The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Michael Irvin joins The Herd

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

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Here we go. It's our three. Michael Urban's going to stop by. It's L.A. It's the herd. Great to have you. By the way, people are freaking out. Juan Soto, the best young talent in baseball, Jim and O'Tonnie and Aaron Judge. A lot of people think he wants to stay in New York. He's interviewing with the Dodgers today. And tell me, when New York dominated the Hot Stove League, 10 years ago when I was at the other place, and the Yankees dominated because, Yankee's, you know,

and Red Sox, but mostly Yankees because they had the best television local TV package. Yes, nobody complained. It was great for the sport. Nobody whined. And now Cohen's got the big money and the Dodgers have the big money. Everybody's like, well, why even play the games? Because they're on the schedule, Cupcake. If you get Otani, Betts, Freeman, and Soto, you may sell out Tuesday games.

And I didn't hear a single Yankee fan complain about this for years when you had a 15-year run because of the Yes network and you were making $400 million on your local cable deal, nobody complains. Well, now the Dodgers have the best TV deal. Cohen's Richard and the Dodgers owners, but could Dodgers have a better TV deal? They have the money. If I'm a great player, can you imagine

Otani hits in front of me, Betts hits in front of me, Freddie Freeman hits after me, you're going to get a steady diet of fastballs. I always root for dynasties. Everybody's like, oh, the little guy, whatever. I've been the little guy.

It's no fun. I want dominant dynasties, stars, greatest show on earth. Look at J-Max over there. Bottom line, would you not go to a Dodger game if Juan Soto was there? Colin Coastal Elite Calhary. Yeah, yes, I am. I hear you. I would definitely go to Dodgers game.

They would be the best show in L.A. Over the Lakers, over the Rams, over the Chargers. By the way, how come New Yorkers weren't coastal elites when they were just basically saying C.C. Sabathia did not even want to play for the Yankees. and they paid him 20 million more. He was like, okay, Garrett Cole. Why don't the Jets do that with Soto? You can't do it in the NFL.

It's called salary cap. No, soda. Why don't they do it with Soto? Yankees. Because the Steinbrenner kids are not as well healed, they don't have the competitive advantage of the YS network that they did. So, I mean, baseball has always been have and have-nots. It wasn't in the 70s when small market teams like Pittsburgh and Cincinnati could crush Kansas City.

Can I ask how long is that sustainable when you've got have-and-have-nots? It's absolutely sustainable. By the way, how long is it sustainable when you only have the Avengers and Tom Cruise and Barbie and Oppenheimer? That's the world we live in. For now. Five years from now, 10 years from now, are we going to be, is it? Do you think people are going to stop watching movies? I mean, if all we've got is superhero movies still, Tom Cruise will be 75.

By the way, Oppenheimer wasn't a mission impossible. Oppenheimer was a one-off. Barbie was a one-off. Mission Impossible was a 12-off. Yeah, and Tom Cruise is going to be 70 here in a minute. Okay. Then you find that. John Wick and you get Jason born, there's always another

Vin Diesel out there. John Wick 5 or whatever it is. By the way, this is what's happening in the world, folks. And by the way, the people that own this company figured it out years ago, and it's why they got out of the independent movie business. The market's getting wide. There's a million platforms that you didn't have to use to compete against.

The bottom line is the only thing that gets anybody to a studio is Avengers, Tom Cruise, Oppenheimer, Chris Nolan directing, Scorsese. So what are you going to do? Nitch independent films, it's over. It's over. So just like there's, if you want to fund those, if George Clooney wants to fund his own project, go for it. You go fund it. Kevin Costner, I'm going to fund my own project. But the big boys, the Netflix, the Amazon, the Disney's, they're not going to do that.

How many times have you been to a theater this year, movie theater? I've been to a theater once in five years. It was Oppenheimer. But I, well, I got Netflix. That's what I mean by not sustainable. When you've got people going to the theater, what's saying? You keep saying not sustainable. The industry's collapsing. You don't think baseball is going to be in major trouble if all we've got is four or five teams with all the best players? Time out. So when the Yankees and Red Sox dominated the Hot Stove League, all I heard was doom and gloom. Baseball made more money last year than it's ever made.

You doom and glooms are out now. Yeah. Now there's other players. Stop being a doom and gloomer. Baseball, I will make an argument today that baseball is having a renaissance as the NBA gets more international. and less really iconic needle-moving stars. I think baseball is on about a seven, eight-year run. I think there's a renaissance.

I've never been a guy that talks a lot of baseball. Just because there's so many games, there's no urgency in very few stars. Now I got Bryce Harper and Philly. I'm going to have Soto with the Mets or the Dodgers, O'Tonnie Betts Freeman Dodgers, Aaron, Judge. All the stars are in the right cities. In the NBA, it's either international stars that don't connect with people, aging stars like LeBron and Steph

or stars that are in wonky markets like Ant and SGA. Baseball's got all their stars in the right markets. I think baseball is going to have a great 10-year run. Amazing postseason. We had Yankees Dodgers World Series. When did anybody ever cared about May baseball? Well, again, now if we get Arizona versus Houston

in the World Series, it's coming here. By the way, this idea... Is the juice there? I don't. The middle and the bottom of sports has never controlled sports. I'll give an example. Everybody thinks the... NFL is fair. Oh, it's funny. Brady and Mahomes have won five of the last six Super Bowls.

If you count Matt Stafford, who's going to be a Hall of Famer 6 to 6. If you don't have a great quarterback, you can't compete. Go look at the top of the draft order right now. Guys, put up the top of the draft order. It's all crappy quarterbacks. The league is completely quarterback-centric. The first 10 picks, it's Trevor Lawrence and Dak, who are both overpaid and hurt, and eight teams with bad quarterbacks. So this idea that having a side, soft middle and a bad, awful bottom kills a sport. The NFL's never been more popular, and I can guarantee you for the next five years, it's going to be Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Harbaugh, and Jared Goff in the Lions.

Come on, Bo Knicks. Toss him in there. Go ahead. Okay, Bo Nix. You know you want to. But this idea that, oh, industries are dying because the little guy is getting squished. Memo to everybody. The little guys always gotten screwed over. In every industry, tech, Silicon Valley, seven guys. run it. I mean, there's like

antitrust stuff going on. They did the little guy. Little guy. I mean, streaming gets created how many years ago? It already is like Netflix, Amazon, Disney, dominate the whole thing. So again, you can get into this vote for the underdog. I know, I'm overrooting for somebody that can't compete

at the highest levels. College football. Bama dominated for 12 years. The FCC's dominated for 20. The sports growing. Do you watch it for Purdue? I love the college football playoffs. I can't wait. For a Boise State to upset someone from the SEC or BYU or one of these smaller schools. By the way, college basketball my entire life, five programs.

Yukon, Duke, Kansas, Carolina. Kentucky. Yeah. Or, you know, like Jim Beheim, Syracuse for a while. It's a whole sport. Yeah. By the way, they had great ratings last year. I'm not anti-little guy, but I don't want to hear the arguments that as baseball gets more top-heavy.

Oh, what will happen to the A's? They'll disappear in. nobody will care. They're going to be in Sacramento or Fresno or whatever. I don't even know where they're playing. I honestly. I don't even know. Where are they in Sacramento? They're not getting to Vegas yet, but there'll be a pit stop before the Vegas does. In Sacramento. Or Fresno. And by the way, you got, I mean, Tampa, because their dome ripped off with that horrible hurricane, they're playing at a minor league stadium. And you know what? The Yankees will be great. The Mets will be great. The Phillies will be great. The Dodgers will be wildly fun. So will the Braves. The sport will be home run city. I think baseball. is going to go on a renaissance here. I'm not a guy that you view as a baseball guy, but they get all the stars. The minute people can come to terms with the truth, it's a much easier life.

If you're constantly battling stuff, it's like, hey, baseball's for the rich. Houston's got money, Atlanta, Mats, Dodgers. Those are your teams. And no sport is driven by the little guy. I mean, the NBA, Boston's stuff. Look at the East. Eastern Conference. It's the Celtics. I kind of like the Knicks. Nix. And nonsense. Nobody can compete. That's what happened. Because there's bad GMs. People are not equally motivated, equally driven, equally smart, equally curious. So this idea that we're always going to have this ball hall and this perfect symmetry that everybody gets, stop it. That's like, that's like little kids think like that.

I think people like the idea, equality of opportunity. Nobody's asking for equality of outcome. That's not going to happen. But everybody wants a chance. And in the NFL, every team at the beginning of the season thinks they got a shot at the playoffs. In baseball, let's be real. The top 10 teams, that's it. If you're at the bottom of baseball and you're not spending, you've got no shot. Basically. If you're the middle

or bottom of the NFL with a B-minus quarterback, you have no shot. Well, that's what people said about the Denver Broncos in their five and a half win total. There's 130 Division I college football programs. We're going to have a 12-team playoff. Four teams can win it. Ohio State, Texas, Georgia, maybe Alabama, and Oregon.

Well, what a shock. 130 teams. We're going to create a playoff system. That'll make it more fair. Oh, really? You got... Indiana can't win the title? Can we have them...

They're a 14-point dog in their first good team game. I think it's down to 13, by the way. 13. Oh, it's down to 13. I'm not anti-little guy, but the minute you can grow up and just acknowledge, big dogs win at streaming, they went in sports, they went in the NFL,

they went in... You know, if you go to the... the German soccer league. It's the same two clubs that have dominated forever. Go to the Spanish. Go to the, Sarah, go to the Spanish soccer league. It's, you know, it's the same two teams that have dominated for 100

years. You go, by the way, you go to the English Premier League. It's usually three teams that dominate. It's the reality. You know, big money is going to win it. I don't know what I was going to talk about, but that's a big rant right there. A lot of energy. I'm just having to fight off

McIntyre. McIntyre, the voice of what? The voice of the little man. Not really. I got to back the underdogs, man. I feel like I'm a career underdogs, so that's why I'm rooting for underdogs. Yeah, what hard scrabble life you've lived.

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Right, right. I'm coming through creeping and hiding, just like. Somebody looked at me and said, are you Deacon Moss from the longest yard? I'm saying, oh, yeah. But that's what I was trying to pull back up, Beacon Moss. If you think I'm a prisoner, you just let me get through here and leave me alone.

You know what I'm saying? I get it. Just let me get through. Okay, so I will say this. Because that thing is bad right now in Dallas. We're walking around. I usually have a cowboy. hacked on all that stuff, none of that.

All black is trying to get through now. I get it. I get it. So when Jerry has taken big swings, firing Tom Landry, getting D-on, buying the cowboys, big loan, it's worked. When he's played it safe, I'm not going to get Derek Henry at the trade line. I'm going to move a barry, Cooper, so we're more cap-flexible. Jerry's a wild catter in oil. When he has taken big risks, I believe to get out of this mess,

Because right now, Michael, it's very unique. I'm going to name quarterbacks. They're all in their prime. Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert, golf. Okay, you're not winning right now. I believe you have to, if you go 3 and 14, and I think it's possible. I'm hiring Dion and I'm giving away the farm to get up to Shadur Sanders. Am I crazy?

Not at all. Not at all. And I like it. I'm just telling you I like it. Now, here's the thing, though, here's thing. You say if you're going to hire Deion and get away the farm to get up and get your door, I think you're going to be right there to get your door anyway. You see what I mean?

Yeah. Just by the way this season is going. If you lose to the Giants on Thanksgiving. Right. You're not going to have to give up the farm. You're going to be pick one, two, or three. Yes. Well, certainly pick one or two.

You know, the way you're playing right now. At home, you're getting, you're going. You're on an average, that six-game losing streak you're on at home. At home. This is why I'm dressed in black. We can't even come up with anything at home. Prior to this 0-N-6 at home, we won 16 in a row. You just were at the Colorado game.

You're close with Dion Sanders. Right. I spent Friday with Jerry, Saturday with Dion, and Sunday praying for the contrary to you. Let me just be real with you. Do you think Dion? And I think he loves college. But if his son and Travis Hunter are gone, do you think Dion would listen to Jerry Jones call

if he offered him the job? I think Dion, if Jerry and the Cowboys up there round one and going to get Chador, if you want somebody to follow footsteps, you got Chador, you get Deon. I absolutely believe that happens. You do. Dion understands how important it is

to have that relationship with your quarterback. Yes. More important anything else in the world on the next level is that the relationship with your quarterback. If you don't believe me, ask the New York Jets and all the people that are disappearing over there. Yeah. You see what I'm saying. That's right. So, and Deion understands that.

Good point. Deon understands that. By the way, what do you make of that Jets? They fired their GM today. What do you make of Aaron and the Jets? You know, the Jets I said messed up when they tried to make. Aaron Rogers the main thing. Instead of keeping their main thing as the main thing.

They were primarily a running game, run team to play great defense that needed some guidance at quarterback. And their fight was to go find the quarterback that can come in and make the few plays that they need. Throw the ball 25 times a game, not this 55 times. You know, the first six weeks of the season, the They were in the top three. Now, they realized they messed up.

So the last four weeks, they tried to come back, you know, come back from all the throwing. But it's too late. They allowed Aaron Raj's to pull them into his fight of trying to prove to everybody the woke crowd in Green Bay that I still have it. Instead of Aaron Rogers being added to their fight, which is a run game and defense. They've got an identity issue. Right, right. And they let Aaron Rogers bounce around their identity. Now, you take a Super Bowl winning, all-pro quarterback, and you said, well, we don't have one of those.

We'll just listen to what he says, and you got disaster. You take a Super Bowl winning, all-pro quarterback that has stumbled, and you give them to the Pittsburgh Steelers, where there's a coach who has already set the order. We already got our identity. We're running the ball and playing defense. And Russell, can you make a few plays for us? That's the difference. That's the difference.

Mike had created the identity. He made Russell join his stuff. Aaron Rogers made the Jazz join his stuff. And now they are in disaster. That's a really good point that basically Mike Tomlin said, because I've argued forever, people think Brady was the savior of Tampa. But as Tom knew, that was a loaded roster. Boy, you know what?

That's a good point. Stafford came to L.A. He wasn't the savior. They'd been to the Super Bowl. That's a good point. When you ask, when Russell went to Denver, he was viewed as the savior, Aaron to the Jets. It doesn't exist. Yeah.

There is no such thing unless you're Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen to be the savior. What you're saying is nobody's giving up the Savior. Nobody's giving up a Savior. By the time you get him, he's no longer a savior. You know what I mean? He's a disciple of the Savior, but he's no Savior himself. You see what I mean. So you like the Steelers what they've done with Rock.

I love what the stillers have done. And the move that Mike made at 6 and 2 going, you know, when the kid was all with the people. Justin Fields, 4 and 2, they moved off. I mean, 4 and 2 move off for Justin Field and still go and get what he's got in the last few weeks. That's hard to do, by the way, Michael. We have a winning record and move off the popular kid that everybody likes. Oh, because, you know, if it didn't work, if it doesn't work, they're going to chop you up and chew you out. Right, right, right.

You know what I mean? And it worked in an extraordinary way. And I loved how he did the other day. And honestly, I love the kid, and I'm praying for the kid. But Mike Tomlin, thank God they won that game the other day. Or we would have been back over there on the kid again. Justin Fields like you see why Mike Tomlin made the change. Even that little one-yard slide early, that early one-yard slide could have cost that game.

Could have cost that game. And that's what Mike is saying. I just want a guy to not make them. mistake that's going to cost me a game. That's right. Just hold on to the ball and not make the mistakes that's going to cost me a game. Luckily, they were able to get that first down and win that game. Okay, let's talk about the Lions. So you played on a cowboy team.

When I was a kid growing up, the Steelers in 1975 had about nine Hall of Famers. The cowboy team you were on had four or five, six Hall of Famers. Yeah. You start looking at Penae Sewell, Amoron, St. Brown, Jared Gaw. I love this. When he's healthy, A. I love this, dude, the branch, the safety. You start looking at that team, Detroit, you know, you know.

No, you've been on one of those. Right. When you go into the game and it's like, we'll be playing with a lead every Sunday. Do you think the Giants, the Lions, are they peaking too early? Are you concerned that they're not being pushed back a little? They're rolling over teams now. Right, right. Now, let me tell you what I am.

When I look at the Lions, I said this, you know, last year on undisputed. And when I saw him, I said, man, it just reminds me a lot of our young team. Because young talent everywhere, and it's not just they got young talent. They love playing football together. Like, we love playing football together. You know, when we were coming up, the early Cowboys, 90 Cowboys. Now, the difference, the difference here is Jared Gough. With Jared Gough are we going to have?

There's a Jared Gough they let go from right out here in L.A. Because they said you can't win the big game. Well, the strictly pocket guy. Right, right, right. And then they won the big game without him. So that's the stain on him. Now, he's playing with a chip on his shoulder that Jared Gough is. And he's going to need that chip so he can remove that stain.

You see what I mean? He's going to need that chip to remove that stain. Now, what's Jared Gough do you get? That team I'm talking about that we work with the Cowboys, we ran off seven straight victories with Steve Berline and quarterback one time. Remember Steve Burline and quarterback, we ran off. We ran through everybody. We got in the playoffs and we lost to a Detroit team in the playoffs.

Steve Berline had great talent, great talent. And we would have won a lot of games with Steve Berline and we got some playoff games with Steve Berlin, but we never would have become a dynasty with him. Troy Aitman took us to the dynasty level when we got him back. Now, Jared Goff has the range to be Steve Berlin or Troy Aikman. If he stays Steve Berlin, they'll continue to do this and just get in the playoffs and never get there.

But if he turns back into the number one pick of the draft and become Trayman, playing with it himself, like Troy played within himself, then this Detroit team can do some of the things that 90 Cowboys team did. Okay, so I want to get into this whole Jake Paul Tyson thing. So you may, the thing we talked about before we went on the air, can you talk about that or no?

What, uh, but Jake Paul? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, I've been saying, yeah, I saw somebody, yeah. Okay, I'm not a big, conspiracy theorist, although many are proven true, so that's okay. But you're an analyst.

You're an analyst. That's right. And any analyst has the answer who, where, when, why. So I wondered something during the fight. And what did you say to me before you went on the air today on a contract?

I said, I said, I was looking for Mike Tyson because he got me too. When he walked in that ring, I saw, I saw, death in his eyes. I said, oh, my God. I said, I see some scared. I was scared. Oh, that don't look like nobody coming in the place, right? And I was looking for that patentant one in the body, uppercut. Okay, so it was on. One to the body, one. That was his, you know, his left hook and his upper cuts were the drop shots. That's it. That's it. And when he hits that bad,

it's boom, boom. And you're like, I want to see that. I want to see that. So why didn't we get it? And we didn't get it. We're not, not a one. And then I heard somebody, I saw, saw somebody read somewhere, when somebody said, it was in the contract. No uppercut. No uppercut. I think seriously, I kind of buy this. Yeah, they had it in the country.

Come on, guys. Why wouldn't Mike throw an uppercut? If Nolan Ryan pitched in a game at 60 and never threw a fastball. Right. And you'd be like... Sum's up. Sums up. What's going on?

If Mike Irvin had good knees and you still play football and didn't run a slant route, some fix. That's all I'm saying. something is fixed enough. You got to stick with what you do. Now, I know Mike had a blood transfusion. He almost died July 20th. And I said the fight should have been in March.

His body was still recovering. He ran out of the gas third round. But if you watch Tyson's career, the upper cut. Was his patent? It was the kill shot. It was. And he didn't throw one. And once he hit you in that stomach and you just lean over a little bit,

you set yourself up for that upper cut and here it comes. Okay. The other thing is, Jake Paul, by about the fifth round, had a chance. Yeah. And I wondered after what you said. Did Jake Paul say, listen, I signed a contract. He can't throw an uppercut.

I'm not going to humiliate him. And I agree to a deal that Mike can't throw, he can't hit cleanup. He can't bring the bomb. Right. And I like that he did that. I like that he didn't go kill on, kill Mike. Which is funny because Jake gets a lot of, he gets a lot of hate and push back on, you know, and I like the guy.

I like my, I mention it on the broadcast. You got to honor and respect a man. He works hard. That hacks the whole game, like he has hacked the whole game. They did it his way. He didn't listen in your way and still got right where he wanted to be. Dion Sanders is doing that in football as a head coach. He's doing the same thing.

He's hacked the system. He said, I'm doing this my way. And you guys got to respect that. I mean, I think he's a brilliant guy. And he got kudos for me for honoring Mike Tyson with that, with that $20 million gift package in pulling up in the fifth round. I want to go back to the Chedur-Sanders-Dion thing. Now, people will push back and say, well, what are you going to do with DAC?

And my take is, DAC will have a market. Somebody will pay some of the contract. And the truth is, Denver has shown us, even with $50 million of dead cap money, Russell Wilson, if you get the coach and the quarterback right, you can still be good. You can still be good. Because you're not paying Bow Nicks for five years. Right. So you can handle that dead cat.

And somebody would comment, DAC would have a market. Yeah, DAC will have a market. There's no doubt. There's no doubt. You go to DAC before the draft pick and say, we're going to take Chador. Where do you want to go and we'll try to make it? We'll be good suitors. We'll go find the suitors.

You pick the team you want. We'll try to get it there. Yeah. You just don't make it public, so we have leverage. And listen, I love Dak, and Dak has given us a lot of wins. And I'm sitting here listening to these scenarios. And I say to myself, wow, you know, I would hate to see that go. I love that.

But right now, when you look at the Cowboys as they are currently constructed, you got to say there's something that has to be done here. Sure. You can't stay. You can't continue to lose games. at home at 38 to 13 clip. You're losing these games 38 to 13 in front of your home crowd. It's just getting bad.

So something has to be shaking up and be done. And Jerry has to get it done. People don't understand how hard Michael works. So the last three days, where have you been? Well, I've been, well, first I did the game. I meant to fight in Dallas. Okay, that's Friday. And then Friday.

Saturday. Saturday. And it came back Sunday and went to the Monday night game and then flew here early Tuesday morning. And you don't do the private stuff. So I can be here with you. No, I don't do private planes. I don't know.

I fly every day and I'm still scared of planes. I don't know. What do you mean you're scared? I don't know, man. People, I'm telling you, man, when I get on an airplane and we hit turbulence, oh my God, man, my anxieties get so bad because I can't control it. You know what I mean? I'm not in control.

How about a gummy? So that person would be next to me? Oh, my God. They'd be so happy to be next to me, right? I can see him. They get the phone, they take somebody, and they're doing this right here. They try to show people that's me, like, they'll take them. And then we hit turban.

Like, grab them. You know, my head is pretty strong. I grab up so tightly. They're like, ooh, like, they ain't so happy to sit next to me anymore. They're like, why are you so scared? You ever take a gummy? Yeah, I don't know. I appreciate you giving me the chance to tell people that on TV.

Yeah, it doesn't work quite like I wanted it to. I was still grabbing at everything. I get it. And it's turbulent. I don't know why, man. I'm going to work on it. It's some uncertainty of what's happening in your life. And I live on it almost every day I'm flying.

Every day I can't get. I don't know why I have this fear of me. My friends, right, they send a plane sometimes. They want me to come. They'll send a plane. Be it the nicest plane, a G5, G-C. I'll leave it right in the hangar and go get me a plane on Southwest Airlines. And come pick me up at the airport, man.

You know what? Tell you probably the flight of plane. That's why you relate and you've endured. You're one of the people. What are the people, man? You're walking through those crappy airports like the rest of it. Yeah, just like the rest of. So I can get the feel of the people.

So I can speak with the people. You can't get the feel of the people without speaking with the people. That's how you can communicate. Okay. And you broke news today. You do believe. and I do too that if Shadur went to the

Cowboys, Deon would accept the job. I believe 100% and I can tell you good sources have told me that. Great sources have told me that.

That's all I can say like that without violating anything else. The play, man. You know I love having you. I love you too, but I love having you. I love being with you, but.

We're going to make this a regular next year. We're going to make it a regular. You're always welcome, the playmaker. Jay Mack around the corner of the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news.

We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to us. people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name,

Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Sanders. If Shedur Sanders landed, let's say, with the Dallas Cowboys, and I think they're going to get beat by Washington this weekend, and then I think there's a chance they lose against the New York Giants. My take is they'll be in the running for the number one pick because Jacksonville and Tennessee, bad teams, They still play each other twice. I think the Raiders play the Jags or Tennessee. And I think Cleveland's too good not to win another game or two.

I think New England's playing too well. They gave the Rams a real fight. They'll win games. I think it's going to come down to that Giants cowboy game on Thanksgiving. And if Dallas loses, I think they have a real shot to have the number one pick. And Michael Irvin, the playmaker, saying, and I think you've got to take a big swing if you're Dallas. I think you have to have a meeting. You tell Dak, listen.

We're going to go on Shadur. He rates through the roof as a prospect. We will move you. We got no problem moving you. You give us a list of teams. Don't make it public. And we'll move you to the best team where you can win now. Somebody will pay that deal.

But I think you've got to take a big swing. I would go get Dion Sanders if you get Shadur Sanders and Michael Irvin saying, sources tell him that Dion would take the call. Of course he would. Listen, Dionne is. I mean, it's like Dan Campbell, former player. It's working. Like, it just, Mike Vrable, former player.

A lot of these guys, they connect with players. Dion connects with players. And you've got to be honest. I, this program was a lot of sizzle without a lot of stake. And all of a sudden, about week two or three is like, whoa, Warren Sapp, coach in the defensive line, they've got a chance to win the Big 12. Now, if they win the Big 12, they get a buy. So the 12-team playoffs starts December 20th.

they'd play on like the 27th, and if they won, they'd go into January, which is good because the NFL season doesn't end until late January. So even the timing works out for Dion Sanders if they win the Big 12 and they get to play. They'll get a buy. The Big 12 winner gets a buy. So they won't play until like December 27th. If they win, they play like the second or third. I don't think Colorado would win two games in the playoffs, potentially.

But, I mean, they got the best two players in college football, arguably. Travis Hunter and Scher Sanders, but it would all work out timing-wise. I think it would work, and I think you've got to take swings in life, especially when you're, I don't think, I think Dallas is seven players away. I really do, from competing with Detroit or Buffalo. I'm talking seven players, two running backs, another star receiver, another edge rusher, a great defensive tackle, a great left tackle. They're not close. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with Drake May. Guy, I cannot get enough of. This kid is so talented. He has best game of the season against the Rams. 30 for 40. A lot of passes.

282 yards, two touchdowns. The Patriots lost, but that didn't stop Sean McVeigh from noticing the opposing quarterback. He looks like a stud. You know, I didn't do too much work on him coming out, but I do know that a lot of people that studied him really hard, that I truly respect their opinions, loved what he was all about.

You can see just the impact that he has on his teammates, the way people talk about him here. He looks like he's going to be a special player for a long time, and he gave us fits today. Yeah, people said he was Justin Herbert, but he wasn't quite as polished as Herbert was coming out of Oregon. So his rookie ranking in completion percentages second,

yards per attempt, meaning not all dink and dunk second, total yards per game second. He is winning with his leg. There is some Herbert to him. That's not a bad comp. Also, he is working with the least talented offensive roster of all the rookies. If you put him in Chicago with the weapons of Caleb Williams, is a totally different ballgame. And it's not like the Patriots offensive line games.

I mean, even, you can say what you want about Denver's roster. They have a great left tackle. Cortland Sutton's a one. They also have good tight ends, and I like their backs. Like, but Denver's got players. He's not working with much. No. He doesn't have a skill player that would start for any of the, other that would start for like Chicago.

It's a tiny sample size, but it's the start of something. And it's disappointing because now if you look at the quarterbacks in the division, Josh Allen, obviously, number one, I think you could make a credible case. Two is the second best quarterback in the division. Well, and healthy. Drake May is third, and Aaron Rogers is too.

But I think by next year, if you can get, because you're not paying Drake May for four years, if you can get Drake weapons. T. Higgins? If you get him a T. Higgins, you get him a great left tackle, you upgrade the running back room, It will be Josh Allen, and then we can argue over Drake May and Tua. He's a bigger, bigger, stronger armed than Tua.

So the Jets would be last with the worst quarterback in the divisions? Easily. Despite having a better roster than Miami and the Patriots. No question. Gosh, that's frustrating. Final. Let's move on. Second story, Detroit Lions.

This is weird. I had not seen this story. The Lions are being accused of running up the score. Oh, Jesus. After destroying Jacksonville 52 to 6, the Lions lead the NFL in point differential plus 159, and they have scored 50 points in multiple games this season. They have three wins by at least 38, and Dan Campbell, he doesn't care. He's not taking his foot off the gas.

Well, there's always things to clean up. I mean, there's things in all three units. You know, like, offensively, one of the things that came up here is, well, yeah, well, how do you improve on scoring every possession? Right. Well, there was about three of them, we could have scored five plays sooner or four play sooner, you know, and it worked out in that game, but what if you are playing Green Bay? you're playing in Minnesota, you're playing in Kansas City,

whatever it is, you're in one of these, you know, and you're having to go score for score or whatever is going on. First of all, how embarrassing for any football fan or football executive or player to complain about pouring it on? This is not Alabama against Citadel. It's professional football. Who's complaining? Who's saying they're running it up?

Call them out. That's embarrassing. Losers. Losers. Calling them out. Interesting game this weekend. Lions at the Colts. Lions are laying over a touchdown.

Have you given much thought to this game? I know it's early. Anything. I've told you. I like the Colts. I think they're an interesting team. I think ideally you would have sat Anthony Richardson for a year, but they didn't.

So we're watching in real time all the bumps and turbulence. But if you watched him last weekend, you know why he went in the first round. He was running over people, and he was taking no dink. Anthony Richardson was throwing that ball down the field. So, again, Mahom's sat. Lamar sat. You know, a lot of times when you don't sit, we get to see all the warts.

Caleb, we see all of them. But there are moments with Anthony Richardson where you're like, and I think benching him, really in some weird way, worked. What's interesting about this game is, so the Lions had, this division, and they've played Tennessee and Jacksonville. They hung 50 on them, crushed them at home. They went to Houston for that night game, really scuffled on the road, ended up winning.

Now they go on the road again against the Colts. And the Colts, I think they're live in this one. I don't know to win it outright, but I think this is going to be a close game. And I have been backing the Lions. Where's the game? In Indy. Yeah, what's the line? Seven and a half.

I would take Indy. I think I would take Indy. I mean, everybody's going to be betting the Lions, obviously, because they're a covering machine. I just think Anthony Richardson and Taylor can make, if you can play keep away from that Detroit offense and you don't let them run wild, we'll see. I think there's something here. I don't know if it's headlines material yet for Friday, but we'll consider it. Final story, Colin, oh boy.

Kyle Shanahan says that Brock Purdy is dealing with right shoulder soreness, and the quarterback is day-to-day. Well, he is a smaller athlete. Shanahan added he didn't think the shoulder impacted Purdy's play against Seattle, but the Purdy would be closely more. monitored this week. The Niners are in some trouble here. And Brock Purdy, this is a contract year for him. I don't know. You would, I would not, I'd be very reluctant to, I would give him a low $30 million

contract. 30? You start at, you pay him 55, it's over. Come on, there's a lot of numbers between 30 and 55. So. He has value. Shanahan has had some success when not paying your quarterback top dollar, right? Purdy.

weren't you on that a couple years ago? You were on that big tangent on the show. The new NFL was go get a scrub and don't pay him anything. Right. Now, Purdy's not a scrub, obviously. He's good. But here's my question. And this is my big pushback on the Purdy stuff.

Let's say Shanahan said, we love you. Thank you for your service. You can test the market, my guy. All right. Let's somebody else overpay. Who is giving him a huge contract? No, let me ask you. And I've gone through the team.

So I mean, I kind of. know the answer. Somebody would give him a contract. Well, I don't know. Put the number on him. Put a number. Nobody's giving him $50 million. 32. Okay, yeah. He could get a Baker-Mafield type contract. He could get a Kirk Cousins coming off. Let me ask you this. So, I don't know the answer to this. Is this his fourth year or third? I think it's his third.

But he was a seventh round pick. I don't. So he doesn't have the first round rookie scale where you get the guy for an extra year. So he has to be paid this offseason? Yes. I'd be very, very, I think they should have started moving off. people last year. Like, I love George Kittle. He's got value. You can't move off Kettle. Why can't I? He's one of the core guys in your locker.

So, by the way, this is a big problem. This is his third season. So they do get one more year on the rookie contract. No, I'll look at the contract. I don't know the answer to that. He's up. He's going to be a free. Like, they got to pay him. You've got to pay right now. Yeah.

I think in a strong quarterback class, I would redraft. You got to draft a quarterback every year. But this idea that like... I think they'll pay him. I think they will. But then they got to start moving off. Debo Samuels. I mean, Trent Williams is like in his late 30s.

The team's getting old quick. They should have drafted offensive tackle. Last year was a very good offensive tackle draft. They should have drafted a tackle last year, not Ricky Pearson. Well, you know what really hurt them was that Trey Lance failed. They give up a bunch of draft picks to move up. And now, even if you hit one or two of those picks that they gave up, you're in great shape.

They went over because Lance, they had to move off of him. And I want to make a case for the Niners to bounce back here, but Colin, that's schedule. We talked about it. They're a five-and-five team for a reason. He's under contract, according to the producer, yet. Okay, so that means I don't have to pay him next year. Well, no quarterback wants to go into a lame duck year. Tough luck.

Jordan Love got paid. Jordan Love's a lot more talent. He was a first round pick. So basically, the Niners do not have to pay Brock Pretty next year. Why in the world would you? Nobody would do that. They're not going to do that. That's bad business.

Hey, we're not going to pay you. You're under contract. We're not saying that. He breaks a leg and shoulder injury. Come on. That's his fault. That's his problem. It's not mine.

We did this with Jordan Love. We could roll the tape. And they ended up paying him. The Niners will pay him. Jordan Love is an elite athletic talent. But he wasn't before they paid him. He had like eight-game sample size of being good. He was insane at the end of last year.

He was third in the MVP award last year. Dad was second. The team drafted love in the first round. They believed in it. They saw every practice. He's bigger. He's faster. He's more athletic.

Playing with a bunch of kids. He's been spectacular. This guy is playing with an all-star team. And he was spectacular. Context. I would not pay, and I got nothing against the kid, but the idea that I have to pay Brock pretty early. Why?

That's how the NFL works, man. No, no, no. It works that way for Josh Allen. quarterbacks. No, for studs. No, everybody. Jordan loves a stud. He was pretty good.

For eight games last year, you know. Purdy's been better for longer. Nobody, if you ask every GM in the league, you have to pay $50 million to a quarterback. Well, no, that's a different discount. None of them would pay Purdy that. If you had a choice, 32 out of 32 would pay Jordan Love. By the way, Packers paid Jordan Love. How are they looking this year?

Not as good as we thought. He got hurt. Okay. Malik Willis came in in one games. The Brock Pertie discussion is my favorite in the history of our show. It's not mine. It's my least favorite. Jay Mack with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. You see that video where Pertie just fell down running to the right this weekend? Nobody touched them? I didn't see that one play of Brock Pertie failing. Kind of an indictment. Here we go.

That's how I viewed it. Okay. Well, Michael Irvin and Nick Wright. We're both spectacular today. We have had a run-on guest. They bring it. Our guests do not come up short. They empty the tank on this show, and we love them for it.

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