's a fun fan group. They've been looking for a star quarterback and stability at head coach.

You know, the last stability they had was Lovie, you know, and they let him go through a 10-win season. So they're hoping that this is the head coach quarterback combination for a long time. So you called three different Eagle games. So you saw this offense improve and mature. I said the other day, I said there are drives when I watched Philadelphia. And I think, how do they ever punt? I mean, literally, it's like nine Pro Bowl players.

How do they ever punt? What did you see? Show me the growth that you saw in the three games. Were they different? Was it the same thing? I said, so we called that crazy game against Washington where, you know, Hertz went out in the first quarter. Saquan got off to the crazy start. He had like 100 yards in the first quarter. Then Jaylor Hertz got hurt. He went down. They went to the backup and it kind of spiraled on him. And, you know, Jane Daniels came back and took him down to win that unbelievable game.

And I remember we came on to the broadcast. And I was very clear. I was like, make no mistake about it. this is the best roster in football. This is the best team in football. And we can spend all this time talking about the offensive skill positions and, of course, the offensive line. And I know Hertz comes under fire. Here's what I will say about Hertz. When he plays on time from the pocket.

And it's kind of an interesting conversation because you look at him and you think back to his time in college and you look at him and the physicality and he's an athlete and he can run. And usually going into games against quarterbacks like him, you say, hey, keep him in the pocket. make them, you know, don't let him scramble. I think Jaylin's actually better when he plays on time and he plays from the pocket. He can beat you as a scramble runner, but I think it's really the scramble passing

that he doesn't necessarily do like some of the other, quote unquote, scramble quarterbacks. But you look at the offensive line and the group they have, they have the best two offensive tackles in the league. They're getting all of their eligibles out into the formation every single play because on most teams, you're chipping edges. You're running back is helping out on. a backside tackle. But with Milata and Lane Johnson, you're blocking five on five pretty much every

play. And all of a sudden, you've got Sequin and Kenneth Gainwell into the checkdown. And if you don't back up, I got A.J. Brown and Devante Smith putting a ton of pressure, deep layers into my secondary. And then the magic of it all was adding Saquan. And I think there's this conversation of, oh, my God, I can't believe this would have been the Giants if it was Seekwon. And it would not have. It's just the combination of Sequin's unique ability and the scheme and the system he went into was the perfect marriage. So you factor all of the offense on top of a Vic Fangio defense that went from pretty much last to first in the league and defense. And I agree. If this was a best of five series, I'm not sure if you're beating, if any team in the league is beating Philly best of five.

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And this was really at the onset of the quarterback sneak and the tush push and how they use third and fourth down to their advantage. And they wanted to get a lead and they put so much pressure on you early in games by going forward on fourth down. And we talked a lot about how third down they would actually just treat. second because they knew they always in their back pocket had another yard and a half to two yards with the quarterback sneak. And it turned into just like an offensive slug fest. I mean, both teams scored 35 plus. And Jailen Hurts probably played the best game of the season. And he was the runner-up MVP to some homes that year, which is saying a lot. He had the one fumble that they scooped and scored outside of that. He was incredible. He had the deep touchdown to A.J. Brown. They were

efficient. They didn't run the ball real well. Jalen Hertz was, he was their leading rusher that game. They didn't get a lot out of Miles Sanders and the rest. So I think that's obviously going to be a little bit different. But listen, it's pretty remarkable that, you know, it seems like what the last couple years, it's been Kansas City and then a rematch. And they got San Francisco again last year and pulled it off at the end. And, you know, we'll see now they get another, you know, Philadelphia gets another crack at him here in two weeks. finally yesterday i said there's a lot about

Steve Spagnola and Andy are so good and they've been so good for so long and it does help when you have Mahomes it's easy to be a great poker player when you always have the best cards right that that helps and i think the chiefs front seven defensively and macduffey on the corner i think it's really underrated i think chris jones a hall to famer but the tush push bothered me because i felt very early in the game The reason it works in Philly is that Jalen Hertz is 5-11, squat 600 pounds.

He literally disappears into a wall of green. They practice it. They're all in. It is the standard of the tush push. And then Buffalo telegraphs it, always goes left. He's 6-7. He jumps up with a ball in the air, and I'm like, guys, he's a pinata. Justin Herbert tried that once and quit doing it.

I don't like questioning coaches. It drove me nuts. The constant, hey. I mean, McDermott said, we kind of let Josh just, you know, go make a play. I don't think you beat Andy Reid that way. But now you played in that. He had success in the regular season doing that. Am I being overly critical on that tush-push?

And if you have Josh, use him? Yeah, I mean, I understand. In certain situations, that play is your highest percentage ability to convert on third or fourth and short, whatever the down-and-distance is, especially when you have such a physical body at the quarterback position. And I remember for years with Cam, we ran a lot of quarterback sneaks. Now, we didn't get everybody up there behind them to push

because how we used to do it with Cam, again, different than how Philly has really kind of revolutionized that no one does it as good as them. But when we used to do it, we used to have a design play. So we would call a play in the huddle that was, you know, a two back power or a quarterback, whatever, a pass play, a run play, whatever the play was. And then we would alert into the quarterback sneak.

So what that allowed us to do was, if you didn't cover up all the interior gaps and play your linebackers in a walked up position and really sell out in the two A gaps between the guard and the center, we would then just alert one word and make the call, set hut, and everyone would turn it into quarterback sneak. And then if you wanted to be everyone up on the middle, everyone's head over the ball, we had another play. The back was at normal distance, the wide receivers or whatever the formation were, we're at normal splits and alignments. So we didn't have to run it into every look. And I think what's happened is these teams around the league have seen Philadelphia be able to say, it doesn't matter if you bring in 50 players. You can line up the entire team in the A gaps, and they're going to get it at 98% clip. It's just not the case for everybody else.

So as Kansas City continued to sell out, as they continue to squeeze down their edges and put so many bodies in the box with the approach that Josh has, which is take it, kind of back up and run almost off tackle, sweep to the left. The timing is just a little different. The bodies are a little bit different. And, you know, they got it a couple times. And, of course, they didn't get it on the big one. So I think people don't realize just how hard it is to do what Philadelphia does

and the amount of pressure it puts on defenses. When you get the ball and it's like first and eight in your mind, because you know if you get the fourth down, I got a yard or two as a gimmie, what that does for a play caller, I don't know if we spend enough time talking about how much, how important that is for the philosophy in which how Philadelphia and teams like that play.

Yeah. You're good at what you do. Three Pro Bowls, 14 seasons in the NFL. Next time you get invited to a big wedding, though, you could invite me, you could have given me a text or something. I would have loved to have joined you this. That's on McCaffrey. It kind of is on, Christian.

Good seeing you, buddy. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. All right. Great Greg Olson. Boy, that Buffalo, Kansas City game, I haven't watched it again. I usually midweek NFL Network will have a game on. About Wednesday I'm sitting around. You know me, T-Totler, going to bed at like 745.

What do you roll in your eyes at? And I'll watch games for a second time. My wife will be like, that game was just on Sunday. And I'm like, yeah, now I get clarity. You ever done that with a movie? The movie was so good you went the next day to watch it? Because you got so uptight a moment. Recently, Dune.

Dune 2? Did you see that, by the way? They're supposed to be great. Amazing. And it was on cable again the next day. I was like, I'm going to watch this again. It was that good. But I would not watch Chief Bills again.

No. Not with some of those calls in the second half. It's a joke, Chiefs fans. Stand down. It's okay. Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. Cowboys, Brian Schottenheimer, the Cowboys, new head coaches, starting to build a staff. He has hired Drumroll, please. Matt Iberfluse as his defensive coordinator. I don't mind, man. That's not bad. It's not terrible.

He's good D.C. I think he's good D.C. I think he's really good D.C. We'll see. Will he be better than Zimmer? I don't know. Yesterday, when the Cowboys' new head coach was introduced, he had some pretty big checks, he think.

His quarterback will be able to cash. My vision for him is he's one of the best. And through the coaching that he's going to get. through the hours and hours and hours of time that he and I will spend together, he's going to play elite-level football, and he's going to lead us to championships. Okay. I like Iber Fluse.

We'll see. You know, Jerry saved a lot of money on this hire. No, great. Billionaire saving money. Love that. How about build a great staff? Iber Fluse is not cheap. Go buy a great staff.

Who is that? Bobby Sloick, go get him as your O.C. Listen, I've said this. I'm not, I think Brian Schoenheim is a nice guy. But Bobby Sloick just got let go in Houston. Spend the money on the staff. I mean, the Raiders are paying now four head coaches and three general managers. You got money in Dallas. My counter to that is if you're Sloic and you look around the landscape, and yesterday you and I said this, like Schottnheimer could be gone in a year or two, right?

Right. Why would you want to attach yourself to that team when you're just, going to be looking for work again in the near future. Wouldn't it be smarter to pick a really good job where you think you'll be hanging out? Like Pete Carroll, not going to get run off by the Raiders anytime soon, right? He's a professional coach. The Raiders are cycling through guys. I think that's a more stable job than this Dallas situation, no?

I wouldn't say stable and Raiders. I think Pete's there for the long term. But my take is if I don't love, like I think what, what Ben is, What Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago with the Bears is really smart. He goes and gets, he's going to be a mentor for a 28-year-old Whiz kid. You know he's not going to be leaving him anytime. Nobody's going to hire a 29, 30-year-old coach, right? And then he's going to get a defensive coordinator, Dennis Allen, who's not going to get another head coaching job.

And Chicago's a fun city to play, and so Dennis to coach it. So Ben Johnson has done the best job to me of hiring a staff. I want to watch Pete. I think Brable did a good job. But a lot of this is, do you get, if you are an offensive coach, you don't worry about OC. You got to get the DC right. And I think, so Chicago, I think Dennis Allen's a very good DC hire. And I think Schottenheimer, I think Iber Flues is an excellent defensive higher.

So it's interesting the way you contrasts Chicago and Dallas. I just thought, like, if you were making a list of the most interesting teams to you for this coming season. Interesting. In the NFC, I don't care about ratings or any of that. Just interest to you. Are the Dallas Cowboys in the NFC, even top 10? Top of my head, I don't know. I would say most interesting teams, Minnesota, if they move off Darnel with J.J. McCarthy, I want to see them play.

You know Washington's interesting. They're 100,000 percent. Chicago, obviously, Ben Johnson and Caleb. I think Chicago is probably number one with Ben and Caleb. Yep. I think Minnesota with J.J. McCarthy, who was so good in the preseason, is really interesting to me. I mean, the Rock Purdy stuff. Like, I just, you go down the list, and I'm thinking, like, Dallas just, I'm just, I'm

I don't see the juice. I would make this argument. And we've been saying this for years. The Kansas City Chiefs are America's team. They are America's team. They have a superstar quarterback that's likable. They're the best team. Taylor Swift is connected.

They're in the middle of the country. They've always had a good brand. I mean, Kansas City's been good a lot of times. I have not asked Fox because we have NFC over AFC. Yeah. I believe America's team is. I mean like Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm sorry, like the days of people

really caring about Baltimore to me is much better watch than Pittsburgh. Okay, so you say America's team, but if you removed Pennsylvania and Kansas City, you removed the big, where these teams are. I think it's going to get a good rating. Nationwide, who do you think people are rooting for? Chiefs. Philadelphia.

So how can they be America? How can the Chiefs? Yankees are the most popular baseball team. Half the country routes against them. The Warriors, the Warriors felt like for about eight years they were the face of the league not the Lakers or Celtics so I think I think part of being America's team is your you have to be good well nobody's gonna I mean San Antonio Spurs were great they were barely Texas's team they weren't that interesting so I think Kansas City is America's team I would say Green Bay is second

and I think and I'll tell you this I think people out east don't understand this I would say the Niners are third. If you go to an NFL game where the Niners, anywhere west of the Mississippi, are playing, the stadium is like 35% Niners fans. Green Bay is a bit of a reach. You think so? Jordan Love walked into a Starbucks in your town.

Does anybody know who he is? I'd buy him a latte and say, young man, I've got your back. Stop throwing interceptions. All right, next story. It's interesting. You mentioned Bobby Sloat, potentially for the Cowboys, because a crazy story just popped up.

Reportedly, C.J. Stroud and his former offensive coordinator, Bobby Sloick got into an altercation? What? During the pre-draft process, according to Lance Zerline. Here he is telling the story. Bobby Sloick is trying to tell him some stuff, and CJ just says, oh, yeah, I know that we call this, whatever it would be, at Ohio State. Maybe it happened a couple times, and Bobby just kind of jumped him and said, I don't give a what you call it Ohio State.

Bobby kind of got in his face about it, you know. CJ's not one to back down at all. The CJ jumped up and got back in his face, and it was very contentious. It had to be kind of broken up. When CJ went to his next draft meeting, I talked to the team where CJ went. They said, we asked CJ how his last visit went, which was Houston. He said, terrible. CJ's whole crew did not want him to go to Houston.

Wow. That is interesting. CJ's whole crew didn't want him to go there. So Bobby didn't get along with CJ Stroughton. That's before he was even on the Texas. That's ugly. Slow it. It's going to be tough.

I mean, assuming this is, Lance Irvine's credible, assuming this checks out. Now, Lance later said in the interview, they squashed it last year during his rookie season. But it is an interesting. Behind the scenes, you and I have had some words. You know, we've gone toe to toe, but we squash it like professional. We never show hands or whatever they say.

That was suss. Or men. We're lying, of course. We're joking. Stroud and Sloick. Throwing hands. Apparently buried the hatchet and they worked through their problems. But wow, that's, that's.

That's a bit of a surprise. Well, Sloat got run out of town, so you knew something was up. I mean, if you don't get along with somebody and have a run-in, even if you don't throw hands, and then you squash it and you get along, that stuff never leaves. Guys are petty. I think it's still back there. It's still in the compartmentalized it, but it's back there. All right, final story, Colin is one team still does not have a head coach.

That's the New Orleans Saints. Weird. Reps for the Saints flew to Philly to interview Kellyn Moore for the second time. Mike McCarthy was a frontrunner, but it seems like maybe he's out of the running. What is happening in New Orleans? Holy cow. Kellynne Moore? He's fine.

I thought he had a good game against the Washington. I think he's like hand the ball off. You know what's happening now? This is what's happening. And I'm talking to a GM last night is that the reality is even the Raiders who are not a big revenue team, They're paying currently three GMs and four coaches because they've had some new people come in and ownership spots. So the reality is these owners now, it doesn't matter.

They're going to roll the dice on somebody young and hot, and if that person doesn't work in two years, they write them a $42 million check and move on and get a new staff. You moved down the list of Eagles responsible for them being in the Super Bowl, and I don't even know if Kellan Moore sniff the top of it, right? It's like Jalen Carter, Jailen Hurts. Sequan Barkley, obviously, would be number one. But, like, Kellan Moore?

I don't particularly see it, but maybe other people do. Yeah, I think it would be a C hire. It'd be a C. Like an Aaron Glenn higher. It's a C, it's fine. Good coordinator, I'm not sure he's a head coach. Throwing hands. What did I call it?

Throwing fists? I called it showing hand. I mean, you don't go to a fight and go, here are my hands? You don't show them. Jazz hands. Look at Coward throwing some punches there. You against Jake Paul next, huh? I love that.

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That's Cabino and Rich. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it

one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast for people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. On Fox Primetime Hoops, two of the Biggie's best tip off as the two-time defending national champion. Yukon Huskies take on ninth-ranked Marquette Saturday at 730 Eastern on Fox. Do you see Arizona beat Iowa State last night? I saw the highlights. I did not watch the game. Iowa State's supposed to be really good.

They are good. Kind of boring uniforms, but Arizona, you know, at the KAL Center. I love that you're getting into college hoops now. Well, I do that every late January. I start watching it. Should we look at some games on the card tonight or to want? Well, you bet college basketball. I haven't, you know, two and three on Saturday, so I was a little ticked off.

I paid you to give me picks. I don't think we should talk about this on air. That's how good you are. It's not a bad idea. You're so good on your college basketball picks. It's kind of daunting. I'm kind of intimidated. This guy's breaking down Duquesne Xavier tonight.

The over. I was not, I'm not giving that out, by the way. It is. So Nick and I were talking about this. It's interesting. When you watched Michael, it's funny, I can remember being on a couch watching Michael Jordan play against Barclay in the finals. And I remember saying this to somebody I was with, I was like, he's the best player on the floor, and it was a great finals with a bunch of players. Like I was in Vegas, a bunch of great players.

I think it was Kevin Johnson, Barkley, Pippen, Jordan, I mean, all sorts of great players. And Barclay was very good in that series. Dan Marley. I'm like, it's almost like he's just effortlessly. the best player in the game. And I feel that with like, when you watch O'Tonnie with the Dodgers, you're like, I mean, Mookiee Betts is great. Freddie Freeman's amazing.

O'Tonnie didn't even pitch this year. He's an ace as a pitcher. And when you watch Mahomes, you know, Michael Jordan, even though Bill Russell had 11 titles, you watch Jordan and you're like, yeah, this is the best basketball player I'd ever seen. Magic was good. Kareem was amazing.

But, you know, it's, I never, That's why I've said. Dan Marino was amazing. He got to one Super Bowl. I'm not, titles don't mean everything now. Obviously, we stack players based on rings, and Brady's the greatest quarterback for a lot of reasons. He had the right size. He had a better than average arm.

He was super smart. He was highly competitive. He was wildly accurate. He was super clutch. I mean, there's a million reasons why he's great. But Mahomes, I was asking Nick Wright, because Mahomes, the biggest fan he has outside of his family is Nick Wright. And there are, though, when you watch Patrick play compared to Peyton and, you know, Brady and all the great ones, you're just like, man, he's doing stuff I've never seen. So I asked Nick, the ultimate Mahomes fan, he's never going to stack the trophies probably that Tom's done.

But how do you consider the debate if he wins three in a row? The guy has been the best player in the league since the first game he played. And we've never seen that before. He's never had a down year. he's never had a down season. So here's what I would say. I think he's the best player ever. I think Tom is the greatest of all time.

I look at those two different things. If Patrick were to pull off a three-peat, I not only do I no longer think he has to get to eight, I don't think he has to get to seven for it to be a consensus opinion. I think if Patrick pulls off a three-peat and gets six rings, then it's like, okay, he's just the good. greatest we've ever seen. And I think one of the

things, as we'll show Mahomes' highlights, is one of the things that I think is really noticeable, and it feels very MJ to me, is that he literally elevates, he goes to another level in these big games. Like, he's always good, but he had

11 rushes in that game. That is so Michael Jordan. Jordan was one player on a Tuesday night against the Raptors. He was another against Charles Barkley in the finals. He was just more intense. and it's not that he was bored, but the human body, you're not going to get the same human being in every game. Now the NFL is going to expand to 18 games.

So, I mean, you're not going to get the same Mahomes in every game. He's going to be dinged up. He's not going to have his right tackle or a starting running back. But I'm watching him in that game. From the very first series on, you're like, oh, he's shifted gears. And Andy Reid, similarly, oh, I'm going to show you the entire playbook. I said this the other night. Or the air day.

Mahomes plays in these big games. Like when you were a kid in the summer and you were like, you know, 14, 15 years old, and your parents said, no curfew tonight, just be safe, go out, you have friends in town, no curfew, but, you know, be reasonable. And you were allowed to have a little more fun than usually mom and dad let you have. That's what I feel the playoff games are, and not just the playoff games, because Houston, it didn't feel that way. First series against Buffalo, oh, it's a different Patrick Mahomes.

And if you didn't watch Jordan play, and many of you didn't, if you're 20 or 30, you didn't see him play live. if you'll watch Jordan when he would face the Utah's or the Cavaliers or like the Pistons, he went from A-plus to A-plus-plus-plus different. Josh Allen was nervous Sunday in his first drive, almost through two picks. I mean, Mahomes was surgical. And that's why I say they all wore red. Tiger on Sunday, Mahomes on Sunday, and Jordan on those big.

close-out NBA games. Just different. Like nothing I've ever seen. And I've said before, the only great athlete I never saw in my life play that I really wish I did was Sandy Kofax, who for three years was virtually unhittable in baseball. Unhidable. I had six good years. Six great years.

Three was unhittable. And so when I see in Mahomes, I'm like, I'm glad I'm around for it. And I know, you know, people take sides. Now, J-MAC does not believe their America's team. He thinks half the country hates them. I think Taylor Swift, if there was a coin flip, I think Taylor Swift is the deciding factor to America's team. If you're on the edge, if it's this team or that. Now, I feel Dallas has fallen.

I thought Pittsburgh fell several years ago. So let's back up. What is the definition of America's team? You will drive the biggest number. Whatever network you go on, you will drive the biggest number, and you will drive the discussion on Monday after the game. It doesn't matter if it's Monday night football Thursday. That's interesting because, I mean, I don't have every single Monday lineup,

but we didn't always lead with the Chiefs on Mondays. This season we probably led with the Cowboys who were a bit of a dumpster side. No, no, no. I think we led a lot with Buffalo. We let a lot with Baltimore, Baltimore. No, I mean, we led with a lot of different teams. Now, I mean, if you're just going by ratings, America's evening, you can basically just look at the numbers and see who drives the people.

But I also, I think, and I've said this before, when I turn the TV on, this is why I always say, Lamar Jackson's great. If Lamar's playing, I never turn the channel. That's the game I... You put four games up Lamar's playing. That's the one I watch, except for Mahomes. But I think when I think of Dallas, I don't even... They're a corner TV game unless they're playing like Philadelphia.

I'm just not that interested in them. It's not even polarizing. They're just boring. Well, again, I've argued this for most of the season. I find the Chiefs this season to be boring. I know they're 18 and 2 or whatever. They don't lose games. I just don't find them like an amazing watch.

I thought Buffalo is a better watch. So did I. Okay. With Josh Allen and Coke. No, I thought this year Buffalo was on average the better watch. But one's in the Super Bowl. The other's not. I know who the better team is.

Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer. Street or Sidell, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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