The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - More on the NCAA Tournament

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

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Watch at Robert Morris. Keep it close here with Al-Whorst. Alabama. Bobby Moe is we're in the same league. He's the head coach of Green Bay. Robert Morris won our league and won our conference tournament championship as well. And they're giving Alabama a heck of a game. Baylor up eight on Mississippi State and Iowa State up 12 on Lipscomb. Lipscomb is just another school in Nashville. Nashville has Belmont.

Lipscomb, and of course, Vanderbilt. Meanwhile, Alabama is up 49, 44 on Robert Morris, the Colonials. The Colonials. Last night, if you're watching, Arkansas came from behind. They had a lead, and Kansas came back, had a lead of their own, and Arkansas ends up taking down Kansas. The Jayhawks lose the first round since, I think it was like 2006. It was the first time they lost in the last time they lost in the first round.

you know, it's always interesting on people's, for a long time, they would, you know, talked about Bill Self and losing early in the tournament, like, that's been nearly 20 years. And this was a weird bunch, right? Seven Seed, even though he had a couple fifth year seniors, they end up losing to John Calipari. And I do get it. I heard we were running a promo where Ben Mallor, who of course does our overnights at Fox Sports, Fredio said, you know, he thinks that Kansas should make a change at coach. And I mean, I think it's hysterical.

Respectfully, yeah, Ben, that that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life. Now, if Bill decides, hey, man, I don't want to do it anymore, I'm just, I'm kind of fried. I need a break. Well, by all means. But, yeah, it's like four years ago, he won national championship. They won, I don't know, it was 12, 13, big 12. titles in a row.

Yeah, no. Game hasn't passed him by. Games changed. You know, roster composition's changed. Now, I'm of the belief that it just,

you know, takes guys in a while a year to figure it out. Because yesterday, he was thrown out a team at times that had four transfers on the court. Four. Four. And, you know,

for you can tell me all you want about about how much they paid but if we just use the NFL as our guide NFL is our guide the hit rate on free agents in the NFL is 33 percent so if in the national football league where they do a great job of scouting right in league I mean in in the actual league remember like like the hit rate for free agents is 33 percent hit rate for first round draft picks is 50 percent Now that's to the level of expectation based upon where they're drafted, to the level of expectation based upon where they're signed as a free agent. But the point is that think about those numbers now translated to college basketball.

Or you can watch a, Zeke Mayo, you can watch a, you know, pick a player on their team and sit there and go like, man, he was so good at South Dakota State or he was so good at Wisconsin. He was so good at Northern Illinois. Why is he? Well, it's a higher level of competition. and you're playing for a coach that has a different level of expectation, the different way of playing. We started the show by telling you,

like the ways in which both of these men became Hall of Fame coaches, well, nobody does that. People don't do that anymore. They just don't. They don't do it anymore. What they don't do is they don't, you can't do a team of freshmen the way that John Cala Perry did when he was the head coach of Kentucky.

You'd say, well, Duke's got to be. freshman. First, I mean, they have a unicorn. Right? An absolute unicorn in Cooper Flag. But the other part to it is not all of Duke's lineup is freshman. You know?

Yes, they have three absolute star freshmen. They do. They absolutely do. But their entire lineup is not. And their best players, their best player is, but they won the ACC championship game without them.

you know, without him. Tyrese Proctor is a junior. He started for three years. He's their point guard. Is he great? No. Has he lived up to a one-and-done expectation? No.

Is he really good? Hell yeah. Caleb Foster is a sophomore. He played high school basketball in Southern California. He's played a lot of hoop. I mean, heck, you even look kind of like further down. Mason Gillis only plays 15 minutes to game for him, but he's 24 years old.

he played at Purdue for a national championship last year. So it doesn't mean that their whole team is made up a freshman. Zion James, senior, right? He's been around the block a couple times. But the way in which Cal did it previously, he can't be done anymore. You can't be done anymore. One, he doesn't have the market cornered on the best of the best. Two, too many of those freshmen are just too young.

and you're playing against 24, 24, 5-year-old guys. And for Bill Self, yeah, he's always had a pro or two, but he's also had program guys that have been there for in five years. Maybe he takes a transfer and a McDonald's All-American, but he doesn't have all transfers and a McDonald's All-American play. So the point is that when the, when, the sport or when your business changes, some are quick to adapt.

But the idea that guys that have been doing it for 30 years can adapt, I think is laughable. Not everybody can. You know, it's probably one of the reasons that so many of these older coaches retire. We'll see what happens with Tom Izzo at the end of the year. You know, Tom Izzo has tried to adapt. Now, he hasn't adapted by taking a lot of training. transfers, but he's adapted by trying to keep players and build from within, much the way that

Purdue has, and they nearly won national championship. Much the way that UCLA did a couple years ago when they were so successful. You know, two years ago, UCLA, everyone in their program had started in UCLA's program. And then last year, they had a down year. This year they went out and went into the portal, kept a couple of guys, but then went out and rebuilt it to the portal. So you have to learn an agenda. just, but the idea that here's two guys that have been doing a long time make a lot of money,

Hall of Fame coaches can't figure it out, eventually they will. And if they don't feel comfortable doing it, they'll retire. They'll step aside. But the idea that they get, like, you know, Firebill self because they had a disappointing Big 12th season and a disappointing early exit in the NCAA tournament, to me seems laughable. Now, if he was a guy that had his head in the sand said, we're not doing it. way we're not paying guys, we're not doing, like, okay, but that's, that's clearly not going to work. That's not what he said, and that's not what he's going to do.

But coaching changed and coaching different shorts of players and managing players with agents is just different. Have they always had runners? Yeah. Some of the guys have always had runners. Has there always been more to coaching than just Xing and Oing? Of course there is. Of course. But you have to remember that in an end of the guys.

NFL, the free agent hit rate is 33%. Why should we think that the rate's any different in the free agency world of college basketball? And if a bad year is a seven seed and a first round exit, and an average year is a Big 12 championship, and a great year is a Final Four in a national championship, I'm going to go with that guy. But it's not for everybody, and just like anybody's business. What changed it? It's not one factor. you guys have read tipping point, right?

Music, I know you've read tipping point. And everyone comes in with the perception that tipping point is about one singular factor that causes something to tip. But that's not really when you read the book. It's not really what it's about. It's about a couple of different factors. And what changed college athletics

wasn't just NIL, wasn't just the portal. It's also COVID. Because it's extended the careers of so many players. Like Wisconsin's guy, John Tonji, he's a fifth year senior. Ask any basketball player, like if after their senior year was done, it's like, hey, you come back and play one more year. Do you know how slow and how easy the game would become?

Colorado State has a key. Colorado State right now is beating Memphis. Colorado State's best player, okay, is Neke Clifford. Neke Clifford played his first three years at Colorado. He's played his last two years at Colorado State. He's from Colorado Springs. So, yeah, in his fifth year, after doing it for four other years, he's incredible. He's kind of figured it out.

Now, not every guy figures it out that way. Hunter Dickinson couldn't really figure it out at Kansas. Didn't seem like he ever really evolved as a player. But there's lots of guys who are getting those opportunities, and it also makes it very difficult to get or even keep younger players. Because even if you do get a freshman and you do play him, he's going to want a bigger role. And you know if you play him in a bigger role,

you're probably not going to win. Sports changed. Evolution is here. It's not one point. It's multiple points. And the older coaches, sometimes they'll struggle. But my guess is, they figure it out.

They figured out. Coming up next in The Herd. Oh, by the way, I thought this might help you. Here's Grant McCaslin, who's head coach of Texas Tech. He joined us earlier in the day when we asked him about the changing world to college hoops. We needed it. And so whether anybody likes it or not, it feels like this is just what should have happened at a more rapid pace over time.

And we held on to something that wasn't sustainable until it broke. And then it just kind of broke everybody in a fashion that feels like it's separated. you know, a lot of people quickly. And I do know, and you know this, and I'm thankful that I've been turning over rosters and teams and that experience of doing that and not having the continuity gives you a different confidence level of what it is that you're looking for in a short amount of time.

And I just think that's extremely different than, hey, we're going to get this guy and he's going to be with us for four years. And that mentality over time is helpful in some sense. but it just wasn't my story and our story. I mean, I was a part of rosters and I took, you know, junior college to Division 2 and then was at Arkansas State. Then one year later, I was at North Texas, and then we revamped that roster and flipped it in two years and had transfers every year.

So I will tell you, the biggest thing for me is really trying to find the quality of a guy that you want to be around every day that you feel like believes in winning. And I know that sounds easy, but it really is not. It's unique to every team of finding that. And I think the obsession with finding guys that really want to win in a climate where everything's changing quickly is probably the most valuable that you can find. That was Grant McCaslin, head coach is Texas Tech. He joined us earlier on in The Hurt. Coming up next here on Fox Sports Radio, are Aaron Rogers and the Pittsburgh Steelers a good fit?

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We'll get his, pick his brain on the quarterback's heading into the NFL draft, which is at Lambeau Field in Green Bay, and of course on Aaron Rogers, who's currently visiting the Pittsburgh Steelers, what not, he and the Steelers are a good fit. Before we get to that, though, let's have a little Hurdline News with Ryan Music. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the Hurdline News. Hello, Ryan. All right, Doug.

Of course, we have the first round of the college men's basketball tournament taking away right now. And we have got some tight ones, some competitive games happening here. We got nine-seat Baylor taken on eight-seat Mississippi State Baylor with a slim lead coming down to the wire. Looking at a two-point lead with a minute 19 left. So that one is very much a tight contest coming down to the wire there. We also have a potential upset watch here. We have about eight minutes left in the second half. Alabama, number two seed Alabama, holding a very two-point slim lead over 15-seed Robert Morris.

So Alabama, about eight minutes left. Nope, back up to a four-point lead. They lead 6460. We also have in other action, Iowa State with a lead over Lipscomb at halftime, comfortably 16 point lead and Colorado State Memphis currently tied 1515 relatively early in the game still

well Robert Morris we've seen them up close and personal and played them twice they're in the Horizon League yeah they are making Alabama earn it right now they're just I really like Cam Woods their point guard Dickerson's the

junior college transfer and then Fulgaris is a sophomore he's from Italy and he was the conference play of the year. But it's, you know, a lot of it's matchups. And they, Alabama doesn't really score at the block. They're not like a big, they're not going to beat you up. It's an undersized Robert Morris team, but they match up really well with the tide.

Match up really well. And they've done a good job of running Alabama off the three point line. Only got 23s up and made six. All right. So there's your tournament update, four games in action, two of them. look like they're shaping up. One very much is coming down to the wire. Robert Morris, Alabama,

very much looking like it's going to continue that way. Just another note in the NFL world, as you've pointed out. Reports coming out of Pittsburgh, Aaron Rogers meeting with the Pittsburgh Steelers at their facility today. The reports also go to note, this coming from Adam Schefter and Jerry Dulac, that no deal in place, no deal expected to be imminent,

just sort of that first date, kind of starting to feel each other out, little. So keeping an eye on what's going down in Pittsburgh. All right, let's turn our attention to the NBA here, Doug. Good news for the Knicks. Jalen Brunson, out of a walking boot after spraining his ankle against the Lakers back on March 6th. Now, the hope is he will be able to return for maybe a couple of tune-up games at the end of the regular season to start getting things ready for the playoffs. Now, Colin has been on this. He likes a lot about this Knicks team, but he still thinks they're like one big move, like one true superstar away from being serious title contenders?

How do you feel about what this next team is currently? Probably. Those superstars are hard to find, and the right fit is hard to find. But again, I don't think that's unreasonable that when you have a, you know, like if Jalen Brunson is your best player, your leading score, then you're probably not going to win an NBA title, but if he's your second best player, your second leading score, then

you think, all right, there's a ceiling there. The only asterisk I could put by it is, hey, do we really think the Celtics can win without Prozingus? Maybe Al Horford in the regular season appears to be good enough, but will he fade when you get deep into the postseason? I think Collins generally right. I don't know if they need a superstar,

per se, but I do think that as much as I like the construction of it, right? You get Carl Anthony Towns. He's their best three-point shooter. Your best player in the paint is actually your point guard. So that's really hard to guard those pieces fit together. But it does feel like they may be one piece away. It doesn't mean you can't win it, though,

because if other teams have injuries or they may be one piece away as well. How do you think the Knicks stack up? Obviously, the Cavaliers have just had an absolutely insane regular season run here. How do you see them stacking up as sort of that? second or third best team as most people, you know, I know you have your questions there about the Celtics. Most people would say Celtics still probably the favorites in the east. How do you see the Knicks versus the Cavs? It would probably be Celtics Cavs and then and then Knicks. That's the one, two, three. Okay. We're going to wrap up with this here, Doug. Going to pivot a little,

but I think you'll see where I'm going with this. We are obviously in the opening round of March Madness, but the United States men's national team was in action last night against Panama in the semis of the Nations League, and they suffered another shocking loss. Now here's former national team member and Fox Sports analyst, Alexei Lollas, talking about the result. This is not good enough.

And Mauricio Pochitino's job is to make us believe that something different is there, that something new is there, that we are going to see something that we haven't seen before. And guess what, my friends, we've seen that before.

We do not want to see it again. Now, I just want to point this out for the audience. Obviously, now I work here with Colin Cowherd. But Doug and I go back several years. I used to be Doug's producer for a long time. And Doug, you have been on this before anyone else. You've always said, soccer is the sport your entire life. People have promised is the future and is coming.

And they have just never done. delivered on that promise. And here's another disappointing result, despite them going out, doing this big, wide-ranging international search to bring in a new manager and another disappointing result. Yeah, I mean, we keep cycling through them. No, the expression is my entire life soccer has been the sport of the future. Like, how, how, nobody told me how long into the future. It will be. The other point is, and again, I didn't watch, I'm not a great gauge for it, We do keep blaming every coach is tactics. Every American coach loses, doesn't perform.

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He spent his entire professional life in the National Football League, most notably as the GM of the Tampa Buccaneers. He's Mark Dominic. He joins us now in The Hurt here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Aaron Rogers is in Pittsburgh at the facility. Let's start. How good a fit do you think that is? Well, I think, hey, Doug, happy to be on with you.

I do think that it's a really good fit. I thought that's where he should go in the first place when I first heard, you know, the opportunities of the different spots really down to the Giants and the Steelers. I just feel like the Steelers are a better overall football team right now, certainly a very talented defense, and a running back away with Jalen Warren, where I think it could be an explosive offense. So I think, you know, a coach, you never had a losing season in a tough division, but in a division where you can go beat the, try to beat the Cowboys, the commanders,

and the Eagles, or you try to go beat the Ravens, you know, obviously the Bengals and the Bruns, and the Browns. I like his chances in Pittsburgh to have a better shot. Okay. If he says no, if he doesn't take the deal today, what then? Well, I think he just have to be patient. I think that's where it's at right now with him.

He's certainly not in any interest, you know, of making a quick decision, but, you know, I don't like what Aaron's doing. I think he should, you know, he's had months now to think about whether he wants to play football again. You know, and then he's also had, you know, weeks to know that these are the teams that are very much interested in. I mean, it's really down to

two teams, or he wants to retire. I mean, Doug, I don't know what would be the reasoning. I know that you can sit there and play the leverage game, but the reality is if Aaron wants to win, find your team, go be friends with their team. I mean, go, go make the statement. Like, this is the team you want to be part of instead of, you know, walling

around or trying to maybe get another $2 million. It shouldn't be about the money at this point for Aaron Rogers. Clearly, what the amount of money he's made. It should be what he thinks the best fit. Maybe both teams are making a great argument, but I think that, you know, if you go to bed and you should know what you want to do, it's disappointing to me that would take this long for Aaron unless he's really considering retirement.

Yeah, it's a, it's a weird one, but I think some would say Aaron could be a bit of a bit of a weird one. Mark Dominic's joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb show on Fox Sports Radio. Most surprising move in free agency was which move? Yeah, I think for me it might be Daniel Jones going to the Colts. And the reason why I called surprising is I really felt like Daniel Jones should take the Sam Darnold approach and take one year off and go into a system that he's very comfortable in that he can learn.

Like stay in Minnesota, B.JJ's backup, learn the system under Kevin O'Connell, and see if there's an opportunity that opens up instead of rushing into another spot where, yes, you could become the starter, but you're learning another system. It may not be as a good of fit. It may not be widely viewed as the same type of fit as the, you know, the obvious. obviously the Shanahan's slash Vikings offense. And so I thought that that was one we're, I don't know if they were looking

for Daniel Jones long term. I was thinking that seems like a short-term decision, get the $14 million, when I think they should have looked at that as more of a longer-term decision. And I will say Aaron Bean in Pittsburgh is certainly you know, that's a positive outcome that has potential to that.

Okay. Let's discuss the kind of quarterback shuffle. Gino Smith has played for Pete Carroll before, right? and kind of stabilize them. And Sam Donald goes from Minnesota to Seattle. Which one of those do you like best? I like Sam Donald going to Seattle.

And the reason why is I feel like there's potential in Sam Donald to be better. And yet I love the structure of the deal that John Schneider's had, where if it doesn't work out, it's one and done, move on and find the next quarterback. And it doesn't stop Seattle from drafting the quarterback. And it certainly doesn't stop the Raiders from doing more. But I feel like, you know, I'm going to lean towards. John Schneider's a GM to say, I feel like Gino Smith may not be where he used to be or what he can be. And Pete Carroll hasn't been there for a year to see the difference of what Gino Smith has been or what he's able to do on the practice field.

So that makes me a little bit more nervous for Gino Smith. I feel like for the Raiders, you're getting a one to two-year rental where I think the Seahawks are saying, hey, can we see if this could be the answer to the future? I'm interested in the Rams. You know, it was, you know, supposedly you had, you know, Matt Stafford was on the trade block, right? Hey, man. Now Matt Stafford's back. They go out of talented wide receiver. Does that work, right?

Does the idea of almost leveraging Matt Stafford to come back at the rate they want, does that work for the Rams in this upcoming season? I think it does. I think the Rams are a pretty good spot right now. able to keep some important players on that offensive line together. Certainly Matt Staff is a huge part with Pooka and the Kua now. They have one-two punch at wide receiver that's very difficult to deal with. And then you've still got a draft in front of you where you've got a chance to maybe add another tight end or add some more players on the defense.

This is a really great young defense, and that's exciting. It's got to be very exciting for them organizationally. So I like what the Rams did. I'm glad that Stafford was able to stay there. It certainly puts them into play. I know the 49ers are right now, the, leading favorite to win the West, but I feel like it should be the Rams. Cincinnati found a way to find the money to bring all of their guys back, right?

But they still don't have a defense, right? And I don't know how much more money they have to spend. Is this a winning strategy from Cincinnati? I think they played it very well. You know, everybody understands how hard to negotiate against Cincinnati. That's very clear across the board. They use the franchise tag effectively on T. Higgins. And it helps if T. Higgins wanted to stay.

But when you look at T. Higgins for your deal, that's under $30 million a year. You know, I think in the market, if he goes out the market, I think he's at 35. So, you know, the Bengals have got a discount on T. Higgins and paid the premium on Jemar Chase because they played it all the way through. But I like what the Bengals did. And I think there's still room to figure out Trey Henderson as well. Look, they're going to have to really draft well, you know, Doug. And that's a big part of Chase Brown, you know, going into your business. three on a rookie deal.

That's really helpful. So it's those kind of deals like that that are going to make them be able to work through this, but they've got to hit draft picks now. That's the only way when you pay three guys over a half a billion dollars between the three of them, you've got to find shortcomings or the draftable fixtures that can Polligan play, you know, week one in the national football league. All right. The Philadelphia Eagles have lost a good amount in free.

See, some they're prepared for, some they necessarily have not. what's the likelihood of them being at the top of the NFL going forward in the next year, considering you win a Super Bowl and everybody wants a piece of some of your players? Yeah, I mean, I think you look offensively, you know, with Sequin, with the receiving core, with the offensive line, you've got to feel pretty good. There's players on that defensive side where you lose a Brandon Graham, but there's a Jalick Hunt there who's a defensive lineman who's super talented. the first-year player, but when you watch him, you get very excited about what he's going to bring.

I know how he sees that and knows he's got some players down the line that are going to be able step up and step through. So I think that the Eagles are certainly every bit of reason to be in contention. They've been doing it for years now, and I think that this next year should be the same for them. I'm very positive. I'm now, if you think of what they did with the secondary and how young that's becoming now, you know, that's actually a very exciting thing to them.

Okay. The commanders at Debo Samuel. Now, I know they can go and add some pieces because you're already a playoff team and you have a quarterback who is on a rookie deal for the next couple years, but is Debo the right guy? I think he's a really good fit for them. I think that because of the way he can run after the catch, he's such a powerful player.

I think it'll be fine because there's not as many balls to go around. I mean, yes, Washington certainly has talented players too. But when you think about where the 49ers were, with Brandon Ayuk, Ricky Piersall, when you had Debo San, We have George Kittle. We have McCaffrey. It's like, where's the balls go? And Debo's a little bit more of a divot like that.

Some of these receivers are. I think he'll see more touches in Washington, which will be a better fit for him. He just got to stay in the field to help you. That's the only thing I ever worry about with Debo Samuels. Can he put 17 games together? Hopefully he can. And for the commanders, if he does, he will certainly be a thousand-yard receiver for them. Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.

Mark Dominic is our guest as we get ready for the upcoming NFL draft. He's the former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Patriots really aggressive in the free agent world. Some of it is like, look, they just don't have good enough players. Did you like who they were aggressive in going after? I did. I thought they did a good job. I mean, certainly to your point, they're probably the most aggressive,

but they also had probably the most room, and they have the most holes on their roster. So, you know, it's a blend. They got some really good quality players, I think, in free agency. They're going to plug and play guys that Brable knows. They even brought in guys that Brables had before, like a Jack Gibbons, player when he's on the field. So I found some value players too. So I think the Patriots now is just

going to be focused towards that draft. But I think they've got to feel like at least they don't feel desperate in the draft, right? Doug, I mean, that's a hard place to be. I was in that spot in 2009 as the GM of the Bucks when we basically cut the team from all the leadership. And it made for a very stressful draft because you had so many needs on a football team that, you know, it was hard to get your board fully set. Mark, uh, last thing. Uh, it feels, like a lot of these quarterbacks are like kind of placeholders, right?

I mean, fields with the Jets is one. I think Gino feels like one. I know it's pretty good money with the Raiders. Feels like a lot of them are like hey, we're going to draft a guy, but not first round. Second day, probably.

What does that mean for the quarterback market specifically? Jackson DART and then Shepard Sanders after Cam Ward. Yeah, so I feel like that's really what's going on when I feel the same way you do, Doug. I feel like there's some placeholders out there

or the Jets are willing to, you know, it's still baffling to me a little bit that the Jets put that much money into Justin Fields. But, you know, they've still got the draft in front of them. They'll see what they want to do or can do. It's a huge news for Jalen Milrow. I think it's huge news for Quinn yours. I think those guys made sure that they're at least second-round picks

now based off their pro days and the way they've performed. that the combine are through. So those two guys, I think, certainly go second round now and may be able to sneak a little bit higher depending on one of these late-round teams that wants to go and just take a quarterback. I think for Jackson Dart, he's a first-rounder. I think he's pushing himself up to board. I still feel like Shadour Sanders is a first-round quarterback.

But Cam Ward is the number one pick in this draft class. You can tell by what the Titans did. Nothing. They didn't bring in Russell Wilson. They didn't bring in any other quarterback. They have done nothing at the quarterback position except tell you. They are taking Cam Ward number one overall. It's not in a secret.

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and let's go. I don't know. As a football fan, wouldn't that be cool? I mean, look, maybe if you're a Browns or a Bengals or a Ravens fan, you're like, no, no, no, no, no. I don't want them to finally have a quarterback something they haven't had in years. But wouldn't that be cool? Wouldn't that be cool? You know, I don't think there were monumental upsets yesterday, right?

Like Drake winning, not monumental. McNee State, who hung on to beat Clemson by two. not a monumental upstate. It is if you just look at the name McNee State, but they've been good for a couple years now, and most people know a ton of NIL, and I think Clemson, some of that was matchups, and some of that is Clemson not as good as their record.

Part of it is coming from the ACC. But still, a big upset, and McNeese State being Clemson is a big win. I don't know. We put together a list in the best for last, and I think it'll offer up some really good debate. Let's get to the best for last. It's almost the end of the show,

but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. Doug Gottlieb in for Colin. The herd rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's get to our top five upsets that come to my mind. on the first weekend of the NCAA tournament.

Let's start with a little number five. As do you remember when Tom Brennan and the Vermont Catamounts did this? That's Janet. UDM. When we tell you once again, comes down to fundamental. Oh, my goodness. Sorrentine hit that one from the parking lot. Yeah, T.J. Sorrentine, who by the way, now is an assistant coach at Brown,

hit a parking lot three as Vermont and my boy, Tom Brennan, got a win. That was in 2005, 2005. We'll go back to 2005 upcoming. Speaking of current assistant coaches, who was once an NCAA tournament hero, this was in 2010 when Kansas took on Northern Iowa. Northern Iowa's going to have to shoot it before the clash of talk runs out. Beaurek Manesh, a three. Go!

You can't be serious with that shot. Al Farouk Manesh, who very well could be a head coach in the next couple of weeks here, as Colorado State continues to impress after winning the Mountain West Conference tournament championship. That was back when he was at Northern Iowa, playing for Ben Jacobson. They took down Bill Self. Here's one that you may remember. A player who came on the scene with an unbelievable NCAA tournament was C.J. McCullum when he played for Lehigh.

It's one thing, the 15 over two. It had happened in 11 years, but then you factor in that it's Duke on the losing end. And what you have here, folks, one of the all-time shockers. Defeats Duke in the NCAA basketball basketball. skip ball tournament. Yeah, Lehigh and C.J. McCollum, the Mountain Hawks, but they used to be known as the engineers a long time ago.

The Mountain Hawks take down the Blue Devils. All right, let's go back to that 2005. Speaking of Kansas, right, these were some of the early years of Bill Self at KU, and it was always a B. One year was Bradley, one year, it was Bucknell. The inbound, the long pass, the turn around, Simian, and for me, obviously,

coaching at a place where this place is most known for one game. You're going to watch Duke play today. Concanople, his uncle, was once a star at Green Bay before playing in the NBA. Jeff Norgard will hear this and celebrate somewhere

in the Fox Valley as Green Bay once ended Jason Kids' college career. Green Bay beat Cal. I think that game was at Weaver State. Think about that. Would there ever be an NCAA tournament site in Weber, Utah, ever again?

Again, it was in 1994. Dick Bennett was the coach. A lot of people think Tony Bennett was the point guard. He was not. Not when they won their NCAA tournament game. That was the Jeff Norgard-led team. What I miss, Ryan Music? What upset do you remember the most when you think back?

And obviously, you got a lot younger than I. And look, you can pick from a million. I mean, I think UMBC is the one that people remember the most. Sure, yeah. Peter's. Tried to roll back the clock a little bit more. I'm trying to roll about the clock a little bit more. What one jumps out in your mind?

Yeah, I mean, I definitely remember that upset that you referenced already with Northern Iowa and Kansas. That one just sticks out in my mind so much. And then, you know, this doesn't fall in the line of, you know, major early round upsets. But I remember that undefeated Kentucky team with Carl Anthony Towns. and when they ended up losing to Wisconsin. Again, not like a historic upset, but just in terms of all-time great teams that sort of didn't end up going all the way to win the title,

those would be two that come to my mind. Yeah, yeah. You know, like we don't even look at, you know, like we talk about George Mason, VCU, obviously Butler, the first time around when they nearly won the national championship, that was a preseason top 10 team. But the second time,

round. That was really surprised. They'd lost Sheldon Mack. They lost Gordon Hayward, and that team wasn't, no one thought that was a national championship. Oh, you know, another one that sticks out was, I think it was Jabari Parker, right, when they lost to Mercer, that Duke team. Yeah, I remember that one.

Mercer was dancing, right? Remember they everybody, they kept, they still played the Mercer dancing video everywhere you go. Yeah. Anytime you want, that was the most known probably for the dancing, More so than anybody else. Yeah, that was an early round one where I remember thinking, wow, that was a very shocking result.

Yeah, I love the people who massively overreact and tear up their brackets. You know, like, oh, my bracket is, and my son Hayes was so better yesterday, you know, he had Clemson going far. Those, he just, he's always like Clemson's like Clemson football a bit more in Clemson basketball. He's like, man, I watch Clemson this year. They're good. they're in the ACC. I was like, all right.

But they just fell behind early. They couldn't make a shot, and McNeese was too quick and too athletic for them. Yeah, I mean, I think you can go through. I mean, Oakland last year, taking down Kentucky. That one is one that kind of jumps out in anyone's kind of memory in terms of recency bias, because that was the last game that John Caliperi. Kind of weird, right? Last game John Calipari ever coached at Kentucky, they got beat by Greg Campi.

and Oakland. That was also a super senior, right? So you still have some things that correlate. But you think of, it is one of those deals where you can go through any one of these programs. And Buffalo, it wasn't that Buffalo beat Arizona and Buffalo was really good? That was back when Nate Oates, now in Alabama.

I think it was his last win at Buffalo. They dominated Arizona. I mean, that thing was just such a mismatch. It was a stunner how good they were in comparison to Arizona. I believe that was Sean Miller's last game as head coach at Arizona. And some people think Sean Miller will be head coach of Texas. All right. So look, you got the rest of the second day of the first round, the NCAA tournament.

Then you have rounds, round two upcoming this weekend. So Colin will be back to recap that on Monday. Plus, we'll find out, well, Aaron Rogers, I mean, you remember that state farm commercial right? What did Aaron Rogers? Like, what is Aaron Rogers doing here? He'll be in everything. if he does in fact agree to go to the Pittsburgh Steelers. But like look, dude, if you want to play football,

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