The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - NBA playoffs

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Rachel Nichols stops by The Herd to talk about the NBA playoffs, including the Lakers win last night, and the Warriors-Rockets game tonightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick.

Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. Help an Acapella band with their Between Songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the ice. Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art.

The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs' tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She can win. She's an outsider to win the French fame.

And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any service. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHart Women's Sports. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing.

How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen and learn the hard way on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for listening to The HARD podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day in the IHart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Good series. The Knicks could be in real trouble. Now it goes to Detroit. Last night, Rachel Nichols joining us, Fox Sports NBA analyst. The physicality, it was, I don't think the NBA will put it in their greatest games ever officiated category. No. So what adjustments did the Lakers make, in your opinion? Well, they made one really important adjustment on Anthony Edwards.

He said after the game, he said, they kind of played me like a zone. And he acknowledged he said, it was a little confusing for me. Coaches will call that a box and elbow more than a zone, but whatever you want to call it. They loaded up on him. They forced him not only to not be able to get to the basket the way he wanted to and he did in the first game. But when he was passing out of that multiple coverage, he wasn't really passing out in sort of the discipline, smart assists. We saw him in game one. He was just getting rid of the ball.

And because of that, it then had to go around to, were three other people and that's why you saw him when no is his assist numbers yeah they came down zero zero assist last night so i think that that is something that the wolves will game plan for you know it's a fun like adjustments the adjustment to the adjustment and what we'll see in game three with that will be interesting the wolves in general we're pretty sloppy the whole game uh... nazreed gotten to some early foul trouble he did definitely hurt what they wanted to do you out there

and i just think there was a little bit of hey we won game one and and they just didn't come out as determined and you understand all of that. How do you think JJ Redick's done so far? Well, man, I mean, I thought the Lakers in general looked great, especially to open the game last night. You know, obviously they tailed off a little bit toward the end, but JJ was on them all of the time. I don't know if you saw there was a timeout that he had.

Oh, he was furious. Let's call it colorful language. I don't know if we had a video around, but there were so many curse words in that first, like, 10 seconds of the timeout. that I asked him about it after the game. And he said, look, I only get that angry, you know, a handful of times. That was in like the 61, 50-something. Exactly.

The wolves have made a run, and there you can see it. We won't say, we won't use the sounds for people listening on the radio because this is a family show. But I will say that it was very noticeable. And he claimed, you know, I only get that angry a few times this season. LeBron was a little more descriptive. He said, eh, we expect JJ to spazz out every once in a while. That was a quote.

But I think his intensity is what has really helped the Lakers throughout this season. And as a first-time coach, these are his first ever playoff games he's coaching. The fact that he's such a student of the game, that he's so into all of these adjustments, that's a big part of how he coaches. I think he's going to really thrive here. He did say he found himself between games watching Wolves versus Utah footage. Utah, by the way, tanking team that would never give him any information. And he finally pulled away.

He's like, what am I doing, man? No, I think the one thing about JJ, he plays big, and L.A., Lakers have run through some coaches. This is a bigger market. We're not as angry as Philadelphia, but he plays big. Yeah. He's smart. He plays big. He's got the trust of his best players.

And I talk about this. You can see their game plan. They're a very good first quarter team. Absolutely. Which always tells me, they've washed a ton of tape. They've practiced hard. They've implemented it. This is not a team that eases its way in, like a well-coached football team.

I always feel like with the Lakers like, oh, I see what they're trying to do. You could tell their physicality, like first possession. Yeah. So the Kauai Leonard thing is fascinating. Kauai Leonard, and I said this, if you took Kobe's personality, creativity, durability, and you gave it to Kauai's strength and hand size, there's your Michael Jordan. His mid-range game, his hand size, like, there are no pick and rolls needed. Like, you just send Gordon at me.

You can send Porter at me. I got it. But I always, with the clippers, I'm like, yeah, I just don't know how long it's going to last. There's no way to know. By the way, you know the last time, Kwai Leonard ended a postseason healthy? Take a guess. I'm putting it on the spot. 2018.

A little later than that. 2020 in the bubble, which, by the way, the clippers then just let go of the rope that summer. But it has been five years since he ended his season healthy. So there is a waiting for the other shoe to drop sense with this playoff run. Is there going to be a game in this round and the next round, however far they get, where Kauai sort of pulls up and then we don't see him again? If he can stay healthy, I think this is an incredibly dangerous Clippers team. They have one of the stingiest defenses in the NBA.

You've got two offensive stars who can go fireball at any point. We saw it from James Hardin in one. We saw it from Kauai in Game 2. And when Kauai is on, that game 6 he had against Dallas, some of the games that won him two finals MVP's. And the game the other night, he is as good as anyone in the top, top tier elite conversation when he's healthy. But that's a very important part of the sentence.

So I think my takeaway on the Knicks Piston series is, Oh, Cade Cunningham is the best player in this series. He's in a remarkable town. Now, he was a number one pick. But as we know, in the NFL, a guy comes in. He's often married. He's 24. He's got NBA, the great players are 19.

They can't go to the hotel bar. And it's often, like, we're seeing it with Jalen Green. Like, he hasn't developed a half-court offense much. Like, you see these guys develop. So, Cade was always good. He was always a score. But I watch these games. I'm like, no, that's what a star looks like.

Like, he gets his shot whenever he wants. Are the Knicks in a little trouble here? I think they will end up pulling this series out just for all the reasons that everyone picked them for this series. I do not expect them if they do win this series. I don't expect them to make a dent in the second round if they play the Celtics. I mean, I think that could be over very, very quickly. They've been out played in six of the eight quarters so far. Yeah.

So, you know, look, I said on your show last week, like Detroit has a chance here. People were giving them no chance. They have a chance. the way they play, the veteran presence there, complimenting the young guys, and you're right. Cade Cunningham, not only is an elite elite player for his age, right, and his development level, but he's got such a great NBA body. And I love Jalen Brunson as a player. I think he does some pretty amazing things, and that kid has such amazing heart.

We saw it in game one. But he is small. And there is a point where the balance with him and the other players on the team, you have to put the right pieces around him. And we'll see if Carl Anthony Towns, if they can, get a figure out a way to shake him a little more free with the defense is playing against him. Yeah. And that's part Tibido and part him being more aggressive.

Yeah, it's, you know, it's funny about this analogous of nothing. I was having a discussion about two months ago with somebody that loves the NBA. We were talking about Jalen Suggs. People had him as a bus two years out of Gonzaga. And I'm like, guys, these guys are 19 years old. He played football. You know, like give him time. And then all of a sudden Jalen hugs, they figured out, oh, he does this well, this well.

he's not a number one. Paul Boncaro will be that. But it's like now everybody's like, oh, man, they really miss him. So sometimes with Kate Cunningham, you're in Detroit, you're losing a bunch of games, you're running through coaches, and everybody labels you like, talented butt, but you watch this series, you're like, oh, like that, that's going to be a top 10 player in the league next year. Yeah, well, yeah, maybe.

I mean, we'll see his development continues. But, yeah, he is definitely the engine of that team. He's a huge part of their turnaround. And it's not just been what his growth and maturity on the floor, off the court. if you talk to everyone in that franchise they say that the way he has grown the way he's encouraged the younger players the way he's given up certain things and in you know on the course of the game plan to get other guys involved has been just so high level for a guy his age and i think we'll see that through his development so i uh we have anonymous polls in politics in sports so

rick carlyle's furious he called it shameful uh that tyrese halliburton was the most overrated player some of it i think is he's not labeled as cool by the players steph Jeff Curry, by the way, for years, was sort of like, yeah, he's good, but, because he didn't married kids, golf, he didn't care. And there is an optic, there is an aesthetic to this league, which it lasted since Spencer Haywood and Dr. Jay. That's why I fell in love with the NBA. They were cool players.

So what was your take as a whole on the anonymous poll? I mostly agreed with the players. Yeah, I mean, look, I thought the athletic did a good job of being very transparent about how many guys voted in each situation. And so for the overrated player that you're talking about with Tyrese, only 90 guys voted. This is a league of 450 players. That means if you look at the percentages, 12 guys in the NBA thought he was the most overrated. 12.

So I don't know how much you can take that. Obviously, Tyrese is an excellent player. Oh, Kay Cunningham most underrated. Yeah, well, look, again, very trendy pick there for that too. Tyrese is the reason they're up too well in that series. And I think, you know, he is good humor about it. You remember after the Olympics, he tweeted, you know, when you didn't do anything for the group project, but you still get an A. And so, because he didn't play during the Olympics, I think that he has the enough good humor and sense of himself and confidence that this isn't going to rattle him.

The biggest thing I think about a poll like this is the NBA is such a petty league, Colin. Yeah. These guys are so petty. So when we have those NFL surveys and it's like, which team has the best locker room facilities, which team has the best training staff, the best ownership, That's about a collective team and sort of what the team is doing. This survey is about a lot of individual players, and you see those individual, as you said, other guys like him, some guys don't like him, I want to vote for my friend. I just think you have to take it when it's individual players in a petty NBA.

You've got to take all of it with a grain of salt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an

a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the eye heart. radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in.

I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games,

from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. SportsSlice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Slices Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey.

I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant this plant to a billion dollar fraud. but with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life.

Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, I want to circle back to the Lakers. One more thing. Yeah. is that I said this at the top, my opening rant, was that LeBron wanted AD offensively to kind of take the baton a little. Yes. And AD's body got better, and his defense is amazing.

But I've always said, LeBron identifies guys that can allow him to kind of glide until the fourth. I think he identified very early Steph. He flirted with him. Steph wasn't leaving. I think he knows the outletting and play of Yokic. Yeah. Would it let him coast? And then I think he looked at Luca for years and thought, oh, Luca's great.

He started complimenting him an hour after he made the league. He was like, I'm going to be around a while. And when I watched him last night was classic. Luca 31, LeBron 21. And LeBron could care less. At this point, I would argue, LeBron wants wins. Look, I think LeBron had to start that game with a ton of energy just from a leadership standpoint, which we saw.

and then throughout the game, look, he's 40. He talked about it after the game. Your body is not the same as when you were younger in terms of stamina, but he made sure that defensively he was still so on point just with his IQ, the effort on defense, gathering guys in the right places. And as someone who has been literally courtside watching him his whole career, it's sort of a funny thing. That's kind of how he came into the league.

Obviously, he's developed the three-pointer and the shot and all of that. But as you say, he's not using it in the same way as he did in his prime. it's really about being smart, delivering the energy when he smartly knows that it's most valuable and he needs to, and then defensively having those core principles that he came into the league being so good at. So it's funny to see that go full circle. It's also funny to see with Luca, I think this is going to extend LeBron's career. I mean, there was a time in the middle of the season where we were thinking, yeah, maybe this is it. He's played with his kid. He's done what he's wanted to do. Maybe he'll do the one more year on his contract.

Now you've got his younger son, Bryce, who's going to be at Arizona next year, and then potentially in the league the next year. There's a lot of people who think he's better than Ronnie was at that age. That's what they say. And maybe he's going to stick around. And then, I don't know, do the Lakers get two of the next five titles? Is this going to be a KD to the Warriors kind of impact on the league? I don't know.

But if that happens, and LeBron hangs around for some of that, LeBron, is he going to have as money as Kobe? Is it going to change that conversation? What if, and there's a lot of dominoes that would have to fall, what if, because Luke is on his team and LeBron can extend his career a few years, what if he gets two more? And then the Jordan conversation starts up again in a very different way. So I think this has had such a huge impact on LeBron, as you said. I don't think he's mad at all about this. I think he is thrilled to have another guy in the team who's younger who can do everything the way he wants it done.

And then he can sort of pick his spots. And again, picking his spots doesn't just mean in the game. I think it could mean for extending his career a lot longer. We'll have to see. Rachel Nichols, always a pleasure. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, let's get started with Jason Tatum, Colin. Unfortunately, he is listed as doubtful for game two tonight with an injury. Boston has not been happy with the physicality in this series. Al Orford calling out dudes after the game. I'm not sure what goes into it with it. The only thing I would say is that it is the playoffs. So, you know, the game's going to be more physical.

It's going to be more intense. I feel like those plays are probably going to happen more often than not. Al Horpard should be a GM. Senatorial, isn't it? I mean, he honestly got, if you put a suit and tie on him, and you hear the governor of Massachusetts. He's such a grown-up. He called out KCP for what...

Some called a dirty foul on Tatum when he was in the air. I think tonight's game is going to be a little heated. Oh, no, no, no. We've got some dudes. I don't know if... I mean, the spread's coming down a little, 10 and a half. I'm not touching that just because I think... Don't.

No, Tatum, Zig-Act. Listen, this Detroit Knicks games in Detroit... Yeah, I'm not feeling great. Is that tomorrow night? I think it's tomorrow night. There's a couple of these series. Minnesota Lakers is going to be physical. Detroit, New York's going to be physical.

Boston, Orlando's weirdly physical. And the refs let them play in the playoffs. So unders are 10 and 3 so far. A lot of physicality. I'll be honest, I don't love it. Like visually, Lakers' wolves last time. Did you think that was a visually appealing? I thought it was visually appealing.

The problem with that game is that Minnesota just, neither team was very good from three. The Lakers were, by the way, 20 of 20 from the free throw line. They never missed a free throw. It wasn't artistic, but I got to tell you something, I like intense basketball. So I will trade scoring for intensity. Can't you have both? Be intense, just don't grab the guy.

Clippers Nuggets is the best series so far. Listen, neither of those teams is playing great defense. They're not. No, but the games are physical. I mean, the battles for rebounds in that series are intense. So you're in on Chris Finch. He's a great coach. He's picking up the Lakers full court, the entire.

games. I don't know if you notice that. Well, the Lakers started to do the same thing last night with Gabe Vincent, and I'm like, you watch a Clippers Nuggets, they're not doing that. It's just like, let's just frame it in the half-court. Full-core defense, that's my style. That's what I kind of like to do. And it's like rugged, and we're in your face, and we're going to be grinding all games.

NBA needs scoring. You can't have these 87-84 games in the playoffs. That's not good for business. Right? Right. You agree with me. We need offense. All right. Next up, Colin. Let's go to... Okay. I love this. the Atlanta Hawks. So obviously they got bounced in the plan again.

GM Landry Fields got fired. They got a new guy in there. And Colin, we're starting to hear the chatter. You like to see around corners? Trey Young's up for an extension this offseason. He posted on IG kind of a, this won't happen again. I will be back in the playoffs. And there is a momentum that, hey, maybe the hawks should not extend Trey Young.

And they should just be like, we're going to get out of the Trey Young business. Yeah, I think. Yeah, you know, the thing about Trey, I like his game, but there are arguments he's not a winning player. He was early. Remember when they went to the conference finals? Yes, he had a great rookie year. Wasn't it a rookie year? He was great early. But there's, he doesn't want to defend, and he's going to kind of do his thing, and he can get emotional a bit pouty on the floor.

He had a really bad, was he against Orlando. Bad. Got ejected. So, you know, you look at the Luca situation when Dallas, they said, basically, we don't want to pay this guy all this money. That was one of the reasons. And you start to wonder, are the Hawks feeling the same way about training? Because with the new CBA, if you've made all NBA or All-Star games, you can be paid so much that owners consider now everything.

I mean, Luke had been hurt back-to-back years. Luke is a bad defensive player. Even though he'd made the finals, there was a feeling like, do we want to pay him $75 million a year? So, Trey Young is not a guy I'm going to pay 60 million plus a year, and I like him. I'm not paying that. So in the NFL, we talked about a wide receiver bubble. Remember, we were early on it? It's a star bubble.

A star bubble. A guy's just getting paid too much. Like, I can't build a team when, you know, my wide receiver is making $35 million. I don't know that the Hawks and some other teams around the league are going to be like, Trey, here's $50 million. I feel like we're starting to see this slide on NBA salaries. We saw with Luca. Mazz didn't want to pay him the $365 or whatever.

And I think Atlanta. is probably next, and I think after that will be Zion. There's some interesting things happening behind the scenes in the NBA, Colin. Keep an eye on that one. Final story, if there ever was an argument to change the first round series back to five, Thunder Grizzlies is Exhibit A. OKC has absolutely dominated hapless Memphis for the second straight game. Point differential is plus 70.

Now, we knew Oklahoma City was good. I didn't know they were this good and just murdering and embarrassing. Memphis, the second largest point differential through two games in a playoff series in NBA history. Look at Likuto is number one, the 86 Lakers, like Magic Johnson era. They're minus

eight and a half. In Memphis? Yeah. And I think I would take OKC if I had to. So, again, it's just two games. Who's challenging OKC in the West? Lakers. I don't even know if the Lakers are beaten

the wolves or the warriors. Clippers. You said challenging. Clippers? I think Clippers are pretty good. Clippers are going to beat the Nuggets. I do like that, bad fight. Is that Sunday when they play?

They play. Listen, Thursday night, same night is a draft. You're going to need multiple TVs. You just ignore the NBA total? No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't ignore the NBA ever. Nix Pistons game free. Big one.

Thunder Grizzlies, you can skip that. And then Nuggets. Pistons, Nix is going to be on very early. So I'll watch that before the draft. I'll watch the first half. Four o'clock. That's a good call. Yeah.

So all. The drafts. starts at five, but it'll start about 5, 15 or something. And you all get the first pick. Yeah. Tomorrow is an all-timer baby. Yeah. No Uber Eats for you. No, no, no, no, no. No.

I have not. Tonight I'm going to go out and have a cocktail. Oh, really? I've been very good. Focus. I don't like to watch blurry games. Not a multiple night. Are you a martini guy? No.

You mean Pacifico with a lime in it? A little cold brew. A little smash Burger, I'm good. Smell? J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lie News.

I'm telling you, my phone, you never sent me that thing you told me you're going to send me. My phone, there is stuff happening, my friends. Why don't you hit up some of your GM buddies? No, I already am. Oh. Are they talking to you? Or are they going radio silent zero dark draft?

They will not talk to me now, but I have questions. There will be two trades in this draft now. Again, I know two teams in the NFC that are trying to move up. That does not mean they'll be made. So can you use your superpowers and get us, assuming the show still exists in a year, into a draft room next year? Honestly, that's on my bucket list. Like, it's like Japan being an NFL wardroom.

I'll get us into the Bears' draft room. Next year? Yeah. Well, assuming I'm still here. We don't know what'll happen. Put your head down. Break some stories once in a while. Maybe bring you back.

In L.A., it's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Draft coverage? Yep. With the first pick. The biggest names that know about every player in every team, you've got it right here. Listen as Fox NFL Insider.

Jay Glazer, former New York Jets general manager, Joe Douglas, college football hall of favor and former number two overall pick, LeVar Erington. And Fox Sports lead college football reporter, Jenny Tapp. Deliver the pick-by-pick coverage. This is an exciting night. Fox Drap Night Live lives right here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, name? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, Help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,

and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.

From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action. with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicalife-Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth.

He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levant this plant to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive? The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me?

Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So there's a lot of talk about people moving up, people moving down on the draft, as is generally the case about this time. Tomorrow's the NFL draft starting at, what is it, Five Pacific, Eight Eastern. Is that what time it starts? I just know I've got to be home early in the afternoon. Lance Zerlain, who's worked at NFL.com, covering the draft for over 20 years, talked about the buzz he's hearing with Shadur Sanders and the New York Giants. I've heard they're in alignment that it's not Shador Sanders.

So that's what I've heard. And so I don't think Shadur Sanders is in play at three at all. I think they like for you to believe it. It seems like there's a lot of teams that want you to believe that they're in on Shador Sanders because they think they're going to elicit a phone call and a trade-up. I don't think it's going to happen. I think he goes 21 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've heard Dayball likes Jackson Dart. And so if that's the case, going from the early second round into the first round for Jackson Dart, somewhere in the 20s.

You know, the Vikings don't have a lot of draft picks. The Vikings could be a spot that you trade into for Jackson Dart. That's been a targeted spot for me, the 24th pick. Now, he mentioned Jackson Dart. So I've said it feels like Zach Wilson, but. But, you know, maybe a little more talented went to the same high school. Here's Lance on what he hears and sees. He's been doing this a long time on Jackson Dart.

Well, I've got a third round grade on him. Whoa. Yeah, but I mean, a grade is not where I project him. I project him first second is where I project him. My grade would be third round. I just think that Ole Miss offense is really favorable to quarterbacks now. It doesn't mean Jackson Dart can't play. He can play.

But he's got an average arm. He's accurate. I think he really has to put something into. I stood on the field next to him. I wanted to see and feel all those quarterbacks throw at the combine. I mean, he's got to really, you know, get a lot into it to drive the ball. But he is accurate. And a lot of coaches like his demeanor. I just think there's a lot of open one-on-one throws down the field. And then there's a lot of stick routes, just quick hitches to Trey Harris on tape as well. So it's harder to get that first round feel for Jackson Dart for me.

Okay, so if we look at, I'm going to do my last mock draft tomorrow, the first. The first mock draft I do, first 15 picks is what I would do is GM. I didn't include any trades. Tomorrow I'm going to put a trade or two in, and it's what I think will happen. So keep your eye on the number five pick. There's a lot of belief. Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter is feeling more and more certain are your top three picks. starting at about four with New England,

five with Jacksonville, then it can get interesting. So I think Mason Graham may have a lower ceiling. If I'm New England and I can go get a guy like Mason Graham, you know, that's right up Vrabel's alley. But keep your eye on New England at four and Jacksonville at five. I am hearing a team that wants to move into that five spot. Okay.

And then the other one to keep your eye on is, the 13 or 14 spot, Miami and the Colts. So Miami has been Jalen Ramsey, Tyreek Hill. They've tried the flashy stuff to no avail. A lot of noise. A lot of noise, a lot of flash for the distracted dolphin fans down in South Beach. I think they may go into the trenches. Okay. So I know you like chat, GPT, right? since you keep saying that somebody's going to move up to five,

and I think anybody with a brain can put it together that somebody must want Ashton Genti. Yes, that's the wrong. So I asked Chad, GBT, can you give me the first round history in the last 10 years of teams trading up for a running back? It has happened one time. Do you remember the deal? Famous SEC running back.

I could hear him say it. The Cleveland Browns traded up for Trent Richardson. Yeah, but that was a dumb move. Wait a minute. Trent Richardson was a superstar at Alabama. He was trucking dudes left and right. You don't trade up for a running back, Colin. And I know obviously Ashton Jetteens better than Trent Richardson,

but it is extremely risky. That is a position that turns over a lot. Injuries happen. I think it is extremely risky. Like you're putting your job on the line. You trade up for a running back, and it doesn't work. Okay, now this one I like. Jordan Schultz, our Jordan Schultz,

is reporting multiple teams have brought up Steeders receiver George Pickens and, trade discussions. If I was Pittsburgh, I would move off him tomorrow because I got D.K. Metcalf. But who's getting in the Pickens business, given how lazy at times he was last year? Like, there's videos of him against the Colton. Oh, I know. Like pretending to block at the line of scrimmage, just not being interested. Would you make a move one year, George Pickin?

Yeah, I'll give you a six-round draft pick. I take a flyer. I'm not giving up anything of value for him. He's pretty good. He's pretty good player. You like to take risks with questionable individuals. You're the Cincinnati Bengals of sportscats. Oh, stop it. You never move up in the draft. I think I would take pickings for a year. Okay, what do you give it up?

Well, if I hadn't, I think he's worth a third round pick. If he wasn't temperamental, you could get a first or a second. If he wasn't temperate, yeah. If he wasn't, yeah, if the tariffs didn't exist, my portfolio wouldn't be down 60%. You know, like, come on, man. I just, you like, you like, clean. We talked about at the outside of the show. I do. But I'm saying would I

do a one-year experiment with Pickens? Yeah, sure. You want your bears getting in the Pickens business? No. But the Gentie business is interesting. Oh, yes, yes. That one's a kind of Pickens in that locker room with your young franchise quarterback. How about, how about

I mean, again, a one-year Pickens is so... You have a strong front office, like an Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, tight. Hey, we'll take a flyer on this guy. Rishi Rice, he's a nightmare. Well, I mean, the Chiefs are a prime example.

They've been burned on immaturity multiple times at receiver. And they got off-tiree killed. He won't a big money. I mean, but they've been burning wide receiver is just diva central. It's got, I went for a while where we didn't see it. But in the last couple of years, where these guys getting huge money, it's been like a wide receiver bubble. And whatever it is, we've had a two or three-year run, and receivers got really high

maintenance again. Odell Beckham, like just weird stuff. Everybody's moving off and the Rams got to the Odell business. They won the Super Bowl with him, but McVeigh and Stafford, like strong culture can handle that. Yeah, no, no. Pickens is not somebody I'm building around, but would I take a swing for a year? He's a difference. Buffalo Bills?

Josh Allen? No, they've done. They did the Diggs thing. Yeah. It's something. It is something. Draft tomorrow. Rockets, Warriors.

Tonight. I like Houston. Hey, guys. It's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. She's an outsider to win the French name. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lina Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio.

your app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I'm Michelle McPhee, and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance I've ever reported on, a Mormon polygamist, and an Armenian businessman. Multi-million dollar house, Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, a billion dollar fraud. But how long can this alliance last? Tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me?

Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.