The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Mark Schlereth

Episode Date: September 5, 2022

In this hour of The Herd, FOX Sports NFL analyst Mark Schlereth joins Colin to share his intel from Denver Broncos camp as well as other observations from around the league. Finally, old friend Joy Taylor stops in to say goodbye as she heads off to a new show!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Hour three. Man, this show is flying by on a Labor Day Monday. It's the herd wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio. We are on FS1 this hour, this hour only.

And then we're back tomorrow, we're ready to go. Football season kind of begins in earnest tomorrow. Our show does. We've got a bunch of new shows. Joy Taylor, if you wonder why Jay Mack's on the show, Joy Taylor has moved off our show to speak. She's going to be on an official send-off on our last segment today. Jay Mack, who's been at the company for a long time.

is my new guy in the saddle. And so Joy Tatea, we didn't do an official send-off because she was in like Baraco. And I was off last week in Rhode Island. By the way, if you're ever out east, we have dear friends. My wife and I have really great friends out in Rhode Island. So we spent four or five days out there, a little Vermont and Rhode Island. As the climate change, you can deny it all you want. It's getting hotter and longer everywhere.

California right now is 118 in the middle of the state right now. It's the hottest air mass. history of California in September. It's the hottest air mass. Like stuff's happening. But it was so nice to go out to Rhode Island. And it's just, I've said it before. It's the Idaho of the east. A lot of people talk about Montana and Seattle, Pacific Northwest. Go to Idaho. Idaho is really beautiful. You go east. Everybody talks New York and Boston and Philadelphia. Go to Rhode Island. That is a beautiful place in America. I went to Block Island. I had a lobster roll. I might as well have been wearing whale pants and been playing lacrosse in the afternoon. I went all in on the

East Coast. You know, you're from the East Coast. There's a different, the summers there feel like it's, there's a Kennedy feel to it. You know, it's like a Camelot. It's the lobster pants, the whale belts, the golf. It's just, I love it so much. I've spent zero days in my life in Rhode Island. Oh, it's beautiful. Not even an hour. I don't think I've driven through the state. Oh, gorgeous. Isn't it the size of like, you know, this Fox lot that we're on right now? The size of this commercial read. But I will tell you, it's got a very dicey past from Buddy Cianzay, long story.

Go read the Buddy Cianzay book, the former mayor of Providence. It's the federal hill, the mafia. It's got a lot of stuff. I'll take your word for it. Rhode Island's got a lot of interesting landmarks and history. I'll just put it to that. So this weekend, I was there. The Lincoln-Riley-era kicked off at USC.

Not surprisingly, a team's already firing in all of its cylinders. Now, I know it's rice, but the energy, the efficiency, the intelligence, the speed, the clever, they scored 66 points and they barely had the ball. They barely had the ball for 27 minutes. They took advantage of opportunities presented. And that's what it was with McVeigh, an offensive coach in an offensive-leaning sport. And outside of Bama and Georgia, let's be honest about college football, everybody's scoring a lot of points. Even Alabama now, Alabama is as good offensively or better than they are defensively,

and that's not what they were in Nick Sabin's first 10 years. So if you watch college football long enough in football in general, I remember sitting through the Belichick Brady dynasty when I lived in Connecticut. And I watched every snap for the 11 years I lived out there. I never thought they were the most talented team. I thought Pittsburgh had more talent. I thought Baltimore had more talent. I thought there was a cult team or two that had more talent.

Never felt anybody was smarter than the Patriots. And when I watched Lincoln Riley, it wasn't about the score. They were going to beat Rice. The previous coach would have beaten Rice. But to take a four and eight mistake-plagged team. And in seven months, eight months, almost no penalties that mattered. Saving your timeouts.

manipulation of personnel, in and out of plays, substitution patterns. It was fast. It was quick. It was smart. And if you're a USC fan or a college football fan, you can see dumb teams. You can see slow teams. You can see weak teams.

But you can also see the opposite of that. You can see Georgia's speed, Alabama's physicality. You can see intelligence. And that's what was on display. USC got their program back. Really fun to watch. Gonna have to pry me out of that stadium. I made to go to all of them.

It was fun. All right. So a lot of different college football takes today, but I want to say this. Richard Sherman was on a podcast, his podcast, and he had George Kittle on. And they were talking about the move that surprised some that we thought Jimmy Garapolo would be traded. I initially thought, you know, get him out of here, give it the traylance. And then stories started dripping from the faucet. that Trey Lance was struggling with consistency and Trey Lance was struggling with accuracy.

Okay, then that's a different argument. So now it's like, well, this division's too good to have a quarterback that completes 57% of his throws or worse. So they re-signed Jimmy Garoppolo. And George Kittle, the all-pro tied end, says, that's okay, it's all good here. While Trey's in the driver's seed, and Tray gets to play quarterback, he has Jimmy G who knows that to win games and he can learn a lot from him. So, you know, I hope that that's how Trey takes us. And, like, he just continues to play his game because Trey's a really good quarterback. There's just aspects of football that aren't just X's and O's,

and they're not just throwing the football that Trey's going to learn from Jimmy, like just how to carry yourself, how to do certain things. And Trey does a good job with that. Just Jimmy's been doing it longer, so he's just going to learn a lot of things from it. So it's going to work to some degree for one reason. Jimmy Garoppolo is a good guy. He's a good guy. Everybody likes Jimmy Garapolo.

Brady had a problem with him, but Jimmy didn't have a problem with Brady. Brady is willful, aspirational. Get out of my way. I'm going to prove you wrong. Jimmy Garoppolo's not that. He's a good dude. He can play. I think he's always been better than people think.

But this will work because he's a good guy. He'll make the room work. If the room was a mess, it wouldn't work. The real question in this Tray Lance Jimmy Garoplo story is an easy one. How patient will Kyle Shanahan be? He's already publicly acknowledged. He's been incredibly transparent. He's inconsistent, he's inaccurate, he's raw, and he needs more practice time.

Those are on the record quotes from Kyle Shanahan. You never get that. They tell us how great Zach Wilson's been at practice. How amazing Drew Locke was in Denver. You never get a coach that goes, yeah, he's raw, he's inaccurate, it's day to day. Some days he's good, some days he's bad. All those quotes are on the record. So there's no, there's no, all the reporting, all the times I said, my scouts are telling me,

my sources are telling me it's ugly every other day. It's all true. The question becomes how patient will Kyle Shanahan be? Now he's not going to get fired, but the NFC West is very strong. So you can't allow Trey to just automatically work himself through the problems, or you're going to be on a four-game losing streak. You got the Rams twice. You got Kider Murray twice.

The other thing is the Rams, I looked this morning, face nine pro-bowl-level quarterbacks, and this is what you're going to see. So if you're average and you face average, so Trey Lance against Justin Fields, when average is on the other side of the field, you can talk yourself into things. You know, hey, he was better than Justin Fields. The next week he faces Gino Smith. Even if Trey struggles, you can argue, well, I mean, he's a lot more athletic than Gino Smith.

But when you start looking at this schedule, they got four and five game stretches. where they face Mahomes, Stafford, Herbert, Kyler Murray. So when you have great on the field for 59 plays, and you're on the field, average at 57 plays, average looks bad. Right? We all know, hey, if you're a lounge singer or a stand-up comedian and there's no great headliner, your average jokes feel big. but if you're opening up for

Dave Chappelle or David Spade and you're the comic right before him you look like a hack. So the issue with Trey Lance is not going to be in the first two weeks. But if he's completing 57% of your throws and you're watching him against Justin Herbert who goes 29 to 34 for 330 yards,

that's when it's going to be obvious. You gave away too many picks. So my question isn't whether the Niners have a great roster. They do. isn't whether Shanahan's brilliant. He is. It's not whether Jimmy Garapolo can win. He has. The question is all about patience. And Shanahan, this is very, very rare. Shanahan has gone on record saying multiple times, raw, inaccurate, inconsistent. So he's not hiding anything. He's concerned. That's why we're keeping Jimmy Garoppolo. It's obviously a hedge. You know it. I know it.

the world knows it. But I do think the reason it probably works to some degree. Now, the degree I don't know is Garoppolo is a good guy. That's why it works. If Garapolo was very, you know, territorial, it wouldn't work. If he had a short fuse, it wouldn't work. If he was insecure, it wouldn't work. It works because Jimmy's secure.

He's not that driven. He's a dude. You know, there are certain guys, if you're going on a camping trip or you're going to Vegas, you just want them to go. They just, they're, it's like the hangover. There are just certain guys, you know, Bradley Cooper, you want on the trip. Bradley Cooper is going to make the trip better. So, but I've been saying this now for several months.

The most interesting team in the league this year, not the best, maybe, but the most interesting is the 49ers. You're going to see this in real time with a great coach, a great roster, a tough division, and their schedule, they got the AFC West out there. So that's what makes it hard. It'd be one thing if he was facing on a weekly basis, Justin Fields and man, Kirk cousins, and you can talk yourself into it's working. You can't do that when Kyler Murray's on the other side or Herbert or Derek Carr or Malhams.

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It's my first or second best bet of the week. I may have put a car payment on the Vikings in Vegas to win the NFC. That's a little irrational, but the number's good. Well, it depends on the car. If it's a Bentley, it isn't right. Mark Schlereth, couple Super Bowl. Three of them actually, a two-time pro bowler. He's been to almost every Bronco practice, which, by the way, Denver in the summer is unbelievable,

so you're having a good time. So give me a little what that Denver offense going to look like. I mean, we know that Russell moves the pocket at his size. He likes to move the pocket. We know that with Kyler. What's it look like to you? Well, I think there's a couple of things. One, I think identity is really important offensively, how you're going to run the ball,

what it is that you're going to kind of hang your hat on it. You know, with Nathaniel Hackett, they really want to be a wide and tight zone football team and all the play action stuff, the bootkeep stuff that comes off of that. And I always kind of qualify or classify play action into run action versus play pass. And so that's really what they're trying to become. And I think one of the things that you see through practice

and you see through the preseason games, even though Russell Wilson didn't play, is we are going to be really good. At least we're going to try to be really good at running the ball, and we're going to stay committed to running the ball. And early in the preseason, they were averaging two and a half yards of carry. They weren't very good at it, but they were getting their attempts. And I think that's really what becomes very important here.

So you're going to see that identity of running the football. They've got two really good running backs in Gordon and obviously Javante Williams. So this is a football team that's really going to hang their hat on that and then create that play action stuff for Russell to get outside of the pocket, to have those kind of half-field reads and take some deep shots. You know, we said this in a couple of years. He's going to be making $55 million. And they gave up a lot of draft capital to get him, first and second round picks.

I love their GM. But you do put a little pressure on that front office. When you give up those picks, they've got to start finding starters, you know, third round, fourth round, fifth round. it's pressure. And I'm sure Denver can do it because they do have a handful of excellent Patrick Sertan, the running back, the safety. They got some young stars. So would you be a little concerned that with this contract, it really puts the pressure on the front office to find some, you know, for lack of a better term, cheap labor over the next couple years?

Well, yeah, I think that everybody deals with that. You know, and I always say this about the salary cap. It's really not a hard cap. It's a soft. off cap. It's very, you can manipulate it, you can throw money into the future, you can do all those things that teams do to manipulate the cap. So I don't really worry too much about the cap. I think one thing that you have to do, regardless of how much draft capital you give up, you've got to find guys in the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth round, even for agents to become stars on your football team because you have salary certainty out of those positions or out of those draft positions, if you will. So everybody has to do a good job with that because, you know, 8, 10, 12 guys on your team make 60, 70% of the money.

That's just the way the league is structured right now. So every team has to do a really good job with that. I think the other thing, when you have a franchise quarterback and you know you're going to win games, you become a destination spot for free agents. And it's not just the quarterback or it's not just, hey, let's create a contract that we can manage over the next four years for the quarterback. But you'll get free agents that will say, hey, man, I'll take a little bit less to go to a place that is a destination spot in the national football league that has a franchise type of quarterback and that has the potential of winning a championship. Getting in the playoffs, you get in the playoffs, who knows what's going to happen. So that's another big factor when you're rebuilding a team and you go after a franchise quarterback that you have to pay. you have to understand that other players that haven't had that situation, they're going to look to you as a destination spot.

So that's what George Payton, the general manager of the Denver Broncos, is really counting on with Russell Wilson and the signing. The two best rosters I saw this preseason were the Buffalo Bills, their weakness is the O line, and the Niners. Outside of left tackle, their weakness is the O line. So I'm going to ask you from a Niners standpoint, offensive lineman. Would you rather have a guy who's a pocket guy accurate Garoppolo or a young kid that if it breaks down that can move like Trey Lance?

Because the understanding with the Niners is fairly clear, Mark. Outside of left tackle, it's a pretty darn average O line. What is the way to solve an average O line? The mobile quarterback or the guy that gets it out quick and completes, not a lot of stuff over the top, though. Yeah, I think ultimately to me, the guy who understands, the guy who understands the guy that can manipulate and sit in the pocket, the guy that can get the ball out before a blitz has the opportunity to get there, you know, I call it calling the 70-30 rule for me. And 70% of the time as an offense, we need to operate on schedule, meaning, you know, we get

our first downplay and we get six yards or five yards. second down in five. Our whole playbook is open. Then we get it down to third down and one and we convert and we keep the chains moving. And being on schedule is really important. When you have a young quarterback who scrambles around that doesn't necessarily see those things right off the bat and then holds the ball a little bit too long and has to be what I call a sight thrower, well, then you start operating on a 50-50 kind of principle. 50% of the time we're on schedule, but 50% of the time we're off schedule. You'll make three or four big plays. off schedule, but you know what ultimately happens, you'll make five or six huge mistakes off schedule. And, you know, you'll give up a strip sack fumble. You'll give up some of those issues. You don't have the protection of the pocket. You'll take a big hit. And then all of a sudden, you allow the other team some momentum. Peyton Manning used to say this all the time. Allow quiet victories, not loud celebrations. When you play off schedule, what you allow is loud celebrations. because even though you'll make some big plays,

you'll give up that huge hit that just basically incites your opponent and everybody feeds off of that. The next thing you know, momentum is completely switched around and then you're losing a ball game. So those are the things you have to think about when you're playing that young quarterback. So I kind of look at these young quarterbacks. Like let's say Justin Fields in Chicago, looks the part.

Big athletic, nice whip can go. But what's happened over the last 10 years, I've seen this in high school, college, and pro is that, you know, the athletic quarterback doesn't necessarily work. It is still a distribution position, especially at pro football. That's why I always say Lamar Jackson's more accurate than anybody wants to acknowledge. I worry about Trey Lance's accuracy. Drew Locke's accuracy. Lamar is fine.

I get 63%. So I kind of look at Justin Fields. And the O line's not good. They have one legit receiver. It's a defensive head coach. So it's going to be choppy, Mark. It's going to be turbulent for Chicago. What will you have to see where you can go, all right, all right, but this is going to work because it's not going to be art.

It's not going to be optically pleasing. It's just a really, really bad O line with one legit receiver. going to get bracketed. What will you have to see in Chicago that you're like, boom, my stamp of approval, it's rocky, but it's going to work? Yeah, I guess I would have to see them, I have to see them being able to control line of scrimmage, run the football, create some really easy play action stuff. See, one of the things about the play action stuff a lot of times, you know, you're reading, you're almost having a one receiver type of route, one, one read. So it becomes very easy for the quarterback to say yes or no, you know, and hey, yes, or just check down or yes or

scramble out. I think the biggest thing for me with young quarterbacks, especially athletically gifted quarterbacks, Colin, is the default, let's call it the default mechanism. The default mechanism for guys who are blessed with athleticism, great athleticism, is always usually athleticism. That's their default mechanism. And it truly be good at the quarterback position in the National Football League, your default mechanism has to be from the neck up. It has to be, hey, I got to get rid of the ball right now, or I got to throw it away, or whatever the case may be. But it's not, hey, let me escape and do something incredible. Because like I've said before, ultimately, you'll make a couple of incredible plays, but you'll get

hurt, you'll get hit, you'll get a concussion. You don't have the, you become a running back when when you do those things. And those are the issues that I have found to be true with default mechanism quarterbacks who always default toward athleticism as opposed to the understanding of the game. And the other thing that I think happens to them is they don't fully develop the true totality of the game, getting a global perspective on the game. So they really understand everything that can happen to them.

And that's when you have that supreme gift of athleticism, that's what guys have, they've always defaulted that all the way when they were Little League Pop Warner in the playground. I'm just a better athlete than you. So let me go do this. And you don't really develop as a quarterback. And I think that's one of the big issues for me when it comes to guys who are exceptionally gifted. Yeah, that was always my knock on Big Ben, that he was, he could just like make stuff.

It was backyard football. And I never felt Big Ben at the. line of scrimmage could compete with Peyton, Tom. Like, you know, the key, he was obvious probably the biggest eighth grader, the biggest senior in high school. And I always thought with Big Ben is when you are given the gift, I never thought, and I had people that, you know, kind of knew the Steelers' offense. I never felt Ben developed as a great line of scrimmage quarterback. So I do think it's, it is something I'm going to keep my eye on all year because there's so many good young players.

Is there a team, Jason and I were talking about this? we think Kirk Cousins getting an offensive coach. I think it's a bad division. I think Green Bay is not as good. I think Minnesota is my shock the league team. 12-13 wins. Somebody's going to win 12 games or we're all going to be surprised. My guess is Minnesota.

Do you have a team in the league that you just like more than a lot of other people do? I don't know if I like them a lot more, but I've got Philadelphia at Detroit week one. And let me just tell you, Philadelphia, both, lines of scrimmage, what they've done with their wide receiving core. Their tight end, Dallas Goddard is one of the premier tied ends in the National Football League that nobody talks about. They've already had Darius Slay, who's a great matchup, one-on-one corner, and they paired

him, they paired him with James Bradbury, who's also an undervalued corner. I think, and I look at, you know, what they've done, Hassan Reddick, at the linebacker position, I think they have loaded up. Now, obviously, it comes down to does Jalen Hertz mature second year? I think this is the first time he's been in the same offense back-to-back years. So does he mature? Does he grow? Does he become better?

But you look at the talent level that the Philadelphia Eagles have. You look at their physicality. I think they probably have the best offensive line in the National Football League. I think they could do some pretty special things in Philadelphia. And, you know, people get so enamored by Dallas. I think Philadelphia wins this division. Yeah. Interesting team.

Listen, Hertz is wildly productive. And every time I've saw him, at college, he got better, Bama, Oklahoma. He got better first year to second. So Jalen Hertz is a fascinating player to watch. Mark Schlereth, Fox Sports, got the Eagles Lions, a really captivating week, one game. Great seeing you, bud. Likewise, Colin. Take care, buddy.

So we agree on that. Yeah. Right. That's our agreement, right? Eagles Lions is kind of spicy. What's the number? Eagles are favored on the road by four. Oh, I like Detroit. I like the number. I like the choice.

Kind of got to take the points, right? Yeah, if Philadelphia wins, it's close. I would take the points. Listen, I don't know if I've ever had my first week NFL, Blazing Five. Do you already have your fix-in? No, it's two and three. I mean, it's hard to win. You don't know what you're going to.

And also, bad teams don't know they're bad yet. So you'll get the every, remember, Last year, the Saints crushed the Packers. A few years ago, a bad team went to New Orleans and beat Drew Brees. I forget who it was. It's like, you're going to get, last year the Steelers beat Buffalo. They did, yeah. In Buffalo.

I think there's four big road favorites this week. You know, like 49ers on the road is a big favorite, like a touchdown. There's some good teaser opportunities. I'm sure your audience knows what those are, right? J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the her.

line news. I think we are starting with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Mike Tomlin, Colin. Earlier in the show, we said, hey, they're playing this game, not naming a quarterback. Well, it's official. They name Mitchell Trubisky captain for 2022. One of the players as voted by teammates. Colin, this almost assuredly means he's going to be the starter in week one. You can't name him the captain and making the backup. Well, especially if teammates named him that. That says a lot for Trubisky. It probably says the players are telling the staff, we should go with Mitch to start. That's what the players are telling the staff is we kind of trust Mitch as the

grown-up here. Kenny's not ready. So that's what it says to me. If players voted on it, that's what they're telling the coaches. Trabiski will be running for his life from Trey Hendrickson in week one. Trey Hendrickson obliterated the Steelers last year in two meetings, the Bengals defensive end. It 14 sacks on the season and just killed them in two games. Pro football focus had him, had him highly rated in both of them. Is T.J. Watt going to play? We're going to have to wait on that. Listen, injury reports. Don't get your blaze 5 in before the injury reports, okay? Because there's some big injuries around the league.

All right, next up, Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens. Lamar still doesn't have that extension, Colin. Previously reported they offered 250 mil in guaranteed money. Lamar is denying that, by the way. So I don't know if it's going to get contentious. But in response to a tweet saying he wants more than 250 guaranteed, because Baltimore already offered that, he replied, no, they didn't. why Lamar Jackson is replying to random dudes on the internet

about a massive contract. I still don't get that with these professional athletes. Well, they're, you know, they're kids. I mean, we're asking 23, 24-year-old kids to be able to... He's been in the league for a minute now. I know, but generationally, 20-year-old kids, they go on the internet. So I don't like it either. Like Aaron Rogers doing it, I'm like, dude, you're like 38 years old.

He's just trolling people because that's his brand. He doesn't go on the internet much, does he? I don't think he does. Only when he goes on with Joe Rogan, I think, really. Yeah, so I don't think he goes. I don't think Aaron goes on the internet. But again, Aaron's closer to 40, so he didn't grow up with an iPhone. Yeah.

So for him, but I think it's really hard. The last six years of our lives, the iPhones have taken it over. If you're 23 years old, you live with that thing. You go to a restaurant. You're staring at your phone until they give you the food. You do that, right? You take photos of your food at restaurants? No, I mostly keep my phone home.

If my kids are safe. That's a lie. You do not keep your phone home. And you go out to dinner. When I go out with Ann, I try to either keep it at home or keep it in the car out of respect. Jeez, what a guy. I didn't even know. You have a beautiful life.

You got to stare at her. You can't be staring at your phone. Jeez. All right. Final story, Baker Mayfield will make his Panthers debut against his former team Sunday. I know you're spent on Baker. He's releasing some official merchandise leading up to the game against Cleveland. Colin, I got to say, these two T-shirts that came out, I kind of dig the one in black.

I know someone on Baker's team. I've already texted him. requesting. Yeah, I'll cut the sleeves off and word to the gym. Hey, can they get us? I'll wear one of those shows. Would you wear one of us? Well, not on the show, but I'll wear it. I'll wear it Sunday.

Baker sends me to, I like the dark one. It's a local guy who works with Baker. He knows you and knows his show. Baker's guys are nice people. I just think, Baker, could you wait on this stuff? You got to capitalize while it's hot. Strike while the iron is hot? Isn't that what your British mom told you back in?

Does everything have to be about money? Can't you just go into a game? and play it and not have to capitalize. I think it's all more about swag than money, right? And coolness? I don't know. I'm not cool, but I just, everything is... You know what I... One of the things I'm tired of, and I'm guilty, too.

The media talks about players money too much. We do way too much money talks. The average Americans making $52,000 a year, whatever they make, and all we're talking about is pro athletes signing a zillion-dollar contracts. I think it's a turn-off to the audience. Should we start that here? No more contract talks? Well, I mean, if Lovar signs a contract, It's a story.

Okay. But I think we talk too much about Got the Bag and, you know, regular people out there are trying to pay power bills and we're out here. That's a good point. I'll bring it up with the staff and say no more preliminary contract talks. We'll stay out of people's pockets, right? J-Mack with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Hurd-Ly News. Joy Taylor, you may have noticed, is leaving our show. Now, some of it is because she spends every weekend in. Ecuador. Nobody travels like Joy Taylor. She should be on the travel channel and FS1. But she is moving to speak. The newly named Speak

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time we both have a background in radio and she is now i'm just going to tell you right now get this out of the way she is now going to be on speak speak for yourself has been retitled and joy is going to be one of the stars of it with uh manuel a cho so first of all it's great to see again you've been traveling globally i mean i have so many people that come out to me and they're like man you guys must pay joy a lot because she travels and i'm like i've never known anybody that travels like you? Well, I travel with people, so that kind of helps with the cost and his girlfriend, so we can share hotel rooms and such, so that helps.

But now, I do love to travel other than sports. It's my second favorite thing to do. And I only travel during the summer when we have off times. So it seems like I'm always gone, but it's really just the summer because once football season starts now, I'm here every day. But yes, I do travel a lot. So a lot of times, Joy and I have some information, but it's kind of proprietary for the company. So Joy and I have, we knew that she was moving on to a show.

And the way this thing works is when you're really talented, every talented woman in my life has always left me. So this is my reality. So Joy told me she was going to get this show and I pouted for a day. And then the next day I came in and I said, you know, I love you. You're the best. You've made this for me personally. I've never laughed more. And I think that's something in America that everybody needs to do more of.

So I just want to say, first of all, thank you. has been a wonderful five-year full of emotion and laughs. And it was a, for summary, I didn't know if it, when you bring somebody onto the show, I talked too much. So I didn't know if it would work. So when you first came onto the show, did you think it would be as much fun? Because I didn't know. Well, we've been working together for almost six and a half years now.

Because when I first came to the network, I would fill in with you. And officially, we've been doing the show full time about three years. a little over three years. And what we were when we first started together to what we've become now is, it's a completely different show. It's evolved so much. I didn't know what to expect, but I will say something that changed for me, maybe the first week of the show.

It might have been the first day I was on the show. You actually told me to talk more. You're like, just when you go, just go. Give your opinion, which is what I've, you know, gotten to this business to do is to get my opinion. So that really expanded the show. and I've already cried a couple times today and my voice is getting wobbly now.

I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm using my Capricorn strength to hold it down. But no, it has. It's been great. And you know, you let me tease you a little bit. And, you know, we have a lot of the same opinions and weirdly coming from two such different places in the world

line on so many things. And really, I've been through a lot through the past three years. We went through a pandemic. We did a three-hour show five days a week. we never took any time off during the pandemic. We did a show from home for four months with no sports. When I say that to people, they're like, what did you talk about? I'm like, I don't know.

We blacked out. I don't remember. I remember we talked about the last dance because that saved us. Well, we talked about it every day. And I also remember the only day I've ever been scared with you on the air is when Kyrie Irving or somebody said, I don't want to play this season in the NBA. And I remember looking at you going, if the NBA cancels the season, we're going to take a month off.

Because I've run out of topics. Yes, we were talking about the last dance as if it was happening live. Like we didn't know exactly how every single one of these games ended and didn't know the story. Yeah, I remember that. That was when it was teetering, but we made it through. Well, I thought about this today. I'm like, I'm not going to get emotional because you know how I feel about you and it's been great. But it is, you know, we do, I think about this all the time.

We live in a really, I tend to stay on sports mostly because that, That's what I'm paid to do. But I also think there's a time, whether it's climate change, political upheaval, Black Lives Matter. There are a lot of issues out there. And if you feel strongly about them, my takeaway is you should speak about them. I tend to be kind of old school. I'm an old school broadcaster where you talk sports to stay on sports.

You are much more comfortable out of that at times, especially on social media. But you're a much younger person than I am. So take me to your world on that because you're much more willing to, put it out there. And as I've always told you personally, strength is a commodity. Not everybody has it. So when you have it, put your chin out there. Are you ever concerned about it? Are you comfortable with it? Because you'll go on stuff. You'll go right after big political issues. Well, I think it's important to be authentic and to speak about what you care about. I also think it's important to be educated and informed. I don't need to have an opinion about everything. I don't have an

opinion about everything. So when I do have an opinion, it's authentic. I really do care. I have read some information about this or I have experienced it myself or I have a close proximity to the experience. So from that perspective, I don't ever have any fear because I know exactly what I'm saying. I'm passionate about what I'm talking about and I'm researched and educated on it. I'm not just reacting to an internet sticker that I saw that sent me through a spiral. So, you know, I don't really, I don't have any apprehension about it. Everyone's not going to like what you have. have to say. Everyone's not going to like you. And that's a very adult-y thing to come to face. You know, when you're really young, you want

everyone to like you. You have this insecurity about not being accepted. And then eventually you reach a point where it's kind of a badge of honor to not be accepted by everybody or not be understood by everyone. You don't need to be for everybody. And when you have strong opinions, you will be presented with that reality very quickly, especially in our business. I think it's just important to be respectful, first of all, and realize that, you know, we are talking about human beings. We're all all having a human experience. And, you know, if you can have those kind of conversations where you meet people where they are and have those conversations that are educated and informed and with

respects, you can get places. Now, that's not really what the internet is for, but, you know, we do our best. So your nephew Mason had five catches for LSU. Is he a cousin or a nephew? He's my nephew. He's, he's Jason's second oldest son. And then in Arizona. Yeah. So Isaiah plays for Judd Fish in Arizona. And they won this weekend. Upset San Diego State? Yes, it was a great game. They scored almost 40 points. That's a big win for them.

It was. It was a great, great first win. I saw Coach Fish after the game and Isaiah. I'm very proud of them. It was a big win. It was 100 degrees in San Diego. It was insane. Hottest day, I think, in San Diego ever in September.

It was brutal. But it was a great win for them. And I'm very proud of Mason last night, LSU. That was an unbelievable game. They really fought back. They're a young team, too. They're going to go through some growing pains. and hopefully, you know, LSU fans and alumni are understanding of that.

I know the expectations with the SEC that's Mason there. Look at that. Look at Mason. Yeah. Mason, you're getting loving the herd, baby. I was losing my mind. You know, I haven't, first of all, they were awesome in high school, obviously, which is why they're where they are.

But they won everything in high school. They went to St. Thomas Aquinas, and they won three-state championships game. So I'm used to them winning everything. I haven't gone through this experience of watching my family since Jason. So I forgot, like, when things don't go, way I want them to how much I'm like, oh, laying on the couch dying. But I'm very proud of them. They had a great first

week and the Cains obviously as well, Jason coaching there. They look great. So, you know, Jason is, her brother, Jason's a Hall of Famer. And when I worked at ESPN, one of the genuinely nicest people, as Joy is here.

Growing up in a football family, it has to have helped because your knowledge and passion and your contacts are really good. How often do talk to your brother? We talk about once a week. I mean, he's, he's very busy, but we have a, we have a family text chain, so we all, you know, keep in contact on there. But yeah, we talk a lot. Was he very protective of you? He was. And then I wore him down. And then he was like, I can't, I'm going to, I don't have any hair to lose. So I'm going to go totally gray dealing with her.

No, he used to be very, very protective of me. And I am a huge pain. So I, I prepared him for the future of dealing with teenagers for sure. So tell us about speak. So speak will air tomorrow. It debuts tomorrow, 430 Eastern on FS1. It will be after Nick Wright's show, first things first. It will follow the herd. And it is myself, Emmanuel Acho, Alshulashon, Shady McCoy, and Dave Hellman will be joining us.

And it's not a debate show. It's going to be fun and lots of energy, big opinions. And, you know, we're all really excited to get started and show everyone we have. It is, I don't want to get emotional either. You know, I brought tissues. How long have we worked together? So it's been, I came to the network in March of 2016, and your show was the first show that I was on at the network.

I have the picture. I look like a little kid. I mean, I was 29. I'm 35 now. Wow. So it was a long time, yes. And we did the show for three years, a little over three years. So chemistry is hard.

You know the key to chemistry, Jason, is just agree with me on everything. and then that chemistry is no you have you have you have you have to really protect Colin Jason why well because he's a grown man no because that was my that was my job I got to look out for Colin no she so you're so we're so we're both Capricorns yes so in the morning is joy would be in the makeup room and I'd come in and we we had really lively discussions about like stuff we wouldn't often talk about on the air and I learned very quickly that joy is a Capricorn my wife's a Capricorn and we have the same birthday yeah like And she'll say stuff and I'll be like, oh my God, that's Ann. She sees the world.

No BS. Don't. Don't suffer fools very well. Like get to the point. Do your homework, work hard. So first of all, you've just been great. You know I'm rooting for you. I said this.

The other day I interviewed with somebody. Oh, is that Jason Barrett media guy? I said, I believe that Joy Taylor is the top opinionist, top female opinionist in America right now for sports. You do your homework. You work hard. fearless. You take big swings. I love you for it and I couldn't be happier. And again, all the great women in my life leaving me. Well, thank you very much, Colin. I'm very glad that

you did not start crying because I was going to immediately start crying. So I really appreciate that. I was really worried about it. I don't want America to see me cry on air. I forget we got one more minute. I almost signed off. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you're already forgetting the clock. That is also completely changed my life because I've been working mornings for 10 years. I have no idea what time it is. I like text the producers every five minutes. I'm like, am I late? I don't know. What's the sun in the sky?

It's so strange. Give Jason one little piece of advice. Wait, so let me guess. It's don't text gambling friends during the show while we're on it. Because somebody was just texting me about Clemson. Are you getting down on Clemson today? No, no, no, no. You've got to be careful because once it's on air, it's out.

So that's definitely a good piece of advice. And then, you know, just push Colin. He loves it. He loves big opinions. He loves fun. So the first show I was on with him when I got to FFF. One, there was some other guy on the show and Colin and I would go at it and it was fun.

It was exciting. But the other guy didn't really want that as much. I think Colin likes it when I go at him. We love it. And thank you guys all for watching the show. I really appreciate all the support. Joy Taylor, she's amazing. It's called Speak. Starts tomorrow. It's the Herd. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day

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