The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - NFL news and notes

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

FOX Sports NFL & CFB Analyst Geoff Schwartz stops by The Herd to talk about Caleb Williams' comments on his first season with the Bears, Brock Purdy's new contract, Shedeur Sanders playing for the Browns and more  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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FSSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Jeff Schwartz played in the NFL for almost a decade. Of course, his brother is Super Bowl winner, right tackle for the Kansas City Chiefs. He is now joining us live, which we always appreciate him stopping by. Also host a Bear Betts podcast with our friend Chris Felica. So, you know, Caleb Williams, one of the comments off the Seth Wickersham book was, there's nobody there watching film with me.

So you tell me when you're watching film as a quarterback Is it a solo endeavor? Are their coaches always there? You tell me? What I found interesting about that comment isn't really about the coaches helping them and says, there's no veteran to help them.

That's how you learn watching film from veterans, from guys that have done it before. Yeah, your coaches can help you, but the coaches have the game plan if they meet on their own. And there are specific times when you do meet with them and they do work with you. But a lot of times when you watch film,

quote, unquote, like on your own, it's with a veteran. when you're young player. I mean, Jordan Gross was my mentor, giving him a shout out. He helped me learn how to watch film, how to lift, how to prepare, how to do all those things. And when you look at the debt chart last year of the Bears,

there was no veteran. Like, that was a huge mistake of theirs. They didn't have someone just there, not to compete with him for the job, but just there, hey, man, here's how you prepare. Here's how you watch film. Here's how you watch a pressure tape. Here's how you watch a base defense tape.

Here's what you do on Fridays. Here's how you prepare on Saturdays. And, of course, Williams is to always do exactly what the veteran tells them to do, but it's a good sounding board. It's someone to talk to who's been through the battles of NFL season. There was no one there to do that with. So a couple of with probably not understanding

that coaches might not watch as much film with you as you'd like is you have to find a different way to learn. And that's a way a lot of guys learn. And so that was surprising to me that, I guess I hadn't thought about that. Then I wouldn't look back at the depth chart. And there was no one there, no teammates to help him. Do his comments, they bother Boomer Osias,

and do they bother you in retrospect? They don't bother me. I do question sort of the timing of why they're out now. The book that's not due till September, last I checked, it's the middle of May are people rushing out to buy the book today because the comments are out. So that's kind of, I don't know why they're out today. But look, his dad, I think ended up being right in year one,

a lot of dysfunction, not a great situation. So, you know, in the end, his dad was right now. Obviously, now you can change the course of the history of the Bears, right? You bring in Ben Johnson, you bring in the additions they've made to the offensive line and on defense, and you can become the Bears' first 4,000-yard pastor and change everything. But I think up until now, his dad has been right. I mean, his family's been right. It has been dysfunction.

And look, I know they hope to change that with the Ben Johnson hire. You know, it's funny, the world we live in. I can like a player, but in a salary cap sport, you know, I don't. worry about it in baseball pay one soda what you want if you're steve cohen but i didn't like the toa deal or the dac deal and i feel the exact same way about the brock pretty deal i like dac and tua at the right number now revenues go up uh maybe 53 feels like 48 in two years but i feel the exact same way i've i've called brock pretty jeff the a fc tua not as good in bad weather little than I'd love can struggle pushing the ball downfield again it's a little windy or inclement and a

couple injuries where one more i'm i'm not sure what i have do you feel that it's kind of like the two a deal i feel like he's one of the quarterbacks that you have mentioned that needs a lot around him to elevate his team right he's not a guy like an alan behalms herbert jackson like we know that right that a guy that's going to elevate everyone around him if things are going well he's going to play really good the thing we don't talk about with the Niners, and with some of these teams as well that sign these quarterbacks, is how important it is to draft and develop when you pay someone this much money.

The Chiefs have done it well, the Eagles, the Ravens, the Bill to some extent, the Niners haven't. Go look at their roster right now, Colin. Find me the impact players they have draft in the last five seasons. Right. Not a lot of them. And that's what's going to hold them back, is they have not draft and develop.

And look, they lost multiple first round picks on the Trey Lance deal. So they have a first round pick for a couple of years. Hard to draft impact players in the third, fourth and fifth round, like successfully year after year. And they just don't have. So they paid Brock pretty, which they had to do as you mentioned. Like they had to. They had to do it.

There was no option. But now you look at the roster and you think, okay, when Trent Williams is gone, when Kittles older, when McCaffrey's older, when all these guys get older, where they impact players? Now last year's draft was good, I think, so far. They got a guard, and Pearsall, I think it'll be good, but obviously it was hampered first half of last year with playing time. The problem with the Kniters isn't they paid Purdy? It's the rest of the roster, where's the young, impactful players?

Yeah, they're hoping McHale Williams is that. They're hoping the kid they got in the first round is that. You know, it's a couple of weeks ago we had, or a week ago, we had the rookie mini camps. Now, I am under the, I believe this, that Dylan Gabriel was a reach. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback of note. I think the front office of Cleveland, not counting the owner, wanted to draft a quarterback so they'd get out of the Shadur conversation. My buddy John Middlok mentioned this.

And then by the fifth round, the owner knocked on the door and said, go draft him. That said, I think Shadur is going to win the job. I don't think he's great, but I think he's accurate. He moves well enough. Where do you land on that circus? I mean, it's, can he pick it? It's Gabriel. It's Shadour.

It's Flak. Where are you on the Cleveland quarterback situation? I feel like there's sort of two separate job applications. Jobs happen, right? There's like the Flacco Kenny Pickett who's going to start. Like that's one competition, right? And the loser of that most likely is released, okay? And then there's sort of like the Gabriel Sanders, who's the primary backup?

I don't think that at Gabriel Sanders camp, unless they are so good early in training camp, are going to overtake sort of the picket Flacco who's going to start competition, right? Because look, those guys have experience. And I mentioned this when the draft happened. There's four quarterbacks that need reps. You have single practices now. You don't have two a days. And now even practices, you get every fourth day off

and you have a load management day. Like there's just not enough reps calling unless Jadur is that good early on. He's that much better than Flacco, which he probably won't be in practice, right? Flacco has done this a long time now. So you basically would have to give him the job saying, hey, man, we just see so much of practice. There's not a lot to see in games yet. will give him jobs.

I think early on it's probably Flacco Pickett, whoever wins that job, and then the primary backup will just be the winner of the Sanders-Gabriel. I think, look, Gabriel, I'm with you. I think he's a career backup, but he's going to look good in practice. Like, you're going to have to basically

lose that job in the preseason, and I think he will. I think Sanders will play better than him. So I think that right now, I think Flacco starts part of the year as a quarterback. At some point, though, Sanders overtakes him and gets chel. Because Flacco gives you only so much, right?

There's not a lot of upside in that. It just sort of get you through the first couple weeks, maybe feel good about your offense, get some wins here and there, don't make a ton of mistakes. Eventually, that's going to run out. We saw it in India last year. They tried to bench Richardson for Flacco. It lasted like two weeks. So I think Sanders will eventually play, but probably not start the season number one. The, I was talking about this. There's been these questions about, I'll circle back to Caleb Williams, that there was a little bit of ego. And I said, well, he was the first NIL superstar,

so I've defended him. And there was questions about Shadour not wanting to, like, you know, his dad kind of leading the charge on. So the last couple years, we've had Caleb, a little pushback on the emotion, NIL, Shadur Sanders, drops in the draft, dad's talking. Next year we have Arch Manning. And again, the Manning family is American royalty. Now, I think it's interesting how they've handled it. they have never transferred.

They've been, now he's making six million to NIL. Yeah. So I think the mannings have been because of dad, Eli, Payton, like they get the game, they get the quarterback position,

right? Like just be a good sport, be a backup to Quinn Ewers. But you're a college football diehard and I think I'm beyond a casual in college football. What do you make a year out? A year ago today,

Quinn Ewers was a first round quarterback. Is Arch Manning? is the Manning name a bigger part of this than the talent? What do you see with him? Yeah. We just, he hasn't played a ton of football yet. I mean, when he's played the football, there's obviously signs that he can mature into something that's special.

I get to think about this year in college football, it's the year of the quarterback. I mean, there's like eight quarterbacks right on top of your head that could go number one. Now, obviously, they probably all won't be the ninth quarterback who goes first overall. But you look at Arch, you look at Club Nick, and Ness Meyer and all these guys. I'm missing, obviously, a bunch of names here.

Like, there's going to be so many quarterbacks this year. It's going to be sort of like an ice cream flavor, right? Like you pick your favorite one, and it might be different across different teams. Archer just has to play more. When you see more consistent play, he just hasn't played, right? Ewers has been a starter. He's spot started. He's looked good in those moments.

But look, when you spot start, teams don't have film on you. You know, it's the fifth, sixth, seventh game in a row you played where teams start figuring out, okay, well, when he rolls to his right, he does this. When he looks left, he does that. There's the offense that they've designed for him. What if we take that away? What's next? So in the glimpses we've seen, he looks like a very complete quarterback.

Just, you see a full season. He'll get a full year this year. A lot of people predict Texas back in maybe a championship game, winning the SEC. Like, he'll have his moments this year, Colin. They have a hard schedule. Like, they play at Ohio State, and then they have Georgia as well. They might have Bama as well.

Like, they're going to have an opportunity, or he will have an opportunity to play the better teams in the country to show us whether or not he's good enough. Now, the last thing I'll say here, the NFL draft, I think, has gone away from what do you show me on Saturdays and it's more what can you be on Sundays. So we might think a quarterback here and there doesn't have it in college, but teams look at his talent, his arm talent, his, his maturity, his mental capacity, his ability to see things, you know, happen in real time and say we want that guy on our team. The college production doesn't matter as much.

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And I said this last year. I got some pushback. I said it last week. Is that people are hyperventilating. The first thing the WNBA did is they just didn't understand how popular Caitlin Clark was. I mean, again, with Taylor Swift, you got 10 years if you're ticket master to figure out how popular she was. Sometimes you just don't know how big of a star she is. So I'm not going to crush the league for that.

But it was funny watching the foul over the weekend that got upgraded to a flagrant. And I thought, God, the league doesn't know how to officiate this rivalry yet. It's like nobody quite knows how to handle it. What did you make of this foul, the flagrant, the talk after? What did you make of it? I like competitors that are fiery. I've said this for many years now. Like, sports are emotional.

It's okay if in the emotion of a sport, to grown adults yell at each other and are angry. I've never had a problem with it. I don't get the flagrant foul system in basketball. I've never gotten it. That didn't look like a flagrant to me. They sort of deem like anything extra, non-intentional that's a little bit hard as a flagrant foul.

The thing that's so fascinating to me, I'm going to steal this from Josh Paye because he came up with this term. In 2023, when Colorado started three-o-o, there were a lot of people talking about Colorado and Deon Sanders that did not. talk about college football ever and they said things that were well a little bit different and that's the d on tax he said right where it's people that don't really cover the sport that don't they don't pay attention to the sport that now are forced to talk about it because it's popular and they're on shows and they got to say something it feels like right now we're like a wmba tax a caitland clark injuries tax where people are commenting about the sport the a don't watch it they don't watch sports a lot they don't understand sports like to me yeah it's a hard foul it happens in sport Injuries got upset.

She yelled at Clark. Like, that's what happens a lot all the time. NBA, NFL, NFL, NHM. You watch NH, I watch tons of the age. They fight all the time. They punch each other in the face. They get into it after a goalie gets hit. So to me, that's sports, and there's nothing more or less than what happened during that play.

But everyone has to talk about it because they want to talk about the popular thing that happened this weekend. So it's like it's attacks on new fans having it. There was, I've seen stuff where people said, Colin, that she should. not play against a fever anymore. Angel Reese, like, what are we doing? It's just sports. They're passionate athletes who, one fouler, one yelled at. Like, that's it. It's nothing more than that. Yeah, basketball's not soccer. We don't swap jerseys. Animosities, okay. There's a history from high school, AAU, college, of the pros where teams don't love each other. I mean, it was, I covered UNLV and Duke. You remember this year old enough to remember this. I covered UNLV

in Duke, and the coaches loved each other. But there was a lot of good guys. But there was a lot of good guy, bad guy, you know, the guys in the desert, they're the bad guys, the Duke kids are great, and there was a lot of animosity, and in the end, it was like, it was great. A lot of those players ended up liking each other or playing with each other, and I think to Josh Page, as a smart guy, to his credit, there's a lot of overreaction to what is just sports. That's all it is. It's just sports. It's all it is. And I think, by the way, this is all great for the league. I think they didn't realize what was coming until the last couple of years. But all this attention, more eyeballs.

I've never watched more. WMBA, not just Kailen Clark, like all of it more often now. Some of that is a sports wagering, of course. But nonetheless, I've watched more of it. I know you have. Like, we all have, and it's good for league. And they'll figure out sort of, I think, what the discourse should be when it comes to these two players. Jeff Schwartz, as always, buddy.

I appreciate it. Thank you. Take care, bud. And how about J-Mac now with the news? No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's get started with that Nuggets Thunder series.

It ended with a bit of a thud. Nicole Yokic got zero help from his boys on the road and they got smashed. Interestingly, after the game, Colin, Nicola Yokic was talking to reporters and he was pretty blunt about their chances next year with the same unit. Do you feel like this team could still win a championship as, it's put together now? I mean, we didn't, so obviously we can't. If we could, we will win it.

So I don't believe in those if stuff. So we had the opportunity. We didn't win it, so I think we can't. The teams that has a longer rotation, longer bench, it's the one who are winning, Indiana, what's the name, Locustee So

Plano, sort of Yeah, Denver is feeling a little old, a little brittle, and a little expensive. Jamal Murray plays himself into shape every year like Aaron Gordon got banged up and, yeah, I mean,

it's, I would move Porter, I would consider moving Murray. I thought Christian Brown played really well. He was good. Yeah, I mean, my take is Yokic and Aaron Gordon, I'm riding with those two and Christian Brown, I think really grew as a player. He's a bit stiff.

He's not as fluid as I'd like. But in the end, I think Murray will probably come back because they have so much, like, institutional knowledge of each other. Yokic and Murray, they've played together so many possessions. But I do think, J-Mack, I think they feel a little old, a little brittle, and a little expensive. Yeah, no, you're spot on. Now, I do have the salaries in front of me. Yokic is locked in for a while.

Murray is locked in. They're not going anywhere. The issue is Porter. You said I would move off Porter. They owe him two years, $78 million. Yeah. That's pricey. He was basically playing with one arm in the series.

I think he averaged nine points, Colin. A shell of himself. Maybe he gets healthy. If you want to move him, I'm sorry, but you're going to have to attach a number one pick to it. Like, nobody's taking Porter unless you're giving me something else. Then they got the Zeke Najee deal. He was a horrible move by the GM.

They have no bench, Colin. Like, Yokit just saying it, this is unsustainable. We can't run it back. So you either got to play the young guys and take your medicine and lose a bunch of games or attach first round picks to get off quarter. This is not going to be helpful for Nuggets fans, but the future is very ugly. Let's be honest. Look how valuable Russell Westbrook was in the playoffs.

Why? Because he gave you great energy. When you watched Denver this year in the playoffs, did you not think this more than once? they look gassed. Well, against the clippers. Yeah, well, I mean, I thought they looked gassed against O.K.C. That's why Westbrook's energy was so vital. Everybody all of a sudden, myself included, we're like, oh, God, Westbrook's valuable.

On this old team that's banged up, he was really valuable. They got to get younger, and they have to get deeper. I don't think there's any question. So Westbrook has a player option. Do you think he picks it up and stays in Denver? Yes. Or does he leave and say, I can make more than $3.5 million? Somewhere else.

I think he stays there, and I think they need him. I think he's good energy for them. We'll agree to disagree on that. Let's move on to the Knicks, Colin. Very excited for this series against the Pacers. So game one is Wednesday. Nix will have had a lot of free time to rest up. They get in price for game one, $703 at MSG,

and that's for like nose blade, upper deck, worst seats in the building. Comparatively, game one of the Timberwolves OKC, $160. It's a slight difference. People in New York are very fired up. You saw the scenes from 7th Avenue on Friday. It was a party. Did you see the video of Timothy Shalamee, my guy, the actor?

He was like in a car in the middle of the street. Comes out the window. People are acting like he was like the president of the United States. It was awesome. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's also a lot of money in New York. I mean, let's just not kid ourselves here. It's going to be, I do think in terms of big picture,

I think the Knicks will carry a lot of, I think the arena, I think New York feels just, it feels different. It's like for years and years you'd watch the Big East Tournament in Madison Square Garden. And it didn't matter that the ACC may have been better on certain years or the Big 12. It was like the Big East tournament felt bigger in New York. Louis Carnaceka against John Thompson or whoever it was. So I just think, I think New York basketball jumps through the TV. So I think they'll get pretty good numbers.

I don't think OKC Minnesota will do terribly well, but I think if you're a basketball head, I think you'll like it. So if the Knicks make the finals come, we can throw out all the, hey, we need to change the three-point line. And the league is too boring, too many old stars. Just get the Knicks to the finals. That makes me wonder, are they going to get a favorable whistle, or do you not want to delve into a conspiracy series two days before game?

I think the most fascinating, remember, people predicted years ago that when Utah played Michael Jordan, people thought it was going to be terrible ratings because of small market Utah. But because Utah was built to stop Michael and it actually ended up being a great finals. It got huge. To this day, it may be one of the,

I think it's the highest rated final ever. Colin, that was like 1998. I don't even know that the streaming existed. Like, come on. That was a different era. No, no, no. It was the story, Jason. Television's about stories.

The Subway Series got a terrible world series. Nobody outside of New York cared. Utah was a good story. Small Market, Utah against Michael Jordan. And the flu game became a great story. Oklahoma City, the small market, and New York, the deepest roster and a team that plays five guys, that is a great story.

So if you gave Adam Silver Truth Serum, do you think he would want Nick's Thunder or Nick's? Anthony Edwards. Well, I think Ant is, you know, Ant in New York performing. But to me, sports has always been Caitlin Clark. Is she as good as Cheryl Miller? She's a great

story. Midwest girl, non-traditional power. The Next Step Curry. Like, some of its aesthetic, some of its story. And I think Denver, by the way, I liked him, but Denver wasn't a fascinating story. Their star was a second round pick.

I think the Knicks will carry the day. You know, I think Knicks OKC is great, but I, and in the finals probably is a better marquee. Ant against the Knicks is probably, again, I'm saying story, is probably the better story. The final story, Colin, is to the NFL where we have one, maybe two NFL quarterback competitions and the Cleveland Browns is front and center. Currently, Joe Flacco and Kenny Picker are the veterans, and you've got the young kids,

Dylan Gabriel and Shadour Sanders. With OTA set to begin next week, there are early reports out of Cleveland. Wait for it, Colin, that Kenny Pickett is the front runner for the Cleveland Brown job. As Colin, if you can't see him on TV, he is definitely making a face.

He doesn't like to hear that. Kenny Pickett apparently will get the bulk of the first team reps, and he's going to be given an opportunity to win the job. Yeah, and that's fine. But he is not as good as Flacco, and he is not as good as Shadour. So that's fine. You can give whoever you want.

You know, they may be looking to move people. I'm not going to carry. They're probably going to carry two quarterbacks, not four or five. So you want to give him reps. Kenny Pickett, probably. He went to Philadelphia as a backup. Probably as a market as a backup. But I think Jeff Schwartz nailed it.

Once you get into real camp, how are you going to give these guys snaps? Dylan, Gabriel, and Shadur need snaps. I wouldn't have a problem if the organization just went. Shadur won Dylan Gabriel 2. I have no problem. Just go two rookie quarterbacks. One to clear backup.

One clearly bigger, better arm, better player. Okay, so you wouldn't have a problem with that. Kevin Stefanski is the coach. He drafted Dylan Gabriel. That was his guy. Two rounds ahead of Shadur. Do you really think he's going to start Shadur? I think Kevin Stafansky wants to win games.

And whether you like it or not, Sidura will pop after a very short time as your best player. I really believe it. I really believe. That's not like PC. Like I said this, I understood those who let him drop to the middle second round, like you just don't think. But if there was no noise around it, no noise.

In his dad wasn't famous, there was no noise. It's hard for me to believe that he's not at least a mid to a late second round pick. Dylan Gabriel, me, was a fifth round pick. moved up. So that's interesting. So you think just on talent, if you remove the last name and all that I could, I can see Peter, there are not that many teams needed a quarterback, and I can see people liking Jackson Dart more than Shadur. I didn't, but I get it. Like I can see, there was only about six teams that needed a quarterback, and nobody's going to fall in love with Shadour. He's not big, he's not elusive. There's nothing there. Cam Ward, there are things you watch, his elusiveness,

his arm strength. You're like, there's wow. There's no wow to Jackson's. Jackson Dart, there's no wow to Shadour. I think they're both second round quarterbacks, probably. I would take Shadur late first and be okay with it. Jackson Dard, I thought was a reach, Dylan Gabriel a reach. I thought the kid from Louisville, who's 45 years old. I thought he was a reach. But I think you're kidding yourself if you think Shadur is a fifth round quarterback.

He's a better prospect than that. Dylan Gabriel, what round you think he would have been? I think he's a fifth round quarterback. I think he's a career backup. That's fine. He's a good career back. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

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Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down. Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Welcome back. It was this time, was it last week of the week before, that the sports world exploded with a Cooper flag, apparently headed toward the Dallas Mavericks. And I thought, you know, again, when you've been doing what we've been doing for as long as we've been doing it, there's just something about the NBA where any. Anytime there's a whiff of the conspiracy theory, it resurfaces. I find it comical.

Like you'd want Zion going to the Pelicans. Like you'd want Cleveland winning multiple lotteries or Orlando winning multiple lotteries. How come the Lakers aren't winning lotteries? You know, I mean, this league like every industry, you just have certain general managers who are smarter. Danny Aange has worked a lot of GMs, Brad Stevens, Sam Presti. there's bad GMs, there's bad pilots.

Some guys can land on the Hudson, some guys you don't trust landing at LAX. Like the reality of the NBA, I just, the idea that you would have picked Dallas. My take is if San Antonio would have won it and you get three straight potential rookies of the year, that would feel like, oh, that was a gift to Greg Popovich. I never even thought for a second. I mean, there's not one part of me that thought the NBA wanted to be. that thought the NBA wanted to reward Nico Harrison. Like, why?

He made a bad deal. If anything, it was a bad light on the NBA. Well, Luca ended up in Los Angeles. Well, Luca had just been to the finals in Dallas. The Lakers are always okay. They're always fine. So here was Jason Kidd, by the way, on the Dallas Mavs podcast about the upcoming draft.

Who you drafted on June 25th? We love that kid from Duke. been studying him a little bit. And so that's the answer. That's the real answer. I mean, this draft is really talented. You have some young men at the University of Rutgers. And so it's exciting.

But right now I'm studying the young man that used to play at Duke. Yeah, I think it's interesting for Dallas. They've had Dirk and they've had Luca. This would be their first major, even Nash was from Canada, their first major domestic star, I think it plays well. Yeah, I think, you know, it's just there's something about the NBA. And maybe it's because if you, you know, there's always been this sense that if you get the star, you know, you're golden.

Like, oh, the Knicks got Patrick Ewing. Well, it's okay if New York occasionally wins a lottery. If you really look at the lottery odds, what they've done, they've made it into a raffle. It's just nobody has an advantage. What they don't want is tanking working. So the teams with the worst record, I think it's three years in a row. This year it was Utah, they end up with a fifth pick, and that's what they wanted. So they've engineered it.

They have fixed it so that the teams that are absolutely awful in case they are tanking don't get the number one pick. So they get good picks, they don't get the great pick. So it's got very much a raffle feel to it. But I can remember people really believe this. I'll tell you a conspiracy theory. I covered UNLV for years. When they lost, so they won the national championship the year before they had crushed, it was in Denver, I was there, they crushed Duke.

Duke had Bobby Hurley. I think Bobby Hurley got sick. Stomach flew during it and Allah Abdul-Nobie was on that team. And Larry Johnson and Stacey Ogman and Greg Anthony and Anderson Hunt and Moses Scurry and David Butler. and they roll Duke. So they come back the next year as an overwhelming favorite, and they lose to Duke. And people are like, oh, somebody was out gambling,

that this can't, this is not, this has to be thrown. Well, no, Grant Hill was not on that team in Denver. Grant Hill, the high school basketball player of the year, Grant Hill was on the next Duke team that played. Leitner, Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill. Grant Hurl was a spectacular, spectacular college basketball player, even as a freshman in Duke. And also, it was hard for UNLV.

They had just thrashed this team to try to make them believe this Duke team was going to beat them. I was at that game as well. Right out of the tip, Duke got an alleyup slam dunk. I think it may have been to Grant Hill, and I was there for that game. And late in the game, Greg Anthony got into foul trouble, and UNLV is a heavy favorite. Tark was never a great, like, late game coach because he was in so many blowouts in those weaker Western conferences he was in. And so it got to be a close game. Shoshowski was kind of working him. Greg Anthony was hurt. Anderson Hunt really wasn't a true point guard, though he was

small and should have been. And Grant Hill was exploding on the scene. So it's just, and by the way, there have been sports. Have tennis matches years ago been thrown? Yes, was the mob infiltrating some college basketball, Henry Hill? Absolutely. Tim Donagie's situation was real but when you get into this NBA is rigged thing folks I told somebody the other day I was having a cigar to play oh he goes the NBA that and I said listen things get rigged when somebody's not getting taken care of things get rigged I said everybody's getting rich in the NBA the commissioner the owners the players the coaches the role players everybody's getting rich you have

scrupulous people and you have fixes in when somebody's not making money. The mob to college basketball. College basketball players are starving on a college campus, not making money. They're easy targets. Right? Like everybody in the NBA is getting theirs. So, you know, there's just not, there'd be no reason to fix anything, right? especially after the 11-year $76 billion contract.

When you can find somebody that's kind of getting ripped off, that's why I always said college basketball, that's a sport you could infiltrate. You have 360 Division I programs. Half of them never get on TV regularly. Nobody's watching the game. And college players until like four years ago, the NIL weren't making anything. That's something that could get fixed. The NBA, people are making out too much money.

Even in the 70s and 80s, when Michael was around in the 80s and 90s, you were splitting pies. Michael didn't have a huge contract. Magic was making a million a year. Roll players now making $20 million a year. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. First things first is right around the corner. Fun today on a Monday. We'll see you tomorrow on FS1.

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