The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Looking at the elite QBs in the NFL

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

3-time Super Bowl champion Julian Edelman joins the show in studio to share what makes elite QBs special that most people don't understandSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information....

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Starting point is 00:02:02 Super Bowl MVP, three rings so I had Brady on this week and you know Brady hasn't done as much as you so you and I talk you're very natural you're just sitting back there it's cash Tom still not quite totally comfortable so I brought him on the first thing I said is
Starting point is 00:02:19 I can't believe Edelman slot receiver tough guy I'm like yeah he'll be okay and I say I can't believe how good Jules is on the air and here's Tommy He's such an honest, authentic guy, and I think what you saw on the playing field is exactly the way that he approached his after football career too. So nothing Julian does surprises me. He's an incredibly hard worker.
Starting point is 00:02:45 He's very endearing to a lot of people. And I think what you see with him is what we always saw behind the scenes, in the locker room, getting ready for his prep on the field. and you could see why we always had a great relationship because he's just such an authentic guy and I love what he's done in his post football career. Now it's been easier for you a little bit because of expectations, right? Now Tom, Tom's going to be front and center.
Starting point is 00:03:10 How do you think he'll be as a broadcaster? I think he's going to be very prepared. You know, Tom's the type of guy where if he's going to put his foot or he's going to do anything, he's going to bring everything he has and put it into that specific thing. You know, I've talked to him last few weeks, and I mean, this guy's really taken this serious. He understands what the network's giving him. He understands what the people are saying.
Starting point is 00:03:44 And that's the kind of stuff that fuels that guy. Right, right, right. So this is just making his whole situation jumping into football as an underdog, even though he'll be like a very well-paid guy, like extremely paid guy. Like he's still going to create something in his head to make himself go out and perform his best. And he said it on the show.
Starting point is 00:04:04 I think he said it here where he's not going to be the same guy on week one that he is in week 17 because he's going to continually work. He's just not going to put a finished product out there. Tom's the type of guy that's continually trying to refine his routine, refine his game, and make it as efficient and as best as possible. I think he's going to bring that to that.
Starting point is 00:04:23 the booth. Yeah. So it's also, you know, they always say that catchers make good managers in baseball and good broadcasters because they see the game. Second baseman, you got your back to stuff. It is interesting if you and Tom saw the game the same. You know, he's looking, you're in the middle of that stew, that secondary. Tom's watching it. Yeah. And I'm kind of interested. Did you and him ever talk about what he saw was different than what you saw? What I saw is what he saw,
Starting point is 00:04:56 but what I saw was only one third of what he was looking at. Okay, so I was looking at coverage. I was looking at defenders. And so was he. But he was also communicating a play call, communicating a personnel group, going in and dictating the
Starting point is 00:05:12 line on what they have to do. He's looking at the defensive group as a whole. I'm looking at a couple things, and I used to steal things in the offensive meetings where if you saw the bare front, you knew you were to get a man coverage like i would do little stuff like that but not on the same level what tom brady was doing he saw everything and i tried to be on his page that's the kind of guy he was and so when he gets into this booth you know we were all raving about how tony romo saw the field
Starting point is 00:05:37 tony roma was a heck of a heck of a football player yeah really good yeah in tom brady yeah what i want to know what tom brady sees pre-snap what matchups he's looking at pre-snap because whatever he says i mean guy played 23 years and National Football League won seven Super Bowls, playing a million of them. What he sees, no one else sees. So it's going to be interesting, and it's going to be great TV regardless. Okay, so there's two weeks pre-Super Bowl. This is install week, mostly.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Oh, yeah. And then there's, you go to Vegas, you see some friends. So do you install, do the Chiefs and Niners install all of it? Or, like, somebody once told me that coaches leave a little to be installed so players don't get bored. Yeah. What are you doing this first week? So what we would do is we would get healthy. We would kind of take a couple days to self-reflect, self-scout, finish up the last week, finish up the AFC championship, get all those things tied down.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And then we'd have a couple days to get healthy, kind of get away, get your families ready for all the tickets you have to distribute, all the hotels you have to distribute. You want to get all that stuff done right now in these first three, four days. Then back end of the week before you take off for Vegas, you got some competitive practices. We used to have blue and white scrimmage. This was like a self-scout. Let's get some high effort. You know, it's a hybrid practice where you have installation, but we're also working on things we need to work on as a team that we saw over the last three weeks. That'll make us a better version of ourselves.
Starting point is 00:07:13 So we used to have a really competitive couple practices with a little bit of install. Yes, you had keys to the day. You'd have keys to like first and second down on a Thursday. Friday, you're going on third down. And Saturday, you're working on the red area with some room to give for when you get to Vegas. Because once you get to Vegas, you want things to be fast. You want you want guys to be thinking clearly. You want guys like, I remember when we get to Vegas, we already went over a few times with walkthroughs and our competitive practices the week before.
Starting point is 00:07:49 four where we get to the Thursday practice before the Super Bowl and I'm it's third down practice and I I'm I know the script because we've practiced it so much third and four I look we got FZ option that you know this play you know it just becomes second nature becomes instinct and that's kind of where they're at right now at least where we were at we would have the competitive practice going into where the travel week once you get there get everything settled in the early part of this week. You leave, go to Vegas, and then everything's got to be fast.
Starting point is 00:08:24 Let's get back into our routine. Let's get our minds right. Let's get our recovery. Let's refine our routine, try to make it as normal as possible. Okay, so you were part of the longest dynasty in league history. Kansas City is, it's a mini dynasty, but it's become one.
Starting point is 00:08:40 I think getting to another Super Bowl, now it's officially it's a dynasty. Tell me the challenges. Okay, so a lot of guys got the bag. You got the legacy. There's not the pressure to win one. It changes to you are, let me all just ask you. How does pressure change?
Starting point is 00:09:02 Once you all made money, you all got rings, multiple, you all have legacies. You're set for kind of life. Nothing really to prove the second phase of the dynasty, which you're a rare player that had one. It's your second phase. How does it change? Change is because there's an expectation. There's a standard now that you've set with the success that you had in the previous years. And it ultimately comes down to the core group of guys on that team of players and coaches.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Core group being Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Chris Jones, Andy Reed, and Spags. Those are the guys that are the common denominators that have been around for everything. they're going to go out and they're going to show the newer guys, the guys that may not have been in the situation. This is how it's done. You guys got to jump on because if you don't, the train moves on,
Starting point is 00:09:57 we find other guys. That's just how it goes. So it ultimately comes down to your best players, the guys you can lean on. They're the ones that have to motivate. You know, I had Tom Brady. This guy, you know, when I first got there, had three Super Bowls,
Starting point is 00:10:13 played in five almost had the 18 and one i mean he was god when i first got there as a rookie and this guy was working like he was an undrafted free agent still communicating with guys talking still still at the offseason program i he was married to supermod you know this is this is what your leader was doing so everyone else had to fall in place and that's why i see a lot of similarities with Kansas City. I mean, their best, highest paid player is their hardest working guy, their best leader on their team, Patrick Mahomes. You have your core guys, the Travis Kelsey's, the Chris Jones on defense that keep their
Starting point is 00:10:53 guys in check. And when it's a got to have it play, those guys make their got to have it plays. And those are kind of the similarities that I see with Kansas City and our teams. You know, it gets harder and harder each year. Players and coaches leave each year. but there's always a core group of guys that keep together. So Jim Harbaugh goes, nine years of college comes back to the pros. Now, it is an advantage, his brother's involved.
Starting point is 00:11:21 So I've kind of surmised over the years that Jim helps John in the draft. He'll say, can't play can, can't. John's helped Jim on staffing. Like, give me a guy who can work. So now they're in the same conference. It won't work that way. And I do think Jim will have an advantage first through. to four years because of the draft.
Starting point is 00:11:39 He knows all these guys. He recruited him. Nine years is a long time to be out of the league. Even if your brother's a coach. Joe Gibbs was gone and one of the great coaches and kind of first year, if I recall, wasn't great. What do you mean? Guaranteed success, Chargers Harbaugh, guaranteed? I think it's an expected success.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I think it's an expected success because John Harbaugh in every form or fashion, anywhere he's been, he's had success. Jim, yeah. Or Jim. Yeah. And, you know, it shouldn't change when he goes into an opportunity that he's about jump into. I mean, you got Justin Herbert, you got some guys on defense.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Left tackle, edge rusher. You got guys. They're just missing a toughness in a culture. And, you know, from what we've seen through track record, that's what Jim does. I'm excited to watch this opportunity. I'm excited to see the Chargers have some excitement around them. I'm excited that, you know, they took a chance to go out and get a John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh. I met with Jim Harbaugh, by the way, once during free agency.
Starting point is 00:12:47 What was you like? He's a different cat. He is a different cat. What do you know? As soon as I walk in, and this is when there was all that drama between San Francisco, the GM and Harbaul. This was in like 13. As soon as I walk in, he throws in a dip. I throw in a dip with him.
Starting point is 00:13:07 and we're sitting chewing and we're just talking. Nothing about really football. And I don't know where he goes, what do you want? And this is like the talks have been like Harbaugh and the GM aren't getting long because Harbaugh is talking to. And he goes, what do you want? I got a coach. I want six, I want 12 over two.
Starting point is 00:13:25 He goes, I think I would get that done. And then we didn't talk about anything else. And we just sat and talked football stories. Like that's the kind of guy he is. He's kind of that ADD in the office where he always has to move. Yeah. He's got a little corkiness to him, but you know for a fact he loves football. And to bring it back to the Chargers, I think that's what Justin Herbert needs.
Starting point is 00:13:49 He needs a coach that has had success at every level that knows how to win. Not some gimmick thing, not this, not like, oh, we're going to revolutionize the game. But Herbert's not a gimmicky guy. He's not. So I'm really excited for this opportunity for Herbert. and hardball because regardless, the league's more fun when this guy's in it. No question.
Starting point is 00:14:12 He's just a fun guy. There's always a little something with him. There's a story. There's some kind of this or that. And that's what we want. This is entertainment. Okay, so earlier today, earlier today, we got into this discussion,
Starting point is 00:14:28 Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, there's a picture of him, and everybody said he had a dad bod. And there's a picture of Josh Allen with a little bit of a gut on the beach. And my argument is I want my slot corner. I want my slot receiver, my edge rusher. I like that Boa's got no body fat.
Starting point is 00:14:45 I want, see, and they're banging on Mahomes for his body. Okay, you're a ripped guy. My take is, I want a little pudding. I don't have a problem with that. I want fluidity, pliability. What do you make of Mahomes' body? I think he's living. He's living, baby.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Yeah. You know, you always had, I mean, Tommy didn't have, like, the greatest body. You know, these guys, they're not supposed to be kings of the weight room. This guy asked, if you watch his off-season program, you watch him, and you see what he does for his flexibility. And I've seen him doing these crazy positions, these, like, figure fours behind where he's stretching out his back. Like, that's what he needs is that whole pliability thing.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And, yeah, when you're too ripped in the weight room, or as a quarterback, It's kind of a red flag to me. I rather have you... Thank you. I rather have you the guy that, you know, is eating a couple Oreos watching game film, you know, so you could... Seriously. You know what I mean? Like, go get a chicken wing.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Let's break down this defense. I don't need you to run too much. You just need to run around in the pocket so you can deliver me the ball. Okay, here's a Josh Allen picture. So, in J-Max, it doesn't bother me. He can move it, though. That guy, he can move it. You know, these guys, they're not like...
Starting point is 00:16:03 What people don't really... quarterbacks during the regular season and during the football season, like they don't run a lot. They're just doing drops. They're doing blitz pickup drills. They're doing handoffs. Like, he's not getting his conditioning in like a receiver who's running 50 routes of practice or a special team's guy that has to be on every scout team.
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Starting point is 00:18:37 or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, so some guys are ripped, but it is funny. The first time I met Teddy Bruske, he was post-career. And obviously you guys all shed some weight. Most of the big guys do. Teddy had a briefcase. I'm thinking, I met him. I'm thinking, that's the guy that.
Starting point is 00:18:54 terrorized the PAC 12. That's the guy. And I had talked to somebody who had dealt with a brusky for the years, and they're like, dude, hands, intelligence, instinctive, toughness, leverage. They're like, he didn't want to line up next to Teddy.
Starting point is 00:19:10 But Teddy didn't knock you. Give me a Patriot that you would ever line up against that you thought initially nothing there. A bad bad guy that could hit. Donald Penn, the old offensive lineman, they used to say, best player in the league with a bad bod. I would say, you remember Brandon Spikes?
Starting point is 00:19:28 Yes. Brandon Spikes had the worst body. And this dude didn't work out, didn't do anything. But I've seen him lift 330-pound guards and put them in the backfield. Like, with a two-yard sprint. Some guys are just explosive. Florida guy, if you, I think. Florida.
Starting point is 00:19:49 Explosive, crazy athletes. Merweather. Remember old Merwether? The safety. He had bad bod. We used to have to give it to him. But he was another guy that could light you up. But he would light you up. You know, the muscle thing, it's not always, there's always a hidden guy that, you know, there's just these leverage strength type guys. Brucey.
Starting point is 00:20:12 But he was, he was pretty ripped. He was ripped, but he was also like a ball of energy. You know, he was kind of, he was what, 6'1? and he was probably 250. So, like, he was kind of built. Right. For that power. And then there's guys, there are guys in this league that are all hotel lobby.
Starting point is 00:20:32 They look great in shorts, and they can't play a lick. Shorts and T-shirt guys. Those are the guys that, you know, spring camp All-Americans. You know, you have that. So that's what people don't realize. You'd have, you know, a whole off-season, and you go into OTAs, and you have these guys that come in, and they look so fast. they've had so much improvement over the off season.
Starting point is 00:20:55 And then once you put the pads on, that's just the ultimate equalizer. Hey, by the way, Belichick didn't get one of the eight jobs. Can you see him for a year doing nothing in football? Fishing. I can't see him fishing. I could see him watching football and keeping his mind going on it. I don't think he's done. he's too academic he's too smart yeah and he loves the game he's probably going to have some
Starting point is 00:21:27 kind of routine or even if it's not as you know as stressful as what it is when he's coaching he's still going to have some kind of outlet to where he's probably breaking down guys for the next year just because if he gets a job he's going to want to be preparing that guy's never not prepared yeah all right man i'm not going to get into uh where you're going, but I wish you the very best of luck in your weekend. Thank you. And I'm going to stop right there. Jay Mack with the news.
Starting point is 00:21:57 No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I thought, for sure, Edelman would say, I want my quarterbacks to put down the quarter-pounders. But he seems like he's like, hey, live your life, enjoy a quarterback. I don't care if you're-bothered me that Will Levis. Will Levis wore a sleeveless shirt at the combat. and was clearly showing off the guns.
Starting point is 00:22:23 I'm like, bro, not into it. Last guy to do that was Brady Quinn. I know he works with us. I know he's one of our guys. He was that guy. What about Cam Newton? He did a lot of that. Yeah, but Cam was also 6'7
Starting point is 00:22:34 and could run through 500-pound men. You know something else about Cam Newton? That was funny? Cam put on weight as he got hit. And I think Cam acknowledged that he was sitting and eating those chocolate pretzels in the film room. And Cam's like, yeah, I sit around and watch football all day. I'm eating all day.
Starting point is 00:22:51 I never had a problem. His mechanics could bother me. I never had a problem with heavier cam. No. Never. The crazy thing about Cam is, Cam, like you said, he would eat these snacks, but Cam said he was vegan. So Cam's vegan, but if you're eating Sour Patch Kids and Oreos, Camp, I don't, is that vegan?
Starting point is 00:23:14 That is funny. Good stuff. We know he watches. Anyways, Travis Kelsey has been on. fire in these playoffs. Earlier in the season, there were questions, maybe he was washed. I didn't say it. I don't think Colin did, but other people said maybe he's washed.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Well, on his new Heights podcast this week, Kelsey spoke about how different it is to play in the playoffs versus the regular season. There's just that flip of the switch that you kind of turn on in December. Yeah. Sense of urgency. You know, you want to try and have that switch for the entire year, but it's the 17-game season, man. Sometimes it's just, I mean, it's hard, man. especially after 11 years getting excited for a random game in November where you know you're about to wax this team. It's hard to get it going every single week.
Starting point is 00:23:57 And this year it was harder than ever because we weren't winning those games. And we're finally getting the juices going. We're finally playing our best ball at the right time. And how can you not get excited about that? For the record, this is something I've told people about our business and other businesses. Like if you're a lawyer, you should really, there's going to be cases that really matter a lot. Your year could come down to three days as an attorney, three days in front of a jury really selling or protecting your client. I mean, in the OJ case, it literally changed the arc of everybody's career, the winners and the losers on that.
Starting point is 00:24:39 But it is funny that you think it's only 17 games. But as a player ages, by week four, you're not. healthy. So you're in kind of a sense of rehab from week five to 18. Like you're you're in the tub. I think we forget sometimes that the games for us every Sunday feels big but you get a different player based on the matchup, his health, his age. Treaddilfer once told me nobody feels good by week five. Everybody's sore. This is the LeBron theory. Remember when he was in Cleveland and they were like fading regular season. They would be bad.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And everybody was like, they haven't been good. The Toronto Raptors are going to beat LeBron in the playoffs. And it was like, turn it on in the postseason. It's LeBron. It's Patrick LaHolmes. And I feel dumb because I fell for this this year. Do you remember when we were debating the Chiefs? And I was like, I don't know, man.
Starting point is 00:25:31 It's the Chiefs. They're going to be fine. And they kept losing. And you're like, listen, they're not great. And I refuse to believe it. And then I bought into it against the Ravens Inn. Well, they're also a young team primarily on defense. And young players have big.
Starting point is 00:25:44 growth spurts in it like this Kansas City defense from week three to now you start looking at it young players improve a lot like we know what Kelsey is or gronk later is or we know now what you know I kind of know what Stafford is but like Puka Nakua you know he's learning the game so it's like when you get a young player in Kansas City's got a lot of young dudes on that defense over the last year a lot of these guys have taken leaps from good player to pro bowler The other problem is what do you do from a gambling perspective? Because a lot of the big money gamblers were all over the Ravens last week. Hey, the numbers say Baltimore's aside.
Starting point is 00:26:23 I'm just an under. I think the game's the under. That's my favorite bet. Super Bowl bet under? Under. Who do you think is going to win? No money. Who do you think is going to win?
Starting point is 00:26:34 I think Kansas City is going to win 2420. Mahomes is just special. And I think Purdy has a bad quarter, bad half. And I think Mahomes just sort of doesn't, Mahomes stays at a very even pace, a couple great plays. And I think Kansas City's defense isn't well known, but is really talented. But the Niners have more stars. So we know their player.
Starting point is 00:26:58 We know Fred Warner. We know Bosa. I mean, we know Christian, Debo Kittle. Outside of Travis Kelsey and Mahomes and Chris Jones, most fans, fans outside of Kansas City, can't name six or seven other guys. But they're tremendous players. They have the best corners in football right now. They have the best corners in football.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Excellent linebackers. Young pass rushers. I think this defense is just way better than we think. We just don't know the names yet. We'll do more on the in-game tendencies and the matchups next week. But there's one big thing, like, the Niners defense, what they struggled with stopping from Detroit and Green Bay, Casey doesn't do those things.
Starting point is 00:27:40 So I think the Niners defense will improve. You know I'm on the Niners. here. Next up, there was some speculation in Philly that Nick Siriani would get canned, but he was able to survive, got two new coordinators. After reaching the Super Bowl last year, this year's early playoff exit was a huge disappointment. But A.J. Brown, who's still with the team, is backing his coach. We wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for Siriani. He's a great teacher, great coach, great person. I don't have any doubt. I don't think the team has any doubt. I think it was just Philly media and fans. They just have
Starting point is 00:28:13 the question because it didn't end the way we would all like. But sometimes you go through adversity. I haven't seen his confidence waiver. My confidence has definitely not wavered. Well, he is an offensive coach, which we like. He has shown an ability to win when he has the right coordinators. So, and for the record, McVeigh and Shanahan are rare when they keep hiring the right coordinators. Nick Saban did this for years. He kept hitting on offensive coordinators. That's infrequent. Most of your great coaches omiss on a coordinator. or they'll miss on a coach, right? And so McVeigh just keeps hitting home runs and Shanahan does.
Starting point is 00:28:50 But the Eagles kind of miss. They had guys that didn't work in their system. So he's shown an ability to adapt. He's an offensive coach. We like their players in culture. Now, he also has shown that if he doesn't have somebody that is an elite play caller, that's not what he is. He showed it when he first got to Philly play called.
Starting point is 00:29:10 He wasn't very good. And then they were great with Siriani. he goes back to having more influence on it, he won good again. So he needs to go find a play caller. And I think Howie Roseman has a lot of contacts, very aggressive, we'll find one. He's shown he can coach when he has the right play caller. It seems like Kellyn Moore is close to being the guy or I don't know if they've announced it. But Kellyn Moore, remember, he went to the Chargers and kind of, he wasn't great.
Starting point is 00:29:36 Chargers situation was great, but lack of familiarity in the division. if he goes back to the NFC East where he was with Dallas forever, I think that could be a good pairing, no? Well, I think when a team Chargers has the wrong coach, it pulls everything down. Herbert didn't look good at the end. He's struggling. He wasn't getting the ball in the end zone.
Starting point is 00:29:56 So I think the Chargers actually have much better players than people realize because the last year and a half, when the head coach is wrong, and Siriani's not over his head. Staley was over his head. And so when you have a coach that's just not equipped at this point in his life to lead an NFL franchise, it pulls everything down. How do we know that Kellynne Moore isn't really good?
Starting point is 00:30:20 I mean, he was good in Dallas. Well, Mike McCarthy ran him out of the building. Well, ran him out of the building. They all I know. They were number one in the league in offense with him. He goes to the Chargers. Wait, wait, wait. What did he go to the Chargers?
Starting point is 00:30:32 It's not like he said, I'm out of here, Dallas. No, but he was number one in the league on offense, and McCarthy made him. be insecure, moves him out. There's a lot of factors. I like that. Okay. Then he goes to the chargers and now we're all selling our Callan Morstock. I would make the argument everybody look less of a coach and a player when you have a coach that's just not ready to run a franchise. Sounds fair. Final story, Joel Embedde returned on Tuesday against the Warriors after missing two games with a knee issue. He ended up getting hurt in that game where Cuminga fell on top of him. This is, the story's getting to be ugly because Embed,
Starting point is 00:31:08 apparently has been hurt all season, but he wants to play because the narrative around him is he misses 20 games, he misses 30 games, this guy's soft, blah, blah, blah, blah. And now it's becoming like an internal issue. Colin, I know the league wants these stars to play and NBA needs Embed to play here
Starting point is 00:31:24 with a lot of televised games in March and April. If you're not healthy, don't play. I just don't see why Embedged should be forced to play just to hit 65 and win the MVP and all this nonsense. I think once you've won an MVP, I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'd get rest. You got to get to the conference finals. That's what matters.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Yeah, Embed's legacy now is hinging because his injuries are increasing. His legacy's really hinging now on winning more playoff games. The rest of it's all done. The money, the fame, the accomplishments. He has a big hole in his career. Winning more playoff series. So get healthy for those. J. Mack with the news.
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Starting point is 00:35:12 Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So here is the, um, Diana Rusini had this tweet. Apparently, recently, I don't keep my phone on the desk. It says, during the hiring process in Washington, Bill Belichick was considered for the job per sources. The commanders spoke with Bill. He did have support from some
Starting point is 00:35:41 decision makers. In the end, Dan Quinn is their choice. What do you make of that? So what are you saying that they took Dan Quinn over Bill Belichick? So it was in the building there was a more support for Quinn than there was Belichick.
Starting point is 00:35:56 I would guess some of this is control that Bill won. That's a guess. I don't think Dan wants drafting control. So safe to say Atlanta in the building. We know the owner wanted Belichick. But he wouldn't, you know, Rich McKay had been at GM. This is a power thing.
Starting point is 00:36:12 You know, the powers that be didn't want Belichick to come in and strong arm them into stuff. Well, I think Bill's lack of drafting success is alarming. I don't think that's a cheap shot. I would question if he sat in this chair. I said, I look at your last seven drafts. I'm just not seeing enough good players. People are just so territorial and worried and want to control others. It's an issue.
Starting point is 00:36:36 And listen, if you can't talk to Belichick and make things work, then yeah, he's not the right hire. But Rahim Morris and Dan Quinn over Belichick? Well, then you know it's not on qualifications. Well, yeah, it's probably Belichick did not want to work with the guys in the building in Atlanta. You just wanted to report to the owner. And I am always, I'm really fascinated by this. Popovich or Tony Larusa when people age, coaches age. and I always thought Saban had really good self-awareness.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Like he knew what he was, he knew what he wasn't, he grew, he exits at the right time. But it does feel like Bill's lacking a little self-awareness. I didn't like his staffs in the last couple years. He doesn't have really new, fresh ideas in the building. It's very much old cast-offs and Patricia and Judge, and I've got nothing against his kids on the staff. I think, you know, Pete Carroll had a kid on the staff. I'm okay with that. But it did.
Starting point is 00:37:32 I felt when New England had Scarnacia, Josh, Bill, and some of these coaches, I always thought they were the smartest team in the league. The last three or four years, New England makes like dumb team mistakes. Like they have bad, they look like Carolina mistakes. I never felt that way. So it's not just players. They don't look as well coached. They don't develop Mac Jones. He went backwards.
Starting point is 00:37:59 They didn't develop Mac Jones. They don't develop receivers. and frankly, in-game coaching feels suboptimal. So it's like that discussion with the Chiefs, their regular season. Mahomes had his worst statistical season. The Chiefs were not amazing in the regular season.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Playoffs, it's game on. So with Belichick, like what do you value more? 20 years of dominance or the last four years, which have been total crap? With Andy Reid, usually a great coach, a team gets more refined over time. Belichick's worst teams were September
Starting point is 00:38:29 is best teams January. But the last several years, the team got worse. They looked more poorly coached late. They're not drafting and developing well. So I just, I think if Bill wants personnel, I mean, if I owned a team or ran a team, I'm giving him more, no personnel say,
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