The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Nick Saban

Episode Date: July 17, 2025

More on the possible future of LeBron James, the Lakers, NBA rumors, and more Discussing Nick Saban's possible jump to the NFL   Guest: Dan WoikeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. So a lot of clarity. We're going to get to Caitlin Clark in a second. Urban Meyer making news on Nick Saban today. But first, I want to bring in Dan Wojke, right from the athletic and covers the Lakers, because I have said this time of the year, breadcrumbs and rumors become headlines.

LeBron's got a no trade clause. I think he's a really good player. And if you're going to move him, now it's not the time you've upgraded. at Center, JJ Redick's second year. So let's start with this. There have been a lot of rumors. Everybody's got an opinion.

It's July. Do you think the new ownership group has even had a discussion on moving LeBron, Dan? I don't because it's not their decision, right, Colin? I mean, you mentioned in the previous segment. LeBron James said the no trade clause. And so the order of operations here would have to be a request

from LeBron James. I don't believe the Lakers are going to come to LeBron James with a trade and say, this is what we want. Will you accept it? I think it would have to be the other way around. I mean, I think the Lakers are very comfortable, you know, being in this stage of the LeBron James business

despite sort of the inherent uncomfortabilities of it, the fact that you don't know with any certainty how much longer he's going to be able to play at this level and the pressure, particularly the win now pressure that his presence has put on the organization since really the day he signed for this last chapter of his career

and it's just gone on and on and on. So that's kind of, I really don't think it's an ownership thing. I think it's sort of, you know, he still kind of controls his destiny in that way. The leverage that the Lakers have and all this is that they were the team with the option.

You know, he had to opt into their confidence, contract at $54 million. And I think that to me, he's on the Lakers. He is moving like a person who is on the Lakers. Could that change? It could. Trading him can be really, really difficult with the second apron rolls.

A buyout to me doesn't really seem like the type of thing that he would pursue, kind of the antithesis of how he's operated. So he's on the Lakers. How confident are they in the Luka extent? Again, the new aprons can be punitive. He has lost weight. I mean, the pictures of him now, so he's lost 40 pounds.

When would that happen? How certain are you what's going to happen? It's going to be early August. Here he's extension eligible August 2nd. I think they're really confident, Colin. I think they've been in contact with him early in the summer about their plans for the organization. I think when they made the deal to get him, I think they were confident that they were would be able to secure sort of him in the long term.

And, you know, look, there are things about Los Angeles to not like, you know, nobody likes the traffic here and stuff like this. But the one thing that we know about Lukadanschich is he love, well, two things we know of him. One, he loves a big stage and it's a huge stage. What's the bigger stage, right, than playing at crypto.com in front of those stars. And I think the second part of it is like, this is like a guy that doesn't like necessarily love being famous, right? and you might think Los Angeles, well, it's full of famous people. You can move pretty anonymously as a famous person in Los Angeles, should you choose,

because there's always someone else famous in your circles and stuff like that. So I think he's really comfortable there. I'm pretty sure the Lakers are going to be able to secure an extension. It's just kind of a matter of for how long. I said the D'Andre Aiton thing. He's not a willing defender. It's not a great defensive roster. But I did say, it's a,

Dodgers town now as much as a Laker town. There are stars everywhere. It could be Lincoln Riley. It can be McVeigh, Stafford, Harbaugh, Herbert. L.A. is different. People move off you if you're not interesting. DeAndre Aiton, Luca, LeBron, it sounds interesting. And I mean, when they made the move, my take was, you know, he always tends to think he's a better, he thinks he's a one, he's more of a three in terms of options. He may be a four with Austin Reeves on this roster. How does he fit to you? Because he's not a great defender,

but he is a pretty talented offensive player. I mean, I think on paper it's a pretty good fit. I mean, yeah, in a perfect world, you would rather have Anthony Davis, like that kind of a defender at the back line of this type of defense. But look, this was a pretty good Lanker team in terms of record last year after the Luca trade when they were just trying to, figure out how to figure out how to play together.

And, you know, in the playoffs, you know, they pretty quickly moved off a Jackson Aze. They didn't really have depth at that position. They kind of just went centerless. Theodore Aiton, at his worst, is a productive seven-footer who's a double-double machine. If he's motivated and his best, like he was, you know, in Phoenix, run and pick and roll with Chris Paul. He's way more athletic than I think people realize. He's young, 26 years old, and he's inexpensive. You know, Lakers are paying $8 million for this contract.

I think it's a really good fit and maintain some future flexibility. It's a really good opportunity for him, Colin, you know, to kind of carve out whatever this next chapter of his career is going to be because he's super gifted offensively. He's credible defensively, right? Like he's not a stopper, but, you know, I think if he accepts a role, you know, And if he plays with some motor, I think there's a real opportunity here from never big season. And I think people around the league feel that dude.

Now those are big questions for him. But certainly a talent player. I think the consensus I got at Summer League in Vegas was based on the options that were available to the Lakers, Dan-Dur-Haten, by far was their preference. And by far was the best that they felt like they could do. Okay, everybody's talking big swings. If I said the Lakers, Dan Wojke, joining us, the Lakers make a move at the trade deadline.

Give me a move that's not a huge swing but makes them better. Is there, because we always spend so much time talking about major moves. It's hard with the apron. It's hard to make big moves. But I do think there could be a player that would upgrade them defensively work with LeBron. Is there anything else out there we should keep our eye on? Yeah, I mean, they're looking for defenders, right? I think that is pretty clearly.

I mean, they're not done this summer on. that front. So I think to me that would be the place that I would look. I would also say, like, good luck on the search. Everybody's looking for perimeter defense, particularly perimeter defense that can shoot. So it's going to be a crowded marketplace. I think, obviously, like, internal growth is always the path of least resistance on that front. But that's where my eyes would be, it's hard to really pinpoint a player right now and say, like, this is the guy. I think, you know, a player they're monitoring here as the offseason kind of hits this next wave is like, you know, what happens with like Washington and Marcus Smart? Does he get bought out? Is he available?

That's the guy they like. And I think would give them a little toughness, some grit, you know, obviously has to be healthy, but gives them a little bit more of a defensive identity to that second unit. I think that's going to be where they're focusing now. we'll see though this is still a team that is like a little cash for when it comes to their draft assets and what they have to put into to trades most of their tradable players Colin when we talk about the trade deadline you know everybody loves a good Austin Reeves trade you and I had a what like some more like 90 minutes of conversations about those here you know he's going to be if you're trading for him at the trade deadline you're trading for him for two months because you know he'll be entering unrestricted free agency Rui Hachemura under restrictive free agent at the end of this season that that's that's a That depresses some value. They've got one draft pick that they can put in a play right now. If they hang on to it, come draft night next year, they can trade three and take an even bigger swing. So I'm not sure there's a huge move to be made for them on that front.

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Thanks for having me, Colin. You bet. You know, I was thinking, as we were talking to Dan there about another basketball. If you've not heard, Caitlin Clark will not compete in the All-Star festivities in Indiana where she plays. So they set this thing up to the WNBA for her to be the star of the weekend, and she can't play because she's been mugged and grabbed and pushed and prodded and knocked to the floor. The officiating in the league has not been up to snuff. But it's really interesting.

Well, let's go to J-Mac with the news and discuss it more. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yeah, it is the first story, Colin. Caitlin Clark, it's, she just announced she's not going to be playing in the All-Star game or participating in the three-point contest, which stinks because the game is in her own arena. She will, however, she put on her IG that she will be in the arena.

She'll be helping the coach. She's going to soak it all up. But, man, this is a big blow to the league losing it. It's marquee star this weekend in Indianapolis. Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this. It's a little like when somebody wins the lottery, and there's this rapid change in circumstances in their life, and a lot of lottery winners, like there's a high percentage, they go broke.

They just, the WNBA, she's the lottery ticket, and they just didn't know how to react. And it was just, it's, they've just, I feel like the WNBA has been playing catch-up, with Caitlin Clark. They've just been reacting to her popularity. And in fairness, you know,

Taylor Swift was a star before the ERA's tour. So even though it was the highest grossing tour of all time, you knew it was popular. You're like, this is a girl's a star. Now it's sold out seven straight nights so-fi. It's like, okay, that's really a billion dollars in one city. But I think a lot of times,

who is really ready for sudden, rapid, massive change. And I just don't think, I don't think golf was quite ready for the popularity of Tiger. I do think because Magic and Bird were in the NBA first, David Stern was ready for Michael Jordan.

Like they had, you know, Gatorade and Converse and all these shoes in Nike. And they were all kind of lined up. Magic and Bird gave the NBA sort of a glimpse of, wow, these college stars get, popular fast. Michael made the sport global, but I always felt the late David Stern and Nike and Gatorade and all these. The shoe companies were getting very involved, but I, this is like Jordan to the NBA with no magic or bird or Dr. Jay and you're like, oh, people love us.

So I just don't think they're quite ready for it. And I think one of the things they have to clean up is they're officiating. They have to clean it up. I know it's not going to come off right, But, I mean, I would check out the All-Star game if Caitlin Clark were in it. I would watch. She's different than anyone else in the league shooting 30-foot-3s, making these cross-court passes. She's just a wizard with the basketball. And I know this is going to sound bad. I don't really have any interest in watching the game if she's not in it.

And that's not a slight on the other players. But, like, I can find other stuff to do with my time than watch, you know, the WNBA. I mean, Caitlin Clark is why I'm tuning in. Well, yeah. I mean, the NBA lost 50% of its viewers. Think about that. 50% when Michael Jordan retired. So that's why stars make the big bucks.

I mean, what are the Kansas City Chiefs worth today and what were they worth seven years ago? They're worth now $9 billion. They were probably a billion when Mahomes got there, a billion and a half. That's a great point. So let's say Mahomes is injured and not going to play on Monday Night Football and whoever the backup is garden them into. I'm not going to check it out.

I might gamble, but it's the bet it and forget it. I'm going to bet, and then I'm going to go, like, hang with my family, maybe go bowling, whatever I'm going to do. In golf, Rory McElroy, I mean, I like the British Open, but he will singularly, if he is in the running Sunday, I'm watching every shot Sunday of the British show. If he's not, I'll watch it. But if I have lunch, I want to get a workout in, I'll watch it on, you know, I'll watch it on Fubo at the gym. Like, that's why the stars make the big money. Certain people get me to a TV. The Sopranos and Tiger Woods changed my Sunday viewing habits for years.

That's a good point. And reality is, you know, I ask my kids this, Colin, what's our most important resource that we have? And the answer is time. Yeah. And people just don't understand that. Like, you know, once you get kids and you're, you know, establish a family, I got a dog, I got to walk.

Like, I have responsibilities. I don't have time to watch. something that I don't really care about. I mean, that's just the reality of it. And without Caitlin Clark, without Tiger Woods, there's just some things that I'm not, I just don't care about as much. So, again, not a slight to the league, but that's a big loss of Caitlin Clark. Let's go to the NBA column, where, uh, interestingly, Joel Embed recently did a sit-down

profile, uh, on his career. And he hasn't given a lot of these, but he really opened up. And he actually talked about James Hardin. And I didn't know this, but, uh, according to Joel Embedd, James Hardin is not talking to me. That's the part I don't like about being the guy. Because if you ask James, he probably believes that I had something to do with him not being there. So remember James Harden was in Philly for like five minutes and then he wasn't.

And it's Joe L. Embed almost seems, and listen, I know he's had an injury history and we don't really love him on this show as a player. But he almost feels wounded by the fact that James Hardin doesn't talk to him. It was kind of eye-opening stuff. I suggest checking out the article. Because remember, these two, when they had the pick and roll in Philly, it's like, oh, this is a contender. And now Hardin won't even talk to him. Yeah, I mean, they ran Ben Simmons, Jimmy Butler, James Hardin. I mean, it's not like MB didn't have an aggressive front office.

They gave him multiple coaches. That whole MBEed story is on MBE. Remember at the Olympics when they weren't, they couldn't, he didn't fit? I always said this about him. He's too often on the perimeter. Like, Janus knows he can't shoot, so he didn't spend any time, wasting time in the perimeter, didn't get in anybody's way. I think Embed had some shack qualities early, but injuries and his style of play to me,

I have always thought he's a great player. He'll be a Hall of Famer. But I've always thought he's overvalued. I don't think he's half, I don't think he's close to Yokic. Yokish is a better shooter, a better passer, he's healthier, he elevates every single. Everybody works with Yokic. Almost nobody works with Mb. Well, I'll say this.

Mbid, I think two years ago was the MVP, and the problem was he pushed so hard for it, Colin, that his body broke down. Remember he was averaging like 30-some-odd points a game. He has not been the same since he got the MVP. And I would go and predict that he and Derek Rose are going to be the only NBA MVP's to never make the NBA Finals. because I don't see him be getting to a finals. Now, the Sixers, they're one of my sneaky teams this year. They got a lot of dudes.

Your boy, Maxi, we'll see about Paul George. I like McCain. I like their pick, Edgecombe. They got some guys. I don't know if their finals worthy, but the East is down. Just keep an eye on Philly. Final story is to college football. Now, this is, I don't want you to get too worked up about this column,

but the Athletic has put out their list of top 10 quarterbacks for the college football season. and Arch Manning checked in at 10th. I'm stunned. Someone named Josh Hoover is ninth. I'm not familiar with his work. I've seen John Mateer at Oklahoma. I can't believe he's listed better than Archvaney. Keep this on the screen.

So Archmanning's only played a couple of games, so I don't have a problem in this. Zero start. First of all, I like Nussmeyer and I like Cade Klubnick. Drew Aller, I think is more talented, so I think he's low. I think Sam Levitt at Arizona State, keep your eye on Sam Levitt. He is a gamer. As a college guy, as a pro, you think he's got major pro-ups?

I think he's pretty interesting. I don't have a problem with the first two picks. I think Drew Aller should be somewhere in the top three. This kid's Sellers is good. He's the guy that intrigues me for next year's draft. He's kind of a multi-talented quarterback, not quite Jalen Hertz, but he's very nimble. I got to ask, this Nussmeyer stuff, Colin, you watched him last year.

Yeah. I haven't seen it. I think he's good. People like him. I don't know. I think he's pretty good. I think he and Klubnick are pretty good prospects, B prospects. I think Drew Aller, if he makes another leap, he becomes an A prospect.

Well, Aller is your 6'5 strapping quarterback. That's not Clubnick. That's not Nussmeyer. Not right. My guess by the end of the season, the top two prospects will be Arch Manning and Drew Aller. Yeah, I think that's a big. And then I think Nussmeier will be third, Clubnik will be fourth, the Norris kid, who's more athlete than pocket guy at this point, just wait and watch him play.

People like him a lot. Didn't see a time. I've seen him play, but I think that's your top five or six. I think Sam Levitt's a little bit of a dark horse. But I lie. When I watch, now, again, Arizona State shocked the world. He was really good. The first time he got on the field. So he's been really good very quickly. By the way, Arch Manning, and we'll talk about this a lot.

His first start in college football is at Ohio State. I know. August 30th. Did we do guess the line on this yet or no? Where's the game at Ohio State? Yeah. I would say Ohio State's favored by one and a half. One and a half? No.

It opened at four and a half and it's down to three. Ohio State favored by a field goal. I take Texas. What? All right, well, we'll go head to head. That game is on Fox. You like Archmanning to go into Ohio State and win? Yeah.

Well, I saw Jim Harbaugh and J.J. McCarthy do it. Why can't Archmanning? That was at the end of the season. This is Arch's first start. An entire summer to prepare for Archmanning? I'm going to take... I'm going to take the points. It's a great game.

A great game. Albert Breers watching this right now is so upset with you. I'll be on the Buckeyes in that one. I mean, listen, it's going to be like the Oregon Ohio State game last year. It's going to be great. It's going to be unbelievable. I think there's going to be a lot of points

and a lot of big plays. You've got a lot of cloud at this network. Why don't you throw your weight around and get us to that game? Come on, buddy. Listen, that's a great way to start the college football season. It's a great game. It is. Yeah.

No, that's about as good a game as college football is going to have in September, October. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. A lot of news happening at Fox today, including what Urban Myers said about Nick Saban next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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Good show today. Urban Meyer, Dan Wojke. Good stuff today. We started, Albert Byrne, I started talking about yesterday. We brought Urban Meyer on today, and Urban and Belichick have always been very close with Nick Sabin. And I had said this week, the Genesis of all this discussion happened a couple days ago when I saw a story that Greg McElroy, very popular, former Bama quarterback, who's well connected to Bama, said he's hearing that Sabin wouldn't mind coaching again. And my take is he's not going to coach in college because you can't buy out coaches like you used to do with the NIL. These coaches now make the good ones

8 to 10 to $12 million a year. So three or four years left is 30, 40 million. NIL is costing you $18 million a year. Saban would cost you $60, $60. Outside of Texas, nobody has that kind of money. Maybe the billionaire at Texas Tech, but Saban's not going to Texas Tech, please. It's not going to the Big 12.

So I speculated. I think he's a very aspirational-driven guy. I think like Pete Carroll, he plays much younger than his age. And I think he's going to take phone calls from the NFL. and Albert Breer. First, let's start with Urban Meyer, whose friends with Sabin, on the idea of the NFL. I have not talked to him about this. I could guess, because I know him fairly well and competed against him, that it's not a little scratch. It's probably a pretty big scratch. That's the one area that he is not, you know, you know, like you said, he's getting things going on Miami. I actually visited him when he was down there.

But I don't think he'd go back to college. I don't see that. fit. I would say very little to no chance he would get involved in college, but I think he would take phone calls from the NFL. Yeah, and remember we get about seven openings a year, and coordinators hit at about a 30 to 40 percent clip. So, I mean, even, again, so college coaches are not going to take those NFL jobs. Brian Kelly sniffed around years ago, NFL wasn't interested. Tell me Lincoln Riley, NFL, nobody's interested. So tell me, tell me the college coaches that would take NFL jobs. Ryan Day, maybe, but I think he likes Ohio State.

Tell me the college guys that would take an opening. There's none. Davos Sweeney's totally a college guy. Marcus Freeman may be at Notre Dame, but I think he loves Notre Dame. I think he loves young families. He wants to stay in college. So there's nobody coming out of college that I can think of, top of my head. I could have said a couple years ago.

Now, we all knew Harbaugh was interested. That was pretty obvious. but so and then and and then tell me all the hot coordinators ben johnson he took a job cliff kingsbury most of my people don't see him as an NFL head coach he doesn't hold players accountable good coach though so kingsbury the ship has sailed so show me all the hot coordinators who are taking it give me seven openings somebody's calling nick sabin i think cleveland you have to pay attention to jimmy haslam big tennessee booster loves the scc loves stars Baker, Mansell, acquired Deshawn Watson, loves star power.

I think he likes Kevin Stefansky, but he'd move him out of the way for Sabin. And he'd have Saban control personnel. Andrew Barry would probably, you know, say no thanks. So that one, and I think Dallas, I think Albert Brewer came on. We talked about the Cowboys and Nick Sabin. I think it's, I think that Shottenheimer thing is going to go sideways by October. Here's Albert. The one thing about Dallas that people misunderstand is,

yes, Jerry's involved in football, but the coach is involved in scouting too. The coach is involved in putting the team together, and that's always been the way that it's been run there, and that they've got a really good personnel department. William and Clay does a great job, but they've always involved the coach and how the team is put together.

If Jerry was going to do this, part of it would be, are you willing to take a backseat and move away from the spotlight for a little bit to see if Nick Saving can come and do it? Yeah, I mean, Jerry Jones is 82. So I think it plays, listen, if Greg McElroy has heard this, and he is totally connected to Bama, that means somebody in the Alabama administration,

that's my guess where the source comes from, has talked to Nick, and Nick's either bored, you know, doesn't, I mean, I think he does a great job on TV, but there's a lot of voices on the show he's on. And I think TV bored Bill Parcells, who tried it a couple of times. I think it bored Bill Walsh. I don't think it's for everybody. And I do think it goes back to what Urban said. You have to go back and look up.

First of all, he coached on that Belichick staff in Cleveland. And Belichick's one of his closest friends. So I guarantee you he would call Bill in a heartbeat asking questions. but Sabin really pivoted at Alabama. He went, Nick did something that was really impressive, and I've touched on this before. Lane Kiffin has talked about this, and it was in a New York Times article years ago, that when Sabin was all defense, and when he got to Bama, he was a relentless recruiter, but those early Bama teams were all about linebackers and pass rushers and DTs and corners and safeties.

And then as the game and the sport changed, and Lane Kiffin and him, that down, he really realized that the world was changing. And Bama, when he left, was about wide receivers, left tackles and quarterbacks. That's, that's Belichick has struggled to pivot. Saban has had no trouble pivoting. And I think Saban, deep down, thinks he's a better coach than Belichick. But when you talk about all time great coaches, you don't bring up Bear Bryant or Woody Hayes. You don't. You don't bring up Nick Saban. It's Andy Reed, Bill Walsh. And I don't think Saban would have to go to the NFL and win Super Bowls. I think if he went and he went somewhere for five years and made the playoffs four years and took the mess

known as the Cowboys or Cleveland and made Cleveland a big time team. If Cleveland has the number one pick and I get Sabin and Archmanning and they start winning that division and getting to the playoffs, I mean, Sabin's going to say, I knew I could coach. I don't think he ever would have gone to Bama if the team doctor for the dolphins would have acquiesced and given him Drew Brees. I don't think he ever would have gone to Bama. But the team doctor didn't. So Alabama should thank the team doctor. But I think it has legs. Um, yeah. By the way, this is interesting. Natasha Cloud, New York Liberty Player Guard on the strained relationship between the WNBA players and refs. We talked about this earlier with Caitlin Clark's injuries.

Says Natasha Cloud, I work my blanking blank off all off season for these four and a half months to try to win a championship. And I feel like the refs are having too much blanking impact on the game. Angel Reese on the officiating. It has to be fixed. I don't give a damn if I get fined because blankety blank is cheap and I'm tired of this blank. Kelsey Plum, who plays for the LA Spark said in June, I drive more than anybody in the league. So to shoot six free throws is effing absurd. So the players,

you don't hear NBA players bang on the refs like this. The WMBA officiating is bad. Sophie Cunningham got knocked on her backside. A couple of nights ago, no call. It was brutal. It was brutal. So Caitlin Clark is not going to play this weekend. So you got Natasha Cloud, Angel Reese, and Kelsey Plum.

The officiating is horrible. So again, I liken it to a lottery ticket winner. When you have a rapid change of circumstances, you don't know how to react to it. That's why half the lottery winners go broke or something like that. And I think this league is just playing catch-up to Caitlin Clark. They're reacting. and the last part of the change, because the players are starting to embrace her, the last part of the change is the officiating.

College officials, women's college officials make more than WNBA officials. That ain't right. So it's time for pensions. It's time for big time officiating revenue. The sports getting too big. I mean, it'd be like having, again, it'd be like having a rock star selling out and having a second-tier promoter. Like, once you get, once you have a world-class band, You have to have a world-class marketing, promoting, and ticket sales team.

So there you go. Or, Colin, we could just call it a Kansas City Chiefs playoff game, the way the referees seem to always favor the Chiefs, especially in Arrowhead. Buffalo Bill's fans are texting me about it right now. Refereings, it's tough. It's tough to find the good refs. Obviously, when the Chiefs are getting blasted in the Super Bowl, nobody's talking about referees. Well, I will say, I do believe the NFL. should make officials more full-time.

Maybe not all of them, but 75%. That's always been a bone of con- I mean, we're moving to 18 games. So between 18 games and playoffs and three pre-season, it's a full-time job. Are you sure we're going to 18? Yeah, next year. Jeez.

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