The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - More on Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

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There we go. It's hour three. I was thinking about this, J. Mack. Certain things are bigger on certain coasts. The UFC overwhelmingly started in Vegas and L.A. So when I worked at the other place over a decade ago, about a decade ago, I can remember going to them and saying, there's this sport called UFC, and my friends think it's awesome. And they're like, no, it's too much.

and I'm like, I'm just telling you, it's Hollywood celebrities, people going to UFC. This was like 15 years ago. I said, you should go buy it. Well, they ended up buying it for about 12 times the multiple they could have had it for. So I remember that, and a lot of that was just a geographical bias. They grew up in the Northeast. It started out west. Obviously, Saturdays in the fall are much bigger in the South than they are anywhere else.

in the country, Midwest, they're big too. But in the Northeast, in the fall, you're just going out with your wife or your friends because it's Sunday football day, NFL day. March Madness to me has always felt bigger in the Northeast and Tobacco Road than everywhere else in the country because you grow up with the ACC and the Big East. And I was a West Coast kid. So I grew up, you know, I grew up in the West Coast. My favorite conference was the Big East.

Second was the Pac-12. I didn't even, I didn't care about Big Ten SEC. I mean, it just didn't care about it. To me, I'm a fairly young college guy in my early 20s. All I cared about was Louis Carnaceka and, you know, Roli Massimino or whatever this, you know, Rick Petino and John Thompson, Patrick Ewing. And however old I was at that time, I'm on the exact opposite side of the country, 3,400 miles away. I was totally into the Big East. So I love March Madness, but I've noticed you are a Northeast guy.

My Northeast friends, they take work off for it. Yeah. My friends out west are like, yeah, I may get down to a bar, and I'm going to watch some of the late afternoon games. People in the Northeast, they will travel to Vegas for a four-day weekend to watch the game. So we take it off as a show. We take Thursday, Friday off because we want to watch the games. and we know we're going to have no audience. So my takeaway is, you know, that's the way we're going to be.

You know, it's also like when I went to ESPN, one of the reasons I went there is I wanted to go to the heart of baseball country. So I had worked in Tampa, so I worked in the SEC. I knew how big college football. I lived in all four corners of the country. I was in Vegas. I know what boxing's like. Boxing Tyson, Sugar Ray, Hagler-Herns. I'm 20 years old.

That's what I was covering. And I was covering UNLV basketball. So in my moves around the country, every region is different. There's no, every single region is totally different. March Madness is just different East and Tobacco Road. It's just, it is everything. People live for it. There are writers, most of your great college basketball writers, most of them.

They're all in that area of the country. I remember coming out here and a bunch of guys played basketball in a certain night. And I was like, guys, I can't play. I've got to watch the national championship, college football. And they were like, oh, can't you just miss the first half? And I was like, no, it's the national championship. And they're still playing games. I don't know, Colin.

I love, like you said, March Madness. I'm grateful that we're off. Well, you know, we are, this is what I think helps college. There's two things helping college basketball a lot going forward. NIL. Oh, yeah. Okay. Like now, a lot of these kids would just stay.

They'll stay one more year at Duke, unless you're a Cooper, flagging the best player in the country. So that helps. Instead of going to the G League, well, we can pay more than the G League and you get a better coach. And the second thing that helps college basketball, we are becoming an event culture. So baseball, the NBA, and hockey are finding this out. Monday through Thursday, Monday through Friday, it is harder to get TV ratings because we all got the phone and the TikTok. We're all distracted. World Cup still gets great numbers. NFL gets great numbers. The Olympics great great numbers. Big East tournament and the Big Ten tournament got massive numbers. Because they're seen as

events. Yes. So that's why college football playoff, now we're not used to it yet. Last year was okay. Over the course of the next five or six years, it will become more of our schedules. Like, hey, I'm not going here. I'm not going to ski this weekend. I'm watching like four college football games. But college basketball's had a lean 20 years where like the NBA almost marginalized them. They got two great things going for them. The NIL is going to to keep some of your best players for one more year. So let's be honest. I can remember having a moment. I never forget this. I used to go buy Street and Smith was a magazine. And I, you know, I'm Phil Steele for football. I would buy Street and Smith. And I would buy that

so I would spend a weekend reading it so I knew when the college season came, I had, you know, all the players down. I never forget going to a grocery store, however many years. years this was ago, 18 years ago or something. The Street and Smith, All-American team, had three freshmen who I'd never heard of because they were in high school the year before. And it was like a Michigan

State guy, a Kansas guy, and then guys I'd never heard of it. I'm like, this is a problem. I'm a fan. I was at UNLV. I covered the rebels. Like, I'm a fan of college basketball. I never even heard of the best players. Forget the third tier guys. I don't even know the best players. So I think college basketball, we saw it last year

with the March Madness ratings. I also think, women's college basketball is benefiting greatly. They don't leave early. I found myself watching the WNBA draft this year. I knew the top eight players knew all of them. NBA draft? I mean, unless you eat breeches, wears socks to bed and smoke cigarettes,

and follow French basketball leagues, you had no idea who the first eight guys were. I mean, it was literally, I'm like, Who? I'm not going to go on the internet and, you know, it was Frenchy. Oh, Sacre blues, shooting God. Sorry, you lost me. I'm watching March Madness. So I think sports are cyclical. Boxing was big. Now it's UFC. By the way, UFC has their own challenges. Their pay-per-view numbers are down.

Some of people are saying they're looking for the next Connor McGregor. So, like, the NFL is kind of bulletproof. Even UFC. And I'm just reading this on the internet, like the pay-per-view. was down because they're you know they need john jones Connor mcgregor i bought every car those guys were on those guys are on i am less inclined not that i don't like it but there are there have been occasional cards where i'm like i can miss this one there's not the guy so ronda rousey have a big moment she did and that's not a knock on the league the NBA jimmy butler to the warriors luca to the lakers rating shoot up

yeah take the NFL out all these sports i you know i love college football people ask me for about a decade. You don't talk college football anymore. And I said it's become regional. It's Clemson, Georgia, Bama. Nobody Denver West cares. I'm on Seattle Radio, L.A. Radio, Phoenix. They don't care.

The minute you're regional, you're uninteresting to a syndicated host. I don't care. So that's why I, that's why, like baseball right now, I don't understand ESPN not having baseball. Yankees are good. Mets are good. Dodgers are good. Cubs are interesting.

Braves are good. You have every big region covered. All the best team. Philadelphia is good. If you could, in Major League Baseball, if you could take, okay, pick the five teams you want to be good. You'd go Dodgers, Yankees, Braves. If you ever been to the South, everybody all summer where it's a Braves have. Philly's and Mets, too.

Phillies, Mets, Cubs. And by the way, Houston or Texas wouldn't hurt either. All those teams are good. So baseball right now is in a, great cycle. And I've said this. The NBA could get so lucky. Cooper flag goes at least to the final four, and then Chicago wins the lottery. Because right now, think of the symmetry in the NBA. Two biggest markets on the West Coast, L.A. and San Francisco, great TV ratings. Two biggest markets on the East Coast, New York, Boston. Great numbers.

They're missing Chicago. And I will argue that Dallas, when these guys get healthy, that Dallas team is good. I'll argue that all day long. We'll see. We'll see when Kyrie comes back. PJ Gafford, A.D. Kyrie. The kids are out of there, but they got to all get healthy. If they get healthy next year, Dallas is a title contender.

Keep an eye on Houston if they get Kevin Durant. There's a chance. Houston's pretty good, what, top five in the West? Yeah. But it's just, it's funny, you have such passion for me. March Madness, and I have another friend who just is like you, like, it's just, I mean, J-MAC yesterday during a break, he's like, hey, thanks for getting us these days off. And I'm like, and it's like that's a very East Coast thing.

Like, I'm going to watch, I'm going to watch basketball for four days. When I told my family that you got us the two days off, I didn't get it. I actually said, this is not a lie. I almost wanted to hug Colin. Like, I was so happy. Colin, when I worked normal jobs before I got out here, I would pretend to be sick leading up to the Thursday Friday, so then I just call in Thursday, well, I'm not feeling good, I got to stay home because I was coughing yesterday, remember?

And I would fake like a sickness just to stay home and watch the tournament. I've never done that. That's how much I love them. I've never done that. You're lying. You've done that. No, I've influenced. Influenza does not keep me away.

No, but I mean, part of this was, I mean, it was out of respect to the audience, Thursday and Friday, nobody watches. Because it's an American event. And I've learned in my career, don't go up against events. You can go up against games all the time. You're not going to compete against March Madness, the World Cup, the Olympics, an NFL game. You're not going to compete against it. America and I, so it's just fun to watch the cyclical nature of all these sports.

And I think college basketball and baseball have a really, they got some runway here to do some special stuff. I mean, I am genuinely into the Dodgers and that Cub series. Like genuinely, I don't set my alarm for 3.45 in the morning. for a lot of things. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

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Mercedes-Lewis, the former UCLA Bruin. God, you were drafted back in 2006 by the Jags out of you. I remember your college career. So we were talking during the break. It is interesting. I can remember, now I'm old enough to remember when Benny Cunningham for the Steelers was like, he may get a targeted game. And then you'd see Kellan Winslow, and you're like, well, that's a once-out-a-year player.

it feels like there's a lot more Kellyn Winslow-ish guys coming out of college. What is the single biggest change at tight end from this past year to your rookie year? Well, I would say, obviously, I came in at a time where it was more

run-heavy, play action pass, let's control the clock, being an extra extension of the line, and if we need you to stress the field, great, here you go, catch a bone to come back and come block this power play. Right? So, As far as the change, though, like tight-ins now are more spread out.

And I think the responsibility of the tight-in is changing as time goes on, right? Like you, when I came in, it was like, okay, you have your number one tight-in, and then, you know, you'll have two tight-ins behind me, but they're not really going to be expected to do much work, right? It's special teams, and if I need a break or my shoe comes on tide, I'll come out, somebody comes in. Now what you're saying, teams are starting to get more guys, you know, more depth at these different positions to kind of take the workload off of the number one guy. So, for instance, Travis Kelsey, right, elite pass catcher, you know what you're going to get out of him.

You want to keep him as fresh as possible. So you're going to have him there and then who's behind him. Noah Gray. You're going to have Noah Gray who's your guy that can kind of do it all, right? And then the guy behind Noah Gray is going to be the more utility guys. special teams guy all in an effort to keep the number one guy healthy, right? And continue to develop the guys behind Travis. But that's what it's more geared towards now. And I like it. It's kind of like when you think about the running backs and you have like your, your guy that's

going to run in between the tackles, your bruiser. And then you got, your guide is catching, you know, catching a ball out the back field, pitches, sweeps and things of that nature. But it keeps guys fresh. And throughout the course of the year, you need that. some of what you've done is I mean I remember when you came out of college it's like could this guy play in the NBA remember Dave Winfield of baseball there

you had a Dave Winfield quality you're like he just decided to play a sport you could have played more than one so but I wonder how much of 19 years is just mindset do you think that matters

yeah I think that's a good point Obviously, the physical part of this game, you know what you're signing up for. I've been playing football stuff, seven years old, and it's something that I've grown accustomed to. But my mentality is which sets me apart and having a routine and my adaptability as well. The game is going to evolve. It's going to continue to evolve. And if you want to have a long career, then you have to find ways to kind of keep that edge and do the same. And obviously when I came out of UCLA, pass catcher, setting records, touchdowns, all of that, got to Jacksonville, those first three years was kind of like a culture shock because we didn't pass the ball at the rate, you know, I caught the ball in college.

But what that did was prepare me for what the road was going to be ahead, right? And that was getting that gristle on my bones and really embracing the grind. and I've been able to weaponize the grind throughout my career. And, you know, nowadays, when the expectations are a certain way, I've already been through that. I know what it looks like. So I'm able to lead from the front and help the guys that are coming behind me and let them know that, like, this is truly a privilege to be in this league.

And if you want to play for a long time and, you know, you want to have a really successful career, it's about the grit and the grind. and that's what I thrive off of. So Cole Comet, Notre Dame, or I met him at the USC Notre Dame game, really engaging guy. That's my guy. Really nice guy. And so you were in Chicago.

I'm moving the base of our show to Chicago, and I'm going there after the show and wife's family's there, is, you know, J.MAC is like, I can't take the cold weather. Now, you're a West Coast guy. Can you at least acknowledge to J. Mack? Chicago's a fun time. I will say this. Obviously, I played 12 years in Jacksonville,

five in Green Bay. I just finished my second in Chicago. I think the city of Chicago is probably one of my favorite cities I've ever been in, and I was born in at Lone Beach. I went to UCLA, right? Love L.A. This is where I'm from. This is where the family is.

But Chicago is probably one of my favorite cities to ever be in. Architecture. Everything, man. The food is amazing. The people are just great. People dress up. Yeah. No, it's, and you mentioned the cold, like, yes, it is cold.

We do understand that. But, like, I feel like I dress the best when it's cold. You know what I mean? I can layer up. I can wear my trench coats with my hoodies and everything? Can I tell him that? You know, you know when I tell my wife this. Yeah.

I'm like, man, you are in the winter. She's got layers that code. Come on. Yes, like that's. Got good-looking people. Yes, that's what it's about. Like, I'm telling you, when it's hot outside, sometimes when I'm in my house, I don't even know what I'm wearing.

Like, I'll leave out with swim trunks with a hoodie just because I'm like, what, maybe cold, you know how L.A. is. It's like, yeah, it says 78, but the breeze, like, I don't, give me something that I know. If it's going to be 60, I'm dressed like it's 60, and I know exactly what I'm walking into. So I enjoy it. Like, it's a good time. So we do worry a little about Caleb Williams, and I've said this. I love him personally.

I think he's a good guy. His, and I think this was a fair, not even a criticism, it was a fair kind of summation of him. in college sometimes, and I think a lot of this was he didn't trust his own line, he just wouldn't out them publicly, is that he was kind of a big play guy. Instead of taking the layup, which that's the NFL. Mahomes takes a lot of layout. No doubt. You know, Michael Jordan about twice a night was jaw dropping. Other than that, Michael hit a lot of 18 footers.

He just come down. And that he was a little prone to go wild play over just boom, boom, boom. Did you sense a little bit of that early in him growing out of that? Yeah, I think, you know, when you have a guy like Caleb and the ability that he has to get that ball out of his hand and throw off platform and make it look, make hard stuff look very easy. And if you're doing it in college and you've been able to get away with it in college, obviously the natural progressions when you come into the league, you're going to try to do some of those things. And so I think, you know, in his defense, obviously with our offense last year, the firing of coaches. It was a lot going on. And he was just trying to do the best job he could at trying to take on all the information.

Obviously, the offense kind of like shifted midway through the season. Like it was just a lot going on for him. And I think that, you know, obviously bringing Ben Johnson in and being able to pair him with Caleb. And Caleb's ability to kind of be who he is. And Ben is going to be able to get in there and get into it. his mind and kind of create this offense around Caleb so that, you know, he understands the structure and how things should work in the NFL. And, you know, you're not going to question Ben's ability to put guys in position to make plays. Right. You know, I'm looking forward to watching it.

It's going to be... Are you going to play again? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm at 19, obviously. That's all fine and Danny, but 20 just sounds weird. I don't know where yet. You know, there's been a few teams probing to kind of see if I'm going to continue to play. And so it's all on the universe's hands. And I'm just going to do my job like I've always done this off season and train my butt off. And I'll be ready when that. Would you like to go to Chicago?

Of course. That's best case scenario. Okay, it is. Yeah, yeah. What's second best case scenario? You know, Chargers could use a, they could use a tough guy. Yeah. I'm going to leave that open to interpretation.

I'm not going to, obviously, for me to put Chicago out there, I've been there the last two years, I'm familiar with the process and, you know, that work and what they expect and what's expected of me, right? And obviously they got, they fired their coaching staff, but they kept my tight end coach who I've had the last two years there. And so it would be great to finish my career with him. Jim Dre is somebody that I respect a lot. And he, you know, brings the best out of us in that room. and being able to continue to watch Cold Commet kind of develop and do his thing as he comes into his own. And, you know, it would just be a blessing.

So, you know, obviously what I can control is being my personal best and working out and doing my thing, and I'll be ready when that time comes. So you know, Aaron, well, I said, I kind of thought he would, Minnesota works. I would have gone to Minnesota. I could see Aaron at this point saying, you know what, I kept telling him, people. I think he likes New York. I think he's a smart guy, likes the city, it's fabric. I think New York is a, like Chicago. Big smart cities for, you know, museums and architecture. And there's just, there's always somewhere to go in New York in Chicago or London. I could see him going to

New York. They got a left tackle, offensive coach, weapon, great running back draft. But I could also see Aaron saying, listen, man, I'm 41, a little bumpy at the end, first ballot Hall of Famer. If you had to guess today, retirement, Steelers Giants, do you have a guess? My guess would maybe be the Steelers. You like the Steelers. They don't have a left tackle. That worries me. I think, I just think that him coming from the Jets, obviously already being in New York, I don't know, me knowing A-Rod, I don't know if he would want to just go right over to the Giants after being with the Jets. Like, I just, I feel like he wanted more of like just something completely new, completely different, potentially get out of New York. I know him and Tomlin have a

really good relationship and a good, you know, rapport there. And it's just a still city. I feel like that's the piece that they would need to potentially put them over the top as well. But if I, you know, what's having a conversation with Aaron right now about coming back, I would just say chase joy, not happiness. Happiness is fleeting. If you don't find joy in football and everything that comes with it anymore as far as, you know, being scrutinized and everybody picking you apart from the outside, you've done enough. You know, you are one of the best that have ever done it. And like you said, first ballot and a really good friend of mine. So I just, whatever it is, take the time to kind of figure that out. He always knows he can lean on me and hit me at whenever he

wants to kind of sort through it. But he's definitely done enough. So it'd be interesting to see. Is he misunderstood? Yeah, I mean, I think for people that don't know me, I would be misunderstood as well. You know what I mean? Like, it's just one of those things. Like, if you don't know somebody personally, you're going to form your own opinions based on second-hand and third-hand information that you've gotten. And does A-Rod kind of provoke it a little bit? Because he knows.

I think I've said this before. He can be combative. No doubt. By the way, with his family. I'm not making stuff up. And I've met Aaron once at the SB's very, very quick. And even in that little 45-second moment. comment, he's got a big opinion and he'll tell you and he didn't know me and I'll never say

what was said. But my take is that's who he is. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, that's just who he is. And if you don't really have the time to kind of like sit there and get to know him and be with him on the day and the day out basis, your opinion is probably going to be just like everybody else's opinion that don't really know him. So, you know, I'm grateful to have had those moments with him and you know we've actually spent holidays together and um you know spent a lot of time together kind of picking his brain and um it's it's just a different psychosis that makes you great and he's one of those guys and um and he loves football yeah he loves it man just how he prepares how he comes to work you know a lot of people don't understand too is and i and i'll leave it with this you know

friendships and connections as far as who you respect at the professional level even really at the college level is based on how you come to work and what you what you do in the film room how you are on the field how you treat people around the building like that that's your value and uh if you're one of those guys that does it the right way and he is and how he leaves from the front in the building uh you're going to be best friends and if you're not, you know, he's going to find out real quick. You know, A-Rod is one of those guys. Like, he's not necessarily going to pull you aside.

Hey, man, I don't really like this. He's just not going to talk to you. You know what I mean? And, like, that's just what it is. Yeah, everybody's different. Yeah. Who's the biggest trash talker you line up against career and currently? A guy that, like, Max Crosby, he said he's like a radio announcer.

Like, he's just talking. Yeah. So, Dang. Max, Max does talk a lot, but Max backs it up a lot. So he could say whatever.

He's a dude. Yeah, he's a dude. And he's one of those guys. Whether it's Max Carl's, he, Miles Garrett, whenever I've gone

against those two guys, I know that the night, like the night before my body feels different. Why? Because I know that, like, come Sunday morning, I'm going to need all of what I have

in order to get my job done. And I, I think that's the beauty of competition in general. And if I don't feel that, then there may be an issue, and I have to, like, sometimes muster that up, right? And Max is one of those guys. Yeah. It's just different.

Yeah, it's just different. You just know that you're going to get – you're going to get a handful of every single play nonstop. This is what it is. Whether you block him, great. Just know that the next play, he's coming after you. But that's what I thrive off of. Like, that's, you don't have guys like that no more.

Like, Max is an old school guy. He is a raider from the 70s. You know what I mean? Like, he's just an old school guy. And, like, I think for me, that's what I appreciate more are guys that are that way. And you're going to have guys that talk a lot. But if you're not backing it up like that, then it becomes whatever, right? Like, you can watch the film and he jumps off the film every single place.

You know what you're getting, right? And, you know, those are the type of guys you respect every day. So, man, we only get you like twice a year. I know, man, I got to. You're busy. You have a life. Yeah, I got to stop by it more. Well, no, no, no.

It's not your responsibility. I'll just have to fire my guest booker. It's no big deal. So do you still live over by my favorite restaurant? Yeah, so I'm still over there. I'm actually now in Studio City, though. I moved down. I just wanted to try some little different.

It was, being in the casino was kind of far, you know, coming back this way. But I'm enjoying Studio City. and I'm there for now, so we'll see. Man, I love to see you with the Bears. Oh, man. Let's see what happens. I'm in the Burbs now, too. Yeah, no, they have my number.

I'm boring, but, you know. I like it. I like being just far enough away, but if I want to go get it, you know, I mean, it's LA, so maybe. Who's the biggest personality in the Bears? Like a funny guy. Every locker room's got a funny guy. I would say DJ Moore.

DJ is like, he's unassuming, too. like DJ is quiet at like face value, but like once you get to know him, it's pranks, jokes, like he's a dude. I love DJ. He's also a great player. No doubt.

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Yeah, we've been talking about this for a long time now. I know. And I got one more that I want to get. Get 20 and then. Wow. Let's get it, man. Not like you'd need it, but you're going to have quite a pension. I appreciate.

You know what's funny about that is like you don't really think about those things because you're literally in the grind. And then guys don't necessarily play for this long, so you don't really even. Yeah. But here's the wild thing. Yes, there'll be a pension there, but it's more so like some of the things you can't even have access to to your 45. I'll be 41 in May. Like who finishes playing?

And then like if I wanted to, it's like, oh, yeah, cool. Two or three years, I could just. You could be president. it. Like, isn't 42 the number on presidency? I think I just retire bears and run for off. Believe me, we can use lots of leadership in this country. Mercedes. Mercedes, great seeing you, buddy. Likewise. Appreciate you, brother. Appreciate it. Back in a second, the herd.

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Final 12 minutes off tomorrow and Friday. We're watching March Madness. You're watching March Madness. And I appreciate that. I talked to Mercedes-Louis for about eight minutes during the break. That guy is going to end up being a front office exec of some renown over the course of his career. Yeah, I saw the way you were gushing over him. That's how I act around Mark Sanchez, you know, former Jets quarterback.

And he's here. I'm always like, Sanchez, talk to me. Mercedes knows everybody in the league completely right temperament to be an executive. You know what I mean? Like he's just even. You don't get highs and lows. It's all matter. It's all common sense.

I think you told me you like that about me when I do in the show. I'm very even. No. I don't get high. If you get too high and never too low. Your game on the court is like your personality. A lot of gunning, not quite prepared. Let it rip and mostly successful.

But occasional airballs. Hey, like Yadis, you showed video of Yonnas throwing up airballs from the free throw line. I mean, he was one of the best players in the league. Or is he washed at 30? Yeah. All right. Let's end strong.

It's called Tomorrow's Headlines today. We head into March Madness. I can't wait for this. What is the headline for the first big upset? Okay, so they came to me. They were like, Jay Mack, let's do some upsets. Okay. Listen, it's tough.

It is. They're tough. Okay. You got to pick some, you got to lie down with some dogs and get some possible flees. So, Colin, I'm looking at Purdue and High Point. And I know you know a lot about High Point. Yeah. Anthers, very strong team.

The headline will be, per don't do drugs. Boilermakers get smoked by high point. Now, listen, Purdue obviously had a great season last year with Zach Eadie. Went all the way to the national championship, lost, obviously. There is some regression that they've struggled with this year. They have lost six of eight coming. into the tournament. And Colin, they've really got one guy, Braden Smith, who's awesome. There is a lot of chatter on the Purdue message boards. I have some friends who check it.

Braden Smith, they're talking, he may enter the portal and leave. So there is some potential upheaval in the program. I think High Point can take advantage. They're a good offensive team. Purdue's defense has just been just not good this year. They missed the rim protector, E.D. Listen, high points on only an eight-point dog, which seems like a small number, right, against Purdue. So I'm on a high point money line and with the points. I think they surprise Purdue. I like that. I like where we're going.

Tomorrow's headlines today. The second major upset. Now, these guys pulled a big upset last year. They took down Auburn. People were shocked. That ruined a lot of brackets. It was either on day one or day two. But the Yale...

Yes. Bulldogs, I think. Bulldogs, yes. They are playing a tough opponent. The headline will be Revenge of the Nerds. Yale closes book on Aggies. Wow. Texas A&M, now listen, this is an SEC team.

They have lost five of seven. One of the trends I look for is how are you playing heading into the tournament? That can be a predictor of success or failure. Texas A&M struggling a lot. And Colin, this Yale team matches up great. Texas A&M cannot shoot threes at all. 317th in the country. Yale's ninth.

Now, Yale would have to catch fire, but they're a great rebounding team. Texas A&M number one on the offensive glass. Again, this is one of these matchups where it's like, hey man, we played in the SEC. We're not afraid of anybody we can take on anything. Yale, man, this is a very good, smart, fundamentally sound, nerdy team, if you will. They shoot the three well. If they can hit the glass, I think Yale pulls the upset of Texas A&M. That is exciting.

Yeah, the Yalys have been Harvard football and Yale and Princeton basketball. From Ivy, Princeton has been pulled some big upsets. Princeton, Yale, unlike some other conferences, they actually show up in March. Well, if you can shoot the ball today and Yale can, BYU can, BYU can, shoot the ball, don't turn it over. You can play with teams. All right, tomorrow's headlines today. Now, the third tournament upset. Now, listen, I'm sure Seinfeld fans will remember.

I love the Drake. Remember that Drake's coffee cakes, obviously? And this Drake team is fun. They got a new coach that he brought in all these division two players from his old school, and it's like, ah, what's their story? They've been awesome this season. Can they keep it going? The headline will be Drizzie Drake.

Bulldogs turned tigers off at halftime. another SEC team I have going down Missouri. Listen, again, they've been a very good team this year. And I know, Jason, you're picking on the SEC. Well, they've got 14 teams. No, somebody, they're going to have a couple teams. Somebody's got to lose. And this Drake team, they've got a, they're a great story.

Now, I had Fran for Shilaw on my podcast. You know him from your other job. He knows the sport well, and he's like, Jason, just be careful, man. Drake overachieved all season. They got a bunch of D2 guys. No, Franz and Encyclopedia for this stuff. And, you know, they have overachieved to a point, but they got this point Gar, Bennett Sturtz.

He's a great story. The whole team. They took down Kansas State in a major shocker earlier this year. And again, everything has to go right to pull the upset. But Colin, you know the history of March Madness. These games start in the middle of the day often. They're in unfamiliar arenas. There's nobody there.

Nobody there. Midweek travel. And the underdogs can play that card. Like, hey, man, nobody believes in us. We're a bunch of Division II players. We're going to shock the world. And they pull the upset. I like Drake.

Yeah. Sometimes you get these big favorites playing in an empty arena. And they have no energy, no juice. tomorrow's headlines today how about the fourth upset? Now listen, I had hyped this last week and over the weekend they won their conference tournament and everybody got on board.

You have mocked me soundly multiple days since I talked about Michigan being in trouble against the UC San Diego Tritons. Look at the look on his face. America's like, oh, coward's sick of this. The headline will be. Mason blew it. Michigan sinks under Triton's tsunami.

Shoot. Hell of a headline. Listen, man, this team, if you just look at who plays the hardest in the country, I think they've got to be top five. I'm telling you, man, this team, a bunch of scrappy D2 and D3 players are emerging as, we can hang with these guys. Now, they play in a conference. UC Irvine's pretty good.

They took them down. Michigan does have two seven footers, Colin, which makes me a little bit. Michigan is big. But big doesn't win in March. What wins in March? Guard play. You know this. You follow forever.

And I'm just telling you, this team. You just look at how they shoot it. They're unafraid to just let her rip from deep. Great three-point shooting team. They play the no-middle defense. Again, I know you coach your kids in sports probably a little bit. You might have been two-fings. Yeah, I know the no middle defense.

You just pack it in. No layups. We'll give you all the shots you want. And Michigan does not shoot it well. Remember, they needed a buzzer shot by the kid. No, I watched Michigan-Michigan State well. Those are not teams that shoot the three. They just don't shoot the three well.

They want to go one-on-one ISO off the drips. I like UC San Diego. Lines coming my way. It's a popular pick. maybe too popular at this point, but I'm pot committed. By the way, this is not a headline. Oklahoma or Yukon, who are you taking? I got Oklahoma.

So do I. Yeah. Tomorrow's headlines. We have four upsets. How about a for sure? Yeah. Headlines. So, you know, we got the Big Calcutta tonight.

I've been told by our team. We cannot talk, Jason, don't talk about it on air. We don't need to put anything out there. But we all agree. Everybody knows. Duke's the best team in the country, Colin. The headline will be. Duke mom, no hands.

Blue Devils cruise to Final Four. Colin, I've gone through the bracket all week. I don't see who's touching dude. They're very young. In this bracket, I know, but. Arizona. You know, we're in an NIL era, right? Where you've got 24, 25-year-old kids against Cooper Flagg.

Yes. Cooper Flagg played against Auburn, beat him now. It wasn't home. They faced Illinois. They smoked them by 30. They've played a lot of top competition. I know the ACC's down. But again, net rating, one of these stats that measures basically everything,

says Duke is the best team in college. basketball in the last 20 years, according to stats. They got a big dude who patrols the middle. And I swear this is silly. But to me, he looks like Joelle and Bede defensively. It's like, you're not scoring on me. They got size. They got shooters.

The kid Proctor's awesome. And when Cooper Flagg comes back, my daughter actually texted me, Dad, is the Duke player injured? Because all like the boys in her sixth grade class are asking. So, hey, what does your dad think about Duke and Cooper Flag? Guys, I'm just telling you. Cooper Flag is can't miss. and you know I don't like that can't miss

label. He's Jason Tatum. He does everything well. He may not be amazing at one thing. He is B plus A minus at every part of the game. If he goes to the Bulls or the Wizards or whatever, he's going to be a 20 and 8 guys a rookie. I'm not kidding. He's that good. Yeah. And he could do pretty much everything, handle, defense.

John Shire has done a very good job. Generally, when the legend retires, and they hire somebody connected to the program, it almost never works. Usually, yeah. And Shire has been, now he's a unbelievable recruiter, and Duke's got a lot of money for NIL.

But when you watch Duke play, it's like JJ Reddick with the Lakers, you can see what they're trying to do. They're a well-coached team. Imprint is on the program. So the last couple, the last two losses that they had that were tough were to Tennessee in the tournament.

They kind of got punked by Tennessee a few years ago. And then last year, NC State just bodied them inside. I don't think that happens this year with the size they have. The only team that could is Alabama, and they don't play great defense. So, Colin, I'm looking up and down the bracket. I'm sorry, Wisconsin.

They're not meeting Duke in the elite eight. So who is it? Your Arizona Wildcats? Yes, a lot of veteran point guard. You like them. You like the chucker they got in the back court from UNC. I just don't see Duke getting touched. Now, Duke Houston and the Final Four, or Duke Tennessee, that's a hell of a game.

But if you're asking me for a lot for the Final Four, I think it's got to be Duke. Okay, so we talked about something earlier. I want to readdress this. So I said before, one of the things I look at is when your quarterback is ripped, I'm looking for a fluid athlete to play quarterback. You get bent in multiple directions. So Jalen Milro looks like, you know, I mean, he's built like a bodybuilder. He's great. And he's a great kid with a great reputation, a remarkable family.

People love him. But he can be a bit mechanical, which was my knock on Will Levis. He's not fluid. It looks mechanical. Lamar Jackson is in Mahomes. I mean, just it's easy. You know, Aaron Rogers flipping off his back foot. There's nothing mechanical about Aaron or Lamar or Mahomes.

Burrough, similarly. He's just moving. Can angle arm it? Can do anything. So just give you an example. I'm going to show you some quarterbacks who were, you know, poster guys, like great-looking guys, ripped. Shizzled.

This is not, do we have the shot of this? This is generally, okay, these guys are ripped. Now, they're good-looking dudes. I'm not saying that. These are like underwear-modeled guys. You know what I don't see a lot of there? I don't see a lot of Super Bowl trophies. This is what I want my quarterback to look like.

Let's go to what I want my quarterback to look like. Oh, yeah. Lot of Lombardi trophies. Eli, Tommy. Eli, man, he doesn't have a six-pack. He's got a keg there. By the way, these guys, they got a little bit of pudding. That pudding takes the hits on Sunday.

So I'm just saying, I don't know Josh Allen was so out of shape. You're not out of shape. It's the off-season. He's probably got a couple of Bud lights in there. He's having a good time. Okay. Doesn't mean he's out of shape. You want to go to the beach with the Super Bowl winners so you look better.

You don't want to stand next to Cam Newton. the beach it's really listen cam newton you know he could do modeling right like i i get that i'm just saying i i said before the draft will levis to me was two cut 12 super bowls with the dad bonds how many for the uh not many the shredded guys the shredded cam did go to a super bowl but uh refused to jump on great he had some great years he was MVP a couple couple yeah i'm not dan prescott was on that list Listen, you want 12 packs, I want 12 Lombardies. That's the difference. That's okay.

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