The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Paul George fits

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

Colin reacts more from the NBA playoffs, as well as the passing of basketball and broadcasting legend Bill Walton. Would Paul George fit with Jalen Brunson in New York? Plus, Chris Broussard stop by.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you stopping by. There's always so many choices out there for you. Hope you're spending time with your family. Memorial Day, a lot of freedoms that are provided by the brave men and women who have given their lives for those liberties and freedoms and opportunities. And some of their families and people in the military. Thank you for your support and the willingness to fight for our freedoms. J-Mack, Chris Grusart a little later. Got to give you credit. You were on the Mavs.

Now, I still contend part of your fascination and affinity for them is based on they have gunners and don't play much defense. But that changed at the trading deadline. Now they defend. And you brought up something that's interesting. Minnesota, Dallas, all the games are close. But I feel the same way with five minutes left in all of them. I'll take Luca. Yeah, it's tough to pass up on Luca.

I think Bouchard's a big Timberwolves guy. Well, hasn't he been celebrating Minnesota's run? Yeah, it's came to a screeching halt, shall we see. Screeching. I mean, listen, by the way, I think you've got to rethink Dallas Mavs in the final. Sorry, Dallas Celtics in the finals. I think Dallas is aside, Colin. Why?

I don't know how they defend Luca. Is it going to be Jalen Brown? Is it going to be Tatum? Well, nobody defends him well. Now, the only thing is if Porzingis comes back and he's able to pull the center out and stretch the floor. But even when Minnesota does that with Nas Reid in towns, it hasn't mattered. Like, I don't know. Let me tell you something.

Boston better get through Dallas now because the West is not getting weaker. And we'll see. There's a report coming here next herd line about a big name going east. So potentially, potentially. So Boston does this. There's some pressure here to get it done. All right. Boston and Dallas, each one win. away from meeting in the finals. And I think this matchup is about as good as it could get

for a championship series. The big brand Celtics with two stars, Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. And because of Mark Cuban's ownership, Dirk and the title, the Mavs carry some gravitas and weight in this league. And they've got the two best closers and the two best stars finishing games in Luca and Kyrie Irving. You have arguably the best player in the world, Luca on a heater, and you have arguably the best domestic player in Jason Tatum. You have the drama of the Celtics duo.

When are Jalen Brown and Tatum finally going to deliver a trophy to this story franchise? And you have the Kyrie factor. He hated Boston. They didn't like him. So four big factors. If you're not going to have a dynasty, LeBron, a Steph, or a KD, this is as good as the finals can get.

And if Porzingis is healthy, I think, I kind of like Boston and Seven, but I don't know that. I've been burying the Mavs all season. I didn't like him against OKC. I didn't think they beat Minnesota. But Boston to the finals is probably the easiest sports prediction of the last year. They were 41 and 11 against the East, and then the Knicks fell apart, and Halliburton's hurt, and no Dame, no Yannis, M. Bede wobbly. Listen, that was an easy one.

Everybody in the world picked Boston in the finals. There was no reason to be a contrarian. Dallas to the finals? Yeah, I missed that about six times. I said it last week. I think Boston and this group is too good not to win at least one title. They're weird, though. Odd historically.

they're a 50-50 bet at home against the Eastern playoff teams. And I think Luca is too gifted and too great for him not to win at least one championship. And this series actually reminds me of one I covered about 24 years ago.

The Blazers and the Lakers. So the Celtics are the Blazers. More quality B-plus above players. A good staff gave the Lakers problems. Many times.

times in the series, you thought the Blazers, a Scotty Pippinus, a subonus, it could be Rashid Wallace, Damon Stoddemeier. They had really good players. They had the Lakers pinned in many games, took the lead in many games. That's the Celtics. A deeper quality team of B-plus players. And then there's the Mavs, which reminded me a little bit of the Lakers, the two best closers. Shaq and Kobe, won the series in seven. the two best closers at the time on the planet, one inside, one perimeter. That series went back and forth. Those were the two best teams.

Both would have been beaten Indiana in the finals. One did the Lakers. Portland would have. But for a majority of that series, I was in Portland. I thought Portland was better. And they were until that slam dunk from Kobe to Shaq. And then the closers, coffees for closers, closed it. And that's how I feel about this series.

I've been betting against Kyrie and Luca now for a month, and they're both in a heater, and Kyrie was a big swing, an aggressive wins in sports, and offense wins in basketball. I know, I know, I know defense wins championships. Yeah, I'm going to take Mahomes fourth quarter. I don't care what his defense looks like. And it is really hard to bet against Luca and Kyrie, because they are the two best closers in this series, and Barclay talked about it after. as a guard a Michael a Kobe

give me some other guys T-MACC, T-MAC, Chef Curry that's no such thing you can't you can't stop great one-on-one players because you can make them take tough shots but they're going to get the shot they won't

Kyrie and Luca are going to get the shot they won't yeah the degree of difficulty Luca takes with about half his shots is remarkable and it feels like 65% go in. So I think I like Boston if Porzinger is healthy.

But I've been saying this against every team that faces Dallas. I thought OKC was going to beat them with their youth. Luka was all banged up. I thought Minnesota would probably win their size in six or seven. I even thought the clippers would give the Mavericks problems. Yes,

wrong, wrong, wrong. Can't wait for it. Celtics will wrap up their series, I presume, tonight. Dallas We'll wrap up theirs in a couple of days. And I want to talk about Kyrie Irving. I've had my issues with Kyrie Irving, although when they made this deal on February 5th a couple years ago, I said at the time, you got to take a swing. Mark Cuban's taking a swing.

You got to get Lucas somebody or he'll leave town. Kyrie is actually fascinating. He is the dilemma, even the top GMs in the NBA face. when you have an all-time talent that can be moody and difficult on a regular basis. What do you do? He was a disaster in Boston, mostly a disaster in Brooklyn. Before LeBron got to Cleveland, nobody liked him. And his first year was a tad turbulent in Dallas, but right now it's incredible.

And in the NFL, it's different. In the National Football League, your top stars usually get in line with the coach and the culture, and the offense, defense, special team system. They get in line. But the NFL is not a star-driven league. It's not. It's a roster-driven, shield-driven, GM-coach-driven league with stars. The NBA's a star-driven league like international soccer,

and they're going to get what they want. And most guys are good guys, but some guys are petulant and moody and difficult, and yet all-world. And it's why even the best general managers like Pat Riley are going to take swings on a Jimmy Butler, a Kauai Leonard, a Kyrie Irving, a James Hardin. When you get these players that are just different, if that player's in the right frame of mind, you get trophies.

You secure your job, your coach's job, your family's security, and that's why people take swings. I mean, I think it's been PJ, Washington, and Gafford have been very, very nice supplemental pieces. but no Kyrie and Dallas is already out of the playoffs. February 5th, 2020, we looked it up this morning. I said when Dallas went after Kyrie, well, it's going to be good or bad, but they're going to be a handful, and they're going to be nights that you can't stop them. And this is an offensive league over a defensive league.

Do you realize in the playoffs, Kyrie leads the postseason and fourth quarter points? And that's playing with Luca. that's playing with the best scorer in the playoffs. So Luca needed a running mate. They got him one with a history of being difficult and moody and temperamental and his own guy. But I've been watching this league forever. An aggressive wins in sports and you've got to take swings. And the Mavericks, best two closers in the world right now are playing in Dallas.

Here's some thoughts. Unbelievable. That's why they call him some people. Murza four quarter right? Just amazing. He scored with 33? Yeah, it's amazing, you know. He's born for this situation.

He's born for the clutch situations. So we just give the ball to him. Going into game four is still zero zero. And that's the type of motivation and mentality we have in that locker room. It's not just me. We feel like the job isn't finished and we're going against one of the greatest teams in the world. You know, they still have the capability of beating us on any given night. Got to appreciate where we are, but at the same time,

take it for granted and don't take the other team for granted because they're pretty sure they're going to watch this interview. They're going to study all our habits and see if we, you know, lay down a little bit and get comfortable. I don't want to get comfortable at all. I want to push forward even more so and have our best game game for. The best people in any business are in it to get the ring. And Dallas looks like they're good enough to keep Boston from getting it even one more time. So J-Mack, they have been your team. I will say this for a 3-0 series. the T-Wolves Mavericks is a really fun watch. It doesn't feel that lopsided.

Whereas Boston feels like significantly better than Indiana. Dallas feels better than Minnesota, but the games are tight. Dallas has too many bad half-court offensive possessions. And when you have Luca and Kyrie, you have very few of those. So the right team is leading the series. But you can see Minnesota picking up a win. I doubt it. But Minnesota was built to beat Denver, as we've talked about.

they're not built to beat Dallas. And there's also something about teams grow. Like Dallas, before the PJ Washington, Gafford moves, they weren't the same team. So they're a different team than they were early in the season. So that's why when you went into the Minnesota-Dalice series, you could not take all their earlier matchups. We've seen that, you see it in college football now. Teams have an issue.

Then there's the transfer portal. And you see it sometimes in the NFL where Houston's a laughing stock. Oh, wait, they get C.J. Stroud and a good country. coach, they're a playoff team. So what's fun about sports if you pay attention are the trade deadlines, the draft. The NBA draft does not give you any immediate help like the NFL does, but the trade deadline gives you help. Dallas is out of the playoffs, even with Kyrie potentially, without this front line to match up

against an OKC and a Minnesota. So the supplemental players, it's just give Dallas credit. Big swing on Kyrie, big swing at the deadline. Dallas tends to be. That's kind of the way to do it. Big swings in Big D, and it's paid off. Chris Broussard around the corner. Plus, if you missed Tom Brady's 25, 30-minute interview,

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I said, I'll take Minnesota in seven. Chris Broussard joining us live. I did say that Cat has always reminded me a Rashid Wallace. On any given night, he can go toe to toe with the great bigs in the league. But you never know when that night's coming. And that Anthony Edwards, as he probably by the end of next year, really becomes a refined star. 27 a night, he's not going to have these swings in a year, perhaps. That he needs a better Robin.

He needs a more dependable two, a less emotional two, a pip into his Jordan. When I watch this series, you can blame Ant, but I don't think inside the building they're blaming Ant. How do you think it's in the building being down three O's going? Yeah, first of all, I think that's a great comparison about Rashid Wallace. Now, Rashid obviously had way more street cred than Carl Anthony Towns. But you're right. I mean, when he was the one in Portland, they were going. good, but they just never could get over the hump.

But when he goes to Denver and, I'm sorry, Detroit, and what was he, the third offensive option? Yep. Probably he was superb and obviously won a championship. You're right. I mean, it's not on aunt. Look, Colin, no 22-year-old player. And I should have, I knew this, but I thought with the help of Kat and Rudy Gobert and

Mike Conley that Anthony Edwards could get them over the hump. But no 22-year-old player has ever led, meaning he was the best player on an NBA championship team. And the history of the league, that's dating back to George Miken and all of that. Tim Duncan was 23 when he won his first championship. And you had David Robinson, who was still pretty toward the end of his prime at that point. Magic, of course, was 20, but he wasn't the best player. He's 22 when he won his second one. Kareem was still the best player.

on the Lakers Bird, Bill Russell, they were 24. So Anthony Edwards is learning. And, Colin, we're seeing why no 22-year-old has ever led a team to a championship because he's not, you know, he's still figuring out when do I be aggressive, when do I get others involved, when do I try to take over. And even the thing, what he said, like challenging Kyrie. I mean, he didn't know better, you know. And so I think this will ultimately go down for him years from.

now like Jordan getting beaten by Detroit the Jordan rules like Isaiah Thomas throwing the pass away that Larry Byrd stole when they Detroit should have beat Boston. LeBron getting swept by the Spurs at 22 years old in 2007. Like eventually later in his career this will be how that's looked at growing pains. But Carl Anthony Towns, it's going to be interesting to see what they do, Colin, because the question now is, is he good enough? to be your number two on a championship team. He's really good.

His career numbers are spectacular, and there's an argument to back up what he said about being the best shooting big ever and all that stuff. But in this moment, you can't shoot 27% from the floor and 13% from three in a Western Conference final. Maybe one game. Yeah. But you can't do that through three full games

and that ultimately is what is killing them. You know, I look at Kyrie Irving, and I went back this morning and we looked it up. It was February 5th a couple years ago, and I said, I supported the Mavericks taking a swing on Kyrie. I said it'll be turbulent and bumpy, but it took them, Mark Cuban's a smart guy. They got one championship out of it, and he tried multiple players. And my take is, it's not all on Kyrie. Luca can be difficult. Poor Zingas didn't work.

He suppressed Jalen Brunson much greater than we thought. But I had some real misgivings because I always feel like Kyrie's got to be in the right headspace to really be at his best. Some guys can just like burrow through it. That's not really who he is. Are you surprised or how surprised by this sort of linear success, no steps back, he's defending, he's playing at a high level. Are you surprised by it? I'm surprised by how he's been this whole season because, Colin, I look, and I've been a fan of Kyrie, and I've actually been somewhat sympathetic to him throughout his career because I've seen a lot of young men, particularly young African-American men, kind of come of age in their 20s as they start learning more black history and things like that, which is a lot of the reading he was doing. and you get angry, you make comments, you know, you just, you're going, you're growing.

And most of the guys I know that have done it have done it anonymously. Kyrie had to do it in the fishbowl of the NBA, so a lot of things he said and did just didn't come off the right way. And he'll, you know, I don't know that he'd reference those things specifically, but he's talked about how he's just grown. And at 23 and 24, you didn't know as much as you thought you did. And I thought, Colin, I was just so exasperated with Kyrie not really maximizing his career. I felt like because of the off-the-court issues and also because of injuries, that he had really only been about 75% of the player he could have been. And he still was a Hall of Fame in my view.

And I thought he's not going to change anytime soon. There's going to be some off-the-court distractions. and if the Mavericks gave him a long-term deal, I thought he would mess it up somehow. And I didn't think they should sign him. And I was wrong because they did sign him. He didn't get the max. And maybe that's something, you know,

maybe that woke him up a little bit to see, man, I didn't get all the money I deserve for how good of a player I am. Maybe that woke him up. But he has been spectacular, not only in his play, but in his leadership. and Colin, Kyrie Irving, like I said, I'm certain he'll be a Hall of Famer. And if he wins his championship, who knows what his legacy will be, how much it'll grow. I've always said I think he'll be iconic, like 10, 20, 30 years from now people remember him

because of his ball handling and wizardry around the basket. But he is really, take all the other stuff away. Basketball-wise, man, it's hard pressed to find. guards his size throughout history. Yeah. Who are better than him just skill-wise and as a player. Yeah, no, it's a short list. Finally, without going too far in, I said, I think if Porzingis is healthy, I think I like

Boston, but the pressure will be all on Boston, so I may like the Mabbs. Because if they go, if they go toe to toe in the final, a little bit of this Dallas transformation has happened since the trade deadline. This Boston thing's been building for years and years and years and years and the pressure in seven years together. I don't, I really don't know who I like. What say you? It's a great matchup and you got some off-the-court things for Zingas, of course, Dallas

didn't want him. Kyrie had his issues in Boston. So there's all types of storylines. I think Colin Boston does match up well with them. They've got two of the best perimeter defenders in the league. Drew Holliday and Derek White to throw at Kyrie. You got size, in addition to those two, but you got size and Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum to throw at Luca.

And they spread the floor offensively with their five-man-out offense. And so now a Gafford and maybe a lively, they're going to have to get out there on the perimeter and guard rather than sitting at the rim and protecting it like they're doing against Minnesota. So I think Boston matches up well. right now I'm leaning. I think I'm going to pick Dallas because it's kind of like two stars in Boston, Jalen and Jason, against two stars in Dallas, right, with Kyrie and Luca. Luca's the best player in the series. I'm leaning strongly toward Dallas, but I do think there

are reasons to pick Boston because they match up well with them. Chris Broussard, first things first. On Memorial Day, I appreciate you giving us time, man. All right, Colin, thanks. Yeah, it is, you go back. I mean, lively has been A remarkable draft pick for them. You know, they went and got the Nike guy, put him in the front office. We were all like, what's going on? Got a lot of pushback.

The draft. The trade deadline. Kyrie. He's hit. He's not a lot of misses. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with some somber news. Hall of Famer Bill Walton has passed away. at the age of 71 after a prolonged battle with cancer. Walton's story career began in college. Two titles at UCLA. Three-time consensus player of the year in college. Three times.

Arguably the best college player ever. I mean, that's how good he was. Certainly up there, yeah. John Wooden and his kind of hippie personality, you know, when he went to the school, John Wooden said, you have to get a haircut. And Bill Walton said, I'm not going to get a haircut. And John Wooden said, well, we'll miss you.

And he got on his bicycle at Westwood and went across the street to a barber. Won a title with Portland in 77. Yes. Their only title. And then with the iteration of the Larry Bird Celtics, it was, I think, 86 Celtics. And that was a great team, maybe one of their best ever. He was a great season NBA MVP, too. Like, this guy's, I mean.

If Bill Walton would have not had the injuries, there is, and I'm dead serious, after Kareem, I think he would have been the greatest center of all time. Russell was more defense. Walton could do both. He was a brilliant passing big. He had a little bit of yokech and that he saw the floor for a big, super smart. He played a game against Memphis, a national championship game. You can look it up.

I think he went 23 of 25 from the floor. So I think there's an argument that he is a top two college player ever. And an iconic figure, a quirky personality. And to the very end, very close friends. John Wooden. Two totally different personalities, but Bill and John really struck it after their time together. A little before my time, so I remember him as an announcer, and he's just awesome, calling Pac-12 games. Just fun personality.

Grateful dead fan, deadhead. Deadhead. Just a vibrant personality. And, yeah, man, that's a bummer. Bill Walton passes away at the age of 71. All right. Over to the NBA. Colin, this Paul George situation could start to heat up.

here in the coming days. Here's the absolute latest. According to a report in Philadelphia, the Clippers are holding out hope that Paul George will take less money to stay there because they're not offering him a max deal, which he's eligible for. Kauai took less than the max, three years, 152 mil. So who swoops in the Philadelphia 76ers who have a max salary spot and can offer him the four years 221?

They basically have Embeded, Maxie, and then a wide open canvas. That's an Easter conference finals team. Maxi Embed and Paul George. But the question is, does Paul George want to leave L.A. and the Clippers, which, you know, James Harden, Kauai, and Paul George, for a while there, they looked like the team to beat in the West, Colin. They had like a two-month stretch when they were healthy. But does Paul George leave that for a little more money and life in Philadelphia

alongside Joel Embed who can never get over the hump? Who's always injured? I think he would stay in law. Angeles, new arena, L.A. kid. You don't, when athletes have a choice, star athletes just don't very regularly leave L.A. They can hide here in the hills, the canyons, in their, you know, suburbs. Players just love L.A. So many pro athletes live here in the offseason of their particular sport.

So I think he'd stay, open the arena. And I also think, you know, Kauai, I don't think hard. Hardin's going to be with the Clippers long. I think they'll keep Kauai. He's a great wing defender. I think the James Hardin Clipper story will end this offseason. I think he'll bounce around.

I read a report yesterday. He's already a little unhappy. He's unhappy. The other thing is, do you want to leave an always injured Kauai for an always injured Embed? I don't know that that's... Is that much of an upgrade? Now, the kicker is Philly has a much easier path to the finals.

You know, you stay with the Clippers. Oh, God. I'll tell you this. I think he works in New York. Absolutely with Brunson, Hart, DeFincenzo. If you keep Mitchell Robinson, you move off Bogdanovich and Julius Randall, he becomes, you know, your 3-and-D guy can play on both. Could the Knicks sell the Clippers? Hey, you guys are starting a new arena, you got to rebuild.

Here's five picks. Take all our picks. Give us Paul George. I mean, that Paul George would fit great with Brunswick. Yeah, he's not needy, doesn't need to be the star, not going to take the ball out of your hands. But all of this puts more pressure on the Celtics, Colin. No. This is the finals.

because it's only going to get tougher. Somebody's going to get Paul George. We don't know what's going on with Donovan Mitchell. The East, people are going to see it. Like, look at the path. The Pacer's got to the conference finals. Why can't I go to the East and get there? So I think Paul George is the first probably dominoa fall.

Donovan Mitchell, maybe second. Would you agree? Yes. I mean, we're not counting LeBron. Right. He's not going anymore. Final story is game for tonight. Pacer's Celtics.

Tyrese Halliburton missed game through with a hamstring strain. no word yet on his game 4 status. You can see the injury suffered here on a great Jason Tatum fake. I don't know. It feels like if you're Halliburton, maybe you give it a go. But like OG Enronobi in Game 7, he went out there for five minutes. I was like, I can't do anything. I made two lucky shots.

I was a liability on defense. What am I doing out here? Yeah. I don't know. Halliburton's very good, but they're not winning this game. They're not winning the series. No. I mean, it's somebody had to end up in the Eastern Conference finals beyond Boston,

and Philadelphia never delivers. Milwaukee got hurt. The Knicks fell apart. Yeah. I mean, somebody had to end up in this thing. Miami got hurt after making it last year? Why not a young, well-coached, feisty, fast-tempo Pacers team? Now, as some Celtics fans will remind you last year, Celtics fell down 03 to Miami,

won the next three to force game seven and then lost when Tatum got hurt. that ain't happened. Any, are you betting any, I'm staying away from Pacer Celtics. I have no action. I'm watching it. You're watching half of it. Well, I do. It'll be over at halftime.

Oh, I'm going to watch it. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Tom Brady gave us almost 30 minutes earlier today, and we're going to bring back a portion of that. He joined us from a beautiful, undisclosed location. He had a nicer studio than we did today.

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Hey, I'm Jared Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out, help on the internet. Help! Somebody! Please! But there's so much more to me than me. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian, and recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, hope from a hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian! I'm not qualified to give good advice! Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man.

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And we got him, he debuts here at Fox officially for the Dallas Cowboys and the Cleveland Browns game as part of the Fox NFL schedule, which is, as usual, robust. Those Sunday afternoon games are gold bars to us, and Tom's going to be on the call with Kevin Burkart on all of those big games. And we talked about a variety of things, Kansas City, Tom Brady broadcasting, young quarterbacks, his history in Tampa and New England. But I asked him about his competitiveness on and off the field, and if that's just really who he is. there are definitely parts to me that are hyper competitive and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete

I love that competition I relish that competition practice if it was a game if it was ping pong if we were playing trash football in the in the locker room I wanted to win there's other parts where I feel like I've matured a little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely competitive and everything. It's a little more selective. I think if I want to put effort into something, then naturally I'll be more competitive at it because I'll invest it a little bit of my time, a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with a broadcaster, I don't think for me it's about competition. I think it for me it's about did I put everything I could into it in it? Did I give the fans everything that they tuned in for? And that's really how I'll end up

engaging myself and I'll have to look at myself at the end of every Sunday night going, did I do a good enough job? Did I live up to the belief that Fox had in me? Did I live up to the expectations of my teammates, Kevin Burkart and Aaron and Tom and Ritchie Zions and Rich Rousseau and our entire truck, the entire team? That's ultimately how I'll judge myself in that new role. Yeah, good guys to work for it. I just saw a story.

Sean Payton was texting me last night about Bo Nix and how happy he was with him. And then he talked about it publicly. And we thought it was a good fit because so much in life is fit. You know, there's a million jobs our kids could get in the workforce. But what fits your personality and your drive and your ascension? And I thought, Bo, I thought he was Drew Breeze with mobility. Neither throws a great deep ball, both a little undersized. And I want you to go back to your first camp because I don't care it's Michael Panics or it's Caleb.

Now, Caleb's a little grooved in here. You know, Denver doesn't have a great roster. you know, some of these kids, C.J. Stroud, had to wing it on the fly a little bit. I want you to do, you may have had nightmares about it and tried to suppress these memories, but go back to your first camp. I don't view Tom Brady as nervous. But was there anxiety? Were there times you thought, I'm over my skis here?

It's a great question. I think naturally as an athlete, we're all going to question as we move up to the next level. Are we capable? Are we enough? for most of the answers, I think we don't know. We're going to have to wait and see the development. And everyone asks me all the time around the draft, pre-draft, which of these kids is going to be the most successful? There's two answers.

One, it's up to them. And two is, show me the people that are around them and are helping to develop them. It's not necessarily about someone's physical potential all the time. So much of it is about can you retain information? Can you process it? Can you use the information? Are you willing to study and go through the intricate details of the game like Drew Brees was, like Peyton Manning was, like Philip Rivers was, like some of the all-time great John Elway was, some of the all-time great quarterbacks were?

You could be very physically talented. You could absolutely go to the wrong fit and have a coach instruct you to do things that are almost impossible. to do. Right. You can't assume that what these young athletes are being told that every coach is the same. Some coach may have one perspective. Another coach may have another perspective. So why was I fortunate? Because I came into the Patriots when Bill Belichick was there. He's the one that helped develop me. Charlie Weiss was there. He helped develop me later in my career. Josh McDaniels was there. He helped develop me. I could not have been the player I was without people like that impacting my career.

My first year, I had Drew Bledsoe to look up to. Yeah. He took all the reps. I got to sit there from behind and watch him every single day. I had a real mentor to look up to and Drew. So some of these teams, and you look at Jordan Love, who I was watching some of those clips that you had on before I came on, but he had Aaron Rogers to watch. That's the best type of training, in my opinion, watch someone else do it at a very

high level and then try to emulate them with your own personality. Maybe a little bit of the misnomer with the draft is that these players can come in and all of a sudden become this great professional player before they've really had the training and the development. And it was rare for quite a while for rookie quarterbacks to come in and play. Maybe if you're the first overall pick, but not if you're a second round or a third runner, you had a chance to be groomed. Well, we're not allowing them to do that much anymore. Now we're throwing them out there. Let's see what you can do. And it's a really challenging

thing if I was a young quarterback in this day and age to go out there with the pressure of the agents and the families, the schools, the social media, the fans, the coaches, the owner. How do these kids live up to that? I think it's a real challenge for these young quarterbacks. Hopefully they go into a system that can embrace them, that can fit and mold who they are. Hopefully they have coaches around them that can develop them in the best possible way. So the chiefs are looking to do something that's never been done. And I grew up in the 70s, so it's hard for me to believe sometimes the Steelers didn't win three straight championships. You couldn't score on them. Forget Swan and Bradshaw, Frank O'Hare. You couldn't score on them.

And then there were Raider teams with Stabler. And then, Niners and the Cowboys and your teams. So I want you to go to the years that you won a Super Bowl. Let's stay in New England. Because in Tampa, you brought everybody back, which can actually work the opposite, whether you get too comfortable. In New England, and Julius Edelman, who's become a friend, talks about this, could you tell Tom, in the camp after you won a Super Bowl,

would there be days you'd be driving home thinking, man, we? That was a bad practice. We got a Super Bowl hangover. Did you fight that? Could you sense that? There was, to win a Super Bowl is extremely challenging, as we know. Even when you look at the way the Chiefs won the Super Bowl last year against the 49ers, it was an incredible comeback, so to speak.

They played really well at the end. The margin of error was razor thin. Yeah. And that's the way it's going to be this year for them as well. It's very rare. I would play on an undefeated team. We were the best team, I think, one of the best in the history of football in 2007. We go to the Super Bowl.

We play less than our best game. The Giants play an awesome game, and they end up beating us. All these teams in the NFL are very competitive. They're all well-coached. The margin of air is raised us in. So to win one Super Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back-to-back what the chiefs have done, I mean, as we know in the history of the sport, nearly impossible.

To win three in a row, there's a reason why no one's done it. The reason why we haven't won three in a row, because it's hard to win one in a row. Yeah, I remember that year, and that was the Glendale, Arizona Super Bowl for the Giants. I had been, I think, during Thanksgiving, or I had Christmas sometime, I had been in New York with my wife, and we went to an Irish bar. And it was pretty quiet, and we watched the Giants play the Patriots. It was like the last game of the regular season. And the Patriots won, but they had struggled at times to block the Giants front. It had Strayhand and Tuck and Ossi U.Manyora, like a really good front.

And then I remember thinking, well, they're still a better team. They'll get it figured out. And then you go to the Super Bowl with the Giants and Brady the Patriots, undefeated. And the very first drive, I remember New England tried some counter or some like reverse. and it just got snuffed. And I remember thinking, oh, this feels, this feels like once again, they're struggling to block that great defensive front for the New York Giants. And you go back to that Super Bowl, it really wasn't until the end that it felt like New England

just couldn't. Every yard, every first down was so difficult. And then, you know, once you get into late game situations, David Tyree, Mario Manningham, Nick Fulz, you want to get rid of teams early? Because when you're an underdog and all of a sudden it's close late, that's when the favorite gets tight. That's what I thought about the Celtics and the Mavericks. I'm thinking about as Chris Broussard's talking about it.

All the pressures on the Celtics. It's seven years that Jalen Brown and Tatum have been together. And we thought they'd have a title by now. And they got there once and kind of folded against the Warriors in the last three games of the series. Now they were up to one going home in control, folded. And now it's like all the pressures on Boston. None of it's on Dallas.

I mean, Luke is a kid. Kyrie's already got a bag and a ring. Kyrie's legacy, money, game, fame. Boston, and by OKC's getting better, Denver's favored next year. You know the Knicks, the Bucks, where does Paul George go, Philadelphia. Telling you right now, a lot of pressure on Boston. Can you dial back the folded against Golden State up to one? I mean, I'm sorry.

They lost to a top 15 player all time in Steph Curry, who went just volcanic against them in game four hitting all the clutch shots. Like, those are young guys. Tatum was how old in that finals? Like 22, 23? He wasn't 16. It wasn't that long ago. I don't know.

Anthony Edwards is folding right now. Nobody's saying anything about Anthony. He's only 22, but Tatum in the finals, yeah. Well, age does matter. Ant's proof. It does matter. So it's not an age thing. it's a relentless Boston media.

They've had a coast through the playoffs, 41 and 11 against the East, rarely been challenged, but they were 500 against good Western teams. So it's like, you know, Boston's the city of champions. Bruins, Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics,

their standard is very high. Yeah. Broussard said something interesting about lively has been such a factor in the paint, right? So who does he defend on Boston, which is going to play five out, as opposed to Minnesota, which can't play five out, unless a Bench-Gobert. Lively, not there.

Will Tate it? Will it be a lay-up line? Because we know Lucas struggled man-in-man defense. Kyrie's been great defensively. It's going to be a great finals. I'll still take the Mavs reluctant. I think it's really close. It feels like a coin flip.

Oh, it feels like a seven-gamer. The 23rd of June finals will have a Monday show, and then maybe just fly off to a vacation. That'd be a great last show. before vacation. Monday the 24th of June. Sunday the 23rd game seven. I think that's game seven. For personal reasons, I hope it goes six. I'll just say. By the way, we have some notable games Tom Brady he'll be doing. The staff says in the back. So Tom Brady's first year, Cowboys Browns, Ravens at the Cowboys, lions at the Niners. Those are some good games. Jesus, those are good games. It seems like Brady's only getting playoff teams. What a lineup.

You remember, there's gaps in between those games. But those are, you know, that Cowboys Eagles Week 17, that's probably, that's a playoff game. Lions Packers, that's a spicy matchup. Those are two buy-on teams for you. Well, I think Detroit's got the personnel to win a Super Bowl. I don't know if Green Bay does. They're really young. They're like really, really young.

Lions are really young in some spots, but Penae Soles no longer a kid. kid, golf, Amar on St. Brown. You know, those guys have been around now. Yeah. So. The Hunter versus the hunted for the lions is their storyline this year. You know, everybody, they're not sneaking up on anybody. Everybody's ready for Detroit.

And I think that's why a lot of people, you know, plus they have a first place schedule. So you have a harder schedule. So, yeah, I mean, I, they'll be fine. Will they be great? But I do think last year was the down year in the NFC. I think Detroit's better. I think Green Bay will be better. I think Philadelphia with Sequin and new coordinators will be better.

The Rams will be better. I think Arizona is going to be feisty. Oh, please. Kyler Murray. Are you hanging out with Kyler Murray this past weekend? Is that where you're throwing him in here and throwing him a bone in the final 30 minutes of the show? Kyler and I are very close. You trust me.

I trust him. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Thanks to Tom Brady for stopping by and Chris Brousard in L.A., the herd. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite unhumored me, with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

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