The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - NFL draft updates

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

Fox Sports NFL reporter Peter Schrager joins the show to give the latest insight on what QBs teams are targeting in next week's draftSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He knows them. Fox Sports. NFL reporter Peter Schrager now joining us live. All right, let's talk about this. You have the Giants moving up to number four. J.J. McCarthy. That seems like feels so overdrafted. do you do with Daniel Jones? They need pieces. They need receivers. I don't like teams like a New

England Carolina Giants that need seven players to give up draft capital. But that signals something. Why would they do that? Yeah, look, my mock drafts a little different than others. It's not what I would do. It's what I'm hearing around the league. And I know that the Giants have done all the work and all the research on all of these quarterbacks, extensive on the top guys. If they weren't in the market for a quarterback. They wouldn't be wasting their time traveling all across the country to meet and take them out to dinner. The night before Easter, the Giants flew out to Ann Arbor, and they took out J.J. McCarthy at Ruth Chris there. They had a great meeting. He has since met with them again. In this case, Daniel Jones was not drafted by Joe Shane, was not drafted by Brian Daibel.

He was given $80 million by those guys, but that contract is also written in such a way where they can get out of it after two years. I was aggressive on this one. I've got the Giants trading up two spots from six to four to get J.J. McCarthy. And one of the reasons is you've got Minnesota, Denver, Vegas, three teams that are 11, 12, 13. If the giants are the suitors, the Cardinals can jump back two spots and still get one of those top wide receivers, whether it be Harrison, Adunze, or Malik neighbors at LSU. If you go all the way back to 11, no matter what Minnesota offers you, you're not getting one of those guys. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Arizona State's put it for and just selects Marvin Harrison Jr. and says,

we're good. This is our Larry Fitzgerald for the next 15 years. But their GM is quite a, let's just say, Monty Austin Ford is never scared to make a trade. And he grew up in the New England situation there where they always like to trade back and see if they can collect picks. They can collect picks and still get one of the top wide receivers. J.J. McCarthy could be a giant. So everybody's got the Vikings going moving up. Your mock draft is different. Again, you say it's based on what you're hearing. I think I've called the Vikings a furnished apartment for a quarterback.

They got everything. You don't even have to play for a year. So tell us what you hear about the Vikings because this is fascinating. This might be one of the best situations ever for a rookie quarterback to go into. You think about Addison and Jefferson at receiver, really good offensive line. And Kevin O'Connell, who is a quarterback guru and a play caller, the issue for me is even if you give up the 11, the 23 future first round picks, and I think the Vikings have more picks than anybody in the entire draft, even if you give all that up, if you're moving up to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5, those guys are going to want your first round pick. And back at 11, you might miss out on some key players. So you might miss out on neighbors or a dunze or Joe Alt.

But if you move back just a couple spots, whether it be with the giants or be with, you know, whoever else wants to trade up and offer stuff, you could still get one of those guys. So I think Minnesota has made the market aware that they are in the business of potentially moving up to get one of these guys. And whether that's with the four pick Arizona, the five pick, the chargers, or the, the seven pick with the Titans, that would probably be for McCarthy or May. But you better, you better not have someone in front of you offer something similar because those teams might want to deal with those teams as well. It's almost like they're very vulnerable where they're at right now because they've

made it clear that quarterback is of interest to them. And at 23, you're not getting any of those top four guys. And unless you package 1123 and another first rounder, maybe even another first rounder, those teams up at the top, four and five, they might not even want to make a deal with you. Yeah, you have Bow Nix at 23, which is I think, when I hear second round on Bo Nix, I think, and so much of this is crucial, Shregs, if you take out Andrew Luck, maybe a Caleb Williams, maybe a John Elway, largely where you land matters will determine a lot of your success. I mean, C.J. Stroud got the right coach, right coordinator, he's got a great Pro Bowl left tackle,

the right workable division. And I love C.J. Stroud, but a lot of things fell into place. My takeaway is Bo Nix sitting for a year with 61 college starts to Minnesota, left tackle back receivers. Like, I don't know. Kevin O'Connell to me, when I talk to guys in the league, they're like, this guy's McVeigh. It's called Tall McVeigh. So I don't know.

I think Bo, okay, so I want to go to this. He's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, just real quick, he's awesome. and is like he's a quarterback, an NFL quarterback. So there is no better place to go than a guy who's going to know all the stuff inside and out. And, you know, I think you let Kirk Cousins walk out of that building.

And as much as you and I love Darnold, you better get one of these guys. And if you don't, I think you better feel comfortable with Knicks or Pennix at 23. Okay, Jaden Daniels. I'm told it was a week ago, commanders, heavy lean to Jaden Daniels. What say you? What are you hearing? I think that's wise. Now, this is cool.

Last night, they had Michael Penix, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, J.J. McCarthy, all together and at top golf in D.C. They all played together, and all the Washington Brass was with them. But all the quarterbacks outside of Caleb, the next five guys, or four guys, they were all there interacting. Everything that I hear, it seems like, to Washington goes Jaden. Daniels. And what's cool about Washington is it's not just your typical head coach, GM, offensive quarter making this pick. Like Bob Myers, who's the old GM of the Warriors, who I see on

ESPN talking basketball, has had a lot of say not only in how they do their draft, but just, you know, coaching hiring and GM hiring. And then one of the cool hires is like Dave Gardy, who's a name who's not a household name anywhere outside of the league office, but Dave Gardy's been with the league for multiple decades and is one of the most trusted guys of the league office. It basically runs their entire salary cap and waiver wire system and is a mentor to everybody at the league. Dave Gardy was hired by the Washington commanders this week and has a role with them. Different voices who have different backgrounds are going to be involved in this decision. Whether you like that or not, I think it's going to be a collective decision.

I think Jaden Daniels, as we're eight days out, I think he is the pick. So I theorized earlier. Belichick was getting beat up today on a story that was released that he was not even in the top three in Atlanta. and then two hours later a story's released that Bill's interested in the Eagles, Cowboys, Giants. And my take was somebody on Bill's side leaked it to diffuse getting beat up all day on shows and get, you know, the narrative was like Bill's not even a candidate. And now all of a sudden I see still Bill still wants to be a candidate. Sometimes a year away, you know, the NFL sort of is very forgiving.

You know, it's amazing what happens after a couple of years. Do you think he'll ever get a head coaching offer again? I think he's going to get interviews. And I think when you hear that, you know, Dallas obviously has a long relationship with him with Stephen and Jerry Jones. And then when you hear Philadelphia in the article that I think Seth and Dan Van Nata or Don Van Nata wrote, I think they detailed that there was a conversation with Howie Roseman. It wasn't for the job. But it was just checking in. Even that enough in the Philly market is enough to like have this hovering above the team this season.

And the three teams that were mentioned were giants, eagles, and of course, Dallas. All three of those teams are really interesting with coaches and big years coming up. So I think I'll get interviews, but I thought the article was very well written. And as much of a bizarre situation it is that Belichick's not coaching, I think the stuff with the documentary and with the way their offseason spending went. And now this, like Robert Krapps had an interesting offseason too and the way that the Patriots fans are looking at him. Finally, we talked about, you know, Kevin O'Connell staying put and getting Bo Nix later. I am fascinated, partly because he's a friend and worked here with Sean Peyton and Denver. So you got Herbert's now got Harbaugh.

That's going to work. Andy Reed and Mahalms, watch out. And then you got, you know, you got the Raiders and you got the Broncos, very close draft picks in division. What is your best hunch? What do you hear on Sean Payton and what he's going to do? because I will say this. He knows this.

The first thing he did in Denver, that O line was significantly better last year. PFF had it like seventh. So we solved that. Now he's just going to solve the piece at quarterback. I don't see Sean as a patient guy that's going to wait until next year. What say you on that?

What are you hearing? I don't think they have the draft ammo to move up, though, from 12 to the top four. So as much as Sean might like those top four guys, he's got to really look at Pennix. He's got a really look at Nays. I think he's really got to look at Rattler, Spencer Rattler, who's probably a day two guy out of South Carolina, but he's that next group. And then I would look at what veterans they could still potentially acquire.

Is Ryan Tannahill a guy that you bring in there? Is Zach Wilson a guy that you trade for? There has to be other options. I think it's going to be really hard for Sean to move up from 12 to 4, and it's not just Sean. It's George Payton as well, the GM. but they're obviously interested. Sean Payton in the quarterback position is, he knows you got to have the right guy at the switch

and he had Breeze for so many years, but he takes a lot of pride. Hey, he says, we won with Tedney Bridgewater, we won with James Winston, we won with Taysam Hill. I think Sean is pretty confident that no matter who's that quarterback,

he could still compete with whoever they get at that position. Shrags. Full of information. Now, you do seven round draft, right? You do the whole thing, right? I did. I used to do it. Then I got tired.

lazy and now I just kind of say I used to do it. But I'm thinking I might want to do it again. I've got some time on my hands in the morning. So maybe I'll start cranking that out this week. Look at that work ethic, J-Mack, that commitment. Yeah. You have some time in the mornings. I wouldn't clog that up.

I'd keep that open if I was you. That's just my opinion. Okay. Just keep that open. Don't, don't. No reason. I'll tell you what, I love the area you live in. I'd stay out there too.

That's just my opinion. Anyway, good stuff. Colin, you're the best. See you, buddy. All right, Peter Schrager. There's a beautiful neighborhood at New York. No way, I'm leaving that neighborhood. Beautiful.

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I got to be clear eye to deliver the news. Can't be a journalist out there high as a kite wake and bake. I think some ego-eyed listeners and watchers will take something away from that little exchange there. Come on. By the way, what's the weather in Chicago today? Is it above freezing or no? My wife took a picture. Don't send me another one of them.

Gorgeous. Yeah, just stop doing it. Gorgeous. Let's go to the NBA. Bummer. Zion Williamson is out for the playing game. Season on the line against the Kings on Friday. It's a hamstring, according to Wojj.

Just disappointed. He'll be evaluated in the coming weeks. So even if the Pels get by the Kings, doesn't sound like Zion I'll be playing anytime soon. I don't know, man. This is just, it's disheartening. I don't know what you say at this point. He's always hurt.

He had got in great shape. He lost a lot of weight. Remember Skiddy Zion? I was talking about it months ago. He dropped a 40 burger on the Lakers head and then left the game and they blew it without him. Well, I think not all players. I mean, Anthony Davis had years and years of disappointment. And then the last year and a half has been great.

So you can't give up on Zion. He's two talented. He's too productive. But it's going to come to a head with Brandon Ingram here, right? They got to decide, poop or get off the pot? Are you going to extend him or you're just going to say, you know, he's not in our future? was never, I like Brandon Ingram. I'm just okay. I would keep Zion. I think Zion is more physically daunting.

I think he sells more tickets, even though he misses games. I think Zion is such a unique physical player. I would keep him around. Brandon Ingram's fine. You want to guess the line? Kings at the Zionless Pelicans. Well, seven points, Sacramento by seven. On the road? Four. Three and a half. I see one. Oh, I would take Sacramento. Without Zion?

So apparently, well, I got to do some more research here. This is a bit of a surprise to me that it's only one. I'm with you. I thought it would be more than one. I would keep, yes, of course, I would keep Zahom. Yeah. Zion is, I mean, there's never been a time where I've watched Brandon Ingram and thought he's unstoppable.

I thought he's hot. He's on a heater. But Zion last night, Lakers had no answer. If you could make him your three or four. No, no. I think that was. I think he would be a great three and a potential two. Potential.

If the one, like, let's say your one's like a Luke or Janus, he's a two. That's a real good two. But you're one is Zion and your two is Ingram. I think he's a better two because of his inability. It's like Anthony Davis is the world's best two. Because of his offensively, he's hit and miss and he can get banged up. But Anthony Davis has a two is the best two in the NBA. Yeah.

All right. Here's the story you teased earlier, also in the NBA. Raptor's Center, Jonte Porter, has received a lifetime ban from the NBA for violating the league's gambling rules. Porter, who is the brother of Nugget star Michael Porter Jr., allegedly bet on games, passed information to a gambler and claimed illness to influence wagers. It's an ugly story. This came out right around the same time the Otani stuff popped, and everybody focused on Otani. There was no gambling stuff with Otani.

It was his interpreter. This is a real big story. Yeah, this guy's do dumb things, win dumb prices. It was just a really bad move? This is not, you know, people, oh, my God, sports gambling. Everybody knows the rules. You don't change it because Tim Doneggey couldn't grow up and control himself. This is an individual player that just made really bad decisions.

Nobody in the league thought this was right. By the way, Rick New Heissel went into a betting pool when he was a college football coach. in trouble for that. There's just certain things that are common sense that you don't do. So this is not an indictment of the league. It's not an indictment of gambling. It's an indictment of a guy with really bad judgment. He made some bad to sit. Now listen, he was a big time basketball prospect in high school, had like back-to-back ACLs, watches his brother come out of injuries. His brother's making like $35 million a year next year. His brother's a very good player. Yeah. Porter was supposed to be a very good player. It didn't really pan out,

so he went kind of sideways with some of these decisions. He essentially gave a known NBA better information who then the better put an $80,000 parlay on Porter and ended up winning $1.1 million. They flagged it. They're like, what's going on here? Then they did the homework and Porter made some bad decisions. Listen, we've seen NFL players, Calvin Ridley, among others. I don't know if the teams and leagues can do a better job of just telling everybody, don't

gamble. Listen, you cannot do it. They're going to catch you. If somebody gets a DUI, don't blame the beer. Blame the person. Don't blame the bagel because you're struggling to lose weight. Or the tequila because you got a DUI or the gambling company or the league because you can't control yourself. We can't ban everything because you're not a grown-up.

I know, but let's just remember, these are 22, 23-year-old kids. I'm 22-year-old. I know, but. I wouldn't do this at 22. Let's, again. You wouldn't gamble at 20-2. You lived in Vegas, didn't you? If I played in the NBA, I wouldn't.

gamble on the NBA. I'd be smarter than that. I was in Vegas when I was young. I would agree. Like, they just need to be explicit. They're going to catch you. Okay. They have all the information. They're going to eventually get you. Don't, don't risk us out with you. By the way, I do this for a living. I have never once asked any of my sources ever, hey, is this guy playing? That would be to me inappropriate. I've asked about a draft prospect. I've asked about a theory on why you do this or that. But because I have a deal with Draft Kings, I never ask anybody,

is this guy playing? I never do that. That's just inappropriate. I don't know if it's illegal. It's inappropriate. So you've got to be smarter than that, right? You can't be doing things like that.

I mean, you're an NBA player. You know, that's just a not smart. I don't know if he can still go play internationally or... Yeah, I'm sure he can. I'm sure he's going to have options. There's a lot of money globally for basketball. You can make a lot of money in a lot of places. You go to Italy, you go to anywhere.

Final story is Marvin Harrison, Jr. has been seen by many as the top receiver in the draft. We've heard some stuff about neighbors maybe overtaking him. Some have ranked neighbors Adunzee ahead of him, which to me is crazy. C.J. Stroud has chimed in. He does not understand some of this stuff. Put on the tape. He's done it from really his freshman years, true freshman year, to now. When you talk about, I think I heard, I read something like he's NFL ready, but other guys,

or have more potential. That makes no sense. Like, what? Like, if you're NFL ready, how is that not potential? You know, like, you want longevity. You want somebody who's been doing it, you know, and for him, that's what he sleeps, eats, and he breathes, man. Whoever's who's up there, man, be smart. Don't be dumb. Don't think too hard. Yeah, he's a great player. I don't think there's. So we talked about neighbors, right, who was catch a pass from Jaden Daniels, who's going to go top five. Adunzee catching from Penix, who's the first round pick. By the way, who is Marvin Harrison catching passes from this past season? Remember?

Not off the top of my head. Yeah, you know where he transferred to. Syracuse. Yeah. Okay. He's out at Ohio State. Like, Marvin Harrison had by far the weakest quarterback. Go back two years, and he's catching passes from Stroud.

Unstoppable all season. And then in the playoff game, remember he was dominating the game before he got knocked out with a concussion. I think. You can't overthink it. No, I should do a mock draft. I should do a mock draft. Because there's a lot of different ways to do a mock draft. There is what you're hearing.

There is what you would do. And then there's just prediction mock draft. Which one should we do tomorrow? I think what you would do. I'm most interested in what Colin Coward would do. Would you really take Jane and Daniels over Drake May at two? At four. I'm going to do it tomorrow.

And you should do no trades, right? Just straight up. Okay, just straight up. Top 12 picks. What would I do? And if you pick neighbors over Harrison, we're probably going to have words. I think that's insane.

I'll tell you right now, I'd pick Caleb number one and Harrison the first receiver. And you can like neighbors under Dunezay, but it's more of a near. The track record is there. Let's not freak out. There's three receivers I've seen in my life in college football. Calvin Johnson,

Randy Moss, and Harrison. And I'm like, oh, they'll be a star. Jamar Chase is just below that. But that I saw and I thought, yeah, there's zero chance they're going to fail. It's zero chance. They may not be 12-time pro bowlers, but Marvin Harrison is going to succeed as a rookie in the NFL.

If he goes anywhere but New England, because I don't have, I don't think they have a functional office. Even in New England, he'd be their best player by far on office. And then would you, if you were New England, consider, I don't love the third quarterback off the board. I want to take Harrison. Well, I don't even know who the quarterback is projected. I think they're going to get Drake May.

That's what I, and I think he's going to play behind Jacoby Brissette for a year, or till Thanksgiving. And then I would load up, because they loaded up last year on kickers and interior linemen, I would go get wide receiver talent. They're going to be drafting back in the top five next year. Okay, I don't see why you take the third best quarterback. The advantage to drafting third is not only the first round. So I would get my quarterback if I'm New England.

Get your quarterback third. And then the preceding rounds, just trade down five or six. You don't have to trade down a lot. But in a second round, if I drop six spots, I could get a third round pick. So I have two threes. In the third round, I could get it, and I could get it fourth through a fifth. So get your quarterback if you could get them.

There may not be a Drake May. Let's say you win five games and you end up with a third pick. Next year's quarterback class. The quarterback, you don't want to move all that. You don't want to move up. So if Drake May falls to you, the best argument is probably take him and then move down. Like in the second round at the very top of the second round, I don't think there's a receiver.

there's a couple defensive tackles. It's heavy defense in the top of the second round. The bottom of the first, it's a lot of edge guys, corners. Top of the second. It's a lot of interior defensive linemen edge guys. I don't think that's where I would go. I would go receiver, second, third, fourth, fifth. I would look to move down slightly, accumulate picks.

I would draft at least two receivers. So Harrison, Daniels, or May. Now, here's the other option. If you can get someone, wouldn't you trade that third pick? Trade back. You need, we talked about this. And we saw the numbers. The Patriots have one of the lowest win totals projected by Vegas.

Now, Vegas is not always correct, but there's not a lot of talent. This could be a four-win team next year, Colin. You lose Belichick. Remember, we don't know the new coach is going to command the locker room. Like, there's a lot of stuff up in the air in New England. I don't know that I take a quarterback at three. I can't do any trades. I mean, then it's like, you know, everybody wants to trade back, right?

Outside of the Bears. I mean, I forgot. It is your show. No, I will. I think it's... The chargers want to trade back. Yeah. I mean, then when you have

3, 4, 5 all trading back, it's... It's a little confusing. All right. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Live News. Yesterday we did NBA playoff pressure cooker

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Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

All right, yesterday we did NBA pressure cooker with the West. How much pressure, high, medium low is on your NBA playoff team, including teams in the plan. J. Mack, are you ready for the Eastern Conference? Let's do it. All right. What level of pressure is on Trey Young and the Hawks? Very low. I mean, there were rumors they were getting rid of Trey Young at the trading deadline.

They have the worst record of any play-in, playoff team. They're going to do a little bit of a re-org in the off season. So I think there's very, very low pressure on off. Okay. What level of pressure is on Demar de Rosen and your Chicago Bulls? Seen them live two or three times this year, very, very low. Again, they had a losing record in six of their last season, seven seasons. It's not a winning organization right now.

They're a mile from the number one-seated Celtics. I mean, they're a competitive team. They play hard with Billy Duff. Donovan. They're competitive. I think they get the most out of what they are, but there's no big pressure. All right. Let's get to the good team. What level of pressures on Jimmy Butler in the Miami Heat? Medium because Bam and Butler are an excellent duo, and you can't be a one-and-done team when you have one of the top five or six duos in the NBA. And Spolster is known for getting every single thing out of his team. So, and I think, I think even if they lost in the first round, but they took somebody like Celtics six games, I think, you'd look at that and think that's about what they are.

So there's a little pressure because of Butler and Bam, mostly on Butler to win a playoff series. What level of pressure is on Joel Embed in a Sixers? I think it's high. Never won a second playoff series. You know, they were 31 and 8 when Embed play. Maxi's become a star. And you've got the guy I like Tobias Harris.

They made a deal. They got length. There's no reason this team can't win a couple of playoffs series. We're going to have the second most cap space, by the way, this summer. They get an interesting team going forward. They got a lot of cap space. Certainly. What level of pressure is on Tyrese Halliburton and the Pacers?

Low, super young team. And again, if they face Milwaukee and take them six or seven, I think the win is for the Indiana Pacers. Oh, six or seven? Oh, I think they're a matchup problem for Milwaukee. A big matchup problem. They play very fast. I think they also, unlike, they have a great bench.

So, again, they can throw eight, nine guys at you, stay fresh, young, fresh, deep bench, play some defense. But I think it's really low. They're a year away from being interesting. All right. Well, level of pressure is on Paolo Bancaro in the Orlando match. I mean, if we had none, first of all, they're way ahead of schedule. Bankero, didn't he make like second team all NBA or something? He's pretty good player.

Jalen Suggs now is not a bust. I think they're way ahead of schedule. I think they got some money to spend. And the other thing is, you know what they are, they can't shoot. I mean, they're one of the teams out there that would spend big money on play. Play. So they're young, they're ahead of schedule, they can't shoot. So again, if they were competitive in the first round and took somebody six, you'd be like, I can't wait for next year.

It's always been baby steps for young teams in this league. Yeah, they face the calves. Well, what level of pressure is on Donovan Mitchell and the Cavs? I think it's medium. I'm like, this is kind of like you're not the magic or the Pacers. You've got to win. They're very Donovan Mitchell dependent. They don't win when he doesn't play.

I also think if Donovan Mitchell, he's going to make some decisions here. And, you know, if they get extinguished and he looks around and thinks, my guys don't support me. They're like, I think they're more talented than the Knicks. But I feel like I don't know what the Cavs exactly are. I feel like I know what the Knicks are and their limitations. I think the cab should be better than they are. I agree. What level of pressure is on Dame Lillard and the Yannis list for at least a game?

I think it's high. I don't care if he's got a calf injury. Come on now. You made a coaching move. Yonis and Dame are a top three duo. You have the oldest team in the league. Bobby Portis is your kid. He's 29.

So you don't have any number one picks because of pick swaps and you got Dame and Drew Holiday. So you don't have a lot of draft capital. You've got a win series here. You got Brooke Lopez, Janice, Dame, Chris Middleton, Bobby Portis. I don't care if Yonis doesn't play for a couple of games. You've got to beat Indiana. Even if Yonis misses two games, you've got to beat Indiana. They're a bunch of kids.

All right, what level of pressures on Jalen Brunson and my Knicks? Julius Randall's out, injury low. Again, I think if they're competitive, I think you have to feel great about the Knicks. You got your star. You made a move at the deadline. I think they like their team. They're just one really good offensive player shy, and they're going to go get that. They got the coach they like, so it's low.

I think they've been a fun story. That story is going to end pretty quickly, but I don't think there's any pressure. And finally, what level of pressure is on Jason Tatum and the Boston side? The highest level of heat. I'm tired of hearing about all-NBA Tatum. This team could arguably statistically be the best offense ever. Favorites to win the title. They won the East by 14 games ahead of the Eastern Conference's number two seed.

They won 64 games. Huge, huge pressure. I am struggling to think of an NBA team that had this much pressure ever going into the playoffs. Name one. Name an NBA team that had more pressure than the Boston Celtics do this year. If they don't win series in five games, they've got to fly through the East. This is embarrassing. They have to win these series fast.

Yeah, no, that's a difficult one. I'll just say that, remember, Holiday just joined the team. They got to... Just join the team. Yeah, this season. Porzegas just joined the team. They play 82 games this season. I know, but two starters brand new.

Oh, when you're a veteran, Drew Holiday, joining a team, I'll give you 30 games to figure out. I'm going to start calling you the specialist. All you want to do is blow teams up and just set the dynamite. Milwaukee, it's over. Boston detonate. Called standards. Got to hit the standards. No patience.

What if Boston, so we give them the finals? They should just get a free pass to the finals. But they go to the finals and they lose in five to Denver and Tatum shrinks a little. Well, there'll be underdogs. There'll be underdogs to Denver, right? Yep. Yeah. I think it's not a big deal.

Okay, no big deal. Getting to the finals is extremely hard. You ever heard Boston media? Okay. Okay, here's another one. That Bo Nick story is interesting. Oh, geez. How about this story?

That click out of it? So another network did quarterback tears, and they have all these quotes from folks. And so for Bo Nix, they had this quote that multiple coaches who interviewed Nix said his interviews felt scripted and rehearsed. But he shines when he lets it loose and shows his personality. We had him on here set for 15 minutes.

He was great. He's a college kid and sounds grown up and mature. By the way, aren't you Sporo, Sporo, Stu? Don't your agents have you rehearse certain things? You don't want to get in trouble and step in it? I thought that was the sort of what you do. I know you haven't had a job interview in a while, but do you remember when you had job interviews back in the day?

You had to like get ready and prepare. You want to get all the answers. I remember my first job interview at a country western station, Spokane Washington. Cool. Yeah, nailed it. Didn't get the job. So you're like, here's Winona Judd.

I'm Colin Coward. I came in with a nickname, country Colin. No way. And you got denied? No, I didn't get the job. I wore a bolow tie and came in. I was like, listen, I used to live in San Antonio. I didn't even call it San Antonio.

I said, San Antonio. I'm country Colin. You were a hot shot young guy, huh? You really thought your stuff didn't stink. I did. I interviewed at a country station. I didn't wear a polo tie. Who were the big country stars in the 60s when this happened?

Oh, I'm sorry. Waylon Jennings. Is that the guy who wrote the Dukes of Hazard Theme song? I don't know. It's a great show. Kenny Rogers was big for a while. The gambler. Yeah.

Kenny Rogers, Whalen Jennings. Yeah. What about a stand by your man? Who's saying that? Is that Winona Judd or one of the Judson? No, Dolly, that's got to be Dolly Parton, right? Dolly Parton. Jolene?

Yeah. I don't, I don't know. Yeah, I think, I don't know. My country music is very limited. Yeah, I like it, though. My wife likes it. So I like it when I just don't listen to her lot. But if it's on, my wife plays it.

Like if we go out in the summer and we're on a boat or something like that with friends, my wife, yeah, she likes country. I thought you'd be listening to Yacht Rock. You know what that is, right? No. Yot rock. That's like an actual station on Sirius. All right.

It's like kind of chill music. I'm not subscribing to that right now. Too much baseball talk. What's what the hell's talking about? All right. See you tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends.

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