The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - NBA

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

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greatness does. Even compared to the losing Celtics, I feel like I get chemistry, commitment, both ends of the floor, versatile players. That model is sustainable. Here's the model that's not sustainable. The one Kevin Durant now is trying to orchestrate. Kyrie Irving, Ben Simmons, James Hardin, the three guys in the league, the biggest disappointments in the league, are Kyrie, a KD teammate. James Hardin was a KD teammate and Ben Simmons, who's nobody's teammate because he never plays. So I've said this.

For young people out there, there is a really interesting moment to grab here and fundamentally understand. The path you choose in life and the people, you choose in life will matter more than your talent. Kevin Durant's a talent. He can't get out of the first round of the Eastern Conference. Forget the Superior Western Conference. He can't get out of the first round of the Eastern Conference. Because he chose a path and the wrong people.

And I'm a huge KD fan. And again, again, everybody, I've said this. I think I'm the only media member in the country that's acknowledged this was an egregiously bad choice. This is Mahomes going to the Jets because he wants to play with a friend. Andy Reed, Tyree, Travis, what? And I feel bad for him because I think KD really is an adult and he's committed to winning and I love watching him play. I think the playoffs are better when he's there.

But I've watched the last two years and whether it's coaching letting him down or its teammates letting him down, KD gives you a commitment before the games, during the games, offensive end, defensive end. He really does commit to the defensive end. I feel bad for him. And you start looking at Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons and James Hardin and you stack them up against the Warriors and they look silly. They just look silly.

And when you look at the commitment by Steph Curry, Andre Aguadala talked about it last night. He's just a different level guy. This one holds a lot of weight just because of, you know, all the shots, you know, each championship they threw at us, you know, or particularly they threw at Steph. You know, the finals MVP on the first one. And then, you know, Katie, probably best player in the world, you know, trying to say that was unfair.

And then you go a year where you win, what, they went 15 games. More anything, Steph. You know, I think he solidified himself today, you know, as not even today, just his career as the best point guard of all time. Well, in my life, the best point guard I ever saw was Magic Johnson. But what Steph has over Magic, he's a much better score. I think he's actually, they were, neither one was elite as a defender. But, you know, staff's getting to a point now where there's not much room at Mount Rushmore with M.J. LeBron, Magic, and Kareem. But, I mean, that's about the last thing to vanquish.

Like, that's it. I don't think he's the best point guard I've ever seen. That remains Magic Johnson. But you stack up a couple more championships and at least we could talk about it. But, you know, it all starts, as Steve Kerr has said, it doesn't start with Steph's shooting. It starts with his humanity, his humility, his commitment on both ends of the floor. Remember, Steph could have left a couple years ago. I suggested that.

I thought Clay was too hurt. Draymond was too old. They were getting too expensive. What was the next wave of young players? He has proven me wrong and a lot of critics wrong. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but in

Encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way,

this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment,

And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because, of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

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Well, Jemond Green is now a four-time NBA champion after last night's win over Boston, and he continues to be a championship level trash talker as well. Prior to game six, J-Mahmos spotted wearing an all-black outfit. walking the halls of TD Garden. Yes. And people were asking if there was any, you know, kind of vibe behind this fit. Symbolism. And this morning, he confirmed the reason behind it,

saying he was wearing all black for a funeral. That's funny. Which is convenient, obviously, when you get the win. But, you know, you have to manifest these things as well. Dremon, Dremont got the last laugh last night. There was a lot of questions about Dremont throughout this series. were they winning in spite of him? Did they need more offense from him?

He was great last night. Was the podcast of distraction to the championship? He was so good last night. He was great last night. There were long stretches that he was the catalyst of that. I mean, he was doing it. He was great, and he was knocking down threes, which is not what he normally does. I love the moment Breen goes.

He's on fire. And what do you say? And Van Gunny's like, one three for Draymond does not mean you're on fire. Can we have a new rule? I mean, for Draymond, it is. You got to get that confidence, knock one down. I really enjoyed last night. I'm enjoying this championship for the Warriors.

Yeah, they're a good guy. I like dynasties. I like greatness. I like when people do things the right way despite the fact that the narratives would say otherwise. I know everyone's very, very, very jealous, and I get it. They're not buying their team. No.

I mean, look, from fans' perspective, okay, like fans are going to complain about what they complain about. That's fine. I don't mind when fans get attached to narratives that aren't really reality. It's annoying. But like, look, the Cowboys have won three playoff games in 25 years. Somehow their fan base still thinks you're going to win a Super Bowl every single year. It's fascinating.

But cool. That's what you're supposed to do as a fan. What bothers me is when the media does it. Yeah, they're not buying the team. So don't push that agenda because you personally don't like big cities or guys with lots of money. It's annoying. It's not true. How else are you supposed to do business if you don't do it the way that Golden State does business? And I said this yesterday. What I believe the NBA should do is the players you draft and develop should not count against your salary cap.

No, I don't, I think they should count against a salary cap. I don't think that you should have to pay a luxury tax if you continue to resign them. That's good. That's good. I like that. So they can't put no luxury tax. That's what everyone's complaining about is that it's like it's not really a hard cap if you can just keep paying into the luxury tax, which obviously Golden State is doing to keep this team. team together. But when you drafted Steph seventh overall, when you drafted Clay Thompson 11th overall, when you drafted Draymond Green in the second round, when you drafted all these other role players that are contributing and then you want to reward them and keep them in house, why should you be penalized for that? And that's where the narrative is coming from that they're like just writing a check to keep it together. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. And the only

pushback would be Andrew Wiggins, who nobody wanted. Yeah. So if people are mad at the way that Golden State does business, I just want to know who they're pointing to. to that does business better than they do. Nobody. Nobody. So with the finals over, free agency begins June 30th. There are very few things in sports

quite as fun as the NBA off season in free agency. There's been a lot of time on social media following breadcrumbs. And you just talked about James Hardin. He's going to be a big question. What is Philadelphia going to do? And is he going to command a max extension? Philly ownership is resistant to the idea of giving him a max

reports indicate that Hardin would like to return on a short-term contract extension instead, which I wouldn't hate a short-term contract. A long-term max contract with James Harden makes me nervous. Nervous. It'd make me more than nervous. He's expected to pick up his $47.4 million player option for 2022. In 21 games in the regular season, the average 21 points on 40% shooting 10.5 assists and 7.1 rebounds. However, the postseason was a different conversation. And you're not really paying James Hardin for the regular season. You're paying him to be big and big games. And that's really what the question is for me. This team with Embed and Out Hardin would make the playoffs. I still content. I really like their roster. I like

I do too. I like Thibble for what his role is. Tobias Harris. I thought Embed was the MVP this year. Maxi, I think is becoming a star. I think Maxi this year is going to fight for a playoffs or an all-star selection. I think he's becoming a big time player. Well, the USFL is heading into the final week of the regular season as we prepare for the playoffs. And the league just announced their 2022 all USFL team. The New Jersey generals led the way with seven total selections after winning eight straight games to tie the Birmingham Stallions for the best record. And the six and three New Orleans breakers featured the second most players on the list. It is the final weekend of the regular season this weekend tomorrow. The Birmingham Stallions look to get ready for the playoffs against

the Tampa Bay Bandits at 4 Eastern on Fox. And then on Sunday, the New Orleans Breakers and the Houston gamblers play at 830 Eastern on FS1, and that is tomorrow and Sunday on Fox and FS1, and that is the all-USFL selection for the inaugural season of the USFL. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News. The Dollar Shave Club 6 racers, smooth shaves, stainless steel blades.

Go to Dollar Shave.com or in stores. Well, he's a basketball hall to fame, or he's a 7-5. time all NBA first team, 15 years in the league, a two-time scoring champ. He's got his own basketball league now, the one's basketball league. Tracy McGrady is gracing us today on a Friday. That is nice in studio. T-Mack is stopping by. We do not get people like Tracy McGrady on a Friday to just stop by our show.

It's great to see you. You know, I said this before the finals. I love Steph Curry. And I said, I'm sorry, I don't need him to win another award to validate his. impact. I love him. I love what he's about. I love, I just love his selflessness, his IQ, his leadership. I think he's a good dude. He could have left, by the way, a couple years ago. But a lot of people disagree with me. They're like, he's got to do this to be this. How do you feel about Steph before last night and after? Is there a shift for you on how you view him? Yeah, I think he solidified

his self as, if not top 10, he's knocking on that door after last night. Because you've got to understand, those guys that are in top 10, these guys are multiple final MVP's, all NBA, first team, multiple times, regular season MVP's. And Steph Curry, the only thing that was missing out of his resume was the finals MVP. Right. So now he has that. And I think that was the knock on him, right and even for me like if you're going to put him in that class with magic johnson's and the elites of the elites yeah he had to win a final MVP for me to consider him in that class with those guys i thought this team i didn't see him as a finals team for one reason tracy i thought their young players were too young this year yes okay so this is what i thought i thought moody's not ready

pool's not ready kaminga's not ready wiseman's not ready so the bench won't be as good and they're old guys, Iggy, Steph, Clay, Dremont, one's coming off an injury, one's older. So I thought they're a little too old here and a little too young here. Generally, you have to have about three guys in their prime athletically, Shaq and Kobe in their prime, M.J. Pippin in their prime. And not a lot of guys in their prime here. They're just a year away or a year past it or three years. So I am shocked.

When the season started, did you think this would be the conclusion? Yes. I stated this last year. I said if Clay was to come back healthy, Golden State was going to win a championship. Now, during the playoffs, I changed my pick. When I watched Boston go through the Eastern Conference, I was like, Boston has the team to match up with Golden State

to be able to beat these guys. So I think I took Boston in six. But going back to last year and beginning the season, if Clay was to be healthy, Dre was to be healthy, Steph would be healthy, I had them to win a championship. Are you disappointed today in Jason Tatum? I wouldn't say disappointed. The guy is 24 years old.

He never played on this level. He's going against a team that has all the experience in the world. And good defenders. And great defenders, right? So to me, this is a learning experience for him. And I stated this earlier. He needs to go back and watch these six games on how he can get better and learn from this. And hopefully he could get back next year and be better on this stage.

But I wouldn't say disappointed. I mean, he's going against a great team with great experience. Well, and I also think, and I said this to start the show, it's a little unfair. Whereas the Warriors have a lot of players that can do things better than Steph can. Wiggins is a more athletic, twitchier. Drayman's the pure defender. Clay's the spot-up shooter. Looney's the rebounder.

With Tatum, they asked him to do a lot. A lot. They asked him, hey, initiate the offense. Well, he's not a great ball hand. And Marcus Smart's not a true point. So I thought the longer the series went and the longer the series went and the longer the playoffs went, I thought he was a little gas last night. And because I think they asked him, I think they needed another shooter, a buddy healed,

and I think they need a pure point. That's, well, that's exactly what they need. They need a pure point guard. They need someone like a Brockton and a Brunson. Someone that doesn't turn the ball over can control the pace. Initiate the offense, right? When things are out of control, he can kind of get everybody in their right spots, get quality shots.

I think you look at games. last night. The game playing was great. Post up, Steph, let's try to make him work, let's play inside out. When Golden State gets to making all those threes, now you're trying to keep up with them and you start playing like Golden State,

but you don't have that personnel. You can't play that way. That's right. And I think that's where they got in trouble. They reverted back to taking Ili-Va shots, turning the ball over, and that's a recipe for disaster, and you can't do that against a team like this. Yeah, it's I thought they're half-court offense.

Jeff Van Gundy said this. He goes, there's just no rhythm. No rhythm. It's just, you know, one of the things I like about Draymond, and I got a little podcast network and he's on it. So I've, Dreymond and I talk, and I have great respect for him. But you know this because you played in the NBA for 15 years, is it really is important.

Most teams, even Steph and Clay are different. Steph is an initiator and a shooter. Clay is a catch and shoot guy. But it is hard. You were all high school, all Americans. You were all the best player often, not only in your, your region, but the best in your state. And you'd go to these AAU tournaments, and all of you guys in the NBA were all blank,

all something. And then you go to college, and you're the best player in your college team. Clay Thompson was easily the best player on his college team. And then you go to the NBA and they say, you're not going to be shooting much. A Bruce Bowen, a Draymond Green. It's like, well, I was the best athlete in my state. The value of understanding the self-awareness. so Draymond Green has always completely understood.

I'm the bouncer at this bar. I'm the guy in the ice with a superstar. You don't touch a superstar. Your years in the NBA, was it hard for guys to come to terms with on your teams? I'll be the one. You're going to be the two. You're going to be the three.

I can totally understand if somebody came to me in the prime of my career. Colin, you're going to be the three on the show. I'm like, well, I'm a one. I want you to talk about Drame on it. And I think that's more difficult than fans. think. It is. I think it's a mentality thing that you have to have. You got to understand what's at stake. You got to understand what's built around you. You got to stand what are the possibilities if I sacrifice, like what are the possibilities and what can we achieve if I was

to do that? The payoff. Absolutely. And I think Drayman has figured that out. He does all the dirty work. I think every team needs a Draymond green, right? From his leadership. Did you play with one? I did not. I did not. Ben Wallace was a classic. Yeah.

PJ Tucker. Didn't play with him. No. Yeah. They didn't have one. Not a lot out there. No, though. These guys don't care about a lot what Draymond does doesn't really show up on a stat sheet, right?

Like, he could have a bad guy. There have been some games in the final where Draymond has had five points. Like, he was pretty bad in the beginning of the season. Yeah. But I think the other things that he brings doesn't show up on the stat sheet. And, you know, last night, he was phenomenal. He reverted back to the old trip. He was phenomenal last night.

I thought it was one of the best games he's played in the playoffs. This year. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, this year, for sure. Yeah. He was phenomenal last year. Like, he played his role to the T last night. Yeah.

By the way, the way he, well, I'm going to get to this next with Tracy McGrady, because I want to ask you about Wiggins, a number one pick, number one recruit, number one everything, who had to play a role, that's not easy. And I thought he was an incredibly easy guy for me to root for last night. I was really rooting for Andrew Wiggins. More with T-Mack in a second. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football,

or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast.

It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs?

Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because. of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes.

I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of Mental Health Awareness Month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own

experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tript Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses.

Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth? Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing,

growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. What do you miss, Tracy McGrady about the NBA? I miss the camaraderie, man. Just, you know, the journey, getting ready for a season and just going through that with your teammates,

the bumps, the bruises, the ebbs, the flows of the NBA season, those bus rides, playing rides, competition against the greatest players in the world. I miss all of that. Most underrated player you ever had to guard or play against that didn't get a lot of pub, but he was a handful. Let me get, can I guess one? I bet you I bet.

A guy I always thought was bizarrely difficult was Tayshan Prince. Yeah, but I, I, tell you was different because left handers are always difficult to guard. Right. For me, it was Jamal Mashburn. Yeah, the second guy this week that said that. No, for real. Who was on this show that said Jamal?

Oh, was it, Antoine Walker? Somebody came on their show. Yeah, it was recently, too. And he said, Jamal was a load. Jamar was. Jamal Mashburn was a tough guard. Six, eight. Like, guys that have, like, really high skills like a luka, right?

They're not the fastest, they're not quickest. They can't really jump. Athleticism is nonexisting. But they know how to create space, right, to get their shot off, know how to use their body. And Jamal Mashburn was one of those guys. Yeah. What started you love playing against?

And you thought you got his number a couple times. Kobe. Yeah, Cobb. I mean, you're talking about one of the greatest players of all time and to compete against him and put up numbers and beat him and outdo him sometimes? It has to be him. Like, he's the ultimate competitor. He's a little trash talking.

We never talk trash with each other. Never. Not one time. He respected you. Yeah. Yeah, you dunked on him a couple times. I wouldn't say I dunked on him. But I had my fair share of, you know.

You ever drop 40 on him? No, the IS was 38. Well, that's pretty good. Yeah. I'd accept that. You started the league of the ones basketball league. So explain what it is. So we go to, we've been to six cities.

This is our last stop before we had a championship in Vegas. But what is basically is, is taking guys that still have a high level skill of basketball, high level of passion for the game of basketball. And you've got to be wired differently to play one-on-one basketball, right? To get out there, there's no help. It's just you versus the guy in front of you. But it's giving these guys an opportunity to showcase their skills.

And some of these guys are really, really skilled. And, you know, when you look at the landscape, this is a global league that we're trying to build. basketball is all over, all over the world. They play, this is, one-on-one to me is the pure essence of basketball, right? Because, I mean, we all played one-on-one when we were younger. But take UFC, for an example, right? We didn't know who the fighters were on a U.S. until they got on a UFC platform. That's right.

And now they're stars, mega-stars. The same I want to do for these guys, you know, with basketball. So consider us like the UFC of basketball, right? We just have a bunch of great young talent that's a part of our life. league that is making a name for themselves and we look to tell their stories and you have a quarter million dollar grand prize yeah so we go to six regions we take the top three guys from each region they get an invite to Vegas the number one guy from that region wins 10,000 dollars once we get our 18 guys we go to Vegas and the top player is going to win 250,000 dollars

somebody's life's going to change that day isn't that great that's awesome first of all I think this is a brilliant basketball idea thank you everybody can relate to thank you I think it's really smart and nobody's done it yet and i remember as a kid this how old i am they did horse years ago i remember that and like a lot of guys and some guys would do they'd spin the ball in their hand and guys were like i'm not going to do that shot one-on-one is the essence so i've made this argument that if you did a one-on-one tournament in the history of the NBA Durant would beat jordan Kevin Durant would be the best player he could put it on the deck Michael can't stop he's too long lebron can't stop it nobody can't

And the begs, they can't stay in front of it. No. And I'm glad you said that because the way I want to structure it, right? So thank God that we have guys that are even height. But I think when we come back, the goal for me is to have, just like fighting has weight classes. I want to have height classes because it's not, I don't want this to be a gimmick.

I don't want a 6-1-62 guard going up against a 6-10. Robert Williams. Right, like that's not fair. I don't want it. see that. Right, right. I want guys to be, I want an even level plan feel of height. And so I think that's what we're going to create for next season. And we also adding the women in for next season as well. You are. Oh yeah. We got to add the women in. It's called the ones basketball league. Again, winner of each region takes home 10 grand. Finals in Vegas, which will be $250,000.

You know, I was saying this, basketball, this is one, I love the NBA. And, I'm kind of an NFL NBA guy. And nothing against baseball or other stuff, but that's what I love. And I grew up with the Sonics and the Blazers and I, Spencer Haywood and Jerry West and all those guys. Here's my one knock on the basketball culture in America is that we demonize college basketball. And in football, it's understood. We're going to make you a better person and a football player. You're going to go to college.

You're going to be hard coached. You're going to hang out with kids for three years from Asia, kids that are small, short, tall, different languages, and you're going to grow as a person. And so by the time you get to the pros, like you're an adult, like you've experienced different things. What bothers me about basketball sometimes, it's all about he's good, let's get him paid. And I'm like, time out, time out. I want to see emotional growth.

Right. Because you get to the NBA and you can't drink at the bar. And that's, so you know the basketball culture. You've taught that. And I think to myself, when I watch the Celtics, when I watch the bucks, when I see the Warriors, those guys are adults. They're hard coached. They're committed.

They're great teammates. A lot of those guys went to college. Taden went to college. I mean, he started looking at, Steph went multiple years. Dray Ma Wantman. Clay went multiple years. And that bothers me that we've demonized college basketball. It's bad.

Go get paid at the G League. Am I off base? How does that land for you? I can understand your point. I got a rebuttal for that. Okay. You go back to my era, like starting 1995, Kevin Garnett, high school.

Yeah. 1996, Kobe Bryant, high school. 97. Trace McGrady, high school, right? 2003, arguably one of the greatest players of all time. LeBron James, high school. The next year, Dwight Howard, a monster for eight years. High school.

Amari Stardma, high school. Like, guys that didn't go to college had a huge. huge impact on the NBA. Like they were the face of the NBA. So I can understand what you're saying. Most of the guys, Tim Duncan, Grant Hill, four years of college, some of the greatest basketball player. I think if you have the talent to come to bypass high school, I mean college and go to the

pros, that's why they have scouts. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I just, I don't have, if you're, if you can go high school to pro, I don't have a problem with it. What I don't like is this constant college basketball is bad. the G League overseas. It's like, I don't know who Zion is without college basketball. Well, Zion was a monster in high school. I know, but I don't watch YouTube clip. Joy literally, she knows all these players when they're 12. But I mean, I guess my point is,

I love some. Some guys need college basketball, not for the physical capabilities, I think, for the mental maturation process. I agree with doing that. Coming out of high school or, you know, leaving high school, going across Cs for a year, or going into the G League, and then trying to make that jump to the NBA. Like, some guys need two, three years of college. I agree. They do, because they're just not mature enough to come on that level. The idea that I could be an NBA player at 19.

I mean, I'm seriously. I don't think I grew up until I was 32. It's just, I think we asked a lot of our basketball players. For sure, for sure. Go be a pro. Whoa. Whoa. All right.

Home should be the safest place for all of us. Go to SimplySafe, colin.com. 20% off interactive monitoring. Okay, it's called the ones basketball league. Now, if I want to join this, what do I do? OBLhoops.com. We have OBL hoops, Instagram, we have Twitter.

We have every social media platform. But go to OBLhoops.com. OBLhoops.com. And I cannot watch videos? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Send in your video, Colin. Let me vet you.

Let me see what you got. I need Joy. Get him in the gym, post, you know, post some footage. 10 minutes of you shooting around. You know, I might include you. I'm 58. I might give you a gold token. Do we have a, uh, a vodka soda?

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