The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Looking at the NFL head coach openings

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

3-time Super Bowl champion Eric Mangini joins the show to talk about his time coaching with Belichick and what his next move could beSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was selling Bill Belichick. There's a future here. So this morning, they parted ways, and that was, Jay Glazer had that Sunday. It wasn't going to work. As I said, I think there's a couple different tiers to this. I think Harbaugh's the best coach, the market, Vravels too. And I think Belichick will succeed.

Like, in a Washington, I do not love giving him a general manager power. I've got a decade of not being able to draft pro-bowl level offensive players, and that's where the league's pivoted to. But this morning, I did think Bill was kind of putting it out there. He looked well-dressed. There was no mumbling. He looked powerful. I mean, it was a good look for Bill.

He was sending a message, the GMs, I'm not done. I'm still dynamic. I'm ready to go. He mumbles on that podium. That's like his game. No mumbling today. They came out, J-Mack. It was pretty formidable.

So here's Belichick and Robert Kraft, 24 years wrapped up. Here it is. So appreciative of the fans for all the support they've given me, my family, and this football team. And it's with just so many fond memories and thoughts that I think about the Patriots and always be a patriot. I look forward to coming back here. But at this time, you know, we're going to move on. And I look forward. I'm excited for the future.

But always very, very appreciative of the opportunity here, the support here. and, you know, what Robert were you done for me. Thank you. Coach Belichick will forever be celebrated as a legendary sports icon here in New England, and I believe go in as a pro football Hall of Famer on the first ballot. Why? Because he is the greatest coach of all times.

which makes this decision to part ways so hard. But this is a move that we mutually agreed that is needed at this time. What Bill accomplished with us, in my opinion, will never be replicated. It will be difficult to see him in a cut-off hoodie on the sideline. but I will always continue to wish him continued success except when he's playing

our beloved patriots yeah it's a moment it is emotional trees don't grow to the sky things end as I had said a couple of hours ago my wife always says this because she used to be an HR and she said you know the people

sometimes that didn't stay current didn't evolve didn't adapt it was always problematic and you get older and you're richer and you've got your legacy and your rings and your guarantees and you want to do things your way. And Bill, I think increasingly talked about over the last six or seven years wanting to coach certain players, players that he wanted to coach. Well, that's not realistic. You coach the best talent you can find, draft, and develop, and sometimes you don't love all of them. Mike Tomlin has not loved every single guy he's ever had. Sean McVeigh, sometimes you get guys,

they drive you nuts, but in the end, they get your Super Bowls. So I think, The Patriot Way works. Bill sometimes didn't listen to his own advice because it wasn't about winning and sacrificing. It was about being comfortable and coaching guys he wanted to coach, kids on the staff, hiring people he was comfortable and familiar with. And you know what? If you're not comfortable with discomfort, businesses catch up and surpass you very quickly. Eric Mangini was with Bill for years and years and has the rings to prove it.

I mean, when I watch Bill there, that looks like a guy that's not done coaching. That was my interpretation. What was yours? It didn't really look like a love fest for 24 years together and six Super Bowls. And we all know in relationships very rarely is it mutually parting ways. And I'd say it might be mutually parting ways because Bill probably has something else lined up. I don't know if it would have been as, as, um, friendly and and together as it was if he didn't.

But I imagine that Bill ultimately would have liked to have stayed in New England and finish it out there, but wasn't going to be able to and probably isn't that upset because now he's free to go do something else. And I imagine he's got something lined up already. Yeah, Washington feels like cap space, although they don't have their quarterback, there's been a suggestion that if Nick Seriani loses Monday, Philadelphia's history is they move off winners. They moved off Chip, Foles, Peterson.

They move off quickly. They pivot fast. Atlanta's out there. He feels like a weird fit in Atlanta, although Arthur Blanks is a respected owner? Is there a fit with Bill that you think about and go, oh, that would look right, that would feel right? Washington, to me, is interesting, and I know we talked about it before. I like the idea because that's the area that he's from.

They desperately need to be revamped in so many different ways. And Bill would bring that. The difficulty I see is it looks to be a very hands-on owner. This is a guy who was when he was in the business world was extremely demanding, wanted answers, wanted answers right now, and I just don't know how that part of the relationship is going to work and whether or not the owner will be willing to take a step back and say, okay, I'm going to defer to Bill and I'm bringing him in for his experience and all these things,

or whether it's going to be one of those situations where it's a class pretty early on because it's two such strong personalities. All right. Gerard Mayo, well-liked linebacker coach, no head coaching experience. And then there's Mike Vrable. I think Vrable's a great candidate. My concern is he couldn't get the offense right ever, perfectly right in Tennessee, and it's an offensive league.

Do you think Vrable, I mean, they got to solve offense. They got personnel issues, culture issues with their offense, and Vrable's more of a defensive guy. Is he a good fit to replace Bill? Well, when I think about those two guys, if you go and make the move with Drod Mayo, you're getting exactly the same thing. Drod's never played anywhere else.

He's never coached anywhere else. The only system he knows is the system that he's been in. So you're going to get a younger version, a different personality, but he can't draw on any outside experiences of other ways do it. Where with Mike, the great thing about Mike, obviously the head coaching experience is fantastic. He had success as a head coach, but he's also coached at other places. He's coached at Ohio State. He's coached at Houston. He's seen other systems, but he's got the benefit of knowing how New England works. He understands that culture. He understands ownership. Mike seems like a home run if New England could ever do it.

I don't know if you want to go follow Bill Belichick because of what the expectations are. And Gerard Mayle, I'm sure he's an excellent candidate, but it's the same thing that you had. And that could be, that's going to be challenging. Pete Carroll, you know, listen, the age thing, people are healthier now. 73 now is 63, 15, 20 years ago, nutrition, balance, life, food, whatever. I don't worry a ton about age. But here would be my concern on Pete Carroll. you changed assistants, you change coordinators, you changed quarterbacks, and you haven't done

anything really well for five years. Like their defense is a mess. Pete, it's your side of the ball. There's players everywhere. There's good players, pro-ball level players. So for me, my takeaway, and Pete is it's the wrong side of the ball. I don't worry about the age. I just think if you're a defensive coach or an offensive coach, you got to get your side

of the ball right. And if you don't for an extended period, I do wonder if the sport has to some degree passed you by. Is that fair? Well, just like what you mentioned with your wife saying, that in HR, sometimes people aren't willing to change. Pete's willing to change. Pete's changed maybe too much. And maybe that's been the fault of his, as he's tried too many things. But I would imagine that Pete, from an energy perspective, all that's going to be fine. I like the idea of Pete going back to college. I like the idea of him taking over

some college program, I think he'd be unbelievable there, just like with Jim potentially coming back to finish what he started in the NFL. I like the idea of Pete potentially doing that in college. You know, the other outside idea that nobody's talked about is what about Nick Saban? If I had an organization that I was running, I would make a call Nick. Nick had that experience with the dolphins. If you're going to go the older coach route, He'd be a guy that'd be interested in talking to, too, and see what he thinks. Jim Harbaugh, you know him well. First of all, I think everybody that knows him was happy for the national championship.

Michigan's a top 10 job in the country, pro or college. It's a wonderful place, wonderful place to live. What is your gut feeling on Harbaugh? Is there a fit that works for him? I don't have a gut feeling on Jim because Jim's so unique. And again, as we talk about coaches who have had experience both college and pro, and he's accomplished the ultimate that he can accomplish and bring his own monitor a national championship, I think Jim would like to win a Super Bowl.

So I would see at this moment him being able to move on from Michigan, go take an opportunity in the NFL, potentially win a Super Bowl. And from a fit perspective, Jim can make any place fit. And he's unique. He has his way of doing things that isn't necessarily the traditional way, but it works. And whether it's a system like the Chargers that's more family run or whether it's one person on top like Atlanta, I don't see it being a problem either way. Jim can fit into any organization. they're just going to have to understand that, you know, he has a unique way of doing things.

And it's both fun and successful. But that brings its challenges too. Yeah. I would go offensive coach to New England because I think Sean McVeigh would have trouble in two years solving New England's lack of personnel. I just don't think they have any speed. They got a good, decent O-line personnel. Is there anybody out there? it could have been

Johnson who's never been a head coach walk into that pressurized thing and work. I mean, I just think their offense is a hundred, it feels like it's Jurassic. They just need a new set of eyes and ears. But all these

jobs, all these jobs, it's a question of who the quarterback is. It really is. And you know, look at the situation in Denver and there's a really good coach, an established coach, a coach that's been incredibly successful and he's having problems without without a quarterback and and

Sean Payton when he figures that out is going to continue to be successful. It's the same thing in New England. If you can get a quarterback or anybody that can give you some level of consistent competitiveness, then you got a chance to win and win quickly. And that's why the charges job should be so intriguing to so many people is because you think you've got to figure out at the most important spot. but if whoever you put in New England, if you don't get the quarterback situation worked out to some degree that's a lot better than what it was these past few years, it doesn't matter who walks in there. Finally, I think Bill the coach was unraveled by Bill the GM. Would he see power?

Do you think Bill could work alongside somebody and not on top? that he could say, guy goes, Bill, this is what we're going to draft. This is what we need. I'm part of this too. You're not going to usurp my power. Could Bill work with somebody like that? No, probably not.

Bill, I think, does a really good job with free agency and on the pro side, and he's brought in a lot of guys over the years that have really helped in a significant way. The college side has been more of a struggle. Now, for him to get the opportunity that he wants, he may have to get into some type of relationship, but I would think to bring him in, it's got to be more of a partnership where the GM has power, but is willing to defer.

Who is going to sit and tell Bill this is the guy that you need to coach? This is the guy that should be on the 53 man roster. No, we're not bringing in this three agent. It's just hard to envision the personality that can do that and can do it effectively. That person is probably going to have to be a little bit of a salesman. Can it have power but also need to be a little bit of a salesman for it to work? Man, Eric Mangini, there's a lot of stuff here, a lot of moving parts. There are a lot of moving part.

There's a lot of great coaches available right now. It is. It is a really deep field, no question. through the Sabin to the NFL thing into the wrench so that got my head thing in. I like saving to the NFL. The issue he had with the NFL, Colin, is the amount of draft picks that you got, and you could go back to college and you can get a bunch of number one draft picks through recruiting, but now college is just becoming a junior version of the NFL.

So why not go back to the NFL and see whether or not you can be, you can finish the work that you started there? He's so good, and it doesn't look like he's ready to, to just golf yeah yeah play gin yeah i don't see that either yeah he'd be he's i would definitely make that call just to gauge the interest at least yeah eric mangini good talking to you good talking to you call yeah gin rummy back gamma not just don't see that for next sayban and bryce young reuniting in uh carolina oh i wouldn't even take a phone call what a mess that is less than five percent charoline is one of the worst job openings in ten years

Tennessee or Carolina? Tennessee. Carolina's crazy. I thought you just needed a franchise quarterback to win. Listen, I don't think either of those are good gigs. You know, I like it when I now say you're out on, and then you just, I'm not out on. You're out on Bryce Young. Be honest.

No, I'm not. See? A lot of promise. Be nice if he had, like, protection and a decent receiver. That would help. I mean, they could draft first five picks all offense. I don't think they have a first because of the trade. Great. Terrific.

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and listen, you can't put too much stock in the gambling odds for these coaching moves because you can't go. If people get inside information, they move the lines. So it should be pointed out, the Falcons, okay? They were plus 400 this morning for Belichick. It's now plus 150. Now, I don't know how much of this is tied to Rossini's tweet, people speculating. Is there something out there?

But I don't see it, Colin? Falcons? Bill, now, if you want to win, that's the division to go to, right? It's incredibly weak. Dennis Allen, Todd Bulls. They do not have a quarterback, and their pick is they're not going to get the top two quarterbacks. They have a good old line and nice pieces offensively.

So Bill's not, that's not his deft. His excellence is not on that side of the ball. Atlanta doesn't feel, although Arthur Blank is not a big meddler. So I don't know. I think Belichick may view his. market is greater than it is, but it is a market. I just, I think a situation in Philadelphia is fascinating to me is that Nick Sariani, the Eagles are not impulsive, but they are demanding.

If Sariani goes down to Tampa, and I don't think this is going to happen, but they lay an egg, you and I know, they will make moves. That's the success there. It's very Dan Quinn. I think Patricia's gone. We can write him off. Yeah, he lose this game. And the other defensive guy, Desai,

I'm just saying is Philadelphia has moved off Super Bowl winning quarterbacks. Sariani's opening press conference embarrassing, before Sariani took over play calling, ugly. Shane Steichen, excuse me. His performance post Shane Steichen. Every week it's worse. It looks like absolutely his success is tied to a brilliant offensive coordinator. Well, that guy's not coming back.

And the guy of hire is not good enough. So this thing's unraveling in Philadelphia. Just ask yourself this. I don't think it'll happen. They go down to Tampa and lose 27 to 7. You think Philadelphia is just going to go, let's just have an offseason. It ain't going to happen.

Yeah, what happens in Dallas? They go and lose? You don't think they're calling Bill Belichick? And what's a better job, Dallas or Philly? Dallas. I take Philly. Really? Yeah.

Better overall roster. I mean, they get to Super Bowls a lot. Andy got to him. Doug Peterson got to him. Sariani got to him. Dallas struggles to win a playoff game. Philadelphia gets to Super Bowls. That tells you the structure, the hierarchy of that building.

So we have some more craft video from this morning talking about why now between him and Belichick, the end. What's gone on here the last three, four years isn't what we want. So we have a responsibility to do what we can to fix it to the best of our ability. If you look at this as a transaction, you know, he is so valuable and how we could extract something. I didn't think that was right for Tom Brady, who gave us 20 years, and I don't think it's right for Bill. he's talking about trading bill or trading Tom he's like I'm not going to do that I agree with that so it's weird they both met at the podium

and they made their statements and then they left and then Kraft came back to meet the media if you listen closely it sounds like Velichick was kind of fired he was well not kind of he was the owner said I want a new coach that's fired I mean, the direction that we were headed the last three years, this is not worth. Bill has another year, I believe, in his contract.

He was fired. If I'm let go a year left in my contract, it's probably not mutual. I like how they framed it as mutual. Everybody's smiling, both at the podium, looking professional. Bill wants to coach again, but, I mean, again, the air thing about New England, I always thought they had the best staff. This staff is weak. What would the staff Belichick put together?

It's kids and retreads and it's a bad staff. That's why the idea of Gerard Mayo, he's played one place. He doesn't know any other way to do it, so you're just getting more of the same without all the depth of knowledge that Belichick had. The weakest coaching tree out there. Sorry, Bill, is Belichick's. None of them has succeeded. Next up, Pete Carroll, obviously the Seattle ending yesterday was a shocker.

He's going to be a front office advisor. in Seattle, which is interesting. But according to Undisputed's Richard Sherman, he could see Pete looking for a job elsewhere, and Richard Sherman mentioned the Chargers. There were so many conversations. But the one thing that was evident was that he wasn't done. He wants to be a head coach in the National Football League,

and I got a feeling if one of these teams called and interviewed him, he'd be a hard one to pass up because of the way he runs his program. I mean, I couldn't call me crazy, Skip, but if the Los Angeles Chargers called Pete Carroll, that would be a match made in heaven? Yeah, I mean, I don't think so. It's a results-oriented business. Pete's defense in the last five years is defensive coordinator.

Change coaches, change personnel, awful. That's why people can bang on Lincoln Riley, USC. They've led the nation in offense last two years. He's got his side of the ball figured out. You can't be bad on your side of the bus. That's Brandon Staley. The Chargers defense is a defensive coach. They changed personnel, free agents.

It got worse. Seattle's defense. I mean, it's Ron Revere in Washington. The defense is worse. He's a defensive coach. That's the first sign you got the wrong guy. Sherman's a teammate, so not going to hammer him, but totally disagree. Colin, look at the ages of the coaches in the NFC West.

Gannon is 41. Shannon's 44. McVeigh is 37. you're not bringing in a 72-year-old guy. He's 73, sorry. To compete with these young, you just don't do that. And I'm not being agist or anything. That's just the reality.

Like, you see these young coaches in the division being totally different doing things. Like, you watch the Rams and the Niners offense? They look different than anything else in the league. You're creative, innovative. I'm just sorry, I'm not buying in any way, shape, or form. I know Sanchez was kind of into that yesterday. I just, I cannot see Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll would win the press conference.

So what? He's not going to win games. Yeah. But that's a thing in Los Angeles. I've seen organizations. Hey, we win the press. Dave Roberts of the Dodgers has won a lot of games. Never going to win the press conference.

To me, James... That's like a New York thing. Win the press conference. I just, there's a lot of... You just can't... You can talk about the past. Last five years. Seattle's defense is terrible.

He's a defensive coach. Forget the offense, where he bought into Gino and Drew Luck. The defense is bad. Hey, Darvin Ham, really good in the press conference. Now you've got to go win some games, bro. Like, save your job. Final story. Let's go back to Nick Sabin real quick.

Colin, it's going to be a tough job to fill his shoes. And Saban spoke about this very decision today, saying, I'm still going to have a presence here at the university in some form and trying to figure out all that and how it works. It's the way I've always done things. You keep working right up until it's time to walk away. I knew it was time. This makes it sound like he's not going to TV immediately.

If he's going to stick around the university and help them with the transition, I don't know, is that six months? Is that a year? So I know that a lot of people saying, oh, write the TV, he's going to be a slam dunk. I don't know about that. I'm not tuning in to watch Nick Saban's thoughts on whatever. Well, I mean, I do think he'll fire in hard. Come on. Well, I mean, he'll add a little grov at off to any TV product.

I mean, we had Urban Meyer. He's absolutely added value to our product, Big Noon. So I think the TV thing is where you can make some good money. I mean, Urban, doesn't he still have an office at Ohio State? These guys are connected to these universities and the Goodwill and the boosters and donors. So I don't think it's a bad thing. I mean, Nick's just a real smart guy. I want him.

I'd love his eyes. I mean, again, I always think in terms if I ran a franchise, if I ran an NFL franchise, I would call Jimmy Sexton, Nick's agent, and said, I'll pay Nick $500,000 a year. I get a 30-minute call once a week. And I would pick his brain. I would want a 30-minute call. But that's different than having an office down the hall.

But I'm just saying, I would say, Nick, 30 minutes a week, I'm a GM. I want you. I want you on speed dial. I want Nick Saban's thoughts. First of all, Nick knows college personnel as well as anybody. If I'm a GM, can the guy play? Is he a good kid? Nick knows behind every corner.

What did Nick tell Belichick about Mac Jones? I don't know. But Bill and Nick are tight. Bill got Mac Jones. And he's not a starter in this league, Colin. So I like Nick Saban. He's a great coach. Let's not go overboard with the...

I'm giving him $500,000 to pick his brain. Well, it's not my money. It'd be somebody else. Okay, fine. Jay Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News.

Tom Brady just put out a long statement in regards to Bill Belichick leaving the new England. and Patriots. I have not seen that statement yet. I'm told we have it. Tom says, quote, I could never have been the player I was without you, Coach Belichick. I am forever grateful, and I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose next. Just a portion. Yeah, I think that's very true. I don't think, I think Belichick and Brady, obviously Bill needed Tom more than Tom needed Bill, because Tom went on to win Super Bowl in year one with Tampa, but I think they'll be, you know, linked forever, and they should be.

It's amazing when you think how long it went. They had a 10-year dynasty with a bunch of Super Bowls, and then they went 10 years where they got to them and couldn't win, and then they had, you know, a few more years at the end where they were winning Super Bowls and, you know, it was always amazing to me about all those Super Bowls. It was crazy. Outside of the Rams Super Bowl.

They were all decided by a play. I mean, they beat Atlanta Edelman's catch. You know, they lost the Giants twice on David Tyree and Mario Manningham making catches. You know, the fastest show on turf. You got all these games. It was a field goal. It was a catch.

It's amazing how the interception against Seattle, it's amazing. The Patriot, Brady could have two more rings or five fewer. I mean, it's if they all come down to moments. If you look at Pete Carroll's career, he is one play at the goal line from two Super Bowls and one yard against Texas from another Natty. I mean, think about that. The difference between great and failure. Legend and failure for Pete Carroll is one pass play and one yard in college.

They pick up that first down against Texas. They're winning the game. So it's like that, this sport, and nobody leaves perfectly. Like it doesn't work that way. Somebody's, you know, maybe Lombardi, but, you know, somebody is. At the end of the day, you get a break and you don't. Go look at Brady and Belichick Super Bowls. Now, the New England one against the Rams was one-sided, boring 13-3.

Rams really never threatened in the second. I couldn't move the ball. But most of their Super Bowls came down to a singular play. It's amazing that Eli Manning and Tom Copland beat them twice, head-to-head, and it was on one big cat. The Manningham catch down the sideline is probably the least heralded greatest play in Super Bowl history. insane play by Eli Manning in a little tiny box to Mario Manningham and the David Tyree catch. Now that is fully developed as a great all-time play.

I don't remember another David Tyree catch in his career. I mean, it was just that. So it's crazy. The greatness, grateful's always a great word. But I think Tom and Bill just think of how close those Super Bowls were. And you had the best quarterback ever and you had the best defensive coach ever. and they went down to a final play on virtually all but one Super Bowl. A final play.

I mean, Edelman doesn't make that catch. You don't get it. I mean, that's, and that's, I've said this with MJ. MJ was the best player, the best looking, best defensive, best, best, best, best, best, best, best. You watched that 10-year, that 10-part documentary, he was battling his GM, his owner, Rodman, punching teammates. Like, it is hard. The number one skill, I'm not sure if it's a skill or trait. of champions.

Isn't when you went to school, not arm, not speed. And I say this to my kids all the time, is resilience. That is the number one trait of success in America, in my opinion, resilience. You're going to step in it. You're going to get crapped on. You're going to be fired. You're going to go cry in a corner? Need a binky?

We're going to fight like hell to get out of there. Everybody steps in it. Everybody gets ripped. Everybody has a bad day. How do you handle it? I mean, that is resilience. Is such, and that's why all parents, I want my kid to go to a prep school, and then a perfect school, and then an academy, oh, that's adorable.

That's not real life. Your kid will end up being unrealistic. It's amazing when you look at NFL quarterbacks. You would think they just, you know, they were high school, all Americans, and then it was all Peyton Manning's route. Great in high school, great in college, great in the NFL. No, it's not. Aaron Rogers, Junior College.

Farve had to go to a different team. Brady went down to the sixth round. Joe Montana third round. Russell Wilson, third round. Dak, fourth round. Big Ben, Miami of Ohio. Ohio State, not interested. Drew Brees.

Texas school's not interested. Had to go to Purdue. It's like one after another, after another, after another. Stafford couldn't win in Detroit, had to move. All these guys. At one point, North Carolina State had more quarterbacks in the NFL than Alabama. I mean, why? Philip Rivers, Glennon, why?

Russell Wilson, because resilience. You have to learn to get hit. Your receivers aren't five-star. It is such a good trait. And just think how close the Patriots were to having won just one Super Bowl over the Rams. That's it. Just won. And lose all the rest of them on a play.

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We've been talking about this all day. Outside of Harbaugh, I think the best candidate is Mike Vrable. Let's go live to Diana, though. She's had some really interesting reporting is that I tend to be a guy that I would rather hire an offensive coach than a defensive one. That's the culture that we have in the NFL.

But I know Mike, he's bright, culture creator, tough guys. but you wrote a story. I'm interested in the answer here. Why did he get fired? Because more than Pete Carroll, that one shocked me. I thought he was the best part of Tennessee. Why did he get run?

I think after years of poor communication, it eventually added up. It wasn't one major blowup between ownership and Rehable. This was just years of it wearing on that Titans front office and the decision makers. they started to envision what they wanted their team to look like in the future, and they didn't feel that that fit well with what Mike Vrabel was doing there. And, you know, Colin, it was about six, seven weeks ago.

I had spoke to high-ranking sources in Tennessee about Rable's future with the organization, and there wasn't a hesitation about him returning. They very much understood that, and this was their thought that he's a top five NFL head coach in football. And part of having success, at least the biggest challenge is finding the right coach, getting the quarterback is the other issue, right? And they think that they could have him in Will Levis. So here you have Will Levis.

You have Mike Vrable, who won coach of the year just three years ago. This seems like they've got it all right. Well, I really didn't have any pushback when it was shared with me that he is the future. It made sense to me as well. Well, six weeks later, he's fired. So what happened? Well, there was a sense there that when he went to New England during the by week, it bothered ownership. When he was there sitting in the suite with Robert Kraft, when he was speaking to the crowd.

And he said something that stood out to people in Tennessee, which was, you don't realize how good you have it here. And it felt like a shot at people in Nashville. Sure. Like as if what they're doing isn't good enough. It was what they're doing isn't up to par with what New England is doing. And I think from coach's side of it, it was I was just appreciating that moment and trying to explain to fans, it's hard right now. You're losing. It doesn't feel the way it did when I was here.

But this was unusual to win as much as we did. That was a special time. So I think a lot of these little examples started to add up. And eventually it came to a head. On top of the fact that this goes back to a year ago, if you recall John Robinson was fired during the season, and then they brought in Rand Carthon from the San Francisco 49ers and made him the general manager.

And it was something, it was an arranged marriage. It truly was. Riebel had someone he had in mind and ownership had their person in mind, and that was Carthon. And they tried to unite them. And those two actually got along really well from what I understand, but in terms of what the vision, and what they want the Tennessee Titans to be,

they no longer wanted to look like what Mike Rable was making it look. Is there a job? I tend to think because of Justin Herbert, the Chargers is the job everybody wants a shot at. Is there a job that you think everybody wants, or you're hearing everybody wants a shot at? If it was a year ago, I'm telling you it's all Chargers, but it's not.

So here we are now. The team or at least the roster that I know has some coaches that want these head coaching jobs really intrigued is Atlanta. And I know they don't have the important piece, which is quarterback. And if you don't have the quarterback, you're not going to have success. But we know what the roster does look like. And they have a lot of these pieces already in place. They've been rebuilding for three years.

If Arthur Smith, you could argue just went and got a veteran quarterback last year. He may be employed still. So I think that's one of the teams that we're not talking about a lot right now because Justin Herbert's in L.A. And he obviously is a quarterback that's proved that he can play. Coaches definitely want to shot there. But Atlanta's the one I'd say watch out for. Patriots.

It's a very good market. There's a lot of candidates here, Vrable. You know, even Pete Carroll, Dan Quinn, Ben Johnson. It's one of the better years I remember in candidates. Like today, next 36 hours, you obviously honor Bill. but I don't think they want to sit around and wait. I mean, what do you think the timeline on the Patriots is? Wow, you can't wait.

Colin, you can't. You've got to get out there right now. And I know this is a really good coaching group, but these interviews got to get going and they have to start. And, you know, I was really interested over the last few days to find out if the Patriots were backtodling at all, doing some work, you know, behind the scenes, knowing that this was going to be the final call here.

and I could not find out any coach that was in talks already. In fact, that was the one organization that, I know it's not shocking listeners right now, but that's the one organization where you really heard nothing in terms of openness and availability. And even coaching agents were reaching out to me, like, what are you hearing, what are you hearing? So now we know the answer.

So they're already working. And I think we can expect later this afternoon some candidate names to start popping up here as we've seen across the league right now where there's eight, nine interviews going down in all these teams. Wow. How about, you know, Harbaugh's probably going pro.

Many suspect that. The obvious, what I've heard there's division. I've heard this for a year. There's division in the Chargers front offices. Some people are close to Dean Spanos. There's another group that wants this. There's a little. And I've heard this.

multiple times in the last two years. Is Harbaugh the Chargers in your space? Is that like understood is going to happen or is it wide open there? No, it's wide open, actually. Do I think Jim Harbaugh wants the Chargers? I do.

I think that's where he wants to land. I think he's going to also speak with as many teams as he possibly can, the teams that are interested in him right now. But I can tell you, the Chargers are putting a pause on that right now and have been doing their homework in terms of trying to reach out to different

candidates names that you haven't even heard that have been put out you know and I had a general manager text me earlier today Colin just because we're seeing these names doesn't mean that's every coach on the list it's just these are the ones that have interviews set up already these are the ones that agents have decided to leak out because they want to get built some momentum for their clients so there could be some dark horses here both on the team side and the candidate side that we didn't think of, but Dan Quinn is another big name that I'm hearing from a lot of different general managers and even some owners that have very strong interest in what Dan Quinn can bring. And I know you think defensive side of the ball. And, you know, I had a conversation with an owner

earlier this morning about what they're looking for. And, you know, you hear it all the time that they want to bring in a leader. They want to bring in a culture setter. And there are some owners out there who do believe that it doesn't matter what side of the ball you get. If you get some good coordinators, but you can bring in the right guy, like you're seeing, let's say, like in Detroit, right? It can work. But you've got to make sure if you're going to do it that way, if you're going to go with like a Dan Quinn,

you better make sure that defense is sound if that's your specialty, and you also better make sure that you have an offensive coordinator that's going to be able to put together a high-flying offense like we're seeing all around the league. Diana Rusini, the Athletic. She's got a bunch of books back. there, which I'm sure she's read almost everyone, front to back. That are a really smart husband has.

One of the two. But anyway, it looks very, it looks like you're an academic, which we all know. You're a football academic. That's how I view you. Did you see my cliff notes for football back there? I've actually bought that book when I first started. And I'm proud to say that's how I started in football. I read Cliff Notes for Dummies, learning the NFL.

It's worked out for you. Diane, it's great seeing you, as always. I'm still a dummy. It's great to see you guys. All right. She's great. Yeah, boy, that's a... Harbaugh wants the Chargers job. Patriots aren't waiting around.

It's a good year for candidates, man. There's a lot of interesting names. I mean, Dan Quinn feels like the fifth best candidate. Dan Quinn's a pretty good candidate. There are years. He'd be first or second. He's a defensive guy. Well, he...

You can be... By the way, Jimmy Go Ryan's in the playoffs. Todd Ball's in the playoffs. I know, I know, but you shell the defensive guys on here, and I largely agree with you. It doesn't make sense. But so why would you hire him? I mean, I get Seattle.

They know him. He's been in the building. But, I mean, it feels like he and Pete have the same defensive ideology. It's a safe move. I don't know. I mean, Dan would not be a disaster. You know that. He'd be solid.

Well, he might be a disaster against the Shannhanan offense. How did Dallas do against San Francisco this year? Oh, 4210? Yeah. Well, it's not like everybody did well. How did you do against him in the playoffs last year? A year before that, loss. Well, they have good players.

Some of it's just players. And Seattle has better defensive players than Dallas. I don't know. Well, I think Seattle overall has more depth of talent. I think if you took a CD lamb out of the Cowboys, it doesn't even feel like the same team. You know what we need to do? This is our homework. I'm giving you homework if that's okay in your own show.

Sure, sure. We should come to the table tomorrow with a name that's not out there that's spicy and interesting. For Alabama? Any all, Seattle, Carolina. You know, J&C consulting, remember? I mean creative, outside the box. Well, it's got to be accurate. You can't just make it up.

This is where you get creative. How about this guy? Give me a name. I already called Kalin de Borda Pama. I'm pretty good on that one. Just playing the National Championship, not that creative. Well, creativity's overrated. Let's work on bringing a name that's accurate.

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