The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Michael Irvin stops by The Herd

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

Hall of Famer Michael Irvin joins the show to provide insight on Deion Sanders leaving Colorado to coach the Dallas CowboysSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You have a relationship with Dionne. Sanders. He has been very loyal. It's been brief, but he loves Colorado. The cowboy had he feels the part. You told me a month and a half ago, he would listen, listen to Jerry Jones. Yes. Is he now listening more to Jerry Jones? Well, you guys now know that he and Jerry has had conversations, which I am so happy now to put that out in the ether and you guys finding that out. Yes, they are having conversations. When I talked to

Dion last night and this morning, when I was talking to him, he was real telling me real carefully now, listen, it's all we can talk about. It's all we can talk about is that yeah, it's all I just say is that they are talking. I love when he tells me things like that.

Really be careful because that means things are moving in a way that we can't just openly talk like we used to openly talk. I can't get out here, running mouth like I need to or I want to you know what I'm saying so I don't want to mess anything up so I make sure I leave it right there he said that's all we can talk about right now that they are they have had conversations and that is manner from heaven when he tells me that now manor from heaven he had said a couple years ago when asked about the NFL right he said I'd have a hard time

paying a guy money and he doesn't care because I care college kids. I know, you know, we'll cut them on a scholarship. You get stuck with NFL guys. Well, that hasn't changed. No, no. But what you do know, though, is we talk about, and we talk about Dion's great ways with young men. These are young men in the NFL. You know, we're in college, we consider to be kids, but these are still young men going through a lot of issues, dealing with a lot of issues. And this is where Deion separates from all of the exes and old's coaches, because he is, a true mentor. He's a true mentor as coaching and the other coaches are coaching and they're forced to mentor. They're forced to mentor. So when we talk about coaching, his job is to bring the best

out of the player. These guys are making a lot of money. Travis Hunter, he brought the best out of Travis Hunter and Travis Hunter had all kinds of opportunity to make money. He didn't think about those things. He thought about bringing the best up out of him. He didn't take all the NIL money. He followed Dion when Dionne went to Jackson and he went to, then he went to Colorado, and now he's living his best life. That's what Deion will do for all the NFL players too. Let's help you get to your best life. And it's not just about making money. It's about making the right decisions. It's about taking care of your family. It's about you and everything that you're doing. That's what he's great at. And that'll bring the best football out of you.

Yeah, Dion's had a remarkable American life. From fastest college player to best cornerback of all time to broadcaster, a lot of spirituality in there, then to coaching small, bigger coaching. If he could end up Dallas Cowboys, it really is an amazing American life. Now I will say- But, Colin, you say all of that, Colin. But it is an amazing life. But it has been met with great wins against him.

W-I-N-D-W-D-W-W-D wind, I mean, you know, people, it's not okay. he's a hell of an athlete. But everywhere this man goes now, everywhere this man goes, when he went to Jackson, oh, he won't work out there. Oh, no, he turned that around. Then went to Colorado. Oh, boy, you'll see when you get the Big Town football.

It's different. Oh, but he turned that around. And here we come again with the same doubt with Dion. Well, what could he do in Dallas? I sell people, everywhere this man has set his foot in the sand, his leaves of footprint of greatness. So Dallas needs to get on board with that. I hope they do.

I can't say much about that. By the way, you have a relationship, you and Aikman have a relationship with Jerry that is different than a lot of people. And can I ask Jerry, who now does acting, he's pretty good on Landman. Yes, so, he's pretty good showman. Has Jerry called you recently just to chat about this? I talked with Jerry when we were at the fight and we were somewhere else. So, yeah, I was at his house. We had an event at his place.

So, yeah, we talked in the last couple weeks. weeks, yeah. Okay, all right. I look, let's talk about the future of Dallas. Let's back up. Let's back up to. All right. Troy, I heard Detroit comments, and you know, I love Troy.

I love Troy to death. And it's to life. I better say the life, because Deanna called me on that. Is it a coveted job? That's what I want to talk about. I don't know if it is. Philadelphia's roster,

Jaden Daniels, 90 million cap space. I don't know if it's a coveted job. I'm not saying it's Colorado State. We got to stop, we got to stop. Prove it to me. Easily. Easily. How many coaches out here? Coaching? What?

A couple hundred thousand? Co-co-coaching all over. College high school? 100,000 coaches. Oh, no, no, no. 50,000 max. No, head coaches. I'm talking everything. Okay.

You're 50,000. There are only 32 jobs in the national football. 32. Each one of those jobs going to pay you above north of somewhere $6, 7 million dollars in here. How? How do I fix this radio on my face to say something like what I say like what he said I love him but how do you fix the radio on your face to sing a song like it's not a coveted job it's the Dallas cowboys there are only 32 of

them in this whole wide world and you're talking about 50,000 max we're talking about nine united states that coaches all over the world that probably wants to come and coach if they knew how to coach national football league let's stop saying stuff like this let's stop saying this is what you call hyperbole. It's superfluous words that you're just throwing out here to sound like something, but it's not true. It has no truth to it. This is a covenant job. All 32 of them are coveted jobs in this country and mostly, probably in this world. So that right there is not right to even say that. Now, the Cowboys is as covenant as any other team in the National Football League. Now, I know Jerry's your friend. I know he's your friend. So what I'm going to say right now.

Jerry, Troy's my friend, too. You're a lot of friends, but I can't lie. I'm telling the truth. I would say this. Jerry is, that's why he's so good on Landman. He's a performer. He loves the media. There are those in the NFL that say, well, you had Jimmy and Parcells, and basically

you ran them off. I think what Troy was saying is, oh, it's a job, but it does sort of feel like you've got to answer a lot of questions about Jerry's recent radio. report. Doesn't that getting away a little? No. No. Not if you're doing your job. I don't care what Jerry says. If I'm winning football games, I'm doing my job.

You can do what they say, whatever you want. Who cares? I'm doing my job. And this is what I'm saying, guys. The owner talks. My issues, is that why we so hard on Jerry because he talks and does radio interviews? What's the separation between Jerry and the Rooney's? What's the separation?

I keep bringing this up and nobody tells me anything. I'm almost getting afraid to bring it up now because the Roonies must have something on everybody. I don't know what's going on. But the Roonies run all of the organization in Pittsburgh and they haven't given Mike Tumbling what he wants, but we want to run Mike Tumbling out. But when it comes to the Cowboys, it's all Jerry's fault.

Any failure or any not seed succeeding is all Jerry's fault. Everywhere else, it's just a coach. in Pittsburgh Nobody's put anything on the Rooney's in Pittsburgh and they haven't found a quarterback in a hundred years in a hundred years But Jerry's different He is a different owner

He does radio hits He talks after the game He's a show How many owners would go on Landman And look like an actor But does that mean Because Jerry's doing an interview That is not a covenant job

Can we take it that far? Can we say that? Does that mean because Jerry's doing an interview That he hasn't done a good job when he gave you 12 and 5 talent every year over the last three years. So, come on, I don't mind you're not liking them. I don't mind you want to say. I understand all that.

A lot of people don't know them, but other people don't like them. And that's why this stuff perpetuates itself so much. I'm just saying, man, let's look at the reality and measure the reality and stop having these crazy conversations about this is not a coveted job. Yes, it is. I'm going to throw something. I'm interested in your answer for this. this. So, um, years ago, I went to a therapist. I, I, I don't do it a lot, but I went to a therapist.

Best thing in who are. And so my wife and I were arguing about something. And the therapist said to me, he goes, you have a different brain than your wife. She's an artist. You're more accountant. And we don't argue. That's pretty good. He said, she sees colors. You see shapes. So when you criticize her for this, she sees the world differently than you. And then, uh, and so, and, uh, and So I shared this with my wife, and she said, yeah, I'm smarter than you get over it. The point being, it did change the way I view argument. I'm always thinking, I see the world in squares in circles. She'll see it in shades of lavender.

So, AJ Brown. And you got to come to her and say, okay, when you say something, say, okay, how did you receive that? That's right. How did it land for you? How did you receive that? When AJ Brown is reading a book on the sidelines. I was happy. That made you happy.

Oh, yeah. Okay. See, my brain works differently. Well, what did you see? Because AJ is me. Me and AJ, we are like, I had to learn when I left football. Of course, I had some mistakes and steps in football. So I said to myself, you're not catching any more touchdowns.

Let's figure out why we have some of the situations we have. Okay. You know, I got to figure it. out. And I was reading and trying to study and learn more about me. I ran up upon this book. It's a great book called The Edison Gene, the gift of the ADHD child. And in this book, they're talking about

what A.J. Brown was doing here. What he's doing is trying to calm, what you call his reptilian brain. Anytime anyone, in the third trimester of a mother's pregnancy, if she's stressed in any way, cortisol is released to the brain of the baby, telling the baby to prepare for a flight of fight

environment. Because that's what his mom is. He heard that before. Yeah, his mom is it. So his reptilian brain kind of getting a little stuck. He's more apt to fight than reason. Like me, I'm more apt to fight you. You confront me than reason with you. And it serves me great on the football field.

But when I'm driving down the street and somebody says, I have to figure out how I have to say, you know, the book will tell you, the book will tell you, knowing that you're like this is 75% of just, it's how. So you see yourself in A.J. Brown. Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. That's why when everybody said, what are he doing here for? I said, the man is totally focused. This is totally focused.

I'm focused on my energy being good energy for the team, and I'm going to focus on me, and I know I can't let this situation take over me. I understand it because he and I are the same dude. I understand what he was doing right there, and I think all of us, a lot of receivers need to learn it, and even do this right here what he's doing, because it really is. brilliant. They got through the game, and he was out there joking when Sequin didn't go all the way and run. You know what I mean? So he put them back in the right frame of mind, even though he only got one pass.

I don't know if the book could have helped me with one pass in a playoff game, but it helped him. That's good. That's good. I don't know. I would have been saying, hey, but it's funny about that. I'll share something with the audience. I had lunch with Rich Eisen a couple months ago, and we were talking about you. That's my man, too. Yeah, and I said, we had great affection for you. And we said, you know, And you've had some missteps in life, haven't we all? Yours have been more public. Yeah. And our take was you're a curious person, you're great, you have great empathy, and we both shared

kind of the same stories that we had such great feelings for you because you acknowledged stuff, you admit stuff, you're imperfect, but you're, you always come back to Michael at your heart. And I think what you're saying now, you're addressing this with A.J. Brown, I love that you're saying, Guys, this is me, and everybody learns differently. Right. Everything lands differently. That's that they're, I don't want to bore the audience. And you can't take that side of me without realizing this this side of me.

And I'm working on this side of me. That's right. Let me get this book out and work through me. All right. You see what I mean. And that's just a difference. Okay. I'm watching the Rams last night.

And there are times, you had one with Jimmy Johnson. Very few players get an all-time great coach. you had Jimmy Johnson and I'm watching McVeigh last night he's got Shanahan's brain he's got Jimmy Johnson's understanding of personnel he's got Andy Reed's play design

he's got Dan Campbell's ability to give you big alpha energy I didn't see a game I saw a little bit of a coaching mismatch last night how is McVe viewed around the league and I'm with you on this I think Mavis is an incredible coach an incredible coach

even a year they won that Super Bowl, to have that kind of talent on that team and not have any kind of situations from that team was incredible. That means he managed all of those personalities. Remember, there's a lot of personalities on that team. And now he's got the crisis, the tragedy in Southern California around his facility. And he puts it right in and uses it. He uses it.

He doesn't run away from it. He says to the guys, hey, let's give our people back home something to get away from the mess they're doing. dealing with. Let's make some great miss out of that great mess you know and let's get let's try to ride this. Every team this time of the year tries

to find that hook. Yes. That's what we always hear. Call it. Man is us against the world. Ain't nobody saying nothing but what do you mean? They just start saying that you guys are undefeated right now. Who's against you? But we always come up with these mantras. You're looking for a hook. You're looking for the hook and this

disaster has given the Rams when they played like it was a hook like we're going to give these people some relief from what they've been dealing with and they boy they who they laid it out on the vikings last night with them nine sex i mean they played well so when you were a cowboy uh the coach and the quarterback were the centerpiece of the team and then you and emitt were viewed as the the weaponry but it was a very quarterback strong coach and quarterback personality philadelphia's in interesting. I don't trust the coach. I think the center of the team is Sequin Barclay. I think the center of the team is the O line. And I don't know if you can win a Super Bowl in

2025. And that's not a knock on Jalen Hertz. I like him. But he's not Lamar. Mahomes. Statistically, he's not Goff. He's not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Stafford from the pocket. What do you make of a Philadelphia team where the coaches yelling at fans, where the quarterback is kind of inconsistent. Can you win a Super Bowl with that? I love that analogy that you just laid out and how you tracked it. You know, when you talk about the solidness of this team, I think Jalen Hertz is a great leader, a great leader.

But Sequin has brought something different to this team. It's totally different. And let me tell you, and I was just talking about Jalen, I mean, AJ Brown on the sideline reading the book, and then him and Devonte Smil, man, why do you keep running? Go, go with the ball. I would have said keep running. Go down on the one-yard line if you're going to go down to one-yard.

I love that play. Right, right. Why you love it? You know why you love it? Let me tell you why you love it. Let me tell you why you love it. Because it just said to all of Philadelphia, hey, I'm totally not selfish.

Any other running back would have gone and got the rest of those yards before he sat down. Because that's part of the great season you've had. You had a 2,000-yard Russian season. You're going to have 100 and something. Do you know how smart? Do you know how cognitively quick you have to be? As a running back, the last guy in football you can hit from any angle, that's Saquan Barkley, who didn't play the last week and could have set the record.

Right. So you could have that animosity. You break free to seal it. And he is so in the moment that he said, no, it's about us, not me. Boy, there's some things I got to talk about there. There's a good skid in there. The ability in the moment to go, I'm going to sit down right here. I was just like, oh, that dude's going 1,000 miles an hour.

Right, now, Colin, let me tell you how I saw it. I said, oh, wow, two things of that. Boy, that's great because I saw Devonty and AJ Brown. Oh, man, what do you do? Keep going, keep going, keep going. So he's showing them something here. He's showing them, hey, man, it ain't about them numbers. It's about us getting the championship.

And I love that part of it. I did not like the interview afterwards when he said, oh, well, you know, there are things that could have happened. I'm going to pull the hamstring. I said, oh, God, I don't know here. Why, because I want, that's why I wanted him to get the record last week, at the end of the week, into the season, because I wanted him to exercise that demon in his career.

What's been the demon in his career? It's been injuries. Yeah. And if you go pat, I'm going to get this record. I'm not going to let that demon make me afraid to go and get the record. I believe that demon also made him afraid to continue running. That's why he fell down. Now he was going to fall down on the one,

but let's go get those other 60 yards. He has to deal with that. But the lesson he gave A.J. Brown and Devonte Smith, that was a great lesson, but he has to deal with that in his own mind. I'm so good at this, people. That's what I do, because it's real. These guys, I dealt with it.

I had to study it because I had to calm my black butt down. I was crazy. You've got to study these things. Don't just study what you do. Go learn why you did it. Don't just hear what people say. Understand how they think. That's how you win in life.

Okay. When's the last time? Dion and you text each other. Could you give us the time on that? This morning. This morning. This morning. Yeah, of course.

And that's for the audience that just tuned in, he said to you what? Well, I can only tell you so much and you can't be telling the world everything. It's what he said to me. That's why I'm trying to thin this line right here. But they are. but they are talking and to me that's heaven.

I'm in joy because I talked about this yesterday with with Kishon and Joy and of course Paul on speaking they were talking about well what's the plan with Jerry? Jerry was going in trying to make it work with Mike McCarthy but they couldn't agree on the years I said oh that's great and so now before Jerry let you guys win and talk like he didn't have a plan he'll go out this will make him. him go go and do something differently and more drastic because he i've heard him said many times i've always come out on top when forced to do something or make a hard decision it always worked out and this time will be the same thing i really do believe that so all of mike mccarthy fall out

and jerry wanted him and didn't get him of pushed his billionaire to go do something that he probably wouldn't have normally done like a hire of Dion Sanders or something like that. So I'm excited to see what plays out. I'm going to try to keep these big old lips I got closed like Dion adds, but it's a hard task. He understood it. He understood. He knows it's hard because I'm excited, too.

So I got to control myself. Michael Irvin, the playmaker, is always my friend. And I love you too, buddy. You're my man. Great senior. I'm so happy right now, y'all, because we're going to have a good offseason. It gives us hope again. Hope.

When I say I'm happy, I'm not happy about any man getting fired, but just happy about new direction. Yeah. And what's happening and what's going to happen. Totally. Totally. All right. We're about to be in prime time.

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Zach Ertz is around the corner. J. Mack, we're going to, uh, uh, uh, Herdline News. We'll just move on. we'll just talk a little bit about, but I think Michael touched on. I think Dion Sanders is better than a 50% chance to get the job. That is my, I think Dion Sanders, to me, is the leader in the clubhouse. I think Jerry wants to be interesting. I think Dion is interesting.

He has back-to-back college jobs where he is, to some level, flourished. I think he connects with players. I think the NFL is getting younger. Locker rooms are getting younger. So I think his wisdom and he can impart sort of leadership and culture. And I do think the Cowboys don't, you don't, you don't, Think of them as a broken franchise, but maybe not Pittsburgh offensively. But they feel like the trains off the tracks and they got to get it back on the tracks.

The Jets feel broken. The Steelers' offense feels broken. The Bears feel broken. The Titans for years did or Carolina. I don't think the Cowboys are broken. I think the trains got to get back on the track. They've got to get the ball back on the fairway. And, you know, Dion, remember, among players, he's a legend.

Among players, he is worshipped. and I think even the young kids who didn't see him play so the NFL locker room's older they have a greater understanding of who he is so I don't know I think I think it's a 60-40 70-30 Deion's the leader in the clubhouse

let me ask you said you want to be interesting he'll make him interesting don't you want to win football games get back to a Super Bowl is Dion doing that we're not sure he can't do that he well has he proven it at the college level well Colorado was

not a very good job it was a terrible job terrible program. He did amazing things. I got that. But this idea that he's going to take a job, his son's going to be elsewhere in the league. Like, I don't, you're over 50% chance on Dion? I think I may be low. I think it's closer to 60. I would go closer to 5 to 10%. I just don't see that. You should, you've been saying all week, this is not a good job. And now Dion's taking out. Well, no, no. What I'm saying is I think Philadelphia's roster, Jaden Daniels, Dax's contract, Jerry's

meddling. I don't view it as a highly coveted job. But then when I look at the jobs that are available this year, there was one I like. There's about one job a year I look at, Chargers last year, Patriots this year. I'm like, oh, that's a good job. I'm telling you, New England got a great draft pick, and they don't need a quarterback. Brable's literally going to trade down. They're going to get 13 draft picks. They're going to be a playoff team next year. So did the Patriots go for interesting, or did they go for the best? best coach on the market. Jerry screwed this up once again.

Again, he could have easily said, oh, McCarthy, we like it. We want Brable. We want to go for the best. But he wants interesting now. Like name in the lights. I don't get it, Colin. I was a Cowboys fan. I'd be so irate right now.

You can't get Ben Johnson, right? Because they screwed up and they missed the window because they were messing around with McCarthy. And now it's like a Hail Mary for Dion Sanders. Well, if Dion's the coach, he'll have to beat Washington. Zachert, so the commanders is joining us next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's Steve Kavino.

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a tight end for the commanders, a three-time pro bowler. Boy, this has been a magical season. I don't remember a team winning more games on Hail Marys and doyx and last second games. It kind of feels magical. Have you ever been part of a team with this kind of late game success? Probably not this frequent to have this many closed games, and you went on the very last play. You know, we had the double doink in a playoff game a few years back in Philly. And then we had another doink in this one for me.

So I'm kind of used to that last second field goal. Obviously, you wish they didn't come down to that, but it always feels good to win. And all that matters this time of year is finding a way to win. Obviously, they brought you in for your leadership, your toughness, and your productivity. How long did it take you, Zach? maybe a practice, maybe whatever it was, that you kind of watched Jaden Daniels and went, this doesn't really feel like a rookie quarterback necessarily.

I know people were excited for him the moment he got here. They have the rookie minicamp. They're bringing the rookies and it's just rookies. And I get a text Saturday night from Cliff and like, hey, you need to go watch the rookie minicamp film. I'm like, Cliff, I'm in my 12th year. Do I really need to go watch a rookie minicam? camp film and he goes, you need to check it out. And I watched Jaden complete every pass over a two-day

period for a rookie minicamp. And I think from then, you knew the physical talent was there, but it also spoke to just his preparedness for that. He approached it like he was going into a game the way he was on time with everything. And just from the moment he got here, his maturity, his determination to be great and commitment to the process. Guys just love playing for him and playing with them, and he's so talented as well. Yeah, you know what else I like about him, Zach? I like the podium.

I get into this stuff. The podium on the sidelines, he doesn't sulk. There's a temperament. There's a temperament thing. Dak had this. I remember when Dak broke into the league. Andrew Luck had this. And I talk about this stuff all the time, and my fans just give me nothing but crap

for it. but I'm like, it does matter for quarterbacks. His temperament is like mature. Like, right? It's different. I agree. So you see it too. Yeah.

He has the ultimate quiet confidence. He has such strong belief in himself. But it comes off in a way that is so humble. And guys just, I mean, I have, I compared him to Andrew in the training camp, people called me crazy. Obviously playing with Andrew in college. But just his poise, how composed he is, you can't tell whether we're up 21 points or down 21 points.

Watching him on the sideline. And I think it's just, it rubs off on the rest of us. Because we know eventually, no matter what's going on, it will click because we see their guy that's leading our offense each and every week just the same guy. And he knows that eventually he's going to make. a play and we know he's eventually going to make a play and we're going to take off from there. So it does rub off and it does mean a lot. And I've played with guys that do not have that.

And it's a lot more fun to play with the guy that is just composed and present in the moment every time. I never doubt you, but you've had a hell of a year. You're the second leading receiver. You've had seven touchdowns. Be honest. Did you think you'd be this productive? You know, that's a great question. It's a fair question as well. I found I don't like the production when I'm healthy is always there. Honestly, if I'm being honest, I have a lot of belief in myself. In the past two years, I just haven't been healthy. I had the knee injury two years ago, and I probably rushed back at the beginning of last year.

And then last year, it just wasn't the offense. Everything happened in Arizona after Cliff left was just, it wasn't a great situation. And so just for me, I really wanted to be in a place where people believed in me again. and I tell people all the time. There's probably been two coaches in my career that believe in me as much as Cliff and Frank Reich and those two guys are special to me

and so just being able to be with Cliff and I heard amazing things about Coach Quinn but even those have been far exceeded in my experience here and just my entire experience on this team has far exceeded all my expectation and I really just loved love coming to work every day and that's when I get, that's why I'm at my best when I'm able to be around guys

I love the process, because that's what I do. By the way, you're one of the smarter players in the league, and Jaden Daniels, as we talked about, has an Andrew Luck feel. It's funny you said that because two days ago I said, I feel like I'm watching Andrew Luck. Cognitively, maturity, toughness. When Jaden targets you this year, 100-passer rating, 5 touchdown, 70% completion rate,

will he extend your career? Will you stay in the game? Honestly, I feel like you kind of found a guy that you've, could grow with. I mean, you're going to sit and go home with Julie and say, I know we got young boys, but I want to play a few more years. Do you feel that way? Well, I think just being here in general with Coach Quinn and Cliff has made me feel rejuvenated. The way they've taken care of me this year with practicing and training camp and just making sure I'm at my best when the game comes, I feel young. And then playing with Jaden, yes, I would

love to play with Jaden for a long time. I don't think I have, I don't think this is my last year by any means. I still feel like I have a lot of good football in front of me. Obviously, there are things that are going to happen in terms of the business side, whatever it may be, but I don't worry about that stuff. Everyone knows how I feel about this place and the people here. I wish I was 22 and just start my career to be able to play a really long time with this kid. But I've loved every minute of it being here. Yeah. By the way, you had a couple catches this weekend, third and fourth down, both got first downs. I think we've said this before. There are guys I want in a locker

room in the NFL. They're just guys I want and you're one of those guys. Zach Ertz, commanders tied in. Great seeing you. Love having you on. Your story is amazing. I grew up, I'm old enough to remember George Allen. They had a different name. I can literally recite

the entire roster in 72, 3, 4, 5 when they were getting to Super Bowls, the Joe Gibbs teams. So it's a really great fan base. I am glad they're back. And thank you for stopping our show as always, Zach. I appreciate it. All right, Colin. Take care. Thanks, ma'am. Just a great guy,

Zach Hurtz. And again, this is a glue guy in a locker room, and he made two catches this weekend. Once again, third down, fourth, down. When you get a rookie quarterback, Bill Parcells was so good at this. Parcells always knew this. There are guys when he went to Miami and he was the GM and he started rebuilding the room.

There are guys in a room. They're great weightlift guys. They're great film room guys. They're really smart guys. They're not selfish guys. They'll help young guys. like Zach hurts, Jaden Daniels, go look at his numbers when he's targeting him. He completes 70% of his throws. And it's, by the way, Brady, when he went to Tampa, get me grong. Grong's like, I'm retired.

I'm good. I'm on the beach. I'm no, no, no, I need gronk. I need his toughness. I need his mindset. You know, there's this. The whole Jaden Daniels story is, I glad he mentioned Andrew Luck. That's where I feel like I'm watching.

Like, this doesn't make sense. How is Jaden Daniels this smart, this prepared, This accurate, this poise, his fourth quarter and overtime passer rating. It's like, I think it's almost best in the league. Makes no sense. All right, Nick Wright, Michael Irvin, Zach Ertz, how lucky are we? As Jim Harbaugh would say. Nobody's got it better than us.

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