The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 3 - Patience, QBs

Episode Date: November 17, 2021

More reasons why we shouldn't be so quick to fire coachesColin tries to name the QB by listening to them pre-snapGuest: Kenny Young Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The last 10, 15 minutes of the show today, we're doing something called Who You Heard. I have no idea what it's going to look like. I'm going to try to guess quarterbacks based on their cadences at the line of scrimmage, so I've not heard the audio. I'm going by the seat of my pants in 40 minutes. No idea what this segment. That's interesting.

Well, apparently the staff worked on it. This is going to be an utter disaster or brilliant because I had nothing to do with it. Well, Kenny Young of the Broncos is going to be joining us in studio, linebacker. I loved having clad on today because one of the things we got into is everybody now, and I think it's worse than it's ever been, I think. maybe it used to be this bad and I'm just, you know, it's recency bias, but we just want to fire everybody. And it's like people have bad sentences, people do dumb things, people have bad seasons that are good coaches. It's okay.

Well, I do think that it's considerably worse with everything now because we live in a microwave society. I mean, we have no patient. I certainly don't. So I'm not saying like everyone else and I'm better. I have no patience for anything. I mean, if I pull up a video to show you and the wheel goes around one time, I'm like, forget It was funny. Just believe me.

Like, I can't. Right. I don't have the patience for it. So fundamentally as a society, we do not want to let things develop. Bake. But that's, and that, regardless of the fact that society is different now, that doesn't change the fundamental fact that things still take time. People forget this. Michael Jordan never won a playoff series.

He was one for nine until Scotty Pippen arrived. We would be crushing Michael Jordan. Now, LeBron James, first seven years in Cleveland. didn't he get to one finals and got rolled swept by the spurs? But interestingly enough, though, you look at the examples of things that have turned around quickly, like the Buccaneers. So you might be an organization that says, well, I mean, Tampa Bay was just functional and couldn't get over the hump forever. And they got Tom Brady and now they have a championship. Like, yeah, but it's Tom Brady that went there.

And he spent 20 years in an organization that was a winning organization and brought that formula and his talent. to what was already a steady, at the very best, a steady situation, like with talent and such. Like, you can't go from a dysfunctional organization to that, or Tom Brady would have never went there. So, yes, and you're right, that's an exception to the situation. Yeah, it's just everything that's great in America, LeBron's career took a lot of time, Michael Jordan's career took a lot of time, and then you get these exceptions where Magic inherited Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and was good instantly. but even he took a dip where they called him tragic Johnson because he struggled against the Celtics. It's like this stuff takes, I just think, and the internet, we all want everybody fired.

This sark at Texas stuff, it's like Nick Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe his first year, got rolled by Utah on his second. Like the Utah players were mocking Alabama players at the coin toss. They were like, we're going to roll you and they crushed them. And then year three, they were great. That's the best college football coach of all time. Well, also, like everything in life, there's nuance to the situation. And nobody wants to pay attention to those details or look at the history of things. Even LeBron going back to Cleveland.

He still went to Miami and learned how to win championships. Like, it's not a knock on LeBron that he had to go to a better organization and play with better players and win a championship and bring that back to Cleveland. So, and I think, I think this is an unsolvable problem. America, and I'm not blaming anybody for it. I'm, we're both guilty. We'll never be patient again. Because all apps and all tech is built to provide

faster solutions. So this country will never be patient again. I don't think the world. It's just a different world we live in now. And it doesn't matter if you're a liberal or conservative, it's going to punish both of you. So if you're a conservative and I, you're old school, all you have to do is make one

mistake and you're going to be in trouble. And if you're a liberal and you're like, the little guy deserves more support. Well, he's not going to get it because if he has a bad stumble during his three-year bill, he or she gets fired. It's punitive to both sides of the political spectrum. We will never be a patient country again, ever. And by the way, we all love tech.

But what it's made us, it hasn't made us angrier. It's made us incredibly impatient. And I wish, I'm going on my soapbox here. I would never be here without patient bosses. I would never be. You would not be entertained by America's honesty broker. I grew up in a generation where you were allowed to make mistakes, allowed to be an idiot, allowed to. I was in Vegas for seven years, and I was stupid.

And then I got kind of good. And then I went to Tampa and made mistakes and got a little better. And I went to Portland. I was starting to get kind of good. And I went to ESPN. Even there wasn't perfect. You can't do that anymore. Like you just don't, we don't let young people make mistakes.

I mean, I almost feel like you're 20. 20s, like whenever our president runs, I remember when Romney ran for president. And we're getting Clinton smoked a joint in college and Obama smoked a joint. God, I hope so. It's college. If somebody said tomorrow, your son's going to smoke a joint in college, I'm like, well, yeah, that's a box he should check. Have a little fun. You don't just sit and study all day.

Seriously, though, the point, though, is that if a, when Mitt Romney, when they went back, he went to a school, a private school in Michigan called Cranbrook. It's a legendary private school in Michigan. And they're like, he once gave a kid a Nugie. He's 60. Yeah, when he was 17, he was a dope. And he was a bully. His dad was governor of Michigan.

He was probably a little bit of a, you know, liked himself. We just don't let anybody make mistakes. We judge, I mean, we're crushing our politicians when they're 17. So Mitt Romney's been a very successful guy. He's run for president. Senator, I mean, really successful, right? Even he was a jerk in high school. Once.

Like, we don't let people make mistakes. And by the way, I'm near the finish line. So I've made my money. I'm good. I'm fine with it. I mean, you cancel me tomorrow. I'll go home and ski. But for young people, you got to let young people screw up in their 20s.

They're going to stay dumb things and do dumb things. And tech has ruined that. They make a mistake at 24. They're done. There's a value to the process. The value of the process. You have to learn and have experience. That's why I tell people all the time in the business.

I'm like, do you see a lot of very young news anchors, like at the anchor desk at your local station? Do you know why you don't? Not because young people aren't talented. It's because if there's a crisis in the city, that news anchor has to know how to forget the prompter. We have to report what's happening so that we can save lives and make sure that people are safe. And I know what area of the city that is because I've lived here for 15 years. Like there's a value to having experience and going through the process. And when it comes to coaching, it's the same thing.

It's what we were talking about with Sark. If you have a new coach, why do you have a new coach? Unless that is a legendary coach that is just retired. Generally, you didn't like what was going on with the coach you had before. A little bit of a hot mass. Meaning there were some things wrong that needed to be fixed. Meaning you got to give them time to fix those things before they start building the next thing. Yeah.

And I would say this. And there's a lot of things that I just have sports opinion. but the one thing I think I'm even I think you would even agree. I've built this business like four different places. I built it locally. I built it at ESPN. I built it at Fox. I have a new podcast network.

The volume. I'm a builder. I like building. I like challenges. Every one of them, they're stumbles. Like if you just don't bake that in, I asked Mark Cuban,

I think I emailed him and Peter Chernin and two real smart guys, real rich guys. I said, hey, give me some advice on building this new podcast network. They said the exact same thing separately. Be willing to. pivot. You think your ideas are great. Six weeks in, half of it will be nonsense, and the other half double down on, but be willing to be flexible because you're going to make mistakes and stuff.

Amazon started as an online bookstore. Netflix started selling DVDs. They were like, that's what the company started. Now one is a streaming giant and one is the biggest retailer in the world. You've got to be able to move. You make a bunch of mistakes. You start over. You pivot. I just, I worry that in America today, the rich will only get richer. Because I'm at the top. I got it, right? So I'm not worried about it. But if you don't let 20-year-olds catch up to me because you just canceling them every 15 men,

cancel is the wrong word, but you're like, you're punishing them too much for a dumb tweet or a dumb comment or a bad moment. And the guys like me just, and by the way, I say this with confidence, I think I'd win anyway. But you got to let people in their young people make mistakes. Josh Allen had a really dumb tweet when he was a teenager. Yeah, because he was a teenager.

And when your brain is not fully developed until you're 24 years old. I mean, think about that. Like sometimes my kids will say something and, you know, they're pretty bright kids and I'll be like, and I'm just so condescending, I'll say, well, your kids' brains aren't fully functioned. Just trust dad on this one. And they're like, dad, that's so obnoxious. And I'm like, yeah, but it is kind of true. You're 15.

I'm okay with holding people to a higher standard overall. And I've made plenty of terrible mistakes, like awful mistakes that people would definitely judge me for today. Yeah. But again, to bring it back to like what, how it reflects to sports, if we're just not patient, then you're just going to keep going through. Coaches, players. If you look at what, I like to look at what successful people do, really extremely

successful people do. Yeah. All the time. And there's often a stream, a streamlined thing that they all do the same. And it's consistency and it's self-awareness. And it's to your point pivoting. You don't, you don't start where, like, where you finish is not where you started. And if you're a successful person, it takes a lot to stay at the top. And when it comes

to organizations, if you're just constantly bailing on coaches and you're constantly turning things over, then you're setting yourself back. It's not to say that some people aren't messing up and like you do need a change, but what is the purpose of the change? Okay, y'all wanted Brian Kelly out and you all wanted Harbaugh out. How's it working this year? Like it takes time, even at football powerhouses, it took time. Pete Carroll's first year and a half at USC, not much to brag about. And so, I guess, just the Sark thing I just roll my eyes at. And I'm like, God, you had Harbaugh, he's going to win 10 games again this year, fourth time. And Brian Kelly now is Notre Dame as an academic, rural isolated powerhouse, religious umbrella over the school.

There's no way they should be a top five program. And they are. You know what it is, I think, too? It's a self-awareness thing. Like, people don't want to do the work. Right? Like, we're all guilty of that. Like, I think I'm going to take this little shortcut here.

And it's not going to be as good. and it's not going to last as long, but it's a shortcut and it'll make you feel better for a little while. Fire this guy, get a new person in that, dala, dala, instead of putting in the time. Yes, it takes time. And just take your lumps. Like, it's okay that you're going to not be good for a little while.

Can't brag to your golf buddies that your alma mater is the best for a couple years, but in the end you'll be the winner if you put in the time. We just, I don't even know where this was going, but it's, well, what started this? Sark. Yeah, everybody wants to fire coaches. God, this weekend, Twitter, fire Dan Mullen.

Fire Sark. And I'm like, Dan Mullins won two out of three games in the SEC. He didn't get a bad year. You don't get one lousy year? I mean, it's not that. They almost should have beaten Alabama. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, a couple years ago, Kenny Young was our intern at FS1. Yes, that Kenny Young, UCLA football. Los Angeles Rams and now the Denver Broncos, teams that Kenny have played with this year. The Rams and the Broncos have won eight of their 10 games.

He is now joining us live. You're the most athletic intern in the history of my show by far. And Kenny and I also got stranded at an airport in Wyoming this year. I literally was stranded at an airport. I looked over and I said, that guy's familiar. He's a pro athlete. It was Kenny. He has not used his voucher yet.

I have. All right. So let's start with this. You went from an offensive coach, Shaw McVeigh, offensive culture, to a defensive coach, Vic Fangio. Do you notice a difference in meetings, the cultures that Denver right now, that's a defensive coach, does it feel a little different as a franchise? It's completely different.

I think McAvey's a more urgency, timing patterns. Everyone needs to work together and get things rolling early. You know, Vic, he's very old school, but his motto is, hey, look, this is, you know, big boy ball and be going to smack somebody. in the mouth and you know that's the way it is yeah and we meet for a thousand hours uh you know like old school but i think i've had that that blend of having old coaches you know older coaches that's been around the game for so long and also new coaches like ashore mcvay who's all about a different type of system right those two methods give off two different effects for sure but

i think they're both effective had the fact that you know you have a good coach so it's interesting there was a moment this week and joy and i defended teddy bridgewater I'm like, I don't want my quarterback making a tackle. Get out of the way. So Bridgewater throws a pick, and instead of making a tackle, Teddy's like, I'm going to go over here and get some water, gated right on the sideline. And he just kind of moved out of the way. It didn't bother me at all because I don't want my quarterback making tackles. What did you make of it?

You know, man, I think of it. This particular play, Teddy Bridgewater, in his position, I don't think you want your quarterback making that tackle. Reason why, let's say that's a Tom Brady or a Super Bowl quarterback that has to go play a game next week, right? You want him to make a tackle and puncture his hand or his rib by making a tackle, which could happen. Those guys never make tackles. I actually don't want to know the stats of the top five quarterbacks in the past 10 years that have made the most tackles. It's probably very interesting. This play, you know, you have 10 other guys.

You pay receivers and tight-ins and running back to go catch that guy. Not your guy that got to throw the ball every play. This is really smart, though. So Kenny says, well, he doesn't practice. is tackling. It's an art. Like you just don't wake up and tackle because you're 6, 4, 2, 20. Right. Like, defense of players, we're taught to fall at a certain type of angle, right? You're in neck physically to fall a certain way. Quarterbacks, they get, they can tackle. Don't tell them how they might fall. It might fall to the sidelines. You don't want that, man.

Yeah. So when you go to Vic Fangio's defense, and I've said this before, I think Denver's got a lot of talent, is it a difficult concept to bring up? Because you have, you, you, you, you, you, You also had Wade Phillips, and then you have Staley, who's now with the Chargers. In the last several years, you've had three different kind of defensive views. What is Vicks, like for you as a linebacker, what does it ask of you? It asks you to be smart and be all of your stuff. You know, you have to go drive a ship of a lot of responsibilities. You control the front end, you control your job, your positioning, the back end,

and it all has to be sound communication. I think Vic is big on knowing what to expect, you know, to anticipate. I realize and I respect that because Staley, you know, he goes into our meetings last year and that's all he talked about was anticipating. Know your problems before they hit you, right? And I think with that type of, you know,

coach that can put their players in that type of mindset, especially as a linebacker, you know, you have to be on it. You have to be the defense, you know, the quarterback of the defense. Isn't that funny? You've had Vic Fangio and Wade Phillips, two of the older coaches in the last several years. And you've had McVeigh and Staley, two of the younger coaches.

That is really unique. the old guys and the young guys. You know, McVeigh is funny because, like, the Rams right now, they've had a couple of bad weekends, and both the losses have been the same. They got pushed around. And I've said this. The Rams can get a little cute.

They can get a little pretty. And it's like, they are fun to watch. But when I watch Tennessee and the Niners kind of push them around, is it a fair criticism to say sometimes the Rams are a little star-driven or a little timing-based, a little pretty? and maybe they're not that physical. Well, I think, you know, in my opinion, I think you have to take over the Vic Vangio mindset

whenever you go play those teams. You really think that very well is coming to L.A., get on that long five-hour flight to just lose a game, you better have packed your hard hat and your dogs to go beat up each other for four quarters. And that's what type of game they knew is going to be. San Francisco is the same way. You know, they have to beat San Francisco in over two years.

That's right. And it's no gimmick on what they're going to do. They're not going to pass the ball a lot. They're going to run a ball. They're going to test your edges and see how well you could tackle it. It's secondary. These are moments and weeks where you have to switch over that concept. You know, it's nothing wrong with winning and being fancy, whatever it is.

But those Green Bay, you know, they have to go get ready for Green Bay. And it's not going to be, you know, it's not going to be pretty. You know, you have to go pick your hard head and go make those guys make plays and really come out to a game on the line decision in the fourth quarter. So Vaughn Miller is over the last decade, very few defensive players, we would even suggest could be an MVP. Vaughn was one of those guys. And when Vaughn left Denver, he loved Denver, and Denver loved Vaughn.

And so all of a sudden, Vaughn's out, Kenny's in, and can you feel Vaughn's presence? Did you feel pressure like, even though it's a different position, did you feel a little bit of pressure like, I'm on this defensive side where Vaughn Miller was just at? Is that any pressure for you? Well, no, because you got to think. I put the standard on myself to go compete at a high level like Aaron Donald and Jill and Ramsey. And with that type of standard, I know that going over there, he embraced, you know, that was there. I didn't know he was getting traded, but I knew that I had to continue to have that high standard upon myself

because that's what it requires to win in this league. And it's what requires for, you know, good players to expect other players to be at their best. And that's what I've learned to elevate myself whenever there's high caliber of players on the team. when you get Joy and I have talked about this before if I could be traded as a talk show host it would hurt my feelings

I'd be like you're trading me to ESPN 2 for a sideline reporter when a player gets traded does it bother you I mean that night are you like I thought they loved me I thought they were into me

like what is it like to be traded in the middle of a season you know I've gotten traded twice in my four year career I went drafted to the Ravens and got traded my second year there. And, you know, things went well with the rounds and just got traded a few weeks ago. So for me, I think I had two separate experiences with my trades. My first one was, holy snap, this is the business to football.

Wake up, young cat. And the other trade was just like, I just didn't understand it. You know, it came down to financial issues. And so for me, it's like, you know, well, what's the common denominator for me? I think it's just that I just keep, you know, being a good teammate and keep balling. because it will throw you off. I think, you know, me being, I think it's part of your upbringing as well. You know, I come from Louisiana where it's different, right?

But this is a new world, new phase. And, you know, people make decisions that are not always great. And I think I've learned in my maturity to just do your job, you know, and you're here just to make plays and to, you know, be likable and to be a leader and to go out there and set you mark on what you do and embrace this, right? Embrace these trades. But they're not fun at all. I'll tell you that because when you have a family, you know, you have things,

going well, right? I woke up one day and I woke up the next and I was in Denver Bronco. Did not expect it at all. So you just have to do your part. You know, it's part of being a competitor, part of being an athlete. You just have to, you know, deal with change so suddenly on a constant basis. How is the Denver locker room? What's it like?

It's cool. It's different for sure. The whole deal with Vaughnigan traded, it threw everybody off because no one didn't expect that. But, you know, those guys have some great talent in that room, so great leaders. the coaches are pretty good, but I think it's a combination of just, you know, continue to raise the standard

and try to be consistent as much as possible. So a couple weeks ago, I said it was the most surprising game I'd seen in the NFL this season. Not that you beat Dallas, but I mean you literally pin them in the first minute of the match. You physically push them all over the field.

And Dallas has mostly outplayed everybody they've played. And then they meet a brick wall called the Denver Broncos. and it was a crazy game. I mean, it was never for a minute competitive. And I think to myself, is that what Denver could be at their best? I think so. I think that's what it takes because clearly, you know, it's put on tape that we could get it done. I think it's the constant effort to find the common denominator of, you know,

what that looks like every day in practice, everyday meetings. And, you know, I think football is about, you know, attitude and want to, right? It's about how bad you want to do it. And it's your approach when you have a win streak, but also when getting your butt kicked out of you from week to week, how do you respond? And I think with those things, you know, we have a shot and, you know, we're going to do everything they can. We're going to do everything that we can. I'm going to do everything that I can to try to make this run because playoffs is a fun thing.

I missed it. And, you know, it's a place to be where good players are meant to rush to the next occasion. By the way, you went from arguably the toughest division in football to the second toughest division. So now you have Justin Herbert twice a year. You got Derek Carr twice a year. you have Patrick Mahomes you'll face twice a year. You've faced a lot of good quarter. By the way, let me ask you this.

The toughest quarterback you've ever faced for any reason. It doesn't matter if they ran, they passed. In your years of being a linebacker, what quarterback do you lose sleep on if you know you have to play him? The one guy you struggled with. If it's conference, I'm going to say Mary, and if I'm a non-conference, I'll have to say Aaron Rogers. What does Aaron do?

Aaron, man, you have to be. Every step you take have to be an accurate step. If you're a split second late to your read, it's at a cost you. You have to tackle great. It literally has to be a collective group of everybody wanted as bad as they want because he do not. He capitalized on your mistakes. I mean, you know, I've seen for the first time in my career last year when we

went play in Green Bay when I was with the Rams was how he took advantage of personnel subbing. It's mind-blown. I don't know a quarterback that takes advantage of guys running off as a defense and him snapping the ball the next play. He does that. Getting a free play nine times out of ten is either a touchdown, you know, depending on the situation in the red zone or not. But I've never seen that. That's genius. That's something that you can't coach, something you can't pay. I think you should get paid in Bitcoin, but he's a different cat. And, you know, Mary, I think he's just

a great athlete at quarterback that can throw the ball well. And I think he's caught up to that system that they have over there that's really working for him. And, you know, he has a great job of using his, you know, his feet to get around there as one play that he beat. And he on a third and 18. I was so pissed that he, damn, outran me, but it was because his feet. His stride is so unique. His way to get his ball to his place. Yeah, and for me, I didn't study enough

that, hey, look, you have a longer stride. You have to approach him differently, flying at him a thousand miles per hour. You can't do it, you know? And then hits him with a stutter, and he keeps going and drops his shoulder. It's very, very rare, and it's very hard to cover. That's great stuff. Yeah, Aaron does

that. If he sees his sub coming in, he just works it. He's like a coach out there. Aaron will just work the subs. If there's an injured player that goes off, new guy comes in, he'll go right at him every time. Congratulations on your great internship here and going to the Broncos, our most athletic intern ever, Kenny Young. Good seeing you again. Thank you, buddy. The herd brought to you by Jersey Mike Subs, be a sub above.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Matthew Stafford overall has been doing a good job here in L.A. but he did have a rough outing this past weekend, 31-10 loss of the Niners. And Aaron Rogers is not into the negativity being thrown Matthew Stafford's way. He said, I'm a huge Stafford fan and have been for a long time.

We played against him for so many years. He's one of the most gifted throwers in football. Definitely my generation. I put him up there with some of the most gifted guys to ever throw the football. He's a tough dude and has played through some crazy injuries. I'm not here for any Matthew Stafford, Trash, or Slander. Yeah, well, he's always been viewed as a talent. but it is time now in the LA.

You've got to win these big games. That's just the reality of RAM football. Yeah, I mean, statistically, look, there's 7 and 3. He's got 24 passing touchdowns, 8 interceptions, 67.7 completion percentage. He has the fourth best passer rating this season in the NFL amongst quarterbacks.

And they're second in the division. So overall, this has been a success, especially when you look at, in contrast, what Jared Gough has been doing in Detroit. Now, obviously not the same level of organization as we discussed earlier. But, again, I think the pressure is on Matthews, Stafford and that's fair. You're coming to a

functional organization with a good head coach who is just in a Super Bowl. They're very aggressive. They have no problem spending money. They have no problem bringing in stars. They're very strategic. And there are standards here in Los Angeles. That's just what it is. That's what goes on in L.A. You got to win. It's a very

big market. There's a lot going on. And we heard all about, to Aaron's point, the talents and could see the talent in Detroit. And now you are with an organization where you have to win the games. Like you've got win and you have to win big. Now they're on a buy this week and I'm not panicking about the Rams.

Like I do think that they have some things they need to fix. They can't take another injury. They've lost. They can't take another injury. Cam Acres, Robert Woods. They can't lose like Andrew Whitworth. They can't. The offense won't be the same. They don't feel like a team that could overcome another injury. And it started from the beginning of the season. So again, they're under a different level of scrutiny here in LA as they should be. Like this is what this organization and the

city demands. So, to Despite having a 363 lead, we were just talking about this with Teddy Bridgewater, DAC lowered his shoulder and collided with defenders on his way to scoring a rushing touchdown. And Stephen Jones, so at that point in the game, he'd much rather see him prioritize being healthy over expanding the lead. And that's DAC. At the end of the day, we have to protect Dak from Dak, because he's the ultimate competitor. And, you know, that's just the way he's going to play the game. He's going to play to win. He's going to play to score. Obviously, you could feel it in him all week long that he had something to prove.

We're so fortunate to have him, but I will say I hope we don't see that much the rest of years. By the way, that was a big hit. Like, when you're watching it from the end zone, if you watched from the other direction, he got popped. Yeah. I mean, we were literally just talking about this with Teddy Bridgewater. There's just certain situations where, you know, maybe you just be a little more strategic.

but again, that's like you can't really coach the personality out of a player. That is what DAC is. That is that level of competitor and he's going to try and make the play. He's also not small. I mean, no, no, he's not a fragile guy. Like the injuries that he's dealing with, I mean, like everyone gets injured and he obviously came off of a catastrophic injury last year. But they're worried about it.

Like, they need DAC. They are a Super Bowl contending team this year and they're for real. And DAC is the leader and the quarterback. Like he needs to be available. They're first in the NFC. East and obviously they smoked the Falcons this week, which was kind of predictable coming off the week before. And they play the Chiefs on Sunday and are currently three point underdogs, according to Fox

Betts. I can't wait for that game. So we talked a little bit about this earlier. The Jets are making another change at quarterback. Joe Flacco. So bad. We'll reportedly get the start Sunday against the Dolphins. The Jets traded for Flacco last month.

That is, according to Rich Simony. of the ESPN. Flacco, last season with the Jets, played five games, O and Four record. Zach Wilson has missed the last three games with the sprained knee. It is,

it's wild in New York right now. Like, I knew this was going to be a bit of a struggle. Obviously, you couldn't have predicted Zach Wilson was going to get injured. But, man, like, tell me a New York team that overachieves. Yankees underachieve, Mets underachieve,

Giants underachieve. By the way, the Knicks are solid, but right now they're underachieving. Brooklyn's imploded. Like there's either it's toxicity with ownership or it's too much ego. I have never seen a city, a major city have a stretch like this where either people are awful losing or the teams with stars are underachieving. There is no good story in New York.

I mean, the city is so star for sports. They went crazy that the Knicks just got into the playoffs. I mean, and it was fun because I missed the Knicks being good. But, I mean, in L.A., we grumble because the Rams have lost two straight. They can still like, they can still make the Super Bowl. It's just, I don't, New York, I mean, Boston has been mostly good for most of the last 10, 12 years. A lot of these cities, they get in Tampa's been great. You know, they don't have a lot of money in Tampa or a lot of flair.

New York cannot get sports right. And it is a long, long run on this. And you get excited about things like Mike White and then he throws four interceptions. Which again, I don't really necessarily put that on Mike White. He's a backup. He's not supposed to be starting every single game. Well, the Jets host Miami on Sunday and our three and a half point underdogs, according to Fox Bet.

And I think I like Miami in that spot. Oh, I love Miami. Yeah. Love Miami. Joy of the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Live News.

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Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tomorrow on Thursday night football, Mack Jones leads the Patriots to Atlanta to battle Matt Ryan and the Falcons. It all starts at 730 Eastern, 430 Pacific on Fox NFL Network and streaming on Prime Video. All right, the game is called Who You Heard. to try to match the NFL quarterback to their cadence.

They use the line of scrimmage. If I struggle, Joy is here to give me clues. You ready? I don't know. I have no idea what this game is. So here we go. Okay. Let's hear the first quarterback.

Oscar, Oscar, Oscar. I can't. Green 80. Reset. Okay. Okay. You know who that sounds like? I mean, I know who it is.

I don't know how you're going to make... Big Ben. Wrong. So do I get a clue? This is going to be impossible. Well, with the clues, it won't be as impossible. So this quarterback was the 2008 offensive rookie of the year and the 2016 NFL MVP. Matt Ryan?

Yes. Okay, so Matt Ryan is the first one. It sounded very like a big man, throaty, a big man. Thrody. All right. Here we go. All right, let's listen to the next one. I know who they are.

So I'm trying to like close my eyes and listen. Okay, that sounded like Jimmy Garapolo. Okay, give me my clue. Can I just pick any clue? I'm supposed to go in order here, guys. The quarterback has won a Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP, and an NFL MVP award. Mahomes? Yes.

Okay. All right. It's hard. All right. Here's the next one. God, that's not like a cold. That was very scratchy. So that's somebody who's not used to doing this.

They don't have the pipes to do this. They're not comfortable doing this. So it's somebody young. If I said, Kyler Murray, not young enough. But this quarterback is a former child model. What kind of clue is that?

Give me another clue. He won multiple national championships in college. Multiple? Mm-hmm. Multiple national champion. All right, you'll know now. This quarterback played for the head coach with the most active wins in college football and the head coach with the most active wins in the NFL.

Mack Jones? Correct. So I was right. You were right about the young. The young. He didn't sound comfortable. I could kind of hear it. I don't know. All right.

All right. Let's do this next one. We're up 42 up in the one. Watch 24. 319. 24's a mic. Watch 91. 319.

Get! Sounds like air traffic control. That one actually is probably the easiest one. Oh, that's the easy one? Yeah. Let me hear it again. That's the easy one. Do you want the hint or you want to hear it?

I want to hear the cadence again if that's the easy one. Good. 42. 51. 21. Watch 24. 29. 24 is Mike.

Lex 91. 319. Get! Okay. So that's a veteran because they're really manipulating the line. So that's going to be Aaron or Brady. I'm going to... Is it Brady? That sounds very manipulative.

He went numbers barking, numbers up, down. That's how... Mac Jones sounded like he didn't want to offend anybody at the line. Brady sounded like he was running a company. All right. Let's try the next one. Brady! Come on! Hey, yes, yeah!

Hey, no, no, no. No, no. Hey, Alpha, alpha, alpha. Get on. Ready! Now, he's yelling alpha. That seems a little simple. So it could be a younger quarterback, Alpha Alpha.

You want to hit? I think you should listen to it again. I think you'll catch it. Okay, do it again. Do it again. I want to hear it again. Ready! Come on.

Hey, yes, yeah. Hey, no, no, no. Hey, Alpha, alpha, alpha. Get on. Ready. That's hot. Won a Heisman trophy in 2016. Kyler Marie?

Lamar Jackson. All right. Lamar Jackson. All right. It sounded, Alpha was too, Alpha sounds like a young guy word. Like old veterans are got, I mean, Brady's was like so deep and a bunch of different rhythms.

And Brady was manipulating the line. You could tell it was an older guy. I think this one's going to be tough. All right. Let's see this next one. White 80. It hot. It's James Hardin, Mike.

James Hardin. Okay, James Harden, Purple Walrus. So that's got to be somebody that... Okay, so James Harden probably is a reference to threes. James Harden, somebody that likes the NBA, James Harden, Purple Walrus, somebody with a sense of humor. God, that's it. Do you know, is it an easy one? Because I know who it is, I can tell.

You know, we want to listen to it one more time? Let me hear it one more time. White 80? James Hardin. Okay, again, that sounds very... Are you listening to the sound of his voice? Yeah, but there's a lot there, so it tells me it's a veteran, because there's a lot going on there.

Purple Walruses and James Hardin. I'm going to guess Aaron Rogers. It's Derek Carr. Derek Carr's been around. Okay. Yeah, you can tell, like Brady and Derek Carr, there's a lot to it. numbers, names, in and out, changes sort of the way he's doing it. This is so fun from my perspective knowing who it is.

I've gotten one right. All right, let's start the next one. Blue 20! Okay, that's very manipulative. That's Aaron Rogers. That's a veteran. It is a veteran. Okay, let me think of now.

It's a veteran. It's too deep. There's too many things going on. Ryan Tannehill. Nope. Okay, hold on. Do you want a hint? Yeah.

Russell Wilson? Big Ben? Big Ben. It's got to be one of the old guys. Because if you listen to it again, there's a lot of the veteran guy, the young guys were like, Alpha, Alpha, hike.

Not a lot of, you know, the old guys, I mean, Brady's out here reading. I can't believe he's not trying to listen to the sound of their voices. That didn't sound like Big Ben at all. Like Brady sounded like Brady. Yeah, what you know it is. Well, yeah. All right.

Let's just try the next one. Okay, that's Aaron. That's Aaron Roger. Yes. It's way, he's a big barker, barker, barker. You notice how he goes, eh, he's just trying to pull you off sides. Give me one more. One more. That's too simple.

So that's a young guy. That's a young guy. Do you want to hit? I'm going to do Justin Herbert. No. Give me AFC or NFC. AFC. Joe Burrow.

No. Number two overall pick. Zach Wilson Oh, Zach Wilson I knew I didn't like it I'm joking I'm joking This is a fun game though

Okay but can't you tell the point being though You could tell old from young Yeah I mean the more elaborate ones are yes So you can tell these veteran quarterbacks Are much more into They're giving you more information to teammates And they're trying to pull you off So there's this is what you don't hear in the NFL

Zach Wilson's like 180 180 it's pretty simple for his team teammate. It's simple for defenses. Well, I mean, it should be. They're young. Fyherty was founded by twin brothers. Great clothes, super relaxed. 20% off with the code heard. Go to Fyherty brand.com

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