The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - National Championship game

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

UCLA head coach Mick Cronin joins the show in studio to talk about Purdue big man Zach Edey ahead of tonight's National ChampionshipSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You'd been in this thing forever. It's been fun to watch. And my takeaway initially was it's a bit diluted. I don't think it's terribly good at the middle or bottom. But at the top, it's really good. I had talked to Mark Few, maybe on or off the air, a month ago. And he's like, I don't want to play Purdue again. Are you surprised?

You know the Midwest well. Yeah. There were questions about are they two Zach E. dependent? Are they athletic enough? Are you shocked Purdue's here? No, no, not at all. Because they go back again, you and I, you know, to our era.

The Pistons had to go through losing to the Celtics. Right. The Bulls had to go through losing to the Pistons. You know, so Purdue's been through some tough times. And they've all stayed together. And they have an elite coach and Matt Painter. and they have the best player in the country. Yeah.

So it would have surprised me if they would have lost because of what they've been through. I think too many people say, well, they don't know how to win. They were young, give them a chance. You understand last year they started two freshman guards. Yeah. Hurley says this, we're a lot. He's like, it may take us 18, 20 minutes. I read that.

We bring a lot. I always felt this way with Alabama and Sabin. You could hang for a half, but the velocity of athletes over the course of three hours, they wear you out. Who do you like tonight? I mean, I would be shocked if Purdue won. I think Yukon's a distinctive favorite. For a couple of reasons. One, Klingin is the only guy that has a chance to guard Eady 101.

And slow him down a little. Exactly. To me, the Purdue's supporting cast is relying upon the fact that you have to pay so much attention to Zach Edy that they make open shots. Like, you know, their supporting cast isn't what Yukon's is. I mean, you know, Caravan is an unbelievable shotmaker off screens. They have two guards. Colin, do you understand Yukon's two starting guards combined Tristan Newton and Cam Spencer? Tonight will be there. I look this up for us. 290 and 91st college game combined. What a huge edge.

Two-fifth-year player. I mean, exactly. Very Villanova feeling. Yeah, and even more with the fifth year. They're both fifth-year guys. You know, they just got everything. Castle's a lottery pick. But he's not a, he's not like a down-the-road.

He's going to, no, he's a tough dude. Like, you know, his dad played. I mean, Castle's a real guy. I mean, he's a productive freshman. Caraband's the glue guy, though. So when your four-man is an elite shooter, I mean, it just changes everything. I mean, it's New Wave basketball, right?

With that stretch four. They're just parts fit, but clinging, I mean, if he doesn't get in foul trouble, but they have Johnson, I mean, they're just the best team. Yes, I think topped it. It felt like South Carolina yesterday. We had a 30-0 bench advantage. You're talking about a different level.

You know, I was saying some athletes ride the wave. Caitlin Clark felt like the wave. is that I read a story that Gina Oriama had seen her kind of passed on her. It's okay. People develop. Some people are great at 12. Some develop. We've seen that in all sorts of sports. When you

watch Caitlin Clark as a guy who does this for a living, we know she can shoot. What's the second thing you look at and go, well, that's elite? Passing. I was surprised. Obviously, we're busy, so you don't have much time, right? But it's like, what's going

on, you know, with this girl's player at Iowa, right? So you turn it on, and her passing's elite. I don't, if she would have had not to disparage anybody, but her supporting cast would, you know, like, not as good. Steph Curry's, she's a college version

of Steph Curry. She's not the best athlete, but she's the best shooter and an elite passer. Yeah. The question for me, and that, I don't know this, because I don't know the W.N. NBA as well, but I know they're 28, 29, 30, you know, will her, will she be able to get all that done against better athletes, against more size,

you know, how much will that translate? I mean, that's the question going forward. Well, the one thing I do like about her, and she's a playmaker, like a lot of scores aren't. They're just scores. Right. She can really pass it. She can.

So I said this earlier. Life's about connections. When I started a business three years ago, I leaned on people I knew. If the Lakers took Brony James at 55, I called one NBA scout last week, and he said, listen, smart kid plays the right. way because of his physical scare. He's got more, he's got, he's not a playmaker. He's not wildly dynamic, but he's a good athlete.

And the Lakers have no shooters. He said, so if you could find a guy off the bench, take him two years gross. And he said, if LeBron is energized his last three years, it's not the end of the world. Your takeaway, I mean, you know, you saw him play. Could he develop into a rotational NBA guy and hit Jays? And I think in time for sure. Yeah, yeah. The question is, um, I'm,

would tell you, I had the advantage. I saw him a lot in high school. Obviously, you know, with recruiting. He played with Amari Bailey at Sierra Canyon, you know, so I was there a lot. I would tell you whatever had, whatever

went on with the heart situation. I mean, can you imagine how, I mean, that's how hard that is. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to imagine it wasn't like he was able to run around stay in shape. You know, you probably had to shut it down for an extended period of time. He did. to come into, it's hard enough as a freshman in college basketball.

In this era of 20, you know, the fifth year guys. A lot of them. To come in as a freshman that had an entire summer of training. Well, he had no summer. He had no fall, really. And then all of a sudden he's back on the court. So he was a shell of what I saw it in high school. Right.

So he's... What did you see in high school? Well, I think he was quicker, faster, more athletic. So, you know, I think, you know, sitting around for five months couldn't have helped. Of course. But he can shoot the ball. He's smart. He's a very good kid.

I've been around him. Somebody told me he'll be great on a well-run organization because, like his dad, he makes the right play. Well, he's been trained that. Yeah, that's just habit for him. You know, I mean, he grew up, you imagine growing up sitting watching basketball games and your dad. And talking to your dad. To you, he's your dad. But obviously, he's talking about the right play all the time.

You know, the guy was, you know, the best passer. you know, he's always made the right play and people say they knocked LeBron well, he should have shot a bad shot, why do he pass it to the wide open guy, like people go on and say that stuff because he guys wide open. Well, we should have, you know, well, if the guy would have made it, you wouldn't have been

criticizing him. So his dad's always been around the right play. So legacy guys too tend to in the last 15 years, a lot of legacy guys have been maybe underrated and now he didn't fly under the radar, like Steph Curry.

like his brother okay that his you know he went to Davidson his brother went to Liberty yeah so the big advantage of if your your parent was a good player because you've been taught the game

a lot of legacy players now it's not taught I mean in recruiting like I try to search for him you do yeah because you know how they've grown up like I know why I'm here my dad was a great high school coach and when the season was over he was He was part of the best organization in the Atlanta Braves for 20 years. They won 14 rings.

Those are the people I walk home from school. Bobby Cox is in my house. So I know the advantages I had growing up. So it's a huge advantage when you can grow up around that. Because not only so Bronny talks to his dad, who do you think his dad's friends are? Other good players. Right? I mean, look who they're so far advanced and you don't even know it.

By the time you're 13, how much basketball you really know. Yeah, you know, for years and years, I would hear that, you know, if you grow up with money, you won't have an edge. But I always felt basketball has been a suburb sport for about 15 years and that a lot of the good programs are well-capitalized programs. They're suburban schools with money. Well, you know, we're in the era where money matters now as well. But in high school, look, high school has changed so much. You know, there was an era of, you know, out here. whether it was Fremont or Crenshaw, you know, Compton Centennial.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now it's all private schools. Right. Same, you know, New York City, the Catholic League back then, but even there were scholarship. But the diocese was so big there, there. But now they all go to prep schools. You know, it's just the world of scholastic basketball has really, really changed. Yeah.

I want to ask you about Zach Ead again. So I'm a, I think sometimes we make a mistake, and I'm guilty of this, that we forget these are young people. And everybody ages, it doesn't matter if it's actors. You see it in comedy. There are late blooms. Not everybody is John Stewart. 20, he's just clever.

A lot of these comedians hit at 28, 30. And when I watched Zach Edy last year, I was like, didn't move very well, not sure he's a great closer for his side. And then I started watching him at end of the big 10 season. I'm like, guy, he's a way better player. Yeah. And you've had a couple of those guys. Jaime Hawkes.

Yeah. And it's what, what is the click factor? Is it, because he was always big, what was the click factor and what do you think it is with him? Well, big guys on a rule of thumb in basketball, okay, and just life. You know, taller you are, it takes you longer to be coordinated. Okay. Right. You know, you go watch, you know, McCronin in seventh grade up the same size, right?

You know, versus some other kid, it's all arms and legs. It's just going to take them time. Okay. It takes big guys longer for their coordination to catch up to their size. That's just, and that's been going on forever. So, you know, Zach, in his case, I'm sure it's the same thing. It's just taking time. It's taking hard work.

Then in his case, I think he said, he really worked on his diet, his conditioning. Yeah. You know, Matt Payne is. He looks more cut. He much more. Matt's a friend of mine, you know, he wasn't going to get, it's a great example, you know, for staying in school. you know, everybody now wants to say, well, this guy, everything's the microwave society. Right.

You got to give people a chance to develop as a player. That's right. You know, give him a chance. I mean, you know, look what's happened. Now he's going to be a lottery pick maybe. I mean, I don't know if you've looked. I mean, the boards have him all the way up. I saw the one was at 13 maybe.

Oh, I had him at 17 last time. There you go. Well, he was like not drafted to 50 last year. No, when I watched him, I thought he was slow, and I didn't think for his size he was dominant enough close. Now he's completely dominated up close. Okay, look at Donovan Klingin who's going to play tonight. Yeah. Okay, he could go probably going to go top five now. Right?

Last year he came off the bench. They played Adamo Senogo as a starter. So you got to get, but bigger guys, to your original question. Yeah, the longer, taller you are. It's very rare that those kind of guys are coordinated and polished as a younger player. Very, very rare. Yeah.

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For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is, you know, the psychology of Zach E. I always, you know, he was 610 in the 8th grade. And I always had this feeling that some bigs were a little socially awkward because they were bigger than their teachers. And like Kareem was very shy. And you've seen, like a guy that's a lot of guards have had big personalities. Like they were the athlete, they were good looking. The girls liked them.

the guys, and then you're seven feet. Very rare. Embed, huge personality. But it is interesting. When you recruit Biggs, is it a different recruiting process than a point guard? Oh, yeah. I think you're, you named a few Shaq. Joe M.

B's got, you know, he's an outgoing guy. A lot of guys, I think it's easy to become introverted because imagine. Such a unique. Well, people just staring at you. I mean, you know, imagine, I've been. very fortunate developed relationship with Kareem. Yes. Okay, you being the coach at UCLA.

I mean, he's told me some things and shared with me some things from his youth because I'm fascinated and I'm a history guy. Yeah. Now, I know he's the best basketball player. I want to know about, you know, how it was to be him. Yeah. And it's just, you know, what you go through with people just staring at you. How's the, you know, how's the weather up there?

It's like, really did you come up with that all by yourself? I mean, can you imagine being that guy that has to listen to that every time you get in an elevator? Yeah. So I think it causes some of those. kids to maybe go you know become introspective and quiet which is not good for your basketball development for your athletic development you need to be confident you know you should you can't have your shoulders slouch so you

know I think again it as you get more comfortable with your size and who you are as a person and accept that you're just taller than everybody and even though people look at you because of that you you become a better player as you it translates I like what I I hear Zach Eadie on the mic. I like him. Oh, yeah. He's got just enough attitude.

He's just enough of a smart aleck that he's social. But who was he four years ago? You know, it was really. That's right. You know, that's why, you know, there's such a rush to try to, the guy comes into college. Is he a pro or not? Well, hold on. Everybody's not LeBron James.

You know, let a guy develop, first of all, let a boy become a man. Right. When the boy becomes a man, he's going to be a better. player because he knows not only he knows more about the game he knows more about rest he knows more about what he should be focusing on but it's just you know that's the world we're in with the microwave society

so john calipari goes to arkansas it's obviously it's a duke carolina kansas you got to win you got to win pretty quickly but you would inherit some good players john can recruit his butt off um what do you make of uh part of why i like SEC football is they're crazy

part of what makes Kentucky one of the top three jobs they're a little nuts well they're a fan base is second to none period let's just you know I grew up 60 miles from there what if they called you tomorrow if they called me tomorrow

be their coach I turn left on sunset that's a good answer yeah yeah we leave here I'm going to the Grand Havana room at Beverly Hills with your boss Mark Silverman to watch the game tonight that's a good yeah I mean you know but no in all serious

it's we talked about this last time you know the jobs can be some of these jobs are the expectations are so high incredible that the magnitude of the job you can't feed the beast forever you know and when you build the beast early and John did he had unbelievable success and when you can't repeat that it's it's really hard it's just a hard existence so my you know my guess would be that basically it was was just time for change was his mind. You know, his mindset.

I mean, I read something this morning about he's friends with the Tyson chicken guy. I mean, that's all speculation. I mean, it's all speculation. But you do that. That job is, it is. You have to give up chunks of your life. There you go. And it's pretty normal in our business that basically, if you're going to be a college coach,

it's really hard for people outside of our business, for former players or NBA guys. They can't understand it like yesterday I had a Zoom call. you know, an hour and a half on a Sunday. Then I had one of my players over because he's from Spain and I had to make him birthday dinner because he's sitting here by himself turning 19. Then I've already had a Zoom call before I drove here. You know, like it's just your normal is the work all the time

as the college goats and everything else is secondary. That's just like, so those are the guys that tend to be successful in our business. It's just your normal that your life is secondary. But that job is really different than any other job. It really is. I mean, it just is because of the fan base and no pro sports. You get that southern tribal passion. It was the last region to get pro sports.

So college is. Well, they don't have it. College is bigger than pro. Well, there is no pro in Kentucky. There are no pro sports in the state of Kentucky. Now, unless you want to count the Reds AAA team in Louisville. Yeah, so it's the show. And has been.

That's the other thing about. college about tradition. It has been the only other basketball team in that state that's ever played besides Kentucky or Louisville as the Kentucky colonels of the ABA. Yeah, I remember. As artist Gilmore or something like that, there was Dan Issel. Yeah, I mean, I was young, man.

I'm old. You're not that much older than me. Great seeing you again. Always a pleasure. I appreciate you having me. Make Silberman pick it up. He's got a big budget. That's right. Silverman, you're buying tonight. Endless stream of revenue at Fox. Everybody knows that. Jay Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the heard-line news. You're going to make fun of me because I know ABA teams. I think it was a... I was going to say, how did you know who played for them? Oh, come on. ABA was...

How old are you? 60. I'm 60. You look like you're my... I'm 52. You do not look 60, bro. Sit up some cliff bars. Should we just scrap the news?

Sit up some clip bars. Living in L.A. helps. It doesn't hurt. Hey, should we just do 70s sports trivia between you two? You want to go... You got me out of here, right? I can name... Cincinnati Reds, I can go through the whole roster in 76.

Well, that I can because I grew up in Cincinnati. Backup catcher was Bill Plummer. Raleigh Eastwick. Sorry to bore everybody. The fact that you know the backup catcher is that strong. All right, go hang out with a silver. I mean, that is strong or troubling. I don't know.

Back up. Jay Mack, take it away. Yeah, all right. So let's start in the NFL draft. Caleb Williams, we know he's a lock to go number one. But after that, TBD, some people have drinks. Drake May is the number two quarterback off the board. That's my call.

Others, like NFL analyst Merrill Hage, says no, not so fast on Drake May. Drake May's kind of player gets you fired. Especially you draft him in the top five, you know, top three, you know, he's going to get you fired. His last game, the NC State game, was the most embarrassing display I've ever seen from a guy who's supposed to be an elite franchise quarterback. People think his athleticism will translate. but people want him to run and they'll bust him up he is not athletic enough

to avoid. I mean he doesn't get down to learn how to do that. He won't last until week 10. Man. Well, Merrill Hodge is putting it out there. Oh, of course he is. Yeah, he wants to get his name out there. Oh, Drake May's garbage. That's what is that's what he's saying. He's like, stop it, come on. By the way, you do know one of these guys is going

to bust. Why isn't it Drake May? He's throwing a dart. He doesn't, has no clue if Drake May is going to be able. Nobody does. Nobody knew Patrick Mahomes. We're going to be the greatest guy ever at number 10. Nobody. Well, if you see things and Merrill sees things, and he's called out guys before, he was one of the guys that said you can't draft Johnny Mansell.

You can't draft him. A little different. Manzell went, what, 20-something? I mean, come on. I think if you look at film, you can see things that don't work. Merrill Hodges' record, he's been right a lot. Just let me know when you're ready to go on record that you want nothing to do with Drake Bay, and he's going to be a career backup.

Just let me know when you're doing that. because we will chalk it up. Wes will pull it for social. You'll get your pants pulled down. Man, can you imagine going to lunch with one of our execs? They bring out the corporate card. I don't get invited to those. Maybe you do.

I don't get invited to those. I barely get coffee in the break room. You kidding me? Mick Cronin just stops by and gets lunch and everything. Let's get to someone much more famous than you and I, Russell Wilson. His off-season program is underway in Pittsburgh. According to tight end, Pat Pryermuth, key and receivers

Calvin Austin and Van Jefferson were part of a joint session with Russ Oh nice Like that I was just down there in San Diego With him working out and throwing routes So he's been great At talking through

I'm talking to guys And starting to build that connection And he's a great guy You can tell the drive And the termination that he has To win and come to Pittsburgh and win some playoff games for us So which was always

Great to be a part of and I think he's going to fit our coach in our locker room really well. I think Russ is excited to go from Judy and Sutton to Van Jefferson and Calvin Austin? All I know is Russell Wilson in a Steeler jersey is going to be interesting looking. For seven weeks until Fields takes it. Oh, boy. All right. Well, that's how you see it.

You also think Drake May is going to pop. Boy, Drake. Yes, Drake May will pop. Rookie of the year. Lock it up. Go ahead. Rookie of the year. Let me know what the odds are.

I'll just go put it. Well, I mean, if it happened, I wouldn't be shocked because when I first saw him, I thought he looked like Justin Herbert. That was my first take when I watched him. I'm like, I'll say Justin Herbert. And Justin Herbert's great. Final story as a team I've been trying to tell you about, Colin. The Dallas Mavericks.

Luca and Kairie went off yesterday, combining for 85 points as they came back from 22 down to beat the Rockets in overtime. Dallas is climbing. They were a playing team. now they're fifth setting up a third-round rematch, or a third-time rematch with the L-A. Clippers. And by the way, I know you guys might have done it last week, and I was out on spring break.

What's going on with Kauai Leonard? Because if he ain't there, Luca will tear these guys up. Luca and Kyrie will destroy the clippers. We have always known Luke is a machine, but the fact that Kyrie playing with a guy that's that ball-centric is happy, is encouraging. Because this was a big swing. My first take when it happened was, oh, I get them rolling the dice on this,

and then I looked, you know, pie in the face because it didn't work for about a year. But now it is what I thought initially it could have been, which is, oh, they'll be wildly fun, limited defensively. But the truth is now they're playing good defense. So if I asked you, in the West, after the Nuggets, if somebody besides the Nuggets had to make the finals, who would you take? Lakers. What? I know. Lakers.

They won like 9 to 10 or something like that. They're good. They play tomorrow. They play the Warriors. Watch out. Also, I know we don't talk about this team, but the paper clips. This Kauai Leonard situation hasn't played in a while. It's a knee.

They're not saying much. The last time they didn't say much, it was like, oh, Kauai's got an ACL. He's out. Like, we don't know what's going on. They're not getting out of the first round, by the way, if Kauai doesn't play. I don't know how serious it is because they're being quiet. You can't build around Kauai. An enigma.

You can't build around odd. There's nothing wrong. Kyrie Irving two years ago was super odd. I mean, he totally knew that Brooklyn team. The COVID changed a lot of people. People that were rational became irrational during COVID. So I haven't seen a deep dive on it, but what has changed with Kyrie Irving? Why is he suddenly locked in and playing well as a clear Robin to Luka?

First of all, they're winning. Winning helps. Going on a road trip and you win four or five. It helps. Secondly, he's getting his looks. He's getting credit for being part of it. He doesn't have to be, his defense isn't being. called out because others are picking up the slack.

So everything's kind of working in his favor. He's getting his looks, his shots, his points. And by the way, Luca gets all the pressure if they lose. Nobody's blaming Kyrie when they lose. It's a fair point. Luca takes the hit. So remember, Jalen Brunson and Luca went to the conference finals a couple years ago, against the Warriors and they lost.

Jalen Brunson moves on. I don't see why Kyrie can't be in the Jalen Brunson mold. Hey man, we need you to get a bucket. Luca's off. Lucas is struggling. Lucas hurt. Kyrie can take over. I like this Maps team.

I don't know how much you want to put on it, but Navs in the finals, I think that's certainly in play. Not even a long shot. In play. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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We're going to be talking sports, of course. but we're also going to talk life and relationships. And if Rich and I are arguing about something or we didn't have enough time, it will continue on our after show called Overpromised. Well, if you don't get enough, Kavino and Rich, make sure you check out OverPromise. And also, uncensored, by the way. So maybe we'll go at it even a little harder. It's going to be the best after show podcast of all time.

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Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win.

A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined.

And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking.

What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple. podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So I thought a total eclipse of the sport, we have the solar eclipse today. Are you wearing? I saw, I went and saw it.

It was very fascinating. Hello, people. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you 10 athletes that all of them eclips the popularity of their sport. All of the 10 did. But in some level of order of just how big they were, are you ready? So number 10, I'll give it to Lance Armstrong. We don't watch cycling.

He won seven consecutive tour to France's. But the ratings jumped 43% when he was on, when he came out of retirement. So this is somebody that literally changed, like Caitlin Clark, changed the ratings significantly. And since he's left among cycling purists, it's still a thing, but not really discussed. Number nine would be Usain Bolt. To give you an example of how big he was. He made $30 million in endorsements in 2016, just one year. I mean, I don't know who the fastest person in the world is.

I don't know most of my life who the fastest person in the world is. Usain Bolt eight-time Olympic gold medalist. A number eight, Sean White. Does anybody understand basically the X-Games exist because of the sport exists, largely on TV, the X-Games because of Sean White? every year he competed record ratings. Very rarely can you say, yeah, this sport would not get on television

without an athlete. He'd be at number eight. I think seven is Mike Tyson. What's boxing been since he left? Whether you like him or not, Tyson is one of the most feared athletes ever. He was in the movie Hangover. He began his career with 19 straight knockouts, and when Mike left, the sport left.

I mean, not dipped. It felt like it left. left. Number six, Caitlin Clark. Double the rating of the other Final Four matchup. So college women have been getting decent numbers for a while and growing numbers for years. You've had multiple dynasties, Tennessee, Pat Summitt, Yukon, but to double triple numbers, her first nine games at Iowa were not even televised. So she's pretty big deal. Number five, Tony Hawk. He made $1.4 billion in sales for his video game.

That's how big Tony Hawk was. $1.4 billion he drove. 16 times. He was in X-Games. Ten times he was a gold medal. 16 times. But again, a guy that was able to move merchandise

at a level that is only surpassed by a handful of American athletes ever. 1.4 billion plus in video game sales, Tony Hop. Number four, Michael Phelps, I couldn't name the second most popular swimmer of my life. Mark Spitz, 23 gold medals.

He kind of, I'll be honest with you, he didn't just carry swimming. He carried entire Olympics, ratings-wise. If you go back to the Michael Phelps Olympics, essentially he was disgusted about every other sport. He won gold in Beijing in every event he took place in. And again, was literally a guy that carried the Olympics. Number three, Wayne Gretzky, not only did the L.A. Kings see a massive jump in attendance and ratings, won the NHL MVP nine times, appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated when it mattered a dozen times.

I think Wayne Gretzky, I don't think the sports ever really, it's had basically there's pre-Gretzky, the Gretzky era, post-Gretzky. I think he carried the sport. Many people believe women's college basketball will continue to thrive. I don't think hockey's ever been as big without him. Number two is Tiger Woods. He changed the image of golf, the athleticism, how he felt. More than 13 years. Think about that, J. Mack.

More than 13 years as the number one golfer on the planet. He was so popular, just his golf ball. Forget the club, his golf ball. They made $103 million in profit. the Tiger Woods golf ball. He drove merchandise for 15 years. Number one,

I don't think there's anybody close, Michael Jordan. Last year, $6 billion in brand revenue. So, Jordan, I mean, the NBA lost 50% of its ratings and had like 10-year great run-up TV ratings,

lost half. The minute he left. Likeability, invincibility, nothing like MJ ever. I do feel like MJ and Tiger are kind of in their own class. And then you have the other eight who were clearly popular, but when you look at Tony Hawk,

people forget Tony Hawk in skateboarding drove billions of dollars for a decade and more in revenue. 1.4 billion just on the video game. Were you ever a skateboard guy? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. We had a long driveway. After you fall a couple times and rip up. Because back then, we didn't have all the, I had a skateboard. We didn't have like knee pads. And so you fall on a cement. There weren't even helmets, I don't think, when I was a kid. Not when I did it.

I didn't skateboard. Not my bag. I did. And I was tall. No skateboarding for me? I was a skier and a skateboarder. I wasn't a great skateboarder. I'm not a great skier.

You're doing like half pipes or, I don't know. No. I don't have the terminology. I'm kidding. I would say. Sean White, the X games, he carried him. He was a big deal, yeah. They're actually, the X games is something I don't watch regularly,

but when it's on, it's pretty fun. It's kind of crazy. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, what people can do. You'd be, you're a little shorter. You'd be great at that stuff. I actually played soccer Sunday for the first time in a while. Got a soccer tournament coming up.

Adults. Two goals and an assist, no big deal. That's what I do. Weren't you playing in the over 60 league, though? There were some older guys there, but, I just like cardio and competing. I like the lift, throw weights around. That's me.

I'm different. Okay, so I got Yukon tonight. A, nine points. Close game. They lead by two at half. Wear them down. Going to run. Zach Ead is effective,

but not as dominant. And Yukon sighs over the course of a game, wears down. I'll go Yukon by 12 plus. You know they've won 11 straight tournament games by double digits. Like, the last 16 games, 14 and 2 against a spread. They're just killing people.

I don't know, man. This team's a juggernaut. They're almost undervalued in terms of like what people think about them. They are. Like, it's funny. A lot of great teams, the Kansas City Chiefs with Mahomes, have never been a great double digit favorite. They don't cover.

And then you get these teams where people keep doubt. I've been watching people on the internet for a month, doubt you con. Yeah. Folks, two years in a row, they're beating everybody by 23 points. Remember what I doubted them when you said in your bracket, you caught? I was like,

Auburn, keep an eye on Auburn. Chalk. Yeah, I like chalk. They're chalky. All right. See you tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both

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