The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Mark Few joins The Herd
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a company that has exploded
over the last 8 to 10
years of fanatics. The CEO
entrepreneur, the founder of it is
Michael Rubin, former owner of the
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You are, Michael, first of all, it's great to see you again.
It's always a pleasure to see you.
I could see you, my friend.
So you are at the heartbeat, feet on the ground of so many things that are happening.
It's a very fluid world, sports gambling, live events.
You were just in Paris.
So let's take the Olympics, for example.
I was of the belief that the World Cup had surpassed the Olympics in global scope.
Young people were more into that.
And then I watched the Olympics, and I was blown away.
Some of it, I think, is because our politics are so ugly and divisive.
we all wanted to smile and root for America.
You went there as well.
What is your takeaway on, for instance, fanatics?
What did you do as a company and say, hey, this works, this connects with people.
You, Michael Rubin, what did the Olympics mean for you and your company?
Well, I think for me, the Olympics were absolutely amazing, both on a personal and fanatics level.
On a personal level, I got to go there with my 18-year-old daughter right before she goes to college
and have some great memories with her
watching the comeback against Serbia
and the ultimate gold medal victory
for men's basketball. It's just unbelievable.
I think also, from a fanatics perspective,
the Olympics mean a lot.
There's just such great fandom.
I mean, Olympics were up 200%.
This Olympics versus last Olympics
from a sales perspective.
We created the first ever
training card that had LeBron,
KD, and Steph on it together.
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so coveted by
sports collector. So for us, I think we were really able to create great products for the Olympics
and also see the fandom come out in a big way. And it was great. I mean, from the merchandise
sales that we did over there operating the USA House and Team USA to just what we saw globally
through the entire network. You know, again, our politics are very divisive in this country,
but yet I watch our young athletes. But I watch our young athletes. And I just find myself just so
impressed with these 28-year-olds who give their life to this sport.
They're so gracious.
They're so humble.
But here's another thing that blows me away.
LeBron James is worth probably a billion dollars.
He is playing like it's the most important game of his entire life.
Steph Curry bringing these guys to tears.
You've owned an NBA team.
I'm almost surprised how much the Olympics mean to our rich, famous stars.
What did you make of our effort, the passion that our pro basketball players did in Paris?
Yeah, I'm not surprised at all.
It's exactly what I would expect from them.
It's what makes Ron Braun, KD, KD, Steph, who he is.
I mean, these guys are the ultimate competitors,
and the last thing they wanted to do was not bring a gold medal home for their country.
So for me, I sat there, like, this was one of the craziest sports events I've ever been to,
watching them fight to come back and beat Serbia,
watching them fight against,
by the way,
a really strong French team,
and Victor,
who was so impressive,
and you just look at what he's going to do in the future,
but it was incredible.
I mean,
they weren't taking anything other than the victory.
I think the great thing about basketball is how global it's become.
Yeah.
And so I think going forward,
you're going to see much closer competition between the countries.
And I think that's a great thing for the sport.
I think it's a great thing for,
you know,
just how we're globalizing.
But it was exactly what.
what I expected. Look, I would have preferred a 40-point blowout because I don't like, you know,
I got enough stress in my life. I don't want a close game. I want to see my team win, but I was so
proud. I mean, when people were running around with flags, I actually, there's a picture of me and
KD together with him and the flag. I'm like, frame that picture up for me. I want that picture
in my office. I mean, it meant a lot to me, so I felt honored to be part of this. You know,
it's interesting. Years ago, I've dealt with some gambling companies, and draft kings right now is one I deal with,
And one of the things I've always asked is I want the fans to win.
And the average sports fan bets $4 per game.
And I just think I like when sports fans are passionate.
I don't want anybody to have trouble with it.
So sports gambling is something Europe's been ahead of us.
I'm for it.
I'm a proponent.
I think 99.9% of people are smart.
It adds juice and fun to their life.
What inning?
Because it's been in Europe a lot longer.
We have all this technology, all these apps, the immediacy of betting.
What inning do you think we are in sports gambling?
Is it still the third inning with growth?
Where are we at in the history of it and where we're going?
Yeah, so first, we can't forget that online sports betting was a giant business
that was illegal and unregulated in the U.S.
So what we're doing is we're seeing the gambling move from illegal sports betting
to legal sports betting, which is a great thing because now we can protect betters, gamblers,
sports fans the way that you couldn't when it hadn't been regulated.
I think we're in the second or third inning.
One of the things I love is that in the fan gear business
and in the collectibles and trading card business,
I think we're a real leader.
In this online sports betting business,
people have said we have no chance.
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I think today we've only watched a fanatic sports book
last September out of beta.
I think today there were three great apps,
and we're one of them.
I think Fandul, Draf Kings, and Fanax all have a great app.
That's what betters tell us every day.
we've brought our market share dramatically
in the 10 months we've been live
and we're just getting started
this business.
So I'm incredibly excited
for the chance to compete
for the online sports betting business.
I think fanatics,
we have a lot of advantages.
There are three great products
between Fandall,
draft kings and fanatics,
and there's economics are kind of similar.
I think what we can do
is great experience
of relationships with gamblers
that nobody has the assets
of the FNAX has.
So I think we're just getting going
in America.
I think there's going to be a lot of growth.
Today we're in,
you know,
low 20s,
amount of states
that are legalized for online sports betting.
And I think you're going to see more states continue to legalize.
I think you're going to see more growth within each state.
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I think being a sports fan,
I have friends who are dads,
and they can literally watch their son.
play baseball on the internet, all of them, every single game.
It could be in rural Arizona or New York City, and they're on their computer in their office
watching their son play.
Sports gives us so much that we, so much access.
This weekend you have a fanatics fest in New York City, and you create events.
Those events weren't, I'm from a small town.
They were not available to me.
I couldn't see athletes.
I didn't get that visceral connection to sports.
That's what you do for a living.
You connect people to sports.
What's the thing, what's the fest in New York?
There's a fan fest this weekend in New York.
What is it?
Yeah, so first, we're super excited.
This has never been done before, and this is a first time we've done it.
It's the first of this kind of kind event.
Look, so many other industries had great events for their industry.
Comic-Con, where we got this idea from, has 250,000 people that come out for Comic-Cola in their customs each year in New York City.
So many music festivals of you're a fan of music.
South by Southwest, there's never been anything like this in the sports industry.
So we're creating first of a kind sports festival,
Javitt Center, this Friday, Saturday and Sunday,
August 16th through the 18th.
We're going to have more than 200 athletes coming out for this.
We're going to have tens of thousands of fans.
And no one's ever done something like this.
And we've got, you know, Tom Brady coming,
Peyton Manning, Eli Manning,
Kevin Durant, Anthony Edwards from the Olympics with their gold medals.
You know, Mike Tyson and Jake Paul doing their press conference
for the upcoming fight in November.
biggest wrestlers from WW, the biggest UFC fighters coming, each sports league having an activation
of what's most important for their kind of fan fest. So I think no one's been able to pull together
an event like this before. And we're super humbled and excited to do something like this.
You know, my test is to sports fans, through tens of thousands of people say, this was such an
incredible event. I loved it. Do all the talent to come out and say, you know, we had a blast doing
this and it's the social pickup for us in front of it. I think it will be. Some of the things we're
going to have are insane. Tom Brady's throwing passes for an hour.
hour to kids on Friday.
You know, Kevin Durant and Anthony Edwards are going to play basketball with kids for half
an hour on Saturday and play football with kids for half an hour.
We've got, you know, more than 10 basketball players playing basketball with kids at this
event.
So I think no one could create the kind of immersive festival where people get to do all these
things.
And so it's going to be a lot of fun.
Yeah, you know, if you are in a unique position and some of it's terrifying where you have to
predict problems before they exist.
You know, the great line from Steve Jobs is he created the iPhone before people knew they needed it.
His whole thing was, I'm going to create stuff.
You don't even think you need it and you can't live without it.
You're in a business where you also are kind of projecting and predicting where all this is going.
We have been in this very, a lot of fluidity over the last decade in sports and streaming and what you're doing, collectibles.
You've taken, you know, I've said before, I don't know if this is a compliment.
and I feel like you're Amazon for sports.
If I want something, I just go to fanatics, right?
And that's what you do better than anybody.
The future's going to be turbulent for some.
If I said 10 years from now, what does sports look like?
Is there something that you think to yourself, folks, it's a rocket chip,
or have we exhausted many of the new technologies for sports?
Yeah, it's a great question because I think five to 10 years,
ago, a lot of people thought sports was peaking and they were completely wrong. I think sports
could not have more secular growth to it. I think the only people really care about is live
sports. It's the one thing that we just can't get enough of. So I think the sports industry will
have tremendous. Look, at the end of the day, there's a few billion passionate sports fans
throughout this world, whether it's their soccer team that they love, or their badminton team,
or their cricket team or their NFL or NBA team
or their baseball team or watching their favorite
WWE or UFC fight.
I mean, there's just so much great sports fandom.
I think for us, we're in three businesses today.
We obviously have a strong leadership position,
the fan gear business and the trading card and collectibles business
to start in the online sports betting business.
I think we feel like a scrappy startup.
We do not feel like a big company.
We feel like a scrappy startup.
We think there's so much to doing these three businesses.
But over time,
my dream is that you can go to the Fanatics app and do everything you'd want in one place.
But ultimately, you have to start with a fan and say, how do you make everything better for the
sports fan? And if we do that well, our opportunity is endless.
But I think technology is going to keep evolving.
The way we consumer sports and watch sports will keep evolving.
And I think our job is to help connect the fan with their favorite team, with their favorite
player.
And that's what Fanatic is all about.
And we're, you know, like we're just getting started.
We feel like we're the first inning of the game.
So, well, sports betting may be in the second or 30.
I feel like fanatics.
We're just getting started.
You look at us as a, you said kind of a company where we can go do a lot of things.
I look at us as a company.
It's just getting starting.
We have to be better at everything that we do.
And we're striving to do everything at a much higher level.
You created something called the White Party, which is now it's a lot of celebrities.
And it's more than a party.
It's a small quiet party.
But it feels it's something.
There's something to it.
What was the vision of it?
Is it bigger than it?
than you thought when you started it was it i mean there's a lot of people famous people go to parties
all the time what was the intention how intentional were you of it and what did you want it to be
yeah less intentional than you think the one thing i thought about was and people know this about
my story since i barely met in high school was a terrible athlete always loved business from the time i
was you know a young kid eight years old starting as an entrepreneur i always love bringing people together
That's the way that I learn.
So I like to get great people from different backgrounds around me and learn from each other.
And so the great thing about the white party, and the reason I started it was how could I bring all
these people from different backgrounds together and have them do great things together?
So it's a very small party.
It's less than 400 people.
But what it has is so many of the best business founders and CEOs, best athletes, best artists, best
celebrities, just a great crew together.
And people come to a party.
It goes for 13 hours and they have a great time.
But I think what comes out of it is a lot of new relationships, a lot of great.
great learning and I really I think helps a lot of people so I love the ability to bring people
together it's one of the things I enjoy most in life it's what I'm doing with fanatics fest this
weekend is what I do with the white party that we created we've only done it this was only our
fourth year and I think I'm honored to you know be the host of the white party and I'm honored to
help start fanatics fest which I hope happens in many big cities across the world whether it's
London or Tokyo or Brazil or L.A. Like how do we bring Fanatic Fest to all these big cities in the world
because we love bringing people together
because I think that's what being a sports fan is all about
is connecting with your team
with your favorite athlete
and I think we're going to do a lot of this weekend.
Fanatics Fest, New York City going on this weekend.
Michael Rubin, the founder and CEO,
they are part of every bit of sports.
Merchandise, trading, events,
sports gambling, obviously live commerce, collectibles.
It is, I get to see about once a year.
I always look forward to it.
Michael, I appreciate it.
Can't wait to see you next time live
and appreciate being with you.
You bet.
Michael Rubin.
Good stuff.
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No, no, no, no.
Turn on the news.
This is the herd line news.
Let's start with your boy, Matt Stafford,
entering his 15th NFL season.
He turned 36 in February.
Last year, he stayed healthy,
played 15 games.
In a recent interview, Colin,
Stafford said he'd like to keep playing
for another three or four
seasons? I love it. But he admitted he's taking things year by year so he can be certain about
his health. So three years ago, healthy Super Bowl. Two years ago, not healthy, disaster.
Last year, healthy playoffs. They have rebuilt the O-line. I do think next year they've got a
first, second, third, two or three-fifths, three or four, six. I think they're going to
draft a quarterback and an offensive tackle and a receiver. I think they've leaned heavily
on defense at the top of the drafts last several years.
I think they're going to get him some help.
I think they're going to get a tackle, receiver.
I think they realize Stafford's one of about five great ones in the league.
So I think if you look at what McVeigh is doing, Blake Corum,
they're trying to build a strong running game, an excellent interior O-line to, again,
augment Stafford as he ages.
They're doing it the right way, which is run game, clean pocket, get rid of the ball
quickly and I just don't think you can replace Matt Stafford.
I don't think this Rams to LA thing would feel nearly as big.
And that's not a shot at Jared Goff, but Stafford's taking it to a new level.
Oh, yeah.
It feels like, you know, which Stafford on the field, they've got a shot against any.
Anybody.
They're in the mix.
And I got to give props to the front office here with the Rams.
They rebuilt this because it looked bleak.
When they, after the Super Bowl year, you know, the Stafford injury and they didn't look
like a good team.
It looked like it was over.
Remember McVeigh? Is he going to go be an announcer on Amazon games and Aaron Donald's stuff?
And they've rebounded well. I still don't have them as a playoff team, but that could change.
We still got one more, right?
We're going to pick the playoff teams here in a couple weeks.
I got two more when the preseason, well, I got one more at least.
Yeah, you're taking off a lot of time here coming up, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A couple days off. Another vacation. Yes, yes, that's how it is.
Next up, Detroit Lions.
Bummer for the Lions.
Jemir Gibbs.
the young fella, he was a rookie last year, man, he had some pop, some juice, suffered a hamstring injury and had to leave practice early.
It's unclear how long he'll be out.
But already the Lions are saying, yeah, he won't play the rest of the preseason.
He had 1,200 yards from scrimmage, 11 touchdowns, and I thought he was phenomenal last year.
This kid really was exciting.
Added a new dimension of the offense.
Amara St. Brown pops.
Gibbs pops.
When Todd Gurley was between the O-Line and Todd Gurley, that's when the Rams were at their best with Goff.
He's always better with a good O-Line in a run game to support him, and I think Gibbs is a little criticism when they took him first round.
He's been absolutely worth it.
He's been great, and they went far in the playoffs so you can't criticize it.
And I think still, the biggest retention of any coordinator is Ben Johnson staying with the Lions because he would have been able to pick his job.
Final story.
Here's a weird one for you, Colin.
Your guy, Will Levis, went viral during the draft process
when he revealed that he takes his coffee with mayo
leading to a partnership with Hellman's mayonnaise.
You can see the commercial here.
Colin, this is a real commercial,
a specialty fragrance called Will Levis number 8,
which is being advertised as containing notes of tart, lemon, mayonnaise accord,
coffee, musk, and vanilla.
In November, Levis and Helmans debuted Mayo Moka.
A drink developed and sold in Nashville consisting of hot milk, espresso shots, mayo and chocolate syrup.
That's right in your wheelhouse.
It almost looks like it's a put-on.
It is, yes.
Oh, I'm going to say it's a pretty good put-on.
It is a pretty good.
And listen, when you say something stupid like I take coffee with mayonnaise, then you lean into it.
The internet loves you, right?
The internet's weird.
This kind of feels like Baker posing with a tiger.
Remember that?
He's shirtless.
Yeah, we got your guy shirtless.
Showing off the shredded abs.
He's now dating like an Instagram model.
He's got the full shebang.
Well, let's win some football games.
Oh, is that what it's about?
I thought it was being like an internet celebrity.
That's, yeah, well, I think I want to pass on with Levis number eight.
From the time being, of course.
J-Mac with the news.
Well, that's the news.
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where doping is not only legal,
but encouraged.
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Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
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Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
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A win is a win.
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Well, 43 days
He spent in France
My kids were there for a week
And they just had the time of their lives
I thought the Olympics was so spectacular
So special
And Gonzaga's basketball coach Mark Few
Who just got in late last night
Zaggs never missed the tournament
As long as Mark's been the coach
I got to tell you you have seen a lot of basketball
But what Steph Curry did at the end
Of that game
I'm sitting there, and you've had some great offensive players.
I don't know if you could wipe the smile off your face.
Take me to what you were watching and how you felt in one of the greatest briefs,
I mean, one of the greatest shooting displays in the history of the sport.
May have been the greatest shooting display.
What were you making of it?
It was absolutely amazing to witness firsthand.
And just, I mean, again,
I would be remiss to not add
there's a reason it happened.
I've never been more impressed with somebody's approach
to their own individual workout,
and he did it diligently every single day
at the end of every practice.
I think last time I was on, we talked about it.
Game shots at game spots, at game speed.
What we talk about is coaches all the time.
And then just even if you listen to some of his quotes afterwards,
talking about just being in the moment and being present and just taking the shot.
And I told the staff afterwards he's got a little bit of the Ted Lasso,
the memory of a goldfish or whatever it is.
I mean, the next shot's just going in.
Yeah.
And it was spectacular.
I can't imagine anybody having a better shooting performance over those last two games.
Yeah.
And we needed every single one of them.
Yeah.
Because we were really, really challenged by two really, really good teams,
but not only two really good teams, but two teams that just played, you know,
exceptional on that particular day.
They put it all together to try to knock off the number one squad,
and our guys didn't buckle.
It's interesting.
And Bede started slowly, a lot of criticism.
Then he's finished very strong during the turbulence,
when everybody including me is like
and get him off the floor, give me AD,
bam, it's not working. During that
process, something
you guys figured it out, he got
sometimes closer to the basket,
where he's virtually unstoppable,
during that time when he was taking
heat, I mean, Steve at one time pulled him off
the floor two minutes into the game.
What did you do to alter
it, to pivot, to
change his environment,
his game, and his production?
I think Joel deserves all the
credit for that. I think, you know, he was really just trying to fit in with this group, in my opinion,
and in some instances, was almost overpassing. And then also, I think, for all our players, just the adjustment to FIBA basketball,
which is so much more like the college game than it is like the NBA. And then secondly, the adjustment to just, you know, we had 12 great players.
and trying to get them all in and get them in the rotation.
I mean, that's limited minutes.
And a lot of them are used to kind of like, hey,
I'll take my time to get going here and get some rhythm.
I might miss my first shots or this or that might happen.
You didn't really have time for that in this scenario.
And then the last thing I'd add,
I think the French fans approach to Joelle certainly helped
also especially when we got to Paris.
Yeah.
I mean, I really amped him up, and I think he, if he needed any extra motivation, that was it.
You know, one of the reasons, a guy that was interesting in this was Devin Booker, who just
gets shots.
He makes shots.
And sometimes in these international games, you just need shots.
That Durant, to me, is so valuable in the Olympics because you face a team like South Sudan
that's twitchy and athletic, and they're nothing like Serbia.
you. And all the teams are good.
And then there's Tatum who kind of felt lost, and he's such a good kid. He's such a
collaborative kid. But was it hard on your psyche as a coach that Tatum's not getting
minutes? Did you feel guilty? Did the staff feel guilty? Because he's such a good kid and a
great player. Totally. I think that weighed on all of us. It weighed on Steve
very heavily because he really did have, we all had such an incredible appreciation for each
and every one of our guys.
And they're all great.
I mean, as he said in the first meeting,
there's probably 12 Hall of Famers in this room.
And so, yeah, I mean, you wanted them all to have success.
You wanted them all to get to play.
But think about it, there's 200 minutes, you know,
for a team in a game like that,
and you start splitting it up.
I mean, it's hard to split it up 10 ways
and to try to split it up 12.
So a lot of that was not,
wasn't anything the guys weren't doing.
It was more like just matchup based.
And then, you know, the gift,
we kept talking about the gift
and the blessing of having this plethora of talent.
You know, the only slightly negative was
there was just so much talent.
Yeah.
You know, at some point,
somebody wasn't going to get to play
or not play as much as they're used to.
They all handled it wonderfully.
I mean, they're such a class act.
and I think one of the underrated things of this whole journey was
we had incredible team chemistry.
We have incredible.
For a group that was just thrown together.
And I'm, I don't know much, but I do know a lot about team chemistry.
I've been so blessed with that at Gonzaga and with our teams over the years.
And we had that same.
They genuinely really liked each other.
Finally, a couple minutes left.
Kevin Durand is such a unique personality.
He's such a unique player.
You can gobble up the show.
shot clock in any game, give him it with three seconds left, and he gets a great shot.
And he's just, I find him funny.
He argues with fans online.
He's just a unique cat.
But there's so much love and respect.
And he may have had more fun than any player out there.
We got a couple of minutes.
Tell me about Kevin Durant what it's like to coach him and be around him, Mark.
Wonderful, wonderful guy, total team guy.
And just, I mean, my best is.
description of it's just, Colin, he's just an absolute baller.
He just loves basketball, and I think he'll play it till he's 80 if he can.
And he's another guy that if you stick around after practice, it's just amazing to watch him go in his individuals, how hard he goes.
And that shot and that delivery of his is so sports specific and so on time.
time there's not a bit of wasted motion it's efficient and that high release and I
got to tell you one thing that always shocked me is you know we'd be in locker rooms
or rooms or whatever and AD would go walking out the door and then you know
have to duck his head a little bit KD would go at that same door and have to
duck his head the same way it's unbelievable how how tall he is and how big he is
and yet just this gifted incredible perimeter play
player that just has, there's no, there's been nobody like him, I don't think, in all of basketball.
And, I mean, he's got to go down to the annals. This is his fourth gold medal, which shows you just how
team-orientity is, because these guys made an incredible sacrifice of basically their whole summer
after long seasons to go out and do this. And absolute joy being around him at that time.
Well, I'm trying to learn French and I stink.
I'm only like eight days in, so I'm terrible.
So I'd sign off in French and I'd butcher it.
But get some sleep, get on your mountain bike.
43 days is, you need a home-cooked meal.
Well, we were 43 days over the whole journey.
That was started in Vegas, Abu Dhabi, London, and then Paris.
But I'm guessing you're farther ahead of me than I am in my mind.
so hey um mersey baku for having me on
or avoir or something like that i don't know uh great seeing you mark as always
zags basketball coach martin thank uh what a pleasure it is to talk to him and what an experience
everybody that's ever coached or been around durant they're just kind of in awe of how easy he
makes it look he just is just you know his comp almost
is like Wemby.
I watch Wemby, and I'm like,
like Wemby is Durant with like four inches.
Like there was no,
Kevin Durant came into the league.
You're like, I've never seen that.
And now the greatest prospect ever,
Wembe, it's like, oh, that,
that's the comp, his comp is after.
Like, he didn't have one coming into the league.
He's so unique and so special.
And sometimes he doesn't like us media people,
but I kind of love him.
A lot.
All right.
We'll see you tomorrow with a herd.
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Night Comedy Guy, not quite.
Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.
Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman
help make you funnier.
This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,
help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.
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We do some retirement homes.
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Imagine an Olympic.
where doping is not only legal but encouraged.
It's the enhanced games.
Some call it grotesque.
Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all,
embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year.
Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
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on the Look Back at it podcast
For 1979
That was a big moment for me
84 was big to me
I'm Sam Jay
And I'm Alex English
Each episode
We pick a year
unpack what went down
And try to make sense
of how we survived it
With our friends
fellow comedians
And favorite authors
Like Mark Lamont Hill
On the 80s
84 was a wild
It was a wild year
I don't think
There's a more important
year for black people
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On the Iheart radio app
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Or wherever you
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A win is a win.
A win is a win.
I don't care what I'm saying.
Yep, that's me.
Clifford Taylor the 4th.
You might have seen the skits,
my basketball and college football journey,
or my career in sports media.
Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement
to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show.
This is a place for raw,
unfiltered conversations with athletes,
creators, and voices that not only deserve
to be heard, but celebrated.
So let's get to it.
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