The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Luka Doncic debut

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Colin talks to Rachel Nichols about the Lakers, and the debut of Luka Doncic last night Thoughts on the free agent QB market in the NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, some of that's just Anthony Davis was healthy and great. Austin Reeves is having a remarkable season, and LeBron is out of his mind. So that's not surprising. The Luca thing's interesting because he'd been banged up. So you're asking him, probably not in the best shape. Hey, here's a bunch of new guys. What was your take on the moment last night? A moment is a great way to.

to describe it because the fact that a game was happening was kind of beside the point. It was like watching the Philadelphia Eagles in the Super Bowl. I mean, they were, Lakers were playing against a tanking team. The Lakers were up the entire time. It was just basically a coronation party. No one had to stress about the result of the game. So instead, it was just all about Luca. From the moment they laid those Luca shirts out in every seat for every fan,

they played Serbian music, Colin, last night during warmups. And then, of course, he has announced a lot. last in the lineup. I saw that. And I asked Luke about it after the game. I was said, you know, when did you find that out? What does that mean? And he said that LeBron actually texted him in the morning and said, whatever you want to do, I'm good with. And I thought that was interesting because LeBron never said that to Anthony Davis. So that's one sort of side factor there. And the other side is that Luca said, I want to be last, which is kind of audacious and interesting too. Now, Luca did tell me that starting in the next game, LeBron gets his honor back as far as Luca is concerned.

but I thought that was interesting all the way around and kind of tells you a little bit about the future of the franchise. So players really deeply care about that stuff. Oh, yes. Of course they do. All the stuff they shouldn't care about they care about. Wow. You know, it's when I look at Luca,

the conditioning, the defense, he's been banged up. Obviously, giving up Anthony Davis, Christie and a one first round pick is not nearly enough. Did that catch? I mean, it caught everybody including Dallas insiders off guard, didn't it? Oh, shocking is the only word.

I went and looked the day after for Dallas reports on it may happen. There were none. Zero, zero. No one knew. Everyone was shocked. Danny Ains participated in the trade from Utah facilitating the trade, and he didn't know during the trade as it was happening. No one knew.

And I will tell you, I think all of the sort of damage control that Dallas has tried to do since with the public statements about Luca's conditioning and work ethic, with the private leaks that they've had sort of to the same effect, I don't think it has helped them at all. I don't think there is ever a justification for trading Luca Donchurch, 25-year-old generational talent, a guy who has been a prodigy since age 11. If you're going to do it, you have to just own that you're going to do it, say what you mean, stop trying to denigrate him and his future, and get a better deal for him. Because I think that is part of what has been so galling to so many Dallas fans and so mystifying for NBA insiders. Doing a one-team trade where you didn't even talk to anyone else and where you didn't even get all of their assets is so crazy,

especially when the guy that you were so hell-bent on trading for, Anthony Davis, has an injury history. You know, it wasn't a shock when he got hurt the other night. It obviously was bad luck, but it wasn't a shock. Colin, if you look back at the percentage of games, that Luca Donchich and Anthony Davis have played for their respective teams. The Lakers in the time AD has been there and the Mavericks in the time Luca has been there. Luca has played about 70% of the regular season games he was able to play, even being, quote, out of condition.

Anthony Davis, 55% during his Lakers tenure. That's a huge swap you're making if you're the Dallas Mavericks. And Anthony Davis is older by several years. 31. The Mark Williams move, listen, he's missed more games than he's played. I saw him at Duke, and I just remember long, athletic, nice little touch around the rim, you know, a guy that's going to develop over time, I thought he was perfect. A little bit like Robert Williams of the Celtics, I'm not sure if he's going to be available for four games and a seven-game series.

But when he's available, he changes the chemistry of the defense, right? If you remember Robert Williams against the Warriors in the final when he played, Golden State was kind of flummoxed about you couldn't score at the rim. So I thought it worked. Then he didn't pass a physical. JMAC had said this earlier. Is this one of these things where apparently there was a story where LeBron didn't love how much power Luca had in the move and Luca had a say? Or is this just the physical went sideways on Mark Williams? I mean, we don't know what was going on inside the Lakers front office, why they decided to rescind the trade.

And the reason we don't know is they don't have to say. And this is a fascinating aspect of these MBA rules. that when the guy comes over, you give him a physical, it could be a hangnail. You can say, I don't like the way he looked at the eye chart. So you have the power as the trade partner to not only rescind the trade, you are now marking Mark Williams as damaged goods to the rest of the league, right? So you are distressing Charlotte's asset. And what if Charlotte had made a subsequent trade to back up the fact that they didn't have Mark Williams anymore

and had approved that trade themselves? And then they would be stuck, having given away some of their assets, to replace a guy that ended up back on their bench. So it is all within NBA rules. The Lakers did nothing wrong. However, it is an interesting situation that the Lakers have put Charlotte in, and with the reporting right now that Charlotte is going to the NBA and saying, hey, something's fishy here.

They don't have any recourse because of what the NBA rules are right now, but it does bring up a situation that we should all keep watching because it's possible this gets addressed in the next CBA or something like that. Okay, I don't know. I do think Jimmy Butler makes the Warriors more interesting. interesting, and I do think they needed a two for Steph. Pods isn't there. Draylon's more of a three at this point in his career.

So I think it works. He's also kind of the opposite of Steph. He's about defense, mid-range. He's not ball handling and threes. There was a little bit, though, and I had said this a month ago, I'm like, they need Jimmy Butler, because I watch Warrior games. When Steph's off the floor, they're boring. They're not fun to watch.

And people, this is the Bay Area, new arena. they are charging top of the league and it's like, it's not a very good product. Did it hinted desperation or do you think this is something they willingly did and just thought, hey, it's going to get us in the playoffs? I think they were desperate. I think they basically acknowledged as such in the days leading up to the deadline. And I think this does make the end of Steph's tenure in Golden State much more palatable. Does it make them a contender?

Absolutely not. But they maybe weren't even going to make the playoffs this year, which would be just embarrassing with Steph Curry playing as well as he is, still playing, being required to carry the load the way he has been required to carry it for the first two-thirds of the season. Now, if he has an off night, if he can't play, Jimmy Butler can ostensibly go in and lead the team and put the team on his shoulders. So that makes just a huge difference for them.

It's going to make those games for those fans much more fun. It's going to make the games for Steph more fun, which is important. As a franchise, you want to reward him. He's an intense player that's fun to watch. 100%. And you don't want this to turn into Kobe at the end of his career where he's dragging this 21 team around. You want this to be a fun, functional team, even

if they're not a contender. Steph's won four titles. If he leaves, without ever winning another one, he's going to still go down of one of the greatest players of all time and one of the most accomplished. So what you really want to do in this stretch is make this fun and make it respectful of him and what he deserves.

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and the Knicks really built a formidable front office. They've made a lot of good moves. I mean, I like everything the Knicks have done for two years. But I have watched them, and I watched the last game, I've watched them play Boston twice and get bulldozed. It's not competitive. They don't have the scoring options. I mean, that game against Boston the other night was over in four minutes.

I like their front office. I guess my take is Boston's the best team in the league. I'd bet anything they're going to win again. What's New York going to do? They're not going to beat Boston in a seven-game series. Where is New York? You've got Mikhail, you got Jalen, you got Carl Anthony Towns. There was a lot of rumors.

Carl Anthony got there to get to another deal. I still think Janus is a swing eventually. Sure. Where are the Knicks in their rebuild? Because I think to this point, you'd have to be overjoyed outside the games against the Celtics on what New York has done. Let's not forget. The Celtics are a historically good team. What they did last year was literally historic, had never been done before,

and then they won the finals in dominant fashion. And just because they've hit a little bit of a lull this season, we've seen all kinds of champions, have a little bit of a hangover. It's 82 games. You're bored in the middle of the season, no matter what you say. It doesn't mean they're not still a historically good team when it matters. And against the Knicks, trust me, it matters to them. Oh, they're motivated.

So we see the difference there. I think the Knicks have done a terrific job, as you said. I like the moves that they made in the summer. It was a lot to give up for bridges, but I like bridges, and I like his fit there once he got comfortable. I just don't think they're as good as Boston. And there's a chance they could sneak into the finals anyway. No one expected Dallas to get into the finals last year.

No one expected Miami to get into the finals the two times they've been in the last five years. So it could happen. They're just not the favorites. I would put them behind Cleveland and Boston in terms of the favorites to reach the final. And I think they'll just have to keep developing with this score. And yeah, if I Janus comes up down the road, Janice made an interesting comment after the doctor trade. He said, yeah.

He goes, I think all European superstars should play in big markets. Guys should play in New York. That's what it feels like to me. It does. It does. It feels like and I like Carl Anthony, little quirky, little inconsistent, terrific, very gifted offensive player. And flourishing there. Yep, nope, shooting great threes.

So I want to go back to the Dallas Mavericks. So this has been my theory. Okay. Okay. I'm going to lay this out. Give it. Go, go. Okay.

Okay. So I called somebody that has no. know Nico, the GM of the Mavericks for 22 years. Yeah. And I said he made the Kyrie deal, and it worked. He made a great trade deadline deal. It worked. He drafted the kid out of Duke lively.

I'm like, and he rose very quickly in Nike, the shoe giant in North America, my 20, 30 years. Yes. He has a lot of success. He can't just get dumb. No. They've got new owners. And my belief was. especially when they only got one draft pick,

is that he found a trade partner. He knew Luca. The Lakers know they can re-sign Luca. I mean, you're not going to send him in New Orleans. So it was a limited trade. They should have more than one team. But my take is to only get Christy, AD, and a draft pick, at some point, you were just told, get it done.

Now, I am, according to Dallas Insiders, it is just a lone wolf. It's hard for me to believe the new owners staring down the barrel at the new max contract, the $75 million a year, double Mahomes almost, didn't have some influence in this deal. I mean, look, it's possible,

but a number of people would have to be publicly lying. So maybe they all are, but Nico has described the series of events as he went to ownership. Ownership has described the series of events as Nico came to them. There's been insiders, among connected reporters saying it went in that direction.

So anything's possible, of course, but I do think it originated with Nico. I don't think Nico's dumb at all. I have a tremendous around of respect for him, and I've known him for decades. His career, even his moves just in Dallas, have been pretty damn cagey. But I do think that as an organization, just like with any organization, in any field, you can get a little inside yourselves, right? The sort of something becomes a problem. Then it becomes the only problem that everyone talks about.

then finding solutions becomes the key and then it's like well who has an outside of the box solution and then if you have that outside of the box solution and you know you're about to do something that will wreck the fan base you do tend to go to the trade partner you're most comfortable with he's known rob polinka for decades himself they had a very long and close relationship through Kobe Bryant so it might urge you even if you are in no stretch of the imagination a dumb guy to go toward that sort of i can trust this guy i know that rob's one of the few guys in the NBA who won't leak this. All sorts of parameters that made it the best decision for Nico in that moment to only go to Rob and the Lakers, but it was not the best decision for the franchise overall,

and it's just possible circumstance obscured that for him. I know that the Lakers were saying, hey, we got to hold back one of those first round picks because we don't know for sure that Luca will sign, and you're saying maybe that would have dampened the trade market. The Dallas Mavericks traded for Kyrie Irving, who was going to be a free agent just months later and who had a terrible reputation at the time. Teams trade for people. Toronto traded for Kauai Leonard, knowing that he was almost definitely not going to stay. Guess what? They want a title out of it. I guarantee you if you had called every team about Luca Donchage, even the team's Detroit, where he wasn't going to sign a long-term deal, I would say 90% of them would have still

put together a package to trade for him anyway. And you could have gotten a better deal if you're Dallas. It's just inarguable. And the fact that they are facing this much backlash anyway tells me it's not a situation where, oh, well, at least they avoided all the fan backlash by doing it this way. They didn't. I think that they have done irreparable harm in their relationship with the fan base, and I think they are only starting to discover that. This is a Dallas fan base that thrives on loyalty that is used to Dirk and had a set up and an influence from Mark Cuban about the way this team was going to operate, and they feel very betrayed. Okay, so J. Mack mentioned this. I saw this last night.

Dirk Novitsky was at Cryptoor Arena. Oh, yes, he was. So was that symbolic? He said that he wanted to be there for Luca, that they got legitimately close, and that he wanted to be there. He said, I'm still a Mabbs for life. I'm still loyal to the Mavs. He made that point. Dirk did.

But it's not nothing that he was sitting there with Luca as opposed to sitting in the arena in Dallas. It's not nothing. You know who I feel bad for? Dalton Connect. You know what? I think Dalton Connect has to be the happiest guy in the planet right now. I understand he was on the bench last night. He looked a little disoriented.

I just want you to imagine your Dalton Connect for a minute. You get drafted. You get drafted to the Lakers, which you didn't even really expect. You weren't necessarily on the board for them. You walk in, you're playing for the L.A. Lakers. You become a little bit of a cult hero the way sharpshooting rookies always do, right? The fans love you. You're playing with LeBron James. You got the Bruni show going on next to you.

You got all the stuff going on. Then they trade for Luca Donchich. Hey, Ma, I'm going to spend the next however many years in my career in a Laker uniform, living in Los Angeles, playing with Luca Dantzich and LeBron James. And all of a sudden you get a phone call, what, 48 hours later, by the way, you're going to Charlotte, and who knows what's going to happen to you after that? Then they rescind the trade. I understand some people might feel a certain kind of way about being traded away by their team and then call back.

But if I'm Dalton Connect, I'm nothing but happy. You know, the other thing is the Lakers now are a very young, dynamic offensive team. Austin's Young, Dalton's Young, Lucas Young, Jackson Hayes, semi-young. When I watched them last night, my take was, oh, they're fun to watch. The Lakers are fun to watch. A lot of good energy. Need a rim protector. But I kind of felt like AD and LeBron was a little bit of a train in nowhere.

I did. I felt like, well, LeBron's older. AD gets hurt. Austin Reeves could end up a lot of times being the number two guy on the floor. I'm like, that doesn't feel like anything. Like I'm watching last night and I'm like when Dalton Connect plays, you got a catch-and-shoot guy, athletic guy. They're fun now.

There wasn't a feeling prior to this trade that the Lakers were headed to the Western Conference finals. Exactly. And now you can make that case. Now, what is going to happen when they hit Denver? And you've got Nicola Yokic in the middle and no one to defend it. Yeah, but Denver can't defend. Well, I was going to say, but what is going to happen when you hit Oklahoma City?

But Denver has defensive problems of its own. And Oklahoma City doesn't have huge front line, you know, situation here either. So. He's back now, but he is more frail, I would say, than some of the other, you know, real big, big forces in the NBA and the West. And the Timberwolves are not what they were last season. And so I think there's a lane there. I still wouldn't call them the favorite in the West,

but I definitely think it's going to be interesting. I was at that game last night, Colin, and there was a substitution where they said, and now for LeBron James, Luca Donchich, and just that idea that if they wanted to, the Lakers could play either Luca or LeBron for 48 straight minutes, often both of them, is crazy. And whatever their other deficiencies are defensively,

I still have some worries LeBron might run out of gas at some point. I don't think he's going to be able to play at the level he's been playing this last month for the next six months straight. But no matter what, the idea that you can have games where one of them is on the floor and likely more, you know, much more of the time, both of them, from the entire game. That's insane. Yeah. It's nuts.

It was fun to watch. Rachel Nichols. S.O. was great seeing you. Thank you. All right. We take a break. Come back. Heardline News live in Los Angeles.

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Saturday on Fox, primetime hoops, two of the Big Ten's best go head to head at 7.30 Eastern, 11th ranked Michigan State takes on Illinois. Don't you think it's ironic that Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson, who are kind of rivals reportedly didn't love each other, are going to both be on the market? I think it's kind of ironic, right? Like Aaron sort of looked down at Russell, and Russell, you know, kind of rolled his eyes at Aaron. And now they're both in the exact same spot. coaches of multiple teams moving off them. And are either of them ahead of Kirk Cousins or Sam Darnold in the pecking order of designer? No, no, no, no.

Sam Darnold's still in his athletic prime. Yeah, Sam Darnold's the best available free agent quarterback. That's the best quarterback. That's available on the market. Now, for a year. Now, the question becomes if it could have Aaron, Russell, or Kirk Cousins just for a year, I think I'd take Kirk Cousins. No drama, accurate, adult.

By the way, be a mentor to the other quarterback. Notivated to bounce back after getting benched and like, oof. I thought he ran out of gas. He needs an entire offseason. Remember his first game against Pittsburgh. It's like he looked like tender. He couldn't move. Couldn't drive the ball.

And then he was pretty good. And he was average. Then he was bad. So I think, I think Kirk Cousins, like, how about you bring him in? I mean, if you drafts you do or Sanders, you're going to play him. I just, Kirk gives me limitations, but no drama,

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This is the Herdline News. What are we doing here? Philadelphia Eagles, Colin. We're still celebrating that Super Bowl win over the Chiefs. But remember, a year ago, It did not look like they would be going back to a Super Bowl. However, head coach Nick Siriani spoke on how last year's struggle helped this season's success. I think I look back on last year and how last year ended and I'm grateful.

As crazy as this sounds, I'm grateful how last year ended because it shaped us to who we are today and where we're standing today. And the adversity at the beginning of the year and shoot the adversity through the season, through injuries, through ups and downs, through everything. the next Bill Belichick right there. Well, it happens to everybody, right? You go through adversity, right? And then you come out on the other side stronger, assuming you don't quit throwing the towel. Yeah.

I think this was a Super Bowl with multiple MVP's. Coaches, GMs, owner, quarterback, O-line, D-line. It was a very, it's a very complimentary football operation. Whereas I felt in the end of the year for Kansas City, it was a lot of Mahomes, Chris Jones, and cross your fingers. I mean, it was very dependent because Travis, Kelsey, not the same player. You didn't trust Kareem Hunt coming out of the back room?

Well, I mean, it was Andy Reed, Mahomes, Chris Jones, and a lot of... Smoke and Mirrors. Just say it. It's fine. I know they went 15 and 2, but it was a smoke and mirror season. They didn't score 30 points. Except until that playoff game against... Was it the Bills?

Yeah. They just couldn't score all season. They weren't good. No, that's fair. And by the way, how about this? Eagles after the buy, this season went 16 and 1, Colin. That's absurd. Look at that.

16 to 1. They had the early buy. Remember, they had to change some things after the Tampa loss? 31 points a game. That's something. Now, Martin, when I brought this up, he's like, you know, it's not about adversity. It's about Sequant Barclay. Seqquant Barclay joins the offense.

Now there are the points per game through the roof. You know who won this year? Biggest picture in the league, running backs. Every team that went and got a running, Derek Henry, Sequin Barclay. I mean, look around the league. Aaron Jones.

Josh Jacobs. Every team that went and got a running back made the playoffs. All those teams, I mean, J.K. Dobbins when he was healthy for the Chargers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good one. Next up is the SAFE. They officially announced Kellynne Moore with an ex-head coach. However, how about this?

This is kind of spicy. Yesterday, a gentleman by the name of Grant Paulson of one. 106.7, the fan in Washington, D.C., reported a rival team official told him the Saints job was Cliff Kingsbury's if he wanted it. It was made clear to him that was the case. However, Kingsbury said I'd rather call plays in Washington, D.C. with Jaden Daniels. I think he's smart. I do not think the Saints is a good gig. In fact, I think when we rated jobs, when there were like seven openings, I think I had the Saints last.

everybody was making fun in New England. I'm like, New England's job's great. I get Drake May and a good owner. I mean, I, listen, Ben Johnson stayed in Detroit for a year, and we didn't know how that would affect his job market. You know, the old strike when the iron's hot. He got the best job. So I don't think the Saints is a good gig.

So Kingsbury, being a head coach in Arizona, went through a bunch of crap with Kyler, the owner. He's seen, hey, man, a lot of stuff matters. It's not just I'm a head coach. And dodging this bullet in New Orleans, I think, very smart by giving them. You have got to not, I mean, let's be completely honest about the NFL. As a head coach, there's two things you've got to worry about. Do I have a nutty owner or a solid owner?

And there's about 10 of those. And do I have a really good quarterback, either a young guy that I can mold or an old guy that can win? You're not winning in this league when you got crazy owner and mediocre quarterback. I don't care how good your roster is. I mean, Jeffrey Lurie of the Eagles and Jalen Hertz, beyond the roster, it's like, oh, I can win with those guys. That's a good Philadelphia keeps, you know, that's a good job. Yeah. There's about, let me tell you something.

There's about seven, six or seven great, quarterbacks, coaches, owners, GMs. It's a, like any profession, there's a lot of these owners right now that are below average. I'm trying to think of a job with Kingsbury would leave for. Again, leaving Jake and games. Let's think about one. Well, I got three. The New York Giants. I thought about that.

They don't have a quarterback yet. Do they have a path to one? I don't know. Miami Dolphins are interesting. What do you think of two? Does Kingsbury like him? Does he want to be? You're just playing for second place in that division until Josh Allen's out of his prime.

You're playing for second place. Okay, so the third one is Arizona, but he's not going back to Arizona, obviously. No, I think Arizona is well coached. I think you have a quarterback. Well, when I watch him, I think they're, I think they've got out on Gannon. I'm just saying like, Like, he's got to show improvement. I'm just thinking around the league,

I don't know where there's an opening Kingsbury would leave for. And you've got Jaden Daniels. Like, you're not hard up to leave him. He could be the next Mahomes for all we know, right? That's a good question. It's a very good question. Because we know there's going to be seven new coaches next year. Where are the openings?

One of the openings, and I feel terrible for saying this, because I think he does a good job, Zach Taylor. If they don't make the playoffs again. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's it right there. Yeah, that's, you know, again, I think Zach does a good job. I think the ownership is weak. You're the only one in that camp.

I mean, not even Bengals fans are out on him. Ask music. I mean, they don't like him. He's not a good coach. Music, is he a B coach? Music's going to be politically correct. Okay, so music said he's a B coach. Oh, come on.

I don't think you understand the limitations. B isn't bad? He's not a B. They had to sell stadium naming rights in Cincinnati to pay for Burrell's contract. They are at, you could argue, it is bottom. three ownership situation and the owners now the GM. How's that working in Dallas? Maybe the Bengals will trade Joe Burrow.

I'll call him fat on the way out the door and disparage his character. Let me throw this one out. Dallas. Clipson Kingsbury and Dallas. What are you going there for? Crazy owner, bad quarterback. Well, you weaken Washington. So Jerry says, hey, it'll weaken Washington.

because after Washington sweeps the Cowboys next year and drops 45 on him, you're going to try to weaken the commander. Brian Schottenheimer has not even hung a picture in his office, and you've got it out the door already. That is cold-blooded coward. Final story is the 49ers. They have some decisions to make. Obviously, Debo Samuel asked for a trade.

Brock Purdy's eligible for extension. 49ers owner Jed York said, I know we want Brock to be here for a long time. We'll do everything we can to make that work. Colin? 49ers could host the Super Bowl. It's in the Bay Area next year. That's not a quote that he's coming back at all cost.

We want Brock to be here for a long time. I'm just, I'm really curious if Aaron Rogers somehow, remember, isn't he a Northern California guy? Is that where he's from? Do you think they trade Brock Purdy? What's the market for? You got to have somebody who loves Brock Purdy. I think he's good, but.

Let me tell you something. Six months ago, you had this guy, you had it Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamard, Brock Purdy. His numbers last, that season were worthy of top five. He was awesome. What would you pay him? What's the most you'd pay Brock Purdy? I mean, I'm a cheapskip. So I would probably go, I would cap it at 40 mil, a very team-friendly deal.

Daniel Jones contract. Yeah, I'd give him a penny more than Daniel Jones. I'm saying he's way better than Daniel Jones. And if he pushes back, be like, dude, What do you want me to do? Look at the teams paying their quarterback's top dollar. They're not even making the playoffs. You think Kyle wants Aaron?

That would be fascinating. That would be not quite Luca to the Lakers, but Aaron Rogers to the Niners, that's spicy. Aaron Glenn did not want the player or the person in the building unless camp, no TV interviews. Like Aaron Glenn put his foot down, bro. I'm not looking at part-time Aaron. And if Aaron, I mean, again, with the nine-term. They've got to win some games now. They had a bad season.

You know, Lottie Da, Aaron, hey, I'm going to go do some traveling. I don't think that plays in San Francisco. I had to look this up. Aaron Glenn's never won anything, so he needs to start fresh. Kyle Shanahan's been on the doorstep. Can Aaron Rogers get me over the hump?

I don't think he can. Aaron's not coming in cheap, so you're not going to be able to rebate. You're going to have to hit on like five draft pick. That old line needs rebuilding. I wonder what the podcasting rules are going to be if the Niners make a run at Rogers. Well, I don't think they care.

They're going to write that into the comment. I don't think they care about that. I'm kidding. Come on. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Good stuff today, Jay Mack.

We really did a nice job. Hold on. When do we not have good stuff? It's a great question. I'm not kidding. Well, when I'm passing out after six minutes on the air, it's not a great day. And handing the show to you and you didn't even know you were going to do it. I didn't know if I was like a backup.

quarterback getting called in. It felt like Tyrod Taylor, Justin Herbert-ish, you being Tyrod Taylor, remember the... It's not like Fox's medical team hurt me. By the way, Nick Wright was on earlier. A lot of Mia Coppahs, not really, but talked about the big upcoming season for Kansas City. The Chiefs, we all know since Patrick's been there, seven years, they have a two-game, one or two-game season.

It starts in the conference championship round. Two years they've gone, O-N-1, both years they made. massive changes. One year after going 0-1, they fired the D coordinator, brought in Spags. One year after going O and 1, they traded Tyree Kill. Three years, they've gone 2 and 0. We know what you do after that, you hold a parade. They've now twice gone one and one. The first time they did it, they remade the offensive line. I'm very curious what they do the second time. They will make a major adjustment. I don't know what it'll be, but it's not going to be quiet this off-season. in Kansas City. I promise you that.

Well, 31st, they need... Now, would Kansas City move up to get the offensive tackle? I don't think there's a great offensive tackle in this draft. I think Joe Alt's better than... Who the Chargers got is better than all the offensive tackles.

It is a running back D-tackle. Decent tight-end class. But, you know, it's just amazing how things change. First, it's Travis, Kelsey, Taylor Swift, Cloud 9. And then you look up and you trail 34 to nothing. Colin,

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