The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Murray, Herbert

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

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It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1 on Tuesdays, the rest of the football season, Mark Sanchez comes by, has been great. Last 30 minutes of the show, we bring in Mark Sanchez, talk about the game he covered, the game he will cover. with the Urban Meyer situation continues to unfold, did not fly home with the team, did not go over well with players apparently, all sorts of cats and dogs living together. This league is hard. You know, I talk about this with friends all the time.

Jay Glazer always talks about this, that it's a miserable place to work if you don't have the right quarterback. Right. You can do everything right. I really think Brian Flores is excellent. I agree. I think Joe Judge is excellent. And everybody's like, no, no. Now, all of a sudden, the Chargers coach, Brandon Staley, everybody's like, whoo!

This got Justin Herbert makes it a little easier. It just the reality, it's almost like having a great wife. Just everything's easier. If you get that solved, then guys can do dumb stuff. And you're like, well, I mean, he's got rock solid foundation at home. And she, you know, she's a winner. so you can just end up, you know, driving over, you know, running into a UPS truck twice a day and nobody judges you. Twice a day?

Well, I mean, maybe then you become a little bit of liability, but there is something to be said about. We all, we crush all these coaches, and we're always crushing coaches who don't have the right quarterback. Well, I guess in fairness to the crushing, the quarterback doesn't affect the other side of the ball or special teams. Well, you would think that, right? you would think the quarterback doesn't affect the defense. There's an effect, obviously, but, you know, the coach is doing a whole lot more. So if they're failing overall as an organization, and obviously you can't fire players generally, you can cut them, but the quarterback's generally not in a situation to be cut.

So somebody has to be held accountable for failures, and even if it is mediocre quarterback play, it generally falls on the coach. Yes. You know, it's funny, Brandon Staley is a defensive coach, and he's got, and this works a lot. So Belichick, defensive guy, worries about the defense, star quarterback Super Bowls. Mike Tomlin, defensive guy, Big Ben and his prime, Super Bowl. Pete Carroll, defensive guy. Russell Wilson, when he was great.

Super Bowl. Tony Dungey, defensive guy. Peyton, you run the offense. Now, it goes both ways. But there's a real trend in the NFL, got to have an offensive coach. But if you get a great defensive coach and the offensive guy can do, like Kyler, Murray and Cliff Kingsbury, you think, like, oh, that's what you want. You want the brilliant offensive.

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Tom Brady has officially beat all 32 NFL teams, and he talked about it on his Let's Go podcast, which was his favorite team to beat, and which is his least favorite team to beat? Holy cow, that's a good question. The team, I would love to beat the most as the Giants. There's no doubt about that, because they've taken away some really, you know,

I've always joked with Eli, but yeah, and I think he likes that I bring it up all the time. So I don't bring it up again. I do not like losing to those guys. So when we beat them, I love that. And the team I like to beat the least is obviously the Patriots. I've had a lot of battles over the years with different teams. And there's a lot of mutual respect in pro sports. But glad I'm through with the one last night.

Isn't that amazing that Eli Manning beat Tom? It really is fascinating that we view Brady in the Peyton Manning sphere, but it's Eli. that outduled Tom twice in Tom's prime. That's just a great story. And I love that Eli reminds him, because you know that drives Tom crazy. And he just had his number. And by the way, two prolific throws,

Mario Manningham, where Eli put it in a box about the size of a volleyball, and then the David Tyree catch, which is probably this craziest, most unconventional catch in sports history. Yeah, I've never rooted harder for a team that I had no affiliation. with than I was for the Giants and that.

I'm like, listen, the Dolphins have nothing. You cannot take away. That was the Phoenix Super Bowl. The Glendale. Yeah. No loss season from us. We can't do it. So, Brady will have a chance to beat the Giants again on November 22nd when they face off

on Monday night football and they play the dolphins this Sunday and are currently favored by 10 points, according to Foxbat. You know, New England really, I'm trying to think about it this year. They didn't play well against Alice. Or excuse me. They didn't play well against Dallas. Remember, Dallas moved up and down the field. They didn't play well against the Rams.

They didn't play well against the Patriots. I mean, if you really look at Tampa, I said today on heard hierarchy, I'm putting them in the top 10 because I do believe in close game situations, and they're talented enough to mostly stay close to everybody. They're not playing well. I think we're giving them a lot of respect that's unearned so far. Well, their defense isn't what it was last year. And their defense is a big part of the reason why they were there.

completed 18 straight throws. In a monsoon. Like their defense is a problem. You can death by a thousand cuts. You can nibble away at their defense as Mac Jones did. But I do have faith that they will figure it out. You think, yes. The urgency, it's hard to take a Super Bowl champ in October.

It's hard to repeat. It's like it's not easy thing to do. It doesn't happen that often. So Jimmy Garoppolo didn't return to the field following half time in the 49ers matchup on Sunday with the Seahawks. And there's no timetable on how long he'll be out. Kyle Shanahan said that Jimmy G has a chance to play Sunday against Arizona. We had Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson on yesterday,

and he thinks that Jimmy G's starting career might be coming to an end in San Francisco. I think the writings on the wall as far as what they won't done. And I agree, the only way a young player is going to get better is putting him on the field. You're going to have to take your lumps with him because, you know, these rookies are going to make mistakes. but for the future, him playing is the best way to go for the 49ers. He's talking about Trey Lance. Grasolo said he suffered an injury on the first offensive snap of this offensive series,

and then a C-Ox defender stepped on his calf. He tried to play through the injury and made it the halftime before they gave it to Lance. I didn't mean to be cruel, but he's a little bit of a lemon. Great-looking, always in the shop. There's nothing you can do about it. He's just he's one of those guys. I mean, you said it earlier. We talked about this all offseason when they took Lance.

The reason Lance is there is because of Jimmy Garapolo's injuries. It's not because of what Jimmy Garoppel is capable of. He's not, he doesn't play reckless. He doesn't play like Wentz or Darnold. It's just he is injury prone. Sam Bradford did not play reckless football. He just got hurt a lot. It's just the reality of pro sports.

Well, some guys are just injury prone. And when it becomes a part of your story, when you're describing a player, you always have to mention that they are also injured. that is the scout on you. Like that's just what it is. It's not anyone wishing for that. It might not even be anything that he's doing. I don't know how he well he takes care of his body,

but sometimes you're just going to get injured, and that's why Trey Lance is there. And to Jimmy's point, going back and forth is going to eventually hurt the development of Trey Lance, but also you have a locker room to be concerned about and game lands to build on. And if you can't rely on Jimmy Garoppolo, how do you do that? And they have a big game against the Cardinals this weekend.

So a fortunate caution in sudden rain shower made Bubba Wallace the second black driver to ever win a NASCAR Cup series race, a huge win. And following the win, he got emotional about this historic moment. Yeah, I never think about those things. And when you say it like that, it obviously brings a lot of emotion, a lot of joy to my family, fans, friends. but you always got to stick true to your path and not let the nonsense get to you and stay strong, stay humble, stay hungry. There's been plenty of times where I wanted to give up

and you surround yourself with the right people and it's moments like this that you appreciate it. Yeah, tune out the noise. There's a lot of it. He is the first black driver to win in NASCAR's premiere series since Hall of Famer Wendell Scott in 1963. It was also the first win for Jordan's race team. He said, I'm so happy for Bubba. And our entire racing team,

huge milestone, an historic win for us. And the day we signed him, I knew Bubba had the talent to win, and Denny I could not be more proud of him. Let's go. I like that Michael Jordan's in racing. I like that. Well, that makes sense. This is where he grew up.

He likes his racing. Michael's done a lot of his business with sports. Michael likes sports. He likes to, he loves golf. He loves golf. I would guess the golf is his favorite of basketball, but more, probably more than basketball. Good stuff. Joy of the news.

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We get the 10-year NFL veteran Mark Sanchez, who joins us live now to our set. We love that. Called the Washington's Falcons game. And he has the Niners' Conference. Cardinals this Sunday, which is going to be very interesting. Oh, yeah. By the way, I saw this. I didn't know this.

It was pretty interesting. You were the first rookie quarterback in the NFL history to, I don't even know if you knew this, to start and win your first three games of a season. That's something. How about that? So it's funny. I watched Trey Lance, and that's the game you're doing this week. That's right.

I watched Trey, and he's kind of athletic. He had to run. Kind of? Yeah. Pride doesn't quite have it. mastered in the pocket. Joy and I were talking about this, Mark, in the last commercial break. The quarterbacks are all the rookies, kind of what we thought. Mac Jones, accurate. Trevor Lawrence, some wow, wow. Trey Lance, Justin Fields, not quite ready, but athletic.

Who am I missing here, Joy? So, Trey, who am I missing? Mac Jones. New York. Zach. Oh, Zach Wilson. Often his best. kind of making it up off script. They're all kind of what we thought. So let's zero in on Trey Lance. You've been in this process. Games going real fast. Oh, boy.

Real fast. Can he take that performance? Tell me the leaps. How much better can he get in the next month if he has to start? Well, I think a lot of it is reps during the week. All the reps. Being the starter for the week, right? he's going to get so many more attempts just during the week that 50 plays in practice against the defense that are scripted

specifically against the scout team defense instead of just going in for your tray package of five to 10 plays. Right. Now he's going to get everything. And the only thing I feel like with Trey, let me describe him and Jimmy. Okay. Jimmy is going to keep you on schedule.

He's steady, you know, not in the fast lane, not in the slow lane, right in the middle. Just nice and easy. Going to keep you ahead of the chains, right? He's so good on play action because he's a veteran. You'll see him, boom, give his hard play fake. This is Jimmy. Whip his head around.

And as soon as he knows, it's no good down the field, exactly what we want. Is it the exact look we want? No, boom, half back in the flat. Now. And I'll take the two, three yard gain just to get me to second and seven, just so we could run the ball on second and seven and get to third and three. and let's play ball and let's keep doing it all the way down the field. When it's open and I know it, boom, I'll take the shot.

With Trey and young quarterbacks in general, all the guys you just mentioned, it's make your hard play fake, boom, flip around. Now I know it doesn't look perfect, but I got a little fomo, right? I got a little fear of missing out on some of this stuff and it's like, could it still be there? That's Justin Fields against Cleveland. That's Fields. That's all young quarterbacks.

I was a victim of that because you want to make it right, right? You want the coach called the play. I hit it in practice. We got the exact read in practice. We got the look in practice. Now, this isn't exactly it, but I can figure this out. I can navigate this. And you just, that one half a second, and sometimes it works.

And sometimes you get the 30, 40, 50 yard strike down the field. But oftentimes, they're holding it just for an extra second. That D-Lyman starts to edge the O-Lignment. And now you're getting hit in the pocket. Now you're getting moved around. Now somebody flashes in your face and you can't see the back. anymore because you had them for half a second but you spent that half second looking downfield. Does that make sense like they're just just that I mean and we're talking a fraction of a second now like

one 1,000 ball and that's the difference between Jimmy Andy Dalton and Justin Fields, Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance that's the difference and I mean we're talking razor's edge so it's they're close but I think those reps will remind him and that alarm that time clock has to go off in his head it's either yes or no and that discernment that's what comes late. right that in the dropback passing game and your play action passing game that's where he's going but but you see it in flashes right you see it in spurts and oh man is he talented yeah you know it's interesting you would think uh all athletes you guys are good looking you make money it's all confidence i love coming on the show thanks but it's funny okay that confidence is you're you sometimes

you can lose it in a drive of course so josh allen these are the three that jump out to me Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray, and Josh Hout, all talented. They're playing now, Kyler and Josh and Lamar. Like, this is my team now. Like, this is my team. So Kyler Murray's always been elusive. But when I watch him now, compared to the first year, it's that second you talk about. He's, oh, that's elusive's not his issue.

That's what I see. I see, and I don't see it yet with Herbert. I see Herbert as talented, not quite as confident as he'll be in 12 starts. But when I watch Kyler, I'm just like, oh, he knows now I'm the best player on the field. I think one, he realizes it. He knows what he's able to get away with. He spent those last couple years trying to figure that out. Almost like, you know, I deal with my son, who's going to be five, right?

He pushes boundaries, like, okay, how far can I go? And as a rookie quarterback in your second year and stuff, you're still trying to figure out, can I fit that ball in? Can I scramble here? Can I work my, you know, escape to the left? Can I do this or that? and Kyler's got everything, right? My only fear, my only fear with Kyler,

yes, he's much better in the dropback passing game. Yes, they're getting him quick completions. Yes, he's elusive. But when he has to do it on every play and there's free rushers a lot, like in that Rams game, he made it look good. And scrambling can cover up a lot of wards, but there's some holes in protection now.

That's my only fear is that it is exhausting for him to have to play like that over and over and over and over and over. That's a great point. That's my only fear. So is it a sustainable way to play? I don't know, because if he gets nicked up at all, and I, you know, knock on wood,

I pray to God he doesn't because I love watching him and I think he's amazing. But so much as an ingrown toenail that slows him down that much, it's not the same. And if you can't get away on some of these third downs where there's free rushers coming at you, that's going to be a problem.

And that's what we saw last year, right? As soon as he got banged up a little bit, he's got a hang in the pocket, and now what does it look like? that offense looks less, you know, less fierce, less scary, right? Right. You know. It's interesting. So I want to talk about Justin Herbert. And I said there is something about humility.

And I actually sent this text to their GM this morning. I said, this may not make any sense. I said, but he plays with a humility. So generally men, because of our egos, we, whatever we're great at, we're going to make sure you know. If we have a great build, we'll wear a tight t-shirt. If we're funny, we're going to tell jokes in public. Most great quarterbacks that have had great arms, they're going to show you. Namath, Farr, Ben. They're going to have picks.

A lot of guys like Alex Smith without a great arm know it and won't throw a lot of picks. Herbert has a remarkable arm, and yet the humility is, I know how valuable these throws are. For a 23-year-old, that's my takeaway as a non-athlete watching an athlete. He has a complete host. He's got a huge arm. And he throws it about three times a game. He's got good receivers. But sometimes it's the gift that the guy upstairs gave you that you don't use.

And when I watch him, it's weird to say this, but he plays with a humility. Like he understands the value. He knows what the chargers are historically. Like what, I mean, am I talking too much? No. Do you know what I'm saying, kind of? No, you're spot on. Because having that gift, whether it's the athleticism, the Kyler Murray's and Lamar Jackson's,

it can be a blessing and a curse. You can run into a lot of sacks if you're really fast, right? You escape the pocket. That's a knock on Russell Wilson. Right. And you run into a lot of sacks potentially. Well, that's part of it. And then you start to figure it out.

And then you hit your prime and hopefully you're just as athletic and smarter than before you, you know, get to the back nine and can't do it anymore. Right. With somebody with a strong arm, that's the fear from coaches. But here's all I'd say. I'd rather say, whoa, than sick them. Right? And Justin Herbert is walking.

that fine line of both. He understands when it's time to uncork it and when it's time to dump it off. And when it's time to layer a ball instead of just 100 miles an hour right in somebody's face mask, boom, the ball gets popped up in the air, interception going the other way. When it's time to fit a ball into cover two 18 to 22 yards down the field and the hole shot, that honey hole shot, boom, he knows. And when it's time, it's time. But what's so interesting to me about him is he walks that razor's edge line of, you know, stoic and apathetic, right? Because it's different, right? Like certain guys like Bradford, maybe, no emotion, Flacco, no emotion. But they had, like, a little bit of juice, like enough to get the guys going. Justin has it, like, at the right times. Like,

when you see after touchdowns, some guys are a little nerdy when they, like, celebrate. Right, right. And Herbert has, I mean, he's one of the biggest nerds. He's a biome. major, okay? He's a nerd and he knows it and he's cool with it and he owns it. But he's like ultra competitive. He's quietly an alpha male, but he just does it a different way. And when it happens when he's successful, you could see the way the guys rally around him, especially after he just got absolutely teaboned in the backfield. The dude took his head off. Um, Gokwe, I think, just leveled them. I mean, flattened him. Like a Mack truck just smacked him. Boom. He gets hit. Pops right up, no emotion, just kind of shrugs your shoulders a little bit.

Next play. Okay, it rips off like four completions in a row. And just you see nothing from them until they score and then it's like, you see him fired up. You know what I mean? And he has just enough to like grab them. But you remember in the draft process, everybody, oh, you know, he's not a leader. He's too quiet.

I don't know if he can handle the spotlight. He just does it different. He does it different and that was scary to people. Good stuff. Mark Sanchez, more in a second. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. Join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Listen, Inside American Soccer with Tom Bogart and Tab Ramos on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your podcast. I want to talk to Ak Prescott for a second. were just talking about this a second ago is I think in basketball or basketball and soccer you can spot talent very quickly. I could walk by a park and see Ronaldo with a soccer ball and be like, okay, that's a great player or a basketball player. I can see your vertical, you're hitting jumpers. In football, you can't block yourself at a park, can't throw it to yourself. So I think

there are opportunities for football players to really grow into greatness. And I was a, you know, I mean, Dan Mullen came on the show and he said, like, we didn't like the way Dacked through the ball. He goes, I watched him, and I'm like, this doesn't work. But we just fell in love with him. You played with him briefly. And I watched him the first couple of games this year, and I'm like, I don't know if it's comfort, but his ball placement's better. I mean, just your thoughts about, I just think he's getting better in front of our eyes. And I always kind of saw a ceiling with him, and I think he's kind of burst through the ceiling.

Oh, he's going to blow right through it. I think a lot of people put that ceiling on him, and I feel like being there, his rookie year, you saw what Scott Linnehan did for him. He did the same thing with Stafford, where they kind of kept the clamps on it. Didn't need him to throw it 35 times a game. If we

could stay under 30, and that's kind of our ceiling, ride this run game, teach him how to be a dropback passer because there were flashes of it and ease him along. I mean, he ripped off like 13 wins in a row as a rookie with a great running game, right?

Now the offensive line starts to deteriorate. just a tick. Maybe Zeke's not as explosive for the last couple years, but they start building it around DAC because they saw enough in those first couple years that, hey, this is who we're hitching our horse to. This is what we're doing. We're rolling with this guy. Now he's got all the weapons. Now he's got more reps under his belt. Now we've seen just about everything under the sun defensively because everybody's like, okay, well, we got to get to him. Oh, we got to show him this. We got to confuse him. And no, he's just a pure passer and he's surgical. He just picks you apart. and he looks so confident now, he's scary.

He's one of the scariest dudes that these defenses play. And it's not because he'll extend the play enough. A little. Enough. You know, he's not going to trip over his own feet. He's not a statue. He's got juice to move a little bit and extend the play. But he is just his anticipation right now, his accuracy,

and his accuracy, not just completion percentage, but like hitting the front number as opposed to the back number, keeping guys in stride. And with the guys he has now, Cooper, and especially CD Lamb, are you kidding me? Those guys catch and split. They catch and knife up the field and they're gone. So he's mastered that accuracy stuff and it's so fun to watch.

Yeah, I mean, I think we forget sometimes. Russell Wilson acknowledged it was late year three, Russell said, when the light came on. It looks slow, right? It looks slow for DAC now. He's very comfortable. By the way, you talk about 25, 30 throws. I've been critical of Baker Mayfield, but I've said, I think if there

he has to play there's a certain game plan that works for Baker now Sunday he's off his game he gets a little skittish he's now sailing everything he and OBJ don't work I don't know why I'm not in the film room your takeaway on Baker Mayfield

my takeaway in the game was Cleveland played poorly and won on the road I'm like what a huge step for the Cleveland Browns and it's not the end of the world like their to me their formula for Baker is 25 to 30 throws that's like his will house. Yeah. And that's when he's

most effective. I can say that was Mark Sanchez's wheelhouse. And I'm okay with that. That was my second, third, fourth year. That was probably where I should be. When we tried to do more, when we had to do more, same thing, little speed wobbles. Right? With me, with Baker. That's just kind of his game. And that's

okay because of the way they're built. They're going to manufacture about 10 of those completions with screens, either to the half back, the tight end, the receivers. That's fine. Let's keep the pure dropback pass game. to a minimum, but keep the overall pass attempts right around 2530. And he's plenty good to go to the Pro Bowl, to go to a Super Bowl.

I mean, he could take these guys on a deep run because of the way they're playing on defense, they're going to get sack-cause fumbles, they're going to get good field position. They're going to get a short field on offense. Like, you don't have to do too much. He's one of those guys that just slow and steady, and he'll be just fine. This isn't a knock on him. And this is just after years of data now, you can kind of see. That's right.

This probably works in this formula. This formula can work for them. The Jets, Zach Wilson, let's talk about that. Now, Zach, full disclosure, I said coming out of college, I saw a little Johnny Mansell, little cocky, a little show off, much better arm. I do worry sometimes that he doesn't play with a ton of humility. Like he lets it rip, that's my interpretation, not marks. but he did win and the arm's not a question.

He moves. He's got a beautiful arm. What did you see this weekend? Where are you seeing growth with the rookie quarterback for the Jets? Well, I think he's still figuring out what he can and can't get away with. And you heard Coach Salas say after week one or two that it's okay to play boring football. And sometimes that's hard. Of course it is, especially the big arm guys. Exactly, because you've got a reminder of, hey, dial it back.

We don't need it all right now. when it does go to overtime, like this last week, when the game's on the line, third down, long, you know, fourth down, whatever. This is a got-to-have-it situation. Buddy, go be Zach Wilson. Go give us all the flare, the glitz and glam you got. Whatever you got, uncork it at that time.

But the first three quarters, let's be really sharp. Let's just steal a million completions in a row. Let's see how many completions we can get in a row. Let's try that for now. You know what I mean? And he's starting to get some guys back, I think their defense is starting to figure it out just a little bit. I think Williams played out of his mind up front and just was a game wrecker.

Now, granted, Tennessee's on the road without their two best receivers, didn't rush it incredibly well. They looked solid, but not full strength. But it doesn't matter because that kind of notch in his belt gives him a little confidence. Just gives him a little bit of, all right, hey, we got one. The pressure's off a little bit, right? He's still in New York, but he could take a breath a little bit, right? You get the first win. It's like, oh, thank God.

That was a lot. Couple minutes left, Mark. Mark Sanchez, joining us for a radio audience. Mack Jones, I thought, played really well. I do think there's a lower ceiling. The play has to be kind of designed for him. He's not going to move a lot. He is accurate.

I thought considering the weather and the stage, I thought he was pretty good. He slides out. I was so impressed because that's, I mean, 19 completions in a row as a rookie. That was against that defense. And they were coming after him. defensive coordinator. They were coming after them. I mean, they didn't give him

a few of the same looks, but it was like a rolodex of blitzes and looks and fronts and, yeah, I mean, they were all over the map. So for him to dissect that, analyze it, boom, and get that ball out the way he did. A couple of the pocket movement stuff, like, you go

back to his tennis playing days in that short area quickness in the pocket. I mean, we're talking full on free rusher and the guard sets to the right and boom, here comes Levanti Dave, Jack Barrett or was a bit of Vita. Devin White. I mean, Devin White's just B-line to the quarterback and he's just

little sidestep, buy me an extra second, boom, fit a ball in in a window. I mean, that's third, fourth, fifth year stuff. And he was solid. I just feel like they need more, right? Not out of him. They need more around them. Because he'll get you in the right play. He'll keep you away from bad plays. He'll keep you on schedule. But he needs guys. I mean, who's he throwing to? No. They are, they spent $300 million.

I've said this. I don't think they're marketedly faster than last year. It's Sean McVeigh's frustration with Jared Gough, which is we got to be able to score not on an 11 play drive. Because one holding play blows the drive up. No doubt. And to that point, I thought Mack Jones, he'll get you in and out of stuff. But it's not a shot on Jacobi Myers or Kendrick Bourne. It's just the speed component.

I mean, when you watch some of these teams, I mean, those are supporting actors, the guys you just named. They're supporting actors. They're not, you know, Denzel Washington, Brad Pitt, they're not bringing everybody to the theater, right? No offense to them. They can make a great living and they do a great job. They can convert some third downs and all that, but they need some juice.

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