The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - More on Caleb Williams

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Fox NFL analyst Mark Sanchez stops by The Herd to talk about Caleb Williams recent comments, the Bears offense, the Browns QB room , what needs to be done at training camp, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for The Herd at Fox SportsRadio.com, or stream us live every day on the IHeart radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Mark Sanchez, the offseason, is over. Mark Sanchez, pulling up a chair for us, and he is joining us live. So let's just start. He'll be calling games, NFL games, this fall on Fox. And I want to start with the Caleb thing.

He didn't have a good practice yesterday, whatever, it happens. he did go out and he publicly stated, Mark, hey, I'm going to throw, I want to throw for this many yards, and I want to complete this many passes. What did you make of that? I didn't love it. Think of it this way. The toothpaste is kind of out of the tube, and it's really hard to put it back in.

What politician comes up and says, hey, I'm going to cut inflation by this percent, by this date, Nobody does that. They just say, hey, we're going to attack inflation and bring it down. Right. So saying, I'm going to work on my completion percentage, hey, I got to get rid of the ball sooner and avoid some of those sacks. I could pick up a couple free completions by checking the ball down sooner to eliminate some of those sacks.

That's just generally kind of what you want to hear. But now there's this benchmark out there. And every game he doesn't throw for 70% in that market, you know, people are going to say, well, then it's a failure. Think of it this way. There's 32 NFL teams. The Eagles won the Super Bowl last year. 31 teams had a failed season. So if that's the goal and you publicly state the goal, it makes it really hard when you don't achieve those numbers. So I don't love that it came out publicly. I don't think he was, you know, I think he was just kind of talking and it's one of those things as you mature in the league and stuff you don't have to

put specific benchmark you know notable numbers on paper and out there for people like us to talk about and then eventually judge you by so uh i remember doing that with brian schottenheimer though we'd say you know you want to throw for around 3,500 yards you want to be right at about 30 touchdowns would be awesome and 10 or less interceptions would be a really, really good year. That's, those are kind of benchmark numbers that we'd like to hit. But if we're going to say you got to throw for 4,000 yards and you got to be 70% completions, well then in practice, you've got to be completing, I don't know, 90% of your passes. And, you know, look at Burrow last year.

He threw for 4,900, he threw for almost 5,000 yards and missed the playoffs. so Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl and he didn't even throw for 3,000. So it's not necessarily that specific number, whether it's yards or completion percentage. I just wish for his sake he didn't publicly state that. You know, coaches are different. There are, McVeigh is very positive. He's a very uplifting personality. I think Matt LaFleur has got some of that.

I think Sean Payton can bark a little bit. Andy Reeves don't in practice. Sean can be tough. He called out Russell Wilson. There was a conflict of personalities, not just offense. Ben Johnson is pretty curt. He's pretty bottom line. And I go back to your career.

Did you ever have a coach that was pretty bottom line and did it play in your head? Was it difficult, Mark? Well, I think whether as Coach Sarkesian, being around John Gruden for the time I was around him for a little bit, You need to be tested and it's not scripted, but there will be times during training camp. This is the time of year to create scenarios that are very difficult for your quarterback. And you want him to experience that, feel all the emotions associated with that either embarrassment or, you know, the nerves.

The guys are looking at me. coaches are screaming at me okay well now what who are you in that moment because there's going to be 70 000 people in the crowd millions of people watching uh you know 11 guys trying to rip your head off on the other team you got 10 guys in your huddle that you got to get on the right page lined up correctly know all their assignments understand what's happening with a play clock with a scenario with a situation and nothing happens till you hike the ball so you say said hut. So I think the coaches at this time of year try to manufacture some of those scenarios and generate some of those emotions to make sure your quarterback is dialed. And it sounds like

you know, Ben Johnson, from the people I've talked to, I don't know him personally, but he doesn't have the longest fuse, right? He's a short fuse guy. And if you don't show up, you know, with the right clothes on at the right time, like there's no excuse. Like there's a level of efficacy that you have to show up with. And if you don't, get out of here. And if you can't call the play, if you can't get lined up,

if you can't get guys realigned when they screw up, you can't play for me. So you got to go. Case Keenham, get in here, coming and play. Now, does that mean Caleb's never going to play again? Of course not. But it's just one of those reminders. that, hey, dude, there's a new sheriff in town.

We got standards here, and they've been raised. So meet the standard or get the hell out of my face, basically. And some of that, I think, is good in doses. I think it's good. All the time? Probably not. So I've said I worry that Joe Burrow could become Matt Stafford. Gifted, but upstairs executive suite ownership is not helping them.

I look at a former Trojan Carson Palmer, had the Bengals, the Raiders in Arizona. when he got Bruce Ariens for a few years, the guy had 70 touchdown passes. We think of the quarterback's the most important, but he needs a left tackle, he needs the right coach, and good ownership matters. And I think in the last year, Mark, I've seen Joe Burrow be frustrated at the podium like a half a dozen times, frustrated with his organization. And, I mean, you were in a situation where there was some stuff upstairs with the Jets, let's just be totally honest that aren't ideal.

Can that wear on a player, especially a quarterback, in the face of the franchise? I thought Burrell last year, I'm like, wow, he is frustrated. And I don't think it's with teammates. I think it's upstairs. Does that stuff weigh on players? I think players who have a pretty good scope of the bigger picture

and the longer I played, the more I understood, just like anything, more experience, gives you more knowledge. it's hard enough to get a first down on third and six to orchestrate a 15 play drive, convert multiple third downs, throw a touchdown pass. I mean, those things are really hard. You train six days and multiple days in the off season just to get one drive right. So if that's hard, why do we add more stuff to our plate?

like this dude, Trey Hendrickson has outperformed all these guys. Whether it's Max Crosby, Danil Hunter, Miles Garrett, all these guys getting contracts, and it's like, why is he not here? Why do I even have to talk about this?

You know, as a quarterback, a lot like, you know, the president, once again, this analogy, but you get briefed on stuff that's going on and what you're about to face at the podium. And most of the time, you're falling on the sword,

you're trying to put out fires you're uh you know killing the media with cliches but at a certain point it just gets old and annoying and frustrating and it's like can we just talk about football like let's just let's just get the guys here that are on the team that should be here the really good players we try not to let them leave let's go play some ball you know and everybody at this point of the year is ready for that you know nobody wants to do the interviews talking about hey what about the guy holding out. Now, we had that happen with Dorel Rivas. And people understood there's a business side to it. And then there's the teammate side, you know, trying to win games, shared struggle, all that. We understood. We weren't worried about Dorel Rivas. I don't think they're

worried about Trey Henderson. But it just gets annoying talking about stuff like that. So, you know, it's the same, the same team that, you know, Carson Palmer retired from football. He literally said one of the best players to ever play just decided, hey, no, I'm not going back there. So I think it's, you know, they're trying their best with the head coaching quarterback to change some of that culture, and it's not always easy. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific

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football. Aaron's getting older. I saw a stat the other day. Quarterbacks over 40 of won 12 playoff games. Brady's 110. So take him out. He's the outlier. It just gets tougher. And we were talking about this earlier with J-Mac. The season's now 17 games. It's longer. It's harder. And was your body better earlier late? Like with Aaron. Like go back to your last year.

Did it take you a while? Like when did you feel your best? Preseason or week 15? I think as you age, you kind of find your rhythm. And unfortunately, I feel like the warm up and the cool down take longer than the workout. That's when you know you're a little bit older. Because you see some of those guys walk out to the field, like some younger quarterbacks or whatever, and they just kind of hit one of these and, okay, I'm good, let's go. And you're like, what the hell?

Oh, how is this guy ready to play? I got 20 more minutes. Just to stretch. I got to get the band going. I got to activate all this stuff. So you get into your own routine and you start to fill your body. Same thing with the off-season program. Some guys, you know, the day after their season ends,

they take one day off and then start working out again. You know, that works for some guys, not for everybody. And it's not going to work like that forever. So a guy like Aaron, at this point, you know, know, it's more of checking the boxes, making sure I've hit all the things I needed to hit along the way. I've got the reps in. I've got the throws in.

I know what I'm prepared to do and just give me the ball. Let's go. Tell me when the game is. Like, I'm ready. So it takes longer, I think, like day by day. But the big picture, the big scope of understanding how to ramp up and crescendo right into the season and make sure you can last. Those guys, I mean, somebody like Aaron, he's got it down pat. Finally, I'm kind of rooting for Sador Sanders because I just think it's a fascinating story.

Do camp statistics matter for a quarterback? Now, you're going against backups, but you're often throwing to backups. If a guy goes 11 for 12 in camp, what does it mean? Like, what do you as a guy who played in this league for a decade. What do you look for from Cam Ward or Dylan Gabriel or a young quote? What do you look at and go, oh, that's real? I can put my stamp that that's real or is anything? At this point, you know, I know it's become common for people at practice to chart, you know, seven on seven, the guy was seven for ten.

He was eight for ten, whatever. Yes, it matters. Right? You want to complete the ball. You don't want to go over 10. Right. In 7 on, that's pretty embarrassing. In 7 on 7, you know, you got to be hit in 80% of your passes. I mean, there's no rush. You're getting the ball out on time. That's just kind of, that's like, if we're not there, there's a problem. And you could tell practice doesn't feel right. For these young guys, they are, they're trying to learn what success feels like. like they're trying to understand that it's okay to miss the throw and bounce right back to the next play um sure the statistics matter i think the bigger statistic is the four quarterbacks they got in that room if anybody goes down in august september they got they got capital they got quarterback capital right there that can potentially go somewhere and play so uh i look at that room is, you know, those four guys might not finish the season there. And, you know, I don't

think it has anything to do with injury. I think they might send somebody somewhere and get a couple picks for next year. Yeah. So the better you perform, the better you're doing on tape, yes, of course, you want to stack completions, stack good practices and learn what that feels like. But I don't think preseason, especially the way it's structured now, is a true indicator of your success during the regular season. It's not everything. It's something. It's not everything.

I know that's one of your phrases. But yeah, if he's missing every throw, I think there'd be a problem. If he's completing every throw, that's great. Let's just keep it up. So I think you're right. Because of his name, because of the story, it's interesting, but, you know, stats aren't the only indicator of success, but that's kind of the battle he's fighting right now. Marks, great stuff.

Games are right around the corner. In fact, I think next Thursday is the Hall of Fame game, if I remember. Let's go. Let's go. Good to see you, buddy. Appreciate it. You bet. The saying I've always believed in, everything is something.

Nothing is everything. So it doesn't matter if you're in my business, you're in law, you're recruiting for technology during an interview. Everything is a tell. Everything's a little something, but nothing's everything. People have had bad interviews and ended up being great employees. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. You know, it's funny, the staff comes to me with all these stories, and they just happen to be about teams you love. Let's start with the New England Patriots, Colin. You are extremely bullish on this squad. Well, second year quarterback, Drake May said something interesting about this year's camp and his teammates. Take a listen. I think you've got guys around here that are tired of losing around here and the guys that want to win. I think that's what excites me most.

We guys want to win around here. I think the past two or three years around here and the past year for me, I can only speak for myself. But I think there's guys around here that are tired of losing and want to win. Tired of losing. I hear Patriots, I was like, oh, two decades of dynasty action with Belichick. I mean, Drake, that's how young he is coming. We're tired of losing around here. It's been like two years.

Well, you know, Drake May's sort of been lost. So Bo Nick made the playoffs. Everybody's like, wow. Jaden Daniels was great. Wow. J.J. McCarthy, we don't know. Caleb misfired. I think, I'm not sure if people paid attention.

Ryan, look at his numbers last year. I thought Drake May. He kind of got lost on a bad team. And he was overshadowed by how great Jaden Daniels was and Bo Nix. Both those guys put up very good numbers. In fact, Bo's numbers in terms of total yards, completions, touchdowns was better than Jayden Daniels. And I didn't sit and watch every second of every Patriot game.

He made a leap last year. He was pretty interesting late in the year, pretty good player. Well, remember, the coach just did some buffoonery where he was like, yeah, the best quarterback starting, and he didn't start Drake May. Remember at the beginning of the season? Then May comes in like midway through and is like, oh, this guy's really good.

good and then they fire the coach so he's kind of starting over i mean i don't think this is that out of a take like bow nix is talented drake may has way more talent and is going to be a better quote i think he's a higher ceiling oh without question like nix is off to a good start he's got sean peyton you know let's see what may does uh with the patriots feels like they'll be flirting with 500 this season uh or thereabouts uh next up let's go back to college football arch manning and texas people are fired up, obviously the Texas Ohio State game to start the season. But interestingly, Mack Brown, the former Texas head coach, you know, obviously ended up at North Carolina. He's seen some NFL quarterbacks, but this is an interesting comp for Arch Manning from

Mack Brown. He's very humble. He said it's too much has been written about me, more than I've accomplished. I mean, he is, he's kind of self-deprecate. He's kind of self-deprecate. but I like it. He's a whole lot like Vince at the same age. I was so impressed with him at Media Day. Steve Sparrier said if he'd been that good, he would have started over Quinn yours,

and they asked him about it, and he said, oh, Coach Sparrier's a great coach. Next question. He's right about that. Well, I think one of the things that's really impressive about him is that I think he's more talented than Quinn yours, and he didn't transfer, and he never talked about it.

There is something to be, about everybody's great in life when they get their own way. How does dad act at the Little League game when your kid strikes out in a bad call? How do you act when things don't go your way? That's maturity. Everybody's a great guy when they get what they want in a business deal. And Archmanning didn't get his way last year. He sat behind the guy who was more talented.

No complaining, no transferring, no leveraging, just said all the right stuff. That's told me so much about him before he ever takes a snap. Self-awareness, IQ, EQ is through the roof like the rest of the main, Manning family. I just wonder, I mean, Vince Young had one of the great college football seasons in the history of the sport. Yeah. He's a legend in Austin will be forever. That's a little high for Arch Manning. Is it not?

Like, hey, it reminds me of Vince Young, the greatest ever in Texas college football history, right? Is that fair to say? I mean, Vince Young? Well, they were stylistically two totally different players. I mean, Vince was much more dangerous running. I mean, Vince is the best high school football tape I've ever seen in my life. Vince Young's high school football tape, it looked like he was a 28-year-old NFL player against 17-year-olds. They just different.

But I never trusted Vince from the pocket, but when he would take off, lights out. Whereas I think Arch can move, but he'll be more of a guy that sits and distributes. All right, Colin, let's go to the final story, and that is back to the NFL. More Bo Nix chatter. His coach, Sean Payton, told the media that Knicks sought out another quarterback this offseason that Sean Payton is familiar with. Take a listen. He's someone that works his tail off, wants to improve, you know, the whole off season is planned out.

You know, he's gone and visited Breeze for four or five days, and that's Tom House in here. And there's a lot that he wants to absorb in a fast period of time. And that's a great thing for a young player like that. Yeah, you don't have to prod him. He just doesn't. It sounds very much like me in sports. Anyways, we got a chart here, Colin. Are you ready for this?

Our staff found first year under Peyton, look at Bo Nix and Drew Brees, Drew Brees with the Saints. Look at how identical those numbers are. That's scary how similar Bo Nix was last year to Drew Brees' first year with the Saints in 2006. I'm not, you know, we always thought that Nix didn't have the highest ceiling. I mean, we didn't think that for Drew Brees,

although you and I were not together in 2006 doing a show. Breeze ended up being like an, an ultimate. time. Great. He's all over the record books. Yeah. No, I mean, I think, I think the comp is accurate. I think Breeze is a more naturally accurate thrower. I think Bo Nix is a, he is really athletic. I think Bo, I mean, they're about the same size. They're both accurate, though Breeze arguably is the most accurate quarterback I've seen. I think they play a lot alike. I think early Breeze was more mobile

than late Breeze. Neither one have huge arms, but both can make all the throws. Yeah, I mean, I think, that's why I said before the draft, Bo Nix to Sean Payton is the draft spot. Like, it just

works. I learned my lesson last year betting against Bo Nix a bunch. Didn't go great for me when I won against Bo Nix in Denver. Yeah. They have to create a more functional run game and that's why they went. A lot of people criticize their second round pick was Harvey, the kid, the running back, and people thought it was a little overdrafted.

But I'm always kind of, anytime you give a young quarterback, a running back, if you're going to reach on something, I think that's the position. So, no, I mean, I think every year that Sean Payton has been there, the roster's gotten better. So we saw Bow Nix with an income. that they were still rebuilding the team. I think Mims will be better in year two. He'll be more dependable and more consistent. So I think that if you told me, I mean, honestly,

if there's a team in the league that won 12 or 13 games and you were like, that's kind of surprising, it wouldn't shock me with Denver. I mean, I think they have that kind of, I mean, you go look at last year. They were an incomplete team last year. Now, there's nothing they're really not capable of. They don't have a weakness.

The dead cap money from Russell, Wilson, but 12 or 13 in that division, that would shock me. 12 or 13 wins? 12 and 5, possible. Wow. No. Possible. J-Mack with the news.

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realignment watch sources say North Carolina is among the schools exploring a move from the ACC, which is dreadful to the SEC as their likely target. Under Chancellor Lee Roberts and their incoming AD, the Tar Heels are leading the pack along with Clemson. If I was the SEC, I would want Clemson and North Carolina. Clemson's a football power. Carolina's basketball.

It's a huge brand. So we're going. This is what's happening, folks. Clemson and Carolina are moving to the SEC. Florida states probably still complaining about something. And I just think you get the basketball program of North Carolina and the brand. And I think Clemson's a rock solid. Clemson feels like an SEC program, to be honest with you.

So, and I think Notre Dame is eventually going to move from the ACC, they're going to break that deal and they're going to go to the Big Ten. That's my take. Remember, Oregon and Washington initially weren't in the Big Ten. Remember, the Big Ten took USC and UCLA, and they get full benefits. Washington and Oregon get like half benefits for several years. So, you know, somebody always gets left out. You know, when, you know, Nebraska went to the Big Ten and Kansas. got left out because at the time all they had was basketball, their football stunk, but now they

have a pretty good coach. Somebody always gets left out. I always, I honestly feel bad. I always have for Utah, because I think Utah's got a really good football program and really good facilities and really good boosters. I've been to half a dozen Utah games over the course of my life. It's a great environment, great fans. But, you know, the Big 12's got, you know, it's, it's, the Big 12 is much better than the ACC. ACC is Clemson and everybody else. So, And I think it's fair to say that when Belichick was interviewing for this job, they probably laid out their vision, and it was getting out of the ACC. The ACC is a wonderful academic conference, but if you take Carolina and Clemson out,

you know, the football infrastructure feels pretty weak. So this is really what we're getting in college football. We're getting like the AFC and the NFC in pro football. Well, that's what we're doing here. We're going to have, I mean, each SEC school gets 51 million in RevShare. And ACC school gets 45. And the difference is the SEC is going to grow faster as you bring the new schools in. So, you know, you can say, well, what about Miami?

Miami hasn't won a natty in 24 years. They've got one massive booster. It's a sexy program, but they're, you know, they don't know, they don't bring, let's be honest about Miami. nobody goes to their football games they're lousy in attendance you know it's just Carolina's a bigger brand Miami's got one really wealthy

booster Mr. Ruiz who you know it's put a lot of money into it but now meanwhile I think Sark I think Nick Saban is going from college

to the NFL because there's so much fluidity and so much movement the portal, NIL, changing conferences. I asked Sark earlier today, whose friends with Sabin, I said, what do you make of the discussion of Saban going to the NFL? You already have them in Cleveland. I heard you yesterday.

You already have him in Cleveland. He's coaching Arch. I only have Arch for one year. Shoot, I thought I was going to have him for two. I think he feels really comfortable to me. You know, he's really good on TV. I think he enjoys what he gets to do. He's playing a ton of golf, which he loves doing.

I'm sure, you know, Miss Terry loves having him at home. So I know he's one of, if not the most competitive person I've ever been around. So I'm sure those competitive juices get flowing pretty good. But, man, he looks like he's having a lot of fun doing television. He looks relaxed. And he's great for our sport. You know, I know people are our love tuned in to hear his insight on all the stuff. So we have two major changes happening.

in our American sports landscape. The Live Tour and the PGA Tour. People complain about it, but I will say, you know, I watch Bryson DeShambo at the Open, you know, he took the Live money, he's still in big tournaments. And Rory McElroy, I watched them win at Augusta. That's as much fun as I've had watching a golf tournament. So, you know, everybody complained about the Live Tour and the PGA,

and I do wish they'd kind of get back together. I think they're, I mean, I watch Liv, I watch the PGA, I watch the Masters and, you know, the Open, and U.S. Open. I mean, you know, everybody does. So, and then we have this big change in college football, where we disbanded basically the Pact 12 conference, the one I grew up with.

I didn't love it, but I had talked about that with friends for years. I'm like, nobody's going to the games. Phil Knight's running the conference. The USC was complaining privately about not making any more money than Washington State and Oregon State. And in the end, this is just the reality. Follow the money.

The Live Tour, PGA, follow the money. Had the PGA for years treated their great golfers better, maybe they don't go to the live tour. But they did. They're still there. I still like watching them. And in college football, we're going to have two major conferences. And they're eventually, and I think they should, if you have a 12-team playoff, you know, I want, I want, you know, seven or eight of the teams to come from the Big Ten and the SEC. You know, we always talk ourselves in the college football. football, the parody, you've got to get the Indiana Hoosiers into the, you've got to get them into the playoff. And then we watched that game. And after about like two series, you're like, yeah, they can't really compete with Notre Dame. So I think that's, that's going to be the real tug of war is when the Big Ten and the SEC, as they're going into Monster conferences, how many automatic bids do they get? So I've never bought into this. Hawaii deserves to be in the Sugar Bowl. Yeah, I watched them play Georgia. They got boat raced. We all know. We all know.

if you're not a top 12 recruiting machine in college football, you have no chance to win the national championship. You can go look at the last 20 national champions. There may only be one that wasn't a top 10 to 12 recruiting power. That's why Clemson, I think, is really good this year, but they've said no thanks to the portal and the NIL, and I think it's hard. And there's just too many good players in the portal that can make you better at weaknesses very quickly.

If Ohio State's doing it, you know, if Notre Dame and George is doing it, I'd be doing it too. Clemson's not. So the story is Clemson and Carolina could be going to the SEC. I completely believe those stories. And I think Notre Dame will eventually go to the Big Ten. I mean, you really think Cal is going to stay in the ACC? Does that feel like a natural? I mean, some of those things just aren't, they're just not going to last very long.

Yeah, I think that's a great point. like how does the Big Ten counter the SEC potentially adding Clemson or North Carolina, and I think they go after Notre Dame. That's the logical move, right? I mean, Notre Dame fits a Big Ten academically, athletically. It's just a seamless fit. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Notre Dame fits the Big Ten.

And Notre Dame has always been sort of, we're going to do our own thing. Okay, we'll play a partial schedule with the ACC. ACC now is second tier, and Notre Dame doesn't want to be second tier with anything. But if Carolina and Clemson leave, it's Duke basketball and a couple Notre Dame games. I mean, big Notre Dame and Clemson just signed a 12-year contract to play a bunch of times. We'll see how that works out. All right. We'll see you tomorrow.

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