The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Paul Pierce

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

NBA champion Paul Pierce joins the show to tell Colin why the Knicks made a mistake firing head coach Tom ThibodeauSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day in the iHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. One of the things I really like about Tyrese Halliburton is how comfortable he is with T.J. McConnell taking over the game or any other young player getting his. And I think that's hard. Like point guards, Steph Curry's like that. But Steph always gets his. So I just, there's an IQ, EQ, self-awareness with Halliburton.

I mean, last night, like he was T.J. McConnell's biggest fan, Paul Pierce, 19 years. The Hall of Famer is now joining us. What's sir? Not every teammate, Paul, is like that. Not every teammate's happy when you get yours in Boston. You guys were stars. You're a star. Rondo wanted the ball.

You had Ray Allen. You had KG. Halliburton generally appears joyful. on winning more than everything. And your career is that common? Wow, that's a great question. It depends on the type of leader you got in the locker room. It depends on what's driving them.

And it depends on what's the goal. What are we trying to accomplish? You know, people talk about winning, but are they willing to do the necessary things to help them win? Or is it just more about them? And I don't see that about Halliburton being about him. He just wants to win. And the thing, and I said this yesterday on the speak, I said, like, his play is uncommon in today.

His play is unorthodox, which is strange because when you look at the common point guards of today, he's a traditional point guard in my era. Today he's unorthodox. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's a past first point guard. And that's why people don't look at him like a superstar. And that's why, but his effect on the game is the same as a superstar. And that's what I've been trying to tell people.

Yeah, was, you know, it's funny, it is the playoffs, especially these playoffs, you don't get the whistle. I mean, they're going to let you play. I thought a big part of this last night was SGA didn't get to the free throw line. This team is four and four in the playoffs when he doesn't get eight or more free throws. Some of this is, and James Hardin was totally reliant on the whistle. You weren't. Kobe wasn't. But that's not a knock on SGA, but the record is clear.

Yeah. Because Holmgren's game is still a little uneven. You're never quite sure what you get. Last night, Lou Dort hit threes. I think SGA is a little whistle dependent. Is that fair? You know, it's 50-50 with him, because some nights. he gets the whistle. I mean, he's still good for 25 to 30. You know, I mean, look, think about it.

He had 24 last night, didn't get the whistle. I mean, he can still put the ball in the bucket. But I think he's just getting worn down, Colin. He's getting worn down. Did you see at the end of the game? They're picking him a full. They're playing the long game. They're like, all right, he may get us in the beginning, but we're going to pick a full court by the time that fourth quarter come. He's going to be so worn down because he has to do it on both. ends of the court. He has to defend because Indiana's making them defend too. That's right. That's right. You know, they're throwing picks on them, they fouling them pretty hard and they're picking up for that wears on you. I've been on other than games like

you're just getting picked up full court or somebody just on your body at all times. That wears you down throughout the course of the game and in the fourth quarter when you got to do so much for your team, it's draining. It's draining when you're when you got those guys who don't hit the shots now you got to get back on defense. It's draining when they score and then you take the ball out, I get it, and I'm point guard, and they picking me up baseline to baseline, and that's what I'm seeing right there. They're getting tired. It's clear. I want to shift to the New York Knicks. Rachel Nicholl was on an hour ago, which Nichols. My take is, if you're going to fire anybody in any position, you've got to have a plan. You've got to have somebody

waiting in the car, waiting in the sedan outside, ready to come in. It doesn't sound like the Knicks had a plan. What was your kind of take on the firing at Tibbs? I thought it was kind of unjust based on what Tibbs was able to accomplish this year. You know, he got him to the conference finals, and I think he maxed out the team because everybody saw the Knicks

for what they worked throughout the regular season. And everybody was like, okay, yeah, they're a second round exit team. Right, right. They made it to the conference finals. One, a lot of games in the regular season. season. But I think their roster, based on other other rosters I'm looking at in the Eastern Conference, I think he maxed them out. They were deficient. They didn't have a bench. And even if

Tibbs didn't play them, when he did play them, I mean, how productive were they? Because when you look at the likes of Indiana, when you look at Boston and teams of that nature in the Eastern Conference, these guys had depth. And that's something that the Knicks were front heavy. So I think he maxed out the roster. So I don't think a coach coming in The roster is what the roster is. The coach, it's not the coach. You're going to have to get more pieces for this team to get over the hump. I don't care who you bring in.

You can bring in Red Arrback, you can bring in Field Jackson. This team maxed out. You know, Paul, it's interesting. We forget they had Hardenstein and Dante D. Vincenzo last year. And Dante is a great three-point shooter. How many times in the next series did we go, God, they need one more guy to hit a three? They had him.

he's off to Minnesota. So they lost really valuable pieces, and it showed up against Indiana. Man, I'm telling you, I tell people this. If they didn't make no trade instead, Pat, they were injured last year. Yeah. All they had to do was stand pat.

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I have made the comp that I think he's a more aggressive Jason Tatum. Maybe not today, but that's how I'm. see the comp. You don't like that comp. Carlon, if you don't get out of here with that. Talk about Jason Tatum. So you're telling me that Cooper's offensive package is equivalent to Jason Tatum, a guy who's

average 30 in the league, 28, 27. You think Cooper can do... I love Cooper. And I love what he's done, you know, throughout his career. He's a young guy, too. I look at him more of like Andre Caroleco. You know, he can both ends, maybe a little more offense than Carolico, but you got to say

Carolina was an all-star in this team, in this league. Do I see him as a superstar? I don't know yet. I'm not quite sure yet. You know, how is he in the picking role? How is he initiating offense? How is he, you know, I look at other things when I look at primary scores and guys who lead their team. How is this playmaking, you know, off the dribble when he's getting trapped when he's in different situations. Now, he's still younger, he'll learn these things. But I saw those things from Jason Tatum at Duke already, playing a pick and roll, playing on the ball,

initiating offense, off the ball, on the ball. So will he be an impact player in the league? I believe so, because he does too many things to not be an impact offensively. He can knock down shots defensively. He's a terror. His engine is a talent, and that's something that people don't talk about.

Having that type of motor is a talent. in this league because when I think about motor, there's only a certain few guys that have a motor that's hand and shoulders above everybody. When you talk about Ante T'Coupo and guys like Westbrook, you know, that's just that extra umph. And he has that. By the way, Cooper average 19 in game at Duke as a freshman.

Tatum average 17, so they were very similar. I do think even Tatum's dad has mentioned this. I think Cooper's a more aggressive player, and that's just, that's almost DNA stuff. I can't explain it. They're just guys that want the shot. I agree with that. He's a more aggressive player as far as attacking the basket.

Because I don't think he's a good a shooter as Tatum either, though. That's fair. You know, so you try to take one, give one. Like, I was more, like, Tatum's probably was, well, I wouldn't say a better shooter, but I like to attack the basket. But, I mean, you know, it just, like you said, it's in the DNA. And it's also what the coaches are allowing these guys, you know, when I look at the Celtics.

I mean, they're a three-point heavy shooting team. I was thinking about it this morning. When I watched the finals, Colin, I saw that the both teams combined to shoot, I believe it was like 27 threes and 20, like 49 threes combined. And I've seen on multiple occasions, you know, the Celtics shoot 50 plus threes. And it's just like, wow.

By the way, do you think the Celtics go for Yonnas, make a big move, move Jalen Brown? Like, what is your feeling on what Boston does? You have a sense of that culture? I'm not sure it'd be necessary to go for a yoness as long as Jason Tatum is out. And I don't know the timetable on when he come back. Even if he does come back, he won't be the Jason Tatum that we saw leaving the playoffs. You know, it's going to take some time to get back to that.

You know, if it were me, I kind of like let the year play out and make decisions. I wouldn't be too fast to make decisions. I'll see where the team is and what direction we're going in. And if there's something I can do at the trade deadline, that's going to benefit them in the long run, or even in the now, I'll make that move. But I wouldn't just be like, well, Jason's hurt. Let's throw away the year. I'm going to sit back and see and be patient

because most of the times when you make these hasty decisions and decisions that are too quick, you most likely make the wrong decision on the team. So I hope they just sit back and be patient and see what they need. So you have the most all-time game-winning buzzer-beaters made her assistant on regular and post-season. Indiana is the most clutched.

team in the playoffs, nine and one in clutch time. Oklahoma City, because they won by an average of 13 points in the regular season, is a really young team that hasn't been in a lot of close games. I thought down the stretch the last six minutes last night, I thought Oklahoma City shot creation was bad. I didn't think they got good looks. I thought Indiana just got better looks, and I thought to myself, Indiana lives in these kind of games.

They're in these games every night. And I feel like, oh, it's a little. little bit of a negative with O KC. Paul, it's like a football team that blows there. I always feel about the Baltimore Ravens with Lamar. They blow so many people out in regular season. They're not used to a one possession game. And I think OKC looked

a little off late last night. Well, yeah, those teams are front runners, Collins. And there's nothing wrong with that because I've seen front running teams win. It's just that they're not used to being in that situation. When you're blowing teams out, at a historic rate now

when the game is close and tightness starting to set in, they panic. And that's what we call front runners. I mean, look at the numbers. If you just look at the numbers in the fourth quarter alone in this series, it's drastic how Indiana is out playing in the fourth quarter. When the game is tight, Indiana got better. And it just, look at the, did you see last night?

They miss free throws. They don't normally miss. I saw, I saw Jaylin, I saw Jaylin miss. what, three, was it three or four straight? Free throws? And then it was like, whoa, it was obvious. If it wasn't obvious before, it was obvious last night. Just at the free throw line alone that you were like, whoa, it got tight in there. And to their credit, they're a young team.

And I said this, this is why I picked Indiana Pacers. People don't understand, like, when I watched them top the bottom, coaching their stars, and you ask me like, who are their stars? That's right. We don't know because it's a different star every single night. And that's what makes them tough to play. Like, what am I doing if I'm OKC and I'm in the locker room saying,

oh, we have to prepare for knee Smith and them hard? Oh, but they didn't show up yesterday. Oh, but now Matthew goes for 20s. It's so unpredictable. And that's why I picked them. Those teams for me, Colin, when we, you know, it's the toughest games for me to play in. Say, like we played a team.

And the star was out. out. So now you're like, oh, it's easy to prepare for what I know. I know what he is. It's easy to prepare for that. But when now the unpredictability sets in, it's like anybody can go off. And that's who Indiana is. It's so unpredictable. It's tough to prepare for them. Yeah. If Siakum had 29 points next game, you wouldn't be surprised by that at all. No. And if he had seven, you wouldn't be surprised. I mean, like, T.J. McConnell took over the game in the second quarter. It's crazy. Right. They have so many unsuck heroes. I'll tell you this story.

We were at the end of the year in 2010, and we were positioned ourselves for the playoffs, and we were like, all right, should we win these games or lose these games? Should we rest and get ready? It was our seat and was on the line. And we got into the meeting, me, Rondo, Ray, and KG. He said, who would y'all rather play in the second round?

I think it was like Orlando and Cleveland, because Orlando was like a two-seat, and Cleveland was the one seed. We were like, let's play the number one seed in the second round with LeBron. it's easier us it's easier for us to prepare for him because we know it's all about him now that our lando team was a little more unpredictable yeah they got the white but they got turgoloo rachar lew janeer nelson they got all these other guys that's like a little i don't know who's going to be the next star on any given night robin robin in cleveland was easier to prepare for

even though they were the number one seed and won 66 games paul pierce the hall of famer he's on speak after us good seeing you's always me man always you bet you bet J-MAC with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. I know you love Chador Sanders, but we're going to start with the best quarterback in the draft class. Cam Ward, he's crushing it in Tennessee.

And earlier this month, Calvin Ridley said Ward had the effit mentality you need as a quarterback. Well, this week, defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons talked about Ward's ability to trash talk while staying composed. and Brian Callahan elaborated further. I'll be honest, I wasn't used to, I'm not used to calling plays to a quarterback as usually. He's still talking when I'm talking to him. And that's great. And so I asked him after practice and I said, I just help me out here. Do you need me to wait until you finish?

And he goes, no, he goes, I'm listening. When I'm calling him play, he's doing all he's doing all he's doing, but he's listening to everything I'm telling him. And he enters right into the huddle and he calls a play and doesn't script the play call. and I thought that was actually kind of remarkable. I don't know. I couldn't do that. How about that? I think you and I both agree.

Tennessee's going to be, Cam Ward's going to be a handful. They're going to be good. I feel like I'm similar to Cam Ward and that I'm listening to you talk all the time. But at the same time, I'm researching how I'm going to combat your points and toss them under the water. Like I heard Paul Pierce say something and I'm like,

there's just no way. And I hear him explaining it. I'm like, yeah, he's way off on Tatum. And I think Cam Ward is similar. and he can do multiple things. Listen to the coach, trash talk, identify the defense. It takes a special talent to do all of that, Colin. Yeah, sure does.

Chador doesn't quite have that. Sorry, he just doesn't have it yet. Maybe he'll get it in a couple of years. Next up, the Denver Broncos. They have a great defense and just added a piece to their offense. J.K. Dobbins on a one-year deal. You got a really nice season with the Chargers last year, 9.05 yards. Here he is about joining their rivals in Denver.

The defense is really good, like super good. Quarterback's amazing. I like the RV room. O-line is amazing as well. So it was a no-brainer. Coach Champayton and all the other coaches on staff too. So I know I'll get Coach Well here. I want to get a ring because I've been in the playoffs every year I've played.

So I'm tired of losing in them. So that's my goal is to bring a Super Bowl to the city. I thought it was actually a good pickup. I really did. I really like Denver's roster. I think the defense. is going to be top six or seven in the league. I think he's a nice pickup.

How do you get your RB1 in June? Because this is the depth chart before adding Dobbins. RJ Harvey, a rookie out of UCF. No, no, no, no. Now, people like him a lot. Yeah, I get it. Okay, great. They like him a lot.

He's a rookie out of UCF. Then there's Audric Estime, who was decent last year, and then Jaliel McLaughlin. Yeah. Like, J.K. Dobbins is better than those guys. Maybe they'll be better eventually. You don't have to have. But Dobbins is a seasoned veteran. You know, I like him.

him. He's a good player. He gets banged up, but he's a good player. Yeah, I don't think you have to have a dominant Saquan Barkley. It would help, but I don't think there are that many in the league. And so I think they'll do kind of running back. You carry it eight times, you carry it six. By the way, Bo Nix, they can also move the pocket with him. So do they need a dominant

run game? Bo Nix, at this point in his career, sometimes out of necessity, is really mobile. This just hit me. Is the Broncos' running back room with four guys, equivalent to the Brown's quarterback room with four guys and nobody's special? Well, quarterback's just more essential.

So it's apples and oranges. But if you've got four quarterbacks, you don't have one. If you have four running backs, you don't have one. But I'm not sure you need one. I think you can do, if you have, I mean, I would argue that just for duration of career, I don't necessarily want it. I mean, like Christian McCaffrey, I don't want him getting more than 12 carries. Two catches, 12 care.

I don't want McCaffrey carrying it 24 times. By the way, my favorite backfield is Detroit. They've got the lightning guy, the Thunder guy. I'd like multiple backs. I don't want multiple quarterbacks. The only counter is the Eagles were really good, got to the Super Bowl, blah, blah, blah, and Saquan Barkley. Well, he's the best guy in the league.

He's a superstar. So he's an exception. He and McCaffrey, when healthy, are just different than everybody else in the league. What about Cook and Buffalo? Is he there? No. No, no, he's... James Cook, no.

No. Damn. All right, we got one more story, Colin, and that is Kirk Cousins. You know, this shouldn't really be a story, but it's interesting. Kirk Cousins almost seems resigned to being a backup at this point in his career. Here he is talking to reporters on Tuesday. Obviously, he'd love to play, but I'm not going to dwell on things that aren't reality in terms of... You know, that's not the situation I'm in. So it's better spent to be focused on the situation I'm in and control on what you can control.

And I think that's the right mindset to happen. All right. It almost seems like he's one of these aging CEOs and they're looking to push him out and bring in a young whippersnapper CEO who sees things differently. Because there's at least three or four teams right now where he would be the starter. But it's like, what's the point? What are we doing? You know?

Like the New Orleans Saints, Kirk Cousins would be the best quarterback in that room. There's no denying that. Sorry, guy. And it's like, well, why don't they have Kirk Cousins? Well, let's try the young guys. We don't want to pay, Kirk, you know. Yeah, I mean, I think they want to see if Spencer Rattler and the other kid from Louisville can play. Newsflash, they can't.

You know, you might disagree. At this stage, I don't know that Rogers is better than Kurt Cousins. But Arthur Smith certainly is not, there's no chance he's working with a car. I mean, the Browns. I don't know that any of those guys are better right now than Kurt Cousins. This two years ago The guy threw for like 4,000 yards No, I, yeah

He lost his fastball at the end of last year Some of that could have been rushing back from injury From injury, yeah, yeah Jay Mack with the news Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Herd Lie News So yesterday we spent some considerable time

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people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast. We call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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Now, Christian Pulisic, after a couple years of rigorous and playing well, rigorous scheduling, double-digit goals in A.C. Milan has decided, hey, I'm going to take. take this off. I am fatigued. I defend that, but Alexey Lawless, on our show yesterday, not a big fan. I cannot fathom or understand or relate to if and when you are called to represent your country, a country that I feel is the greatest country in the world. You saying no. I'm willing to give Christian Polisic some grace. If he needs rest, that's fine. I will remind Christian and anybody else out there, last time I was. was 100% I was 10 years old. I think the bigger problem is for Christian Polisic not to be here

this summer is that you got to read the room, dude. I think that's a fair criticism. Policic, however, I think well responded criticism. It sucks for me to miss out with the team. I want to be a part of the team always. I started to think what's, you know, what is best and what is going to be best for me leading into next year and going into the World Cup. And was that to play eight more games and then get no rest at all, go straight into preseason and then grind another year and go straight into the World Cup? That's not what I felt was best for my body. But the only point that I would make with that is that I did want to be a part of

at least the two friendlies. I did speak with the coaches and I asked and I wanted to be a part of the team in whatever capacity I could. And they said no. They said they only wanted one roster. And that's coach's decision. I fully respect that. And I have to make the best decision for myself and also, you know, in the long run for my team.

So my take is Pulisic is at another level than even Weston McKinney. And so the number one thing is the World Cup in being ready for it, which he just alluded to. And the number two thing is making that money in Europe. That's the most important stuff. The gold cup is not. And my take is, if you are the best in the world, or at least the best in America at something, the rules change. And there are a couple of guys, Tyler Adams is a good player. He's banged up. So I think with Polisic, he is a really good player for A.C. Milan, double-digit goals.

And it is intense. So he's had the second most goals and assists in the Serie A over the last two years. And that's one of the top leagues in Europe. So he's a star over there. And that's where you make your money. You're not making it in the MLS. making it over there. And so his take is I'm just going to be ready for the World Cup. And I also, that's where the money is. And he goes, well, I mean, it's not loyal to,

you're as loyal as your options. His options are great. I defend it. Now, again, these are just, it's just data. There are no opinions here, but there was another Cleveland Brown's mini camp practice today. So here are the numbers with the four quarterbacks for the Browns. Once again, Shadur was the most accurate once again. So now, so Flacco was two or seven. Everybody was pretty accurate, but, but, you know, Shadur 7 and 9. So Shadur Sanders now, all in, has completed 77.5% of his throws.

Flacco, 51%, Kenny Pickett, 60%, about his career average, and Dylan Gabriel, 57, 58%. So, no, no, no. In fairness, Eric Mangini pushed back on what he views as a little hyperbolic attitude by me. There is a desperation coming off with Deshaun Watson for some quarterback to emerge, for some hope to be there for the franchise. And they thought Chodor could potentially be a high pick form. And then they get him in the fifth round. So it's just, it exploded in Cleveland the second that he got here.

And what Kevin Stefansky is trying to do is he's trying to tamper it down. He's trying to push it down. And you see, all of his reps have been with the back-end guys. He hasn't gotten any reps with the ones. To me, that's a good decision. because as soon as he gets in with the ones, then the hype train is going to roll even further. Listen, this show is not a big opinion show. It's just about stats and data, and the stats are rather convincing America's honesty broker.

I'm not America's opinion broker. It's just data. All I do is get stats and documents all day and feed into the audience, sharing data, again, from Ohio. So, I can't believe I'm going to say this. Colin, isn't being the most accurate quarterback in Brown's camp right now, like being the tallest guy in Dylan Gabriel's family? Like, it just doesn't matter that much when you compare it at large. Like, who cares that he's 77% in camp with the backups?

Like, Con, I, I, yes, I do understand this has become schick. It's funny. Ha, ha. I enjoy it. But then they put the camera on me, and they want me to put me to put. back because they like the sparring. At some point, I'll just say this. If Jimmy Haslam is the one that said draft him, and there is overwhelming sentiment among

NFL reporters, that's what happened. We have the video of Kevin Stefansky and Andrew Barry like, yeah, that's great. Okay. If that's true, that the owner who wanted Johnny Mansell and Baker Mayfield and Sean Watson, if all the other quarterbacks are completing 58%, Shadour's at 77%. You really think you're going to usurp the owner's opinion. You think you're not going to pay attention.

You're going to get to a point where the numbers, and not to mention, talk radio in Cleveland, which, by the way, Jimmy Haslam can be affected by that. We've seen that. Remember Jimmy, he acknowledged that he drafted Johnny Mansell because a guy in the street told him to draft Johnny Mansell. Isn't there an equivalent where like maybe somebody here got sick of my jets and LeBron and all this stuff? And they were like, we're getting out of McIntyre.

We're getting somebody for Cowherd. And you just didn't like that person. That you're Kevin Stefansky and the new person would be Shador Sanders. They want to bring in somebody else. But you who run the show, you're not feeling this. Kevin Stifansky wanted Dylan Gabriel. That's it. No.

We understand that, right? He didn't love Dylan Gabriel. He drafted him to get out of the Shadour business. Where did you get that from? My guy John Middilkoffs said, why would you draft him there? You already had Pickett and Flacco. Why would you reach on Dylan Gabriel?

Because you didn't want to get into the Shadur stuff. I thought Albert Breer told us, hey, Stefansky's in love with the quick release, the processing, the accuracy. Those are things he loves. And he loved them about Gabriel. Oh, yeah. But it's funny in camp,

Shadour is all of those things. Yeah, against backups. Well, again, he's thrown to backups. Let's see what he does against the ones in August. I love being right. So far I am. We'll see you tomorrow. Hey, guys, it's us.

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