The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - NBA Competition Problem, Bill Belichick

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

Doug talks about how the NBA has a competition problem as shown by the All Star Game. Bill Belichick isn't getting a NFL job, but it's not because of age discrimination. Eddie House joins the show and Doug asks him how you get NBA players to play hard for the All Star Game. #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, you're sending to me now on social media. I can see it. It's interesting, you know, like I almost feel like this weekend. This weekend is one where we're giving respect to the NBA All-Star weekend, and maybe we shouldn't. You know, it's like the college games were all over yesterday, by like was it six o'clock local time in California

UCLA lost in a buzzer shot to Utah and that just happened to coincide you know with the middle to end of the All-Star game like we don't want to get in with the All-Star game and it's President's Day weekend but it's the first non-NFL weekend and the NBA had a great chance to take center stage especially with the Daytona 500 being postponed

which is it's going on now He had no competition. You're running unopposed. Adam Silver had said, hey, I think we're going to see a good game when he spoke about the effort and competitiveness. Larry Bird, Larry Joe Bird, had the hicc from French lick.

He's from Indiana. He went to Indiana. Then he went to Indiana State. He coached the Pacers. Like, he's Mr. Indiana basketball. He had this to say about the game before the game. The one thing I would really like to see is they play hard tonight.

tonight in this All-Star game. I think it's very important when you have the best players in the world together. You've got to compete and you've got to play hard. And you got to show the fans how good they really are.

And it's almost like disdain for competition. And I was just texting with my son. And he's like, yeah, dad, but you want to be the only? only guy playing hard on defense? Nobody wants to be the only guy playing hard. And I was like, well, when you're the only guy that does the right thing,

do you know what that's called? That's called leadership. That's called leadership. It's obvious whose fault this is. It's only one guy. Sorry, it's LeBron James. What happens on your watch as the leader of the league, you become ultimately responsible for.

And LeBron's not the best player in the league. He's not really close anymore. Why should he be? He's 39 years old. He's way closer than anybody else has been at 39, but he's not. But he's still without any question the biggest name in the game. He's the all-time NBA scoring leader. He's won more MVP's than anybody in that game.

He's won more at championships, I believe, than anybody in that game. Is anybody else one four? He's in any conversation of the greatest players of all time. I personally think Jordan's the best of all time but you know look you're allowed to think whatever you want to think but the point is that it isn't any question

it's still LeBron's league he's still and he takes no ownership of this none zero because I guarantee if LeBron plays hard demands that others

play hard some will and I didn't watch a lot of it I watched more than I usually do just because it was on. And, you know, I flipped over. Then Tombstone was on. It was during a commercial break. And I flipped back on. I've seen the, actually, not Tombstone.

Yellowstone was on. And it was actually an episode of Yellowstone, which I must have missed. Anyway, point being, I flipped it back. And 30 seconds, 45 seconds, maybe a minute stretch. And I'm watching them. And I'm like, it's not that they're not playing as hard as they could. they're not playing hard at all. It's just a joke.

And then when you compound it with Jalen Brown, Celtic Star, who signed the new Supermax deal for CBN, we combine it with what Jalen Brown had to say about this rule where you have to play 65 games to win an MVP award. Take a listen. I do believe that if you win any type of award, I think you should have to play a significant amount of the season. Like, we've got guys to play half the season and win MVP.

I'm not a big fan of that. But maybe 65 games might be a little too severe. Maybe they lessen it to 58 or something like that or something a little bit less. 65 is a little bit tough. But I definitely think that to win awards, you should play the majority of the games. Yeah, I want to get paid more.

I want to play as little as possible, but just as much to make it look I play like a lot. Which, by the way, is not what they're doing. the NBA, right? They're not in the NBA, All-Star game. They're not doing as little they can, but to make it look like they're playing hard. They're not even trying. And the worst part about it is

it's a business weekend for all these guys. They make appearances, they make them as sponsors, but it's also a business weekend for the NBA. They're trying to get their next media partner deal done. That's what actually pays their bills. But you know,

some people can't take a compliment. Jay Stu, how are you with compliments. If I compliment you, like, wow, you know, you really, really dressed well today. Like, how are you with compliments? I think the first thing I think about is I'm going to say something self-deprecating. Like, I own almost immediately. So I don't think I'm very good at it. I think I could improve on that. Okay. I think a lot of people aren't great with compliments. They don't know what to say. Thank you. You always, when you hear a compliment, you're always like, you want to say thank you and then you want to compliment the other person. Like, you noticed like, ah, you compliment me. Now I got a

compliment you. It's a hard one. Right? It's a hard one. I think a lot of people are good with compliments. I think this generation, they're not good with honors, understanding what an honor is. And that's, it probably comes down to some of it, the participation trophy thing, the everybody's an all-star sorts of thing. But it's weird. Guys freak out about being not named an all-star. Then they are named an all-star and they don't seem to want to give any sort of all-star effort. Isn't that amazing? It's the weirdest thing. It's like a generation of people who take the honor of something for granted, for granted.

And I can't blame them. I have to blame us. They're like, we're the adults now. Unfortunately, we're like older and we kind of make these rules. And if you get like the only logic. I mean, the only, excuse me, the only thing that's supposed to be able to fix this is more money. Well, you know, if you pay them a million dollars, if they would, you pay them a million dollars. If they win the All-Star game, they'll play hard.

Okay, wait, wait, so the in-season tournament, which is the same number of games they normally play, just the championship teams, this year of the Lakers, play one more game. But what we're told are told, you got to do it for more money. And I'm not sitting here asking them to play for free. they're not. They're already receiving benefits in their contracts, benefits with their sponsors for playing in an All-Star game. But there is something to the honor of being

named, being told like, hey, there's four billion males on this planet. You are one of the 24 best basketball players on this planet. So look, all we're asking you to do is play relatively hard on defense

and relatively hard on offense. and all you're getting is and I honestly think it's fair to blame LeBron because if LeBron does however he handles himself whatever he does, that's what they're going to do. That's what leadership is.

When you're willing to do something because it's the right thing and others are not. But what a mess. What a mess. I mean and then it's like well go to the skills competition that the NFL has like they have the NBA has a skills thing. It's unwatchable.

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Michael hits me up on Instagram. Did you really say no age discrimination? Bill Belichick is unemployed and half the coach has hired nobody has ever heard of. Total nonsense. If nothing else, give him two years. Again, Bill Belichick doesn't not have a job because of his age. He doesn't have a job because in order to hire Bill Belichick, okay you're going to have to

he's going to want control and it doesn't matter if many of us believe that his control over personnel was ultimately what brought them down in New England like I would tell you that of the things that brought him down to England maybe the number one thing

was he's such a good coach they were never terrible they were never terrible not said by anyone else okay in all of national sports Sports Radio. One of the greatest coaching jobs ever

done in the National Football League was the COVID year New England Patriots. What, they win seven games? They had eight opt-outs from their defense, which was the strength of their team. They lost Tom Brady. The replacement of Tom Brady was a former MVP in Cam Newton

who couldn't throw a football. He had three games. I believe they won where he had less than a hundred yards throwing. Like that is some wizardry type of stuff. But because they won so many games, they never bottomed out. They never won three games, two games

and had the number one overall pick and got to pick one of the elite quarterbacks. And while yeah, they found the most successful and arguably greatest quarterback of all time in Tom Brady, there was some luck to that.

Oh, the rest of the league, they didn't see it. The Patriots passed on him five times, they drafts him six round. By and large, most of these quarterbacks you get, a lot of them you're going to get that very first pick. Much stronger likelihood of success. But the point is that even to hire Bill Belichick, you've got to give him autonomy.

One, he's going to be expensive. Two, he wants to essentially be the GM. He wants to bring in his guys. And Atlanta, the one place that looked like they were going to hire him, there were enough people in that front office like, yeah. I didn't say that's a smart thing. thing like I would hire Bill Belichick, especially if I want to win a championship.

If I'm Dallas, I hire Bill Belichick. He knows how to do the things that Mike McCarthy apparently is not able to coach. But, I mean, age discrimination? Not really. I mean, that's not why Steve Spagnola doesn't have a job. He's had a job. It's really hard. It's really, really hard to get a head coaching job in the NFL.

There are 32 teams. There's like six or six or six. seven jobs open in a given year. And right now the trend is for offensive guys. Vic Fangio was an assistant and a defensive mastermind for like 40 years before he got a shot

and he got two years. It's actually kind of normal. It's more abnormal to get multiple opportunities. And I think a portion of it is. The younger guys also are less demanding so they're easier to hire. We'll talk some NBA with Eddie House upcoming.

First, let's get to Jason Stewart with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of the NFL, Doug, the bucks are in the news today. Wide receiver Mike Evans and quarterback Baker Mayfield, they had, let's see, they will be a part of their salary calculations moving forward as the contracts of both players voided on Monday. The team will take on around 14.5 million dollars in dead money

as a result. I'll let the salary cap geeks worry about that part. Just a question about Baker Mayfield. I think he earned a contract to likely get a long-term deal from the bucks, but I guess my question for you

is how much of an investment should they make in him? How wanted should they make him feel, Doug? Should they make who feel? Buck's quarterback, Baker Mayfield. I think this is a great question because I think Baker's, we say he's good as the underdog. The truth is like, you know, it's just too hard to pay him top of the market money.

I'm waiting for the next team to do what the Seahawks were able to do with Gino Smith. And they frankly overpaid Gino Smith this year. Next year it's like $12 million. I'm sure that means they're going to draft a guy. I mean, if he gave him two years with $25 million guaranteed up front, wouldn't that be enough? Like, how much you really have to pay Baker-Mayfield? You're giving a chance to be a starting quarterback. How many teams would do that?

Not a lot. Not a lot. Because, I mean, go through the teams, like, oh, plenty of teams would, like, would they? I don't know that to be the case. because what happens is one, if you need to rebuild your roster, you need a quarterback on a rookie contract. Two, you probably already have,

some of these teams already have a quarterback they're trying to develop. Or three, they already have a star quarterback. So I'm waiting for, he's the perfect example of he's a good starting quarterback. He is not elite. But if you're surrounded him with good players, but you're trying to re-sign Mike Evans,

like, all right, Becker-Minfeld, sign for $25 million, guaranteed for two years or three years or whatever, and then we use the money saved their quarterback to get us Mike Evans. That makes sense to me. Now, as pitchers and catchers have reported, and most of the teams have reported to spring training, there's been some great quotes out of the Angels camp.

This is your team now, Doug. Now, not only did Mike Trout say, I'd like to win a championship of the Angels, but someone cornered third baseman Anthony Rendon. and he was quoted as saying, baseball, it's never been a priority for me. This is a job. I do this to make a living.

My faith, my family come first before the job. So if those things come before it, I'm leaving. I guess in a vacuum, Doug, what he just said is not unfair. It's not unreasonable. For a lot of us, our jobs should come, you know, second or third or whatever. but I think when you put the facts that he has never played more than 58 games for the Angels and that just kind of his demeanor and his attitude since he's been on the team, I think the fans deserve a little bit more out of their favorite team's players, no?

You think? What do you think? And this is the old, like, clearly you don't love baseball, and it's something you probably should have known before you saw. sign the guy. It's without any question, the biggest Albatross contract in professional sports right now. Seven years, $245 million.

Wow. And through three years he's played like 150 games, that's about right? That sounds about right. No more than 58 games per season. Yeah. Yep. What else you got? Nets have fired Jacques Vaughn. I guess

they lost their last game before the All-Star break by 50 points, Doug. Their record is 21. and 33. Nets say goodbye to Jacques Vaughn. Your reaction? I mean, I'm guessing that this is all about the players either not want to play for him

or them spreading the narrative at the All-Star game that you don't want to go to Brooklyn as long as he's there. And it's big for Sean Marks because Sean and Jock are former teammates, former Spurs guy. Jock was a longtime assistant with the Spurs. Of course, this is second stint as head coach, not just with the Nets, but he was also the head coach

of the Orlando Magic. But when you lose by 50 saying your players quit on you, and I think that's what this is about. And it probably means they hire Kenny Atkinson. Maybe they bring Kenny Atkins back.

That's Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Let's welcome in Eddie Howes. Of course, he joins Colin. me, he joins me now. Of course, he's a NBA champion, a long-time basketball analyst as well. He joins us here in the herd. Eddie, if I could put you in charge, how would you get him to play hard on any level in the NBA All-Star game? I think you've got to add incentives to it.

It's got to be something similar to that in-season tournament, something that moves a needle in that way. I know everybody says guys don't need money and stuff like that, but one thing, I do know about wealthy people, they're not turning no money down and they could go get it. And so you have to incentivize it in some way. And, you know, that's up to the league office on how they're going to try to impose that. But I thought, and I'm with you and probably everybody else that watched that, it's a joke of a game at times. At times there was some competitiveness and I thought they was going to turn.

When I was watching the game, I'm like, okay, now they're about to start going, but then we're just letting guys getting free layups and free dunks. I understand it's so much money involved in so many ways that you could possibly affect yourself for your team in this game. Then maybe the All-Star game should happen after the NBA finals. You know, I mean, if you want guys to play hard and consistently play hard, maybe it's something that you could look at not playing in the middle of the season, somewhere you could play after the season and see what you could do from there.

I mean, I don't know. It's hard to try to figure out a way to tell somebody else to play hard. You know what I mean? I know that I'm wired one way, and that's – if I'm going to go, I'm going to go hard. I'm not going to tiptoe. I'm not going to use that word. But I'm not going to play around with the game. I'm going to go as hard.

I'm going hard as I can. Something foot, right? Something foot around. Yes. I know what you're – Like, look. Yes. I mean, I'll just be – I'll just be honest with you, Eddie.

Like, I played the celebrity game one time. And I don't know if you remember. It was in Orlando. It was in 2012. I'm in the celebrity game. And right before the end of the quarter, Neo gets the ball. And, you know, like, I, he's going to his left. I made him spin to his right.

Pick his pocket from behind and lay the ball in. And guys are like, oh, what are you doing? Like, why are you playing hard? Like, I don't know how not to. I don't know how to, like, just, I can't do the clown game thing. Like, they're just, I'm not wired for them. that. It's so weird because most of these guys are super

competitive dudes, but for whatever reason, they just turn it off for two and a half hours. All right, let's get to what really matters, the actual league itself. The Bucks have gotten worse, not better, since the coaching change. Is this fixable this season for the Bucks? I think

the Bucks are in a bad situation because when Doc came out, and this was it right here for it. So how they've been playing is a microcosm of everything they've been doing from training camp to right now. This is not all Doc's fault. But Doc did call them out and said, he called out what, four plays that happened. Say, hey, this happened, this happened, this happened, and this happened.

That's how we started the third quarter. Now, that's a direct call out to your team. How they respond is going to let me know. How they respond after this All-Star break, this first week of games that they have. and it's not about the winning or losing. It's about the way you win or lose or the way that you go about your business. And so I'm looking at it is, are they going to have those mistakes that he called out? Are they going to get back on defense?

Are they going to play extra hard on defense? Are they going to do all the small little things defensively? Are they going to do the right things offensively when it comes to spacing? That's what I'm going to be looking for. I always lean towards when you get superstar guys together, they figure it. out. So I'm betting on Dame Lipp and Yonin Sancta D'Compo to figure it out

because they're just that good. And then they have a really good coach in Doc River. So I think that they could get it figured out, but the first week of this, after the All-Star break is going to definitely let me know where their mindset, where their mind is at. Okay, so

what what does it do to Dames's reputation if it doesn't go well? Because forever it was like, man, if he just had guys around him in Portland, he'd be seen as one of the greats ever. It's not him, it's the surrounding guys. Now he's on a team that's won a championship. He's surrounded by an MVP.

What does it do to his reputation? I don't think it does anything to his reputation because that's not the same team that won a championship through holidays over with the Celtics now, right? And then you also look at the coach Budenhooser. He held them accountable in different ways. I thought he was a really good coach, you know, got a raw deal on getting fired same way as Adrian Griffin. So I don't think that you could point at Dame and say, hey, look at your legacy, it's going to be tarnished. I think, I mean, all-star game MVP last night, I know that people don't say that it's going to carry much weight anymore, but to go out there and put on the – at least he put on a show.

He did put on the show last night, a shooting display. He definitely did that. So he got that. He has all of the individual accolades and things like that. He does not have the championship, but it's a little – I don't think somebody. his legacy should be defined by just a championship because it is a team sport, number one. And a lot of times some teams are just better than other teams, and you're trapped on a team that on the shorter end of the stick.

And you might be a better player than some of those players over there. And it's just the way it goes. So I don't think that his legacy or anything will get tarnished with him. I think that other guys got to step up. I don't think the Milwaukee – let me ask you a question. You think the Milwaukee Bucks are losing games on account of what James Lillard isn't bringing to them? Yes. Okay, well, explain.

Please elaborate for me. I just, he didn't really guard, okay? And it's really hard for him to play without the basketball on his hands. And this team is built, like you said, they had Drew. Like, Drew is versatile, but also Drew didn't have to have the ball to be incredibly effective. Dame does. And I just, I don't know if he's built for how this team is constructed. Okay.

He's not the, he's not the only issue, right? Like, he's not the only one. But I think most people think that it's like fantasy sports, right? It's like, well, Yonnes, he'll give you a 30 and he'll give you a 30, and then you'll win. Two super, like, and how the sport works. Not at all. No, it don't work like that.

also don't work like this to where you can say, well, he doesn't guard. Well, we know there's a lot of guys that don't guard in the league and they get covered up because they have a defense behind them. For example, Bobby Porter is supposed to be a defensive player, right? So is Brooke Lopez, and so is Janice Antunco. So those are your backline defenders right there. Sure. You're supposed to make it up right there with those guys.

So you might not have the best perimeter defenders, but you've got some of the best interior defenders. And if you have that, you can make up for some guys' deficiencies. What you can't make up for is what Dane brings on the offensive end. I would say Dame is this. Dame is a much better offensive player than Drew Holiday. As far as scoring, you know what I mean? I think he is a much better player. I just don't think that they thought that it was going to be an easy track for Yonis.

And everybody's like, oh, that pick and roll was going to be unstoppable. But it's not going to be unstoppable because Yonis is not a picking pop guy. So it doesn't make the defense think anything else except all he's trying to do is get to the basket. And then we got to try to stop Dane, Dane make that pass. We know he's going to come downhill. We might take a charge or force him into shooting the three because we sag off of it. So it's ways you could defend them. They're just going to have to figure out how do they make it easy for their stars, star players.

And they've got to start playing better defense collectively, not just on Dane, but collectively. Eddie House is our guest here in the herd. Okay, if not the Bucks. what's your level of confidence that the Celtics can get to the NBA finals? Man, you know what? I'm actually with the man and the legend right now, right? Mike Gorman right now.

We just got done playing golf. And we were talking about this. We really believe that they have a really great chance to win this, right? No question. But I believe that we have to get a little nastier. A little bit nastier, a little bit, tougher throughout consistently.

Because I've seen Jaylen get mad. I've seen Jason get mad. But I'm talking about controlled anger. You know, when you're coming to the game, hey, man, I'm pissed off right now that we even got to play y'all. So we're going to take it out on you guys. Like that type of anger and that type of energy. But I think we have a great chance.

And when you look at the Eastern Conference, we're definitely standing up top of it. And I don't believe, and I don't think that there's a team. more talented than the Celtics in the league in the in the whole league I think we have the most talented roster and versatile roster as that versatile roster as well so I believe we have a great chance of getting to the finals it's just a matter of in those nasty moments who's going to be who's going to be that dog when you need them to be that dog at times uh okay Western Conference do you believe in the Clippers

actually do, right? I didn't believe in them at first, and I was like, how does it work? Right? How everybody was with Milwaukee saying, oh, this is going to be seamless. That pick and roll with Yonis, I was thinking like, this is going to be a disaster. Like, how is this going to work with all these guys? But you've got to do one thing. Not only give credit to Russell Westbrook for saying, hey, I'll go to the bench, but also James Harden's sacrificing some of the way he plays as well. But then Kauai stepping up his level of play, being healthy, being available. And then T. Lou being able to press the right

button, I really do believe in what the clippers are doing right now. I think it's sustainable because they play defense, they play together, they play hard every single night, they're well coached. To me, those things are sustainable. And they're going to have

to get through Denver because for the first time this year, I had a chance to watch Yokic live and direct, okay? And Jamal Murray took over in the fourth quarter, against the Celtics when we played. We had a 20-something game win streak, I think 21-game home win streak, and they came in there and snapped that.

We lose the game 102-100. Now, DeMal Murray had a fantastic game, but I was watching Yolkich because I really wanted to key in on him and want to know why he's so good. And what I figured out was his first step is a lot faster than, a lot faster than what people think it is. And that's why he's able to get by guys. You'd be like, well, how does he get by those guys when he's so slow?

Well, everything he does up top is window dressing. It's slow. His move is pump-fakes. But that first step when he's trying to get to the basket is extremely quick. And that's why he has the space that he has to create and create those angles. He's, to me, the best player in the world, even though he looked like how he looked last night on that last dunk would look crazy. And that sounds crazy to see somebody that look like that, not be able to dunk easily. but to me he's the best player in the world and you're going to have to go through the champions

no matter who you are in the Western Conference if you think you're going to get to the finals. He's the one and only Eddie House. All right, Eddie, you just got done playing golf? I just got done, man. Just got done. Shot one of my best rounds, man, you feel me? Yeah. I got an 80.

I shot at 88. That doesn't say much, but for me that's a lot, man. No, no, listen. You play it down? You play one ball? Do you play, you know, by the rules? Or was it like a... Yeah, yeah.

Two off, two off, two of, okay. Two off the first tee. Two off the first teeth. Second one's always better. I'm just checking. Like, look, that's outstanding. 80's good, man. Well, we got to get out there.

Can you golf? Can you play? Yeah. Yeah. We got to get out there. I got to see what you working with, bro. All right, let's do it. Let's do it.

Maybe we'll go play. We'll go watch your son play in Albuquerque, and we go hit it a mile with all that altitude. That might be fun, too. Why not? That might be a whole lot of fun. That would. Eddie, let's talk soon.

Thanks for joining us, man. all right cool take care all right that's my guy aty house joining us here Doug gotley been for call it's the herd on foxboard trader the iHeart radio app coming up next i think you're going to love this okay we have our best for last it's president's day we always do the the cheesy president stay stuff what if we gave you the five presidents you didn't actually knew exist right the five least noteworthy presidents in the history of United States. Part of our best blessed next in the herd. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast.

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it's Washington's birthday and Lincoln's birthday right and so we should I call it President's Day we should call it like only memorable President's Day but since it is President's Day it gives us our best for last it's almost the end of the show but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in nope we grind to the very last segment it's time for best for last

Oh, okay, so here's what we got. We have the five least memorable presidents of the United States. All right? So with any list, we need that thing that it says like number five. Number five. Ah, there it is. Chester Arthur. Chester Arthur.

Chase, too, are you familiar with Chester Arthur in any way? Not until you just mentioned it that I think that a Chester Arthur ran our country at some point. Who is he? Do we know him? Yes. apparently Chester Arthur was the 21st President of the United States. Never heard of them. He took over for James Garfield.

I only know the name James Garfield because, well, Garfield was one of my favorite TV shows when we come home as a latchkey kid in Orange, California. He was on, we had Nickelode and we had cable. You had Heathcliff and Garfield. Heathcliff was the cartoon. Garfield also had a cartoon, but Garfield was the print cartoon. Anyway, I didn't know James Garfield was assassinated, but also I didn't know that this guy, Chester Arthur, was the 20th President of the United States. Apparently he owned 80 pairs of pants.

I have like four, five, but I have some suit pants as well. So I'm probably in the 10 variety, 80 pairs of pants being fishermen. Nobody, anybody, Chester Arthur? Who is it? I never heard of him either. Number four. Okay, number four. least memorable

Millard or Millard Millard Fillmore Miller Miller Fillmore. Millard. Yes. Yes, that's his name. Millard Fillmore. Do you have any idea who Millard Fillmore was? Only that he's got a really bad first name, Millert.

I don't think if it's that, I think it's memorable. I almost feel like we should bring that back that back. Millard Fillmore You could have it I could Okay He was the 13th president Of the United States

All right Millard Fillmore Literally Haven't heard of him What was it? Yeah a New Yorker Born in a log cabin But he's the other president

Born in a log cabin right You're like oh Lincoln was born in a long cabin Yeah this guy No one ever heard of Bill in a log cabin All right, let's get to number three. Number three.

I think people think they know this guy, but they don't. It's Herbert Hoover. Herbert Hoover. He sounds sexy. Okay, so Herbert Hoover, any idea who that is? I remember. So now we're getting into the 20th century, so the history lessons kind of kick in. He was the one that drove us into the Depression, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, after World War I, right? Wasn't it? It was in the late 20s, yeah. Yeah, so he was the 31st President of the United States and he achieved international success as a mining engineer. And he was supposed to be a great humanitarian. And he was the food czar. He helped feed millions in Europe after World War I.

It was just devastated by the war. but during his presidency, you know, it began the process of us. I don't think it was great depression, though. He was in the 30s, wasn't he? I was after the Depression. Hoover drove us into the Depression. It was all his fault, and then FDR had to come in and bail us out. But I think Hoover has the problem of maybe being misassociated with Edgar J. Hoover.

Edgar J. Hoover. A much more famous one, right? Yeah, not the same. Anyway, yeah, to me, to me, that's a, that's a member one. All right, we got two more. Number two. Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland.

I think we hear the name. We're like, ooh, first of all, Grover, of course, we know that from Sesame Street, right? And Cleveland is a city. So it makes sense. We got Sesame Street and a city. Do you know what he's known for? I actually do. Is he not the president that served two different terms, but there was a term in between them?

Correct. Correct. Correct. So what Trump's trying to do, that's what he's done. Right? So if Trump said this is unprecedented, president. No, it's actually been done. You get the feeling that his name's going to be brought up a lot this year. Probably. Trump's trying to become the first sense, but Grover or Cleveland's going to get a lot of run this year. Okay, let's get to the least memorable president of all time. Number one. I'm going to go with Martin Van Buren.

He was called the little magician. Aw, he did the little fella. He was supposedly really, really, really small. Five foot, he listed at five foot six. But remember, back then they wore wigs and they had heels. He was the eighth president of the United States. I don't think we ever want a president known as the little magician, do we? And those are your five least memorable presidents of the United States?

Here's a question to you, Jay Stewart. Like, we've had pretty memorable presidents, right? We had George Herbert Walker Bush, only one term. George, his dad, we had the two George Bushes. We had Clinton. We had Reagan. We've had Trump. We've had Obama.

I guess we had Carter when I was born, but I don't remember any of that stuff. I just remember massive wholesale inflation, then Reagan, and everybody, and we don't need she and I. And of course, we have Bill Clinton. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Right? Like, those are all the presidents we've had. They're all super memorable.

Jimmy Carter kind of falls off the radar. Jimmy Carter, to me, just reminds me of what I dislike about the 70s. like really bad film, long gas lines. What else happened? It was tough. That was a rough time. Yeah. But all accounts, Jimmy Carter, pretty good dude, right?

Studio 54, just horrible parts of our history. Well, I think Studio 54 has good parts of our history to people who enjoyed parties in Studio 54. I mean, it's just a weird time, you know, sex drugs, rock and roll. Jimmy Carter, by the way, he's been in hospice care for a year. They're probably like, man, this guy, who sent him here? So Jimmy Carter has not gotten the call yet in case you're wondering. All right, enjoy the day off. The NBA has kind of got to recoup.

That was not a good day yesterday. There's just no way. Like, that's your day and Daytona 500, which is going on now. Daytona 500 canceled. Like you had the whole sports landscape to yourself. And I thought it was worse, not better than before. And I'll be honest with you. I think the players are way more talented,

way more skilled than they've ever been before. But you get that, it just becomes a narrative that the mainstream believes to be true and it played out is true that you don't play hard all the time. You don't care. Back tomorrow. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is The Hurt.

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