The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Paul George

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

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noon Pacific here on FSR. And we open up the show talking about the debut of Brony James. Some people are like, well, you know, it's just a one game sample size, relax a little bit. Well, it would have been two games with his knee swelled up. So there was no second game to go ahead and go off of. So you look at that. You see the situation with the Lakers and they're not. I mean, they're not really able to add.

anybody of substance. Low management. You know, LeBron was talking with Dave McMenum and just basically saying, hey, you know, takes two to tango. So how's Dave who? McManum. Okay. Yeah. It takes two to tango. It's not easy to say.

Yeah. There's a lot going on. Say it one more than the time. It's like you said Mick Eminem and M. It's what you said. Dave McMenum. McMinim. Yeah.

One more time? He's a minimum. Okay. I believe so. You say league minimum? Yeah. So it sounds like. Probably.

But LeBron. was talking about how it takes two to tango and he feels like the organization, he's got faith in them and all that and say, okay, well, you know, Clay Thompson chose Dallas. A guy that's from here. DeMar de Rosen, you know,

he accepted a sign and trade to choose Sacramento. Sacramento. So where did the whole state income tax thing fall when it came to DeMar de Rose and he chose Sacramento and not the Lakers? James Hardin is staying with the clippers. Like, there's just, it feels like they've whiffed on a lot of stuff. They feel

further away from being championship contenders than they were even a year ago. It used to be easy for him to facilitate these types of deals where Anthony Davis or you end up with Duane Wade and a Chris Bosch or you know, a Jordan, not Jordan Love, but Kevin Love

and Kyrie Irving. It used to be a thing where they actually had, didn't they have to slow it down? Like, whoa, you're not bringing him here. Like he's not coming here. That's not going to work. Are you saying it's not a thing anymore? I don't seem like that's a thing anymore.

A little bit more difficult to get what you want. It seems like it's the opposite of it now. Well, somebody who was in L.A., but not with the Lakers, Paul George, he spoke on his podcast, podcast P, no relation to playoff P. By the way, every time he struggled, people were calling him pandemic P. It's so insulting, man. His game is sick. But he spoke about why things went the way they went with the course. Clippers and why he is now a member of the Philadelphia 76ers.

The first initial deal was, I thought, kind of disrespectful, right? Two years 60. So I'm like, wow. No. And I hear wind of like, you know, what they're going to give Kauai. So I'm like, just give me what Kauai got. Like, right. Y'all view us the same.

Like, you know, we came here together. We want to finish this shit together. I'll take what Kauai got. They didn't want to do that. So this was before the All-Star break. So I'm like, you know what? I don't want, like, don't even, let's not even have no more conversation. Like, let's just play this year out.

Because it was starting to get into like my, like, my mood. Now I'm, you know what I mean? Like, I didn't want to have that energy carry over into the team. Season in, I finished healthy. 74 games played and had one of my most efficient seasons. So now we're going to negotiate. negotiations. Now they bring it to three years 150. All right. We're in a ballpark. You know what I mean? Now we can have conversation here. I presented the three 150 no trade because in the meeting they're like, you know,

we want you here long term. We want to, you know, when you're retired, we want you to be a clippers for a lifetime like all of this stuff. So I'm like, cool, cool. They didn't want to do the no trade. Wow. So then now I'm like, all right. Well, then it only makes. sense for me to do four years to 12 right like at least pay me my money if y'all gonna trade me then y'all gonna trade me but at least like now i'm not in a situation where i could have got more had i just gone a free agency so they didn't want to do that so now like now like now i'm i'm i'm open to entertaining what's out there i love steve i love lawrence but at that point it didn't even feel right to come back with that type of

energy and be comfortable playing back in L.A. Dang. $53 million a year. It's pretty sweet. If y'all want to put no trade clause in my dip,

I need $53 for over four. My dip. Dang. Just to think where they were in 2019, when him and Kauai got there at the same time, it was like, oh, man, they're taking.

it over. Like, it is finally time. Everything that, everything that could have gone wrong went wrong. He didn't say any lies in what he said, though. He was efficient this year. He did have a strong year and he stayed healthy. He wasn't lying. That wasn't, that was not incorrect.

It's pretty detailed negotiation. He, uh, he brought it out there. I need that 150. Dang, for two years. What's my 50 for two years? 75 a year. Dang. Yeah.

I don't think he was going to get that. But it just... 75. When you see what the perception of what everyone's... I mean, that's so casual with it, though, right? Like, hey, I'm a knee-sev-five million

over to... That's a year. I think there's only banks who are used to hearing that, you know? It's banks and like the NBA. Maybe, maybe Major League Baseball a little bit. Hey, man, I was watching a show on History Channel called Men That Made America.

Although people watch the history. channel. Well, I was watching it. They was talking about Rockefeller and they were talking about JP Morgan and how electricity made its way and then JP Moore. It was Carnegie and Frick that came up with, you know,

mass producing steel. That's how, you know, Carnegie's from Pittsburgh or whatever. The numbers that they were throwing out there, like, yeah, he wanted to complete this bridge that connected the Mississippi like connected to different places a bridge to go over to Mississippi River.

He came up short. He was in need of 20 million more to complete the project. Like, what? This man was $75 million for a year playing basketball. This man sitting there. Carnegie was going crazy. He's trying to connect the east to the west. Come on, man.

All I'm trying to do is create a different lane. You know, everybody uses railroads and boats. Paul George is bragging about only missing eight games last year. For 75 million a year. Okay, over three years. Who cares? Who care? 150 over three.

Who cares? Yeah, it's 50 million a year. It's still a lot. And the fact that he went into the detail that he went into is him trying to let everybody know. He didn't want to leave. Yes. He didn't want to go. so the fact that he broke down

because I can't imagine why anybody would want to talk about their negotiations after the fact unless you feel like you got to get your side of the story out because people feel like you kind of alienated it's just so easy to do anymore I mean there's no reason to false report anything or create a different narrative

I mean if the team sees it and feels a different way about it than what the player feels then you put it out there and not you know it is what it is but there's so many outlets now for players to opportunity for them to put out their own

like it's not even what they say it's not even about breaking news anymore it's almost you know it's like you just talk about the news because these guys are able to break the news on their own like that that's breaking news that he's putting out there right that like for him and

how that applies like ESPN didn't break that or Fox didn't break that like he brought that news to the table so when you had that type of access where you can distribute your information the way that you distribute your information it now becomes interesting to see how these organizations, you know, how they

respond to it. Most times, more often than not, is generally a vague, very, very tongue-in-cheek type of response to it because there's no real reason to go into the depth and the details of it. He's not a part of your organization anymore. It's kind of like the Sequan-Barkley

pushback or criticism that was the Giants fans. That was outlandish, though. that was to me I mean you're a QB former QB if they said we're not paying Brady Quinn 40 million

to be a quarterback and then turning around and giving a running back 12 million we're not doing that I mean wouldn't I hit you the wrong way that would hit me the wrong way I think how the show portrayed the conversation was really interesting only because

the question immediately came up when you were talking about Sequin and Daniel Jones, once you remove Sequin, what's the identity of the offense? That's a problem then. The money you're spending isn't money well spent if you take away one piece

and have no identity. Agreed. And so then it makes it look like, well, we're probably not invest in that $40 million well if we're talking about giving a guy, what, 12, 13, 14, and all of a sudden if we lose that,

we lose the identity of our offense. and I know Joe Shane ends up saying, well, we're paying this guy $40 million for a reason. It's like, yeah, you are, but just FYI, all the best quarterbacks in the league, they're getting somewhere between 50 to 55 to be able to throw the rock around the field. And they're paid that for a reason

because they are viewed as that. And so, like, when I hear those comments of Paul George and what he was looking for and the transparency behind the conversation, the reality is that's the NBA. Like, that's your quarterback. You need that super. You need a couple superstars.

If you really want a shot of competing for a championship. That's the going rate. I mean, whether it's quarterback NFL money or NBA money for superstars, that's just what it is. That's the market. And so not to get off to a tangent on Sakewan. It's good insight, though. Giants. But like when I watch that, I go, oh, this is kind of eye-opening in the sense of, well, you're kind of out loud admitting a mistake.

if it only takes one decision that is not even half the amount of money you already invested in something else and are saying, well, we don't have an identity and we're not willing to spend us on that player. That's a problem. It's one of the reasons why it's hard for me to be optimistic about the Giants this season

because even though they have in free agency try to replace Saquan in a variety of ways and they bring him league neighbors who's a playmaker, they don't have Waller anymore either. He's retired. You start really looking at things going, it's a lot of pressure on Daniel Jones to be one of the top guys this year. By the way, if he's not, this isn't to disparage any player who's going to be coming out in the draft next year at quarterback, but it's not viewed the same way as it was this year. It's one of the reasons why people think that a lot of teams took a quarterback this year in the first round of the draft.

It's why you had so many go because they don't feel optimistic about the outlook for next year. and if that's the case puts the Giants in a bad spot, does not? Yes. Do you see Malik neighbors getting ready for training camp and I just partaking a little bit? He's going to be in that running for rookie of the year

if Daniel Jones. Is he going to have any money by then? Oh, dang. That guy was throwing a grip of cash at the strip club. Was he throwing it? It was only ones. Oh, okay. You sure?

No. I wonder, is that going to be featured on on the off-season the hard knocks for the Giants or no are we gonna we skip past all that stuff and also day ball I want to see Dayball lost a lot of weight apparently oh yeah yes he did

slimmed down everybody using that Ozempic man are you sure it's Ozzypic I don't I think he's natural out there he used to do that in the off seasons back when he was in uh when I was with him in Cleveland like he would he would they'd always have like a weight loss challenge and he would usually wipe the

the floor with everyone It's almost like he's a little bit of like a sandbagger in golf Where he's got this like inflated handicap He knows exactly what to do He knows he can blow up through the season And he could drop 50 pounds like nothing I'm telling you I don't know what he does But I've watched them do it multiple off seasons

And it's incredible to see Getting skinny these days is like That's like the new end thing No matter what like you notice Whatever's in you just look at the TV And there's always going to be like something for it Like there's going to be like a drug for whatever's in.

You know what I mean? So right now it's like Ozimic and there's a couple other ones that are out there too that are on the market where it shrinks your body but your head stays the same size. Yeah. You know what I heard works?

What? Put down the fork. Damn right. Just put it down. Walk away. We need to write a book on that although I mean. Just put down the fork. LeBron's only one is going to read it because it'll be the first page. Oh gosh! Heart right hand by Quentin.

I'm just saying. It'll be like one page, picture book. Damn. Why was he doing that, though? Why was he doing that? Why was he walking around with those thick-ass books and not using them? He does a lot of things. I think he was actually reading them.

I just think someone got the picture of him at the beginning of each book. That's my theory on it. You know how I read books? You do that? You know, I know it doesn't sound like I speak super well. You listen to him? I'll listen to him. I'll read it.

I'll read it while I listen to them. But the reason why I don't like reading them without. assistance is because I don't know if I'm saying the word correctly. So if I hear the word, if it's being read to me, especially if it's like done by somebody who's got a really good voice. Like I listened to the Bible, like the whole entire Bible and it was James Earl Jones. Well, that was the intent. Yeah. No, I didn't, I didn't look at the Bible verses. That one I just listened to. But most often, if there's a book that I want to listen to and there's an audio version, I like to read the words. It was really James Earl Jones? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine that. I would think him or

Morgan Freeman. Brough, had me in tears, bro. Like, there's at least like 10 times Doran,

during listening to it, just had me shook up, bro. Like, his voice just... Did James Earl Jones did Lion King as well? Yes, he's Mufusse. Yeah.

Yeah. See, if Morgan Freeman did the Bible, though, like when they... He was Darth Vader, too. I would just take me to, uh... What's the,

Shawshank? Yeah, I would just feel like I was listening to Shawshank. Like, he's, you know, John 316. And it's like... fall asleep.

I'm waiting for Dufran to get a shift, hold on him in the shower. Dang, the Brooks was here. Yeah, just all that stuff. It was a Marlon Brando who is Superman's dad? Yes. Was he?

That's really, it should have been James Earl Jones. Dang. I'm just saying, like, he's got more of like a, I don't know. Marlon Brando's got a good voice too, but At Hopkins has got a good voice.

He's got a really good voice. His voice is scary. It's all just creepy. Like kind of sinister. I think it's because of the characters they've connected anymore. What about McCona? They need to use him for like cutting players.

That's two country. You know? If that was the voice you heard who was releasing you on a team, you'd be like, yeah, I get it. I don't want to play for that dude anyway, you know? You got to go Randy Travis if you're going a country voice. You can't. You can't.

He's got AI now. Randy Jackson? What did you say? Not Randy Jackson. Was it Randy? Which one is it? Something Jackson. Well, Randy Travis and Randy Jackson. They don't look anything alike

Dang, no, I look like Randy Jackson. You're this going to come up? All right, but here's the other one. Who's the big dude that used to do? Hey, bro, I can't believe someone said that. It had to have been only because of the hat. I don't know. Unless you had glasses on it.

I looked at it again. I looked at it again and I was like, dang, we kind of like, we kind of, bang, we kind of resemble a little bit, man. We kind of. How do you feel after you came to that revelation? Well, you know, I don't. don't think Randy Jackson is an ugly dude at all. I just think that he's unique looking and I must look unique. He wasn't a former NFL linebacker. I mean, that's, yeah, I mean, I just kind of

in the face we're like dark. We got like, what I compare you to Brooks Kebka? Because everyone thinks for a goal for he looks like an NFL line. That's less, that's less relatable. I can't relate to that. That should be offensive to you. That was, that was a little offensive because he's like, he doesn't look anything like us. But, but, but Randy Jackson. What are you? Uh, Us, you know, us linebackers. Oh. Yeah. Who's the big dude, though, that has the real deep voice that does country music?

You know, he's acted, too. He's been an actor. Can't think of his name. Can't think of his name. But he's got real deep voice? No, that's round big. I'm talking. He's tall.

This dude was tall. He's losing way to. Deep voice. He's on like America's Got Talent or the voice. You remember, like, the first few seasons? Real tall, dude, deep voice. All right. I'll figure it out.

Is it Blake Shelton? Well, he's the one on the voice, Blake Shelton. He's a big tall dude. Like, big strong dude. Look like you'll body slam you. Oh, he's big dude. He's very tall. Now he's married to Gwen.

No, no, not him. Not him. It's a different one. Yeah, if he body slam Lee. I could see that. He kind of looks like Mark McGuire. He looks just like Mark McGuire. He looks just like Mark McGuire.

Oh, he's on the gas? He's a big dude. He sings country music. I'll figure it out. I'll tell you. Move on from. Well, look. Gedge out.

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It is The Hurt here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Ayrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, in for Colin. Coming up in about 20 minutes from now, you're going to hear a list. We have got a list. Now, who's at the top? I think everyone can agree on. But it's the following names, which we can have a discussion about in the NFL. Oh.

No, that's another list. Our four. Oh, okay. We're getting into the WNBA rookie of the year. awards. Perfect. So Cam Newton has made a claim one of the great dual threat quarterbacks of all time. He was on the fourth and one show and he has said that he would like to give the award to best dual threat quarterback of all time to none other than the two-time MVP. Do you see or think of yourself as the greatest dual threat to ever play the game? No, Lamar Jackson. Why so while Lamar?

Well, Lamar's style is a little different to mine. He got big play, any plane. Yes, he got speed that I never had. And he's just electric. And then, like, I play the game more powerful. You're going to run through you. They might run around you. Yeah, I can run, but I might probably get caught.

Vic, Lamar, they ain't getting caught. That's cap. Is that a video game? In his mind, they, you know, know how they be having some of them shows they have a little extra added little sound effects.

That's cap though. Cam Newton is one of the most electrifying, most versatile quarterbacks to ever play this game at any level. And in his mind, he might have been saying that out loud,

but in his heart, he was like, man, come on, man, I'm that guy. I bet you thought he was a better pure passer than Lamar Jackson and maybe even Mike Vic had a gun,

but maybe even Mike Vic. complete all around playmaker. I mean, he's got to be in the conversation. Yeah, I mean, I would say this. I felt like Cam Newton was one of the most imposing figures that I've ever seen on a football field. And I say that at the quarterback position for the reasons that LeVar just touched on. I mean, when you saw him, and obviously,

he had played against him, you know, you never felt like the game was safe because he had the arm strength to be able to, create a big play with a bomb. But if he got out in open space, I always thought like, who in the hell is going to tackle that dude? Who wants to? Like, who wants to? Who one-on-one's

going to be able to? Like, it's going to take multiple defenders to stop him. And so it didn't matter where he was in the field. You felt like he was a threat. He singularly was a threat. So, Cam may be humble enough to give

that to Lamar Jackson. And I will say, this. I mean, I think if you're having the two have a race, Lamar Jackson's probably faster. And so his points taken for Lamar Jackson's ability to create explosion. And I think similar to Michael Vic in the sense of, you know, what he can do with the ball in his hands when he gets outside the pocket. But I would say, I mean, to me, Mike Vic was still, as far as a dual threat quarterback, the most dynamic playmaker like I've ever seen. Like his combination of speed and he Even arm strength. I feel like if you're comparing the three,

he had the strongest arm of everyone. And maybe it's because for me, that was like the first guy I saw that just, like your jaw dropped. And you just went, wow. Like who has got the ability or possesses the ability to do what he can do? If he wanted to become a running back,

he could have been an all pro running back. But as a quarterback, he also had the strongest arm and obviously played that. at a high level as well. And that's where I feel like maybe he was just the quarterback that made that first impression on me.

But either way, you're looking at those three are probably three of the greatest to ever do it in NFL history. I mean, they're all wrong. I mean, the best dual threat quarterback of all time, Steve Young. And it's over. Up top, Brady.

Yeah. I mean, he was a dual threat for certain. Got that one. And he got a Super Bowl. Yeah. I mean, do you feel like though? That's a little watered down. I mean, in terms of...

Well, I just don't think he had the same impact running. You're talking about a quarterback in Lamar Jackson who rushed for over 1,000 yards. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're talking about someone in Cam Newton that when they got down in the red zone, like, you weren't stopping him if he wanted to get into the end zone. And by the way, like, season average and even throughout the years, Cam was a guy who was going to rush over for over like 700 yards. I mean, a minimum 500 yards.

I don't know that Steve Young consistently ran the football the same way those guys did, even though you're trying to make a case for him. That's right. I just, I don't know, man. Steve Young was a beast. He was a beast. I'm not trying to take that away.

I'm just saying, but he was like real, real dual threat, like dual threat, dual threat, dole threat, boom, poop, poop, boop, boop. I don't think so, man. Why not? Because it's just he isn't. Now where near.

Well, because he's just not as athletic as the other ones. What do you mean? I was really going to do it. I was really going to do it. I'm not really going to do this. Why not? See anybody is listening. Hey, man.

You ain't seen me busting my shot, though. You know what I mean? While we was doing the radio show, I was good at it. It was very natural within the show. More rushing touchdowns than Michael Vick. More rushing touchdowns than Lamar Jackson. Racist. All right.

40, over 4,200 rushing yards. And then you compare him to Cam Newton, and Cam Newton's got like 30 more rushing touchdowns than Steve Young does. But what he did passing-wise kind of cancels that out. It's Steve Young all the way. So, I mean, if we want to make him out rush more. He's got better passing stats than Cal? Yeah, I mean, I would imagine.

He's a better passer. He's got more passing yards. He's got more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. Yeah, Steve Young. How about that? I'm not mad at it. Honestly, it's a It's a conversation.

It's a proud moment from Brady and I. I'm not met. Most athletic quarterback ever. I just, I can't go to start with this. I love Steve Young. I do, but I just, I don't know. Triple threat,

QB of all time, most dangerous, Steve Young. Yeah, that's right. I'm not mad at you. I don't even want to say what I'm thinking, though. Because it's not close. Why not?

It's not close. No, it's like, I mean, I just, remember Steve having to run through a lot more tackles and things, you know, and like bounce off dudes and a lot of the highlights of him running.

Just like, I mean, Vic and Lamar were getting touched. Yeah. And then Cam was running through people. And Cam was running through arm tackles. Yeah. Yeah. Like, just they just happen to be, you know, you know, related that way. Some

would argue the top three dual threat quarterbacks in the history of the league. And I mean, some would argue this. Steve Young, Josh Allen, Cade MacDown. Some would argue this.

I don't know about Cade McDown. I'm just saying. The first two, you got, you got an argument. Why are you doing this? You got an argument. Why not all three be an argument? I'm just picking three random names.

They've got nothing in common. I'm just like looking around different areas. It can be random. They have to be dual threat quarterbacks if you're going to pick them. Well, I'm just like, but random dual threat quarterbacks throughout the history of league. You could throw Josh Allen into that conversation.

Fran Tarkenden. Fran Tarkandon. Fran Tark and Dunn. Yeah. Sure. I just, I'm starting to feel a tad bit uncomfortable. What do you mean?

Just a little bit, just a tad bit uncomfortable right now. That's all. Why do you feel comfortable? Because Jonas is just working way, way too hard. He's way too hard. Yeah, he's working way too hard right now. I've got a list.

I can't read off this list. You don't go to Steve DeBerg in there? I mean, if you want to go there, we can go Steve DeBerg. Doug Flutty. Dang. You want to put Tayson Hill in there? Yes. Thank you.

That's a good. A little bit. A little bit of love here, you know? So y'all had took over running back, so you got to take over triple threat at the quarterback. That's right. You got Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow's there as well, too. Yeah, that's all part of it.

Chews boy, that's cute, boy. As a defender, dual threat quarterback, is that, would Lamar Jackson be a bigger pain in the ass in Tom? See, I had to deal with McNabb my whole time. and he was considered a dual threat, triple threat type of guy. Not on my rankings. And I was tasked with always shadowing him, which I never understood the whole point of shadowing, to be honest, because it's never really worked.

But, you know, it's interesting. I would rather want to deal with a running quarterback just because I feel as though if you, You can make them think for more than, you know, like the average time, like one to two seconds. It's like, oh, I can't throw it yet. They're going to be more prone. This is just how I prepared. They're going to be more prone to start wondering, can I get it running?

And now I'm going to start gearing up to try to get to him versus, you know, nowadays, I mean, them guys still will throw it. you know, they'll still throw it from no, you know, anywhere on the field, right up on the line to cross where you can't throw it anymore. So I can't speak for nowadays, but when I was playing, I definitely would have rather played against a runner versus a thrower. Because your chances are a little bit tougher. They're slimmer to get to a pocket passing quarterback. People might think it's the opposite,

but it's actually you got a slimmer chance of getting to a quarterback. that's a pocket pass and quarterback because they know they got to stay true to the clock. There's a clock that we're all on. And so for me, it's like, if you can beat the clock with a runner, that runner's going to try to buy time. Now I got an opportunity to get a play.

Or like what happened with Aikman, where he thought that he could just, you know, he could roll out. And once you get a guy that's rolling out, that's like our time. That's our time. You're in the Sanar. You are free game in the Sarangetti when you start rolling out.

You start moving around. Some people aren't ready for the Getty. And I ended his, I ended it forever. Well, you think I ended Troy Aikman's career? Do you know that? Are you being serious? Like he never played again after that? Ever.

Ended him. Damn. I mean, I'm not bragging about that. I don't brag about hurting people, but I am the last person that hit him. Have you ever thought about ending Jonas's radio career? I mean, if there were a way to do it, that were legal, I would definitely manifest it.

You know? You would manifest it? Yeah. How would you go about doing that? I don't know. I would just go home and I would visualize it and it's going to happen and I'm going to draw it to me. You wouldn't talk to him like across the line

of scrimmage? Like, listen to here. Yeah, we was just doing Alvin Mack impersonations earlier. Yeah. We couldn't go over the air though. If you know Alvin Mac, you know. Elijah got a little, you know, throwing. throwing off by, you know, the trash talk that was going on. Well, I mean, everybody was piled into this studio because the other studio was a little bit airy.

Yeah. Could not be occupied at that point. Not even Lee. Not even Lee. He's got friends. Yeah, he's got, uh, he's got Lee and friends today. Yeah, Lee and friends. Lee and friends. Like Todd? Todd's here. Also, I would say this, for those of you, if you've liked what you've heard on the show, we can't get into the details because we're not sure with this audience how it's going to land.

but Lee DeLap did tell us what his 4th of July weekend look like from a damage standpoint and it is impressive. So tomorrow morning I can't wait to to have Lee share those details with Brady because Lee,

you did some work, man. Yeah, there's some bodies lying around. Some soldiers. I don't know. You're still alive. But here he is. Just hanging out on a Monday. Sunday was rough. following a long weekend.

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This is the herd line news. All right, Ryan, music. What do we got? All right, guys, ESPN polled some executives and some coaches across the NFL to come up with their list of best running backs in the league. No surprise. The top spot went to Christian McCaffrey. There you go. What up, Jonah? That's it. Y'all, y'all took quarterbacks now. Y'all want to take running back too. Okay, nice. All right. Number two. Good for y'all. Breece Hall. Is quarterbacking? Is quarterback's a split? Or no, do we have quarterbacks? Yeah, y'all took quarterbacks with Steve Young. Oh, Jonas did. Okay.

Number three, Nick Chubb, number four, Sequin Barkley, number five, Jonathan Taylor. Hall's two? Yeah, I thought that was a little surprising. I got Alvin Camara in there? Alvin Camara was on the Honorable Mensions list. Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was a little surprising that Brice Hall was all the way up at number two. Derek Henry just barely making the list at nine.

Alvin Camara was number one in the most likely to have an altercation in an elderly list. Oh, okay. That was the one. That's what he was. Okay. That list does exist. Hey, by the way, Breece Hall, another reason to like Aaron Rogers and the general, This year.

That's another weapon there. He is nice. I mean, he had your boy shook. Who was the cook? He had cooked shook up. Like, I gotta get up out of here. Can't really dare. Is this just purely based all this past year?

I mean, uh, I mean, it's based, yeah, on sort of where they currently are heading into this upcoming season. I also was surprised to see Jonathan Taylor at five. And players?

No, execs and coaches. And coaches. All right. Jonathan Taylor at five feels a little high. surprised that the league is still generally that high on Jonathan Taylor. What about Roach Johnson?

Is he on the list? Let me see. Not on the list, but in studio. How high on the wall is he? It's pretty high up. What about my guy? Karen Williams. Where's Kyron Williams?

Not on the list. Not on honorable mentions. Dang. I mean, unbelievable, dude. He had Josh Jacobs checking in at seventh. Jamir Gibbs. He had like 12 touchdowns last year.

Jamir Gibbs at 8. Dang. So he's ahead of Derek Henry, Aaron Jones. I don't know how Aaron Jones is higher. Honorable mention for Aaron Jones. And was B. John Robinson not up there? Bijon Robinson was sixth. Not bad.

I mean, I would say if you're betting on a futures bet, like he's going to take off. I also thought this one was a little surprising. Travis E.T.N. at 10th, which I know he's got some promise and he's had. Yeah, but how does he get on there? Yeah. Well, they didn't give him the ball last year. Like he just wasn't featured at all. I'm surprised that the consensus of the league is there higher on ETSN than like an Aaron Jones right now.

Which is weird. I don't know. I'm an Aaron Jones fan. I'm not going to hold it that way. But go ahead. All right. Well, we'll stick with the NFL here. Lions won their first playoff game in 32 years last season and now appear to be one of the favorites in the NFC to contend for a Super Bowl.

And their star defense event, Aidan Hutchinson says he believes they've earned all. the love. Here's what he had to say. Quote, it's unreal. There's a lot of hype coming into this year, but I think it's well-deserved hype. I think a lot more guys on our team understand what this year is, and we understand what we got to do, and we're all ready. I like it.

You know who else said that? The Lions in 91 said that too. But he was in a very similar position at Michigan. If you think about it, when he kind of got there, the way his career went, the way he kind of built his career up, the way Michigan was built,

up and then obviously he didn't win it last year with him but like they're kind of in a similar spot as michigan was whereas they've built this thing up now where this is that moment and like all those dudes came back last year at michigan they ended up winning the national championship Detroit re-signed all their guys they got them extended out golf and penesul and armadro like they got everyone back they added to it and they're trying to come back to make this get over the top and go win that thing. I kind of feel like we've seen this before with Michigan last year, now with another team in Michigan and with the Detroit Lions.

When you guys were calling games for Fox and you both did Lions games early in Dan Campbell's tenure, did you think that it would get to this point this quick? Because they were in rush. You could see them going in the right direction from my vantage point. You could see it. I was going to say, I think the perception of who Dan Campbell is, as a coach, I think people see him, they see the energy, they see how physically imposing he is and think like meathead, when really like he is as smart as any coach out there. As far as how he sees the game, how he sees managing his team, managing his staff, the, I guess chemistry he's got kind of with them, if you will.

You know, knowing when to push, knowing when not to, knowing when he can be that player's coach, knowing when he's got to be a disciplinarian. Like, he kind of feels and senses at all. he's got a great feel for him, man similar to LeVar I guess the thing that I was most taken back by is how different he is compared to the perception

of him. Like we only get those sound bites of him biting off kneecaps and then when you sit down and talk ball with him. Free cerebral. Oh my goodness. Like every piece of it. Like searching out every single potential angle and advantage they can have and how to go about building it. And they're all in the same pants.

Like Brad Holmes too. You know, Chris Spielman who's in the front office too. All those guys, they are a lined walking step. People need to start looking at the Detroit Lions organization now, and I don't think anyone's ever said this, about how they've built that thing

as a team to work together. Like everyone all pulling, all row in the same direction, because it doesn't always work that way. And a lot of them are former players, which I think is super cool. Like Aaron Glenn is the defensive coordinator. I mean, they,

that's right. They have, I believe, isn't Antoine Randoyle on their staff? The staff. Brunel used to be the staff. Brnelle used to be on. I'm not sure if he is. But, I mean, he, just a ton of former guys. I just think being able to relate these days, just got to be able to relate to your players, man.

And then he's done a great job with doing that. But to your point, I mean, he is a smart dude and he knows how to get him going, man. There you go. We'll wrap up with this. Dan Hurley. Uh-oh. throughout the first pitch. He officially is going to be staying with Yukon for the long haul.

A new six-year, $50 million contract for him to remain the head coach of the Huskies. This, of course, being brought upon in the Stark contrast that he turned down a reported six-year $70 million contract offer from the Lakers. That I know playoff pee money, though. So you're trying to say that he could have got a guy. gotten 20 more million from the Lakers. If you are to believe the reports, that's correct. He was going to get 20 million more from the Lakers.

Why is he throwing out pitch? I know he's from New York, right? He's from New York. Jersey, isn't he? Jersey, yes. But you're a Connecticut, a Yukon coach, which is more like what, that's more connected to Boston, right? Yeah, I think so.

Why are you throwing out a first pitch for the Yankees? Was it this weekend? I'm from Jersey City, Jersey. So is that okay? Does that work? Yeah. All right. It's not like Jersey's got a baseball team. I mean, but the socks, the socks and the Yankees, wouldn't you, wouldn't I rather

throw it out for the Boston Red Sox? Well, it's the Yankees, dude? I think you're taking that if you get a chance. Was it this weekend? Because they were playing each other. So maybe you felt like, you know, kind of, you know, both teams are going. Both teams. I mean, I represent both sides.

Yeah. I mean, he won the tournament. I was just curious. That's all. God, not even an extra $20 million gets in. know what I'm going to do. I'm going to go give me a corn cake tamale with some grill chicken on it. Are you doing there now? Right now. Damn. I'm going to do this. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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