The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 3 - Playoff QB draft

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Joel Klatt joins The Herd to talk about this season in college football and the College Football Playoff Colin and J-Mac faceoff in a playoff QB draft with a shocking selection going number 1 overallSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Well, Joel Clatt, he's the voice of college football here, and we have a crazy weekend. Indiana, Notre Dame, starts on Friday. Marcus Freeman just signed an extension, which doesn't surprise me because he's really good. There was rumors about the Bears' job. I want to go to Texas, though. So the last three weeks I've watched them, and I'd make an argument, Arch Manning is a better fit at quarterback. I don't like going into a playoff and not loving your quarterback.

it feels like they've gotten conservative to me. When I watch them, and I see all that five-star talent, I see it on defense. I don't see it on offense. Is there any chance? If Texas struggled in the first half, and Clemson's got a real defense, they just go with Arch,

and they just say, it's been bad for a month. Do you think Sark would do that? He did it against Georgia in that first matchup, right? Colin, you know, so, like, I think that there are certainly elements of Texas's offense that I believe in more if Arch is on the field. He's much more mobile than Quinn U.S. is. And right now, he changes the pace of his throws to a different degree. One of the things, and I know this is a small thing, but with Ewers in there, they have certainly regressed offensively.

In fact, for their last seven games, they've scored 20 points or less. Yeah. And that's not what you would expect from a Steve Sarkesian offense. And one of the things that has happened is that as as yours became more immobile with that banged-up ankle, then the level of stress on just the passing game, and his ability to throw guys open went way up. And he doesn't really do that. He doesn't change the pace on his throws all that much.

He's a float thrower. He throws with touch almost all the time. He doesn't necessarily drive into tight windows and really throw guys open. So because of that, there's a ton of stress on Steve Sarkesian to scheme guys open for him. Yeah. And when he faces good defenses, that's tough. So I do think that there's a little bit of an element. Remember the Tua Jalen Hertz Alabama team?

Yeah. Remember Nick Saban? He was toying around with, hey, are we going to be better with Tua to throw the football rather than Jalen in there? And then when he had to have it against Georgia in the national championship game, he pulled the trigger. I just wondered to myself, like, if they were struggling, how short is that leash on Quinn yours? I think it would be pretty short. Okay, so Urban Meyer came on yesterday,

and he said basically Ohio State's going to have to throw. Their offensive lines are not going to create openings against the SECD line. It's not. And all of a sudden, I look at the weather. It's 13 degrees. They lost confidence of Will Howard in the game against Michigan. I think Tennessee's got a better defense than Michigan,

but they both have great D lines. I don't know. J-Mack thinks that they're going to roll. I think this is a, I think this puppy's got 23, 20, 20 written all over it. I mean, what do you think it's going to look like? What's this game going to look like? Buckeyes' balls.

So history would suggest that when Ryan Day has a poor showing, that he fixes it pretty quickly. And I go back to this. Like in 2019, remember they lost the Clemson in that game against Trevor Lawrence. And then the next year, he got another shot at Clemson. They dropped, what was it, like, 49? on them in that game in 2020 in the playoff with Justin Field.

They lose to Michigan. They go to the Rose Bowl, face Utah. They drop 48 on Utah. That was 2021. In 2020, they lose to Michigan, still get into the playoff. They go face Georgia. They put 41 on that Georgia team, albeit in a loss. And so, like, to me, when Ryan gets put into a corner and his offenses get put into a corner, and they don't play as well as they should, he's got a little bit of a time to evaluate that. He usually comes out swinging. And there is no doubt they have been, even self-admittedly, their game plan against Michigan was totally wrong. Chip Kelly talked about it. So I fully expect Ohio State to come out and play a game in space in the passing game and try to utilize their weapons. I really do.

I don't know if they have to throw the ball down the field as much as they need to play the game in space. If they do that, they're going to score some points. There's no doubt because they're too talented not to. The game plan against Michigan was wild. conservative. I think that that game and opponent is more inside of their heads than anything else. So I'm actually going to go opposite of you. I think Ohio State comes out and plays really well offensively, loose offensively, and aggressive offensively. And I think that they're going to score quite a few points because of it. So is Indiana a fraud like against Ohio State and beat up on the Rutgers of the world? Or can they play with Notre Dame? Well, I mean, look at it this way.

Notre Dame and Indiana are actually fairly similar in that they both played very weak schedules and they beat up on those weak schedules. Now, it just so happened that Indiana played one great team. They lost to that one great team on the road. Notre Dame lost in Northern Illinois at home. And so I think when you look at this game, I think Indiana's got a great shot. Of all the games, this is the one that we could see an upset. I actually think I even picked an upset.

I think Indiana could absolutely win this game. And the one reason is because they're strong right where you have to be strong in order to beat Notre Dame. And that's specifically the run defense. Their run defense is very unique. First of all, from a schematic standpoint, they don't just force their defensive linemen to take one gap and stay in that area. They let them kind of play, and then the linebackers fit opposite. And it's because they have all these guys from JMU that played for their coordinator at JMU. They know this defense.

It's a unique style of defense. and they're the number one rushing defense in the country. Well, if you can force the game onto the shoulder of Riley Leonard and the passing game, then I like your chances if you're Indiana. Because here's the thing. Curtis Rourke is a better quarterback than Riley Leonard. If you get into a situation where you just have to trust the quarterbacks and the offenses, I would trust Indiana specifically because of that issue with the run defense against Notre Dame's run offense.

The one thing that I will say, though, is that I don't think Indiana has seen a run game like Notre Dame's at all. at all. So it won't surprise me at all if they struggle actually stopping the run. But this is the one game that I would say that the underdog has a good chance to win. Okay, two things here we have to address. Everybody now is selling their stock on Lincoln Riley. And I said this. Because it's a high profile program, people go, oh, they lost all these five star guys. None of them were as good as people thought. Actually, their best receivers. I totally disagree. Zachary Branch was, He's fast. An electric player. Fast. Electric player.

And my take is, then, why couldn't they get him the ball? I mean, it was Lemon was the better receiver. You have to ask your coach about that, Colin. Do you think they're done? Is that the coach's responsibility? Well, I mean, if I think he's over, I think he's a classic great YouTube highlighter and you get him in the program and it's like, he's a return man. I don't know.

I mean, I watch their other four-star guys and they're all lighting it up. And I'm like, the five-star guy is not that good. I mean, I don't know. When you lose Deuce and you lose Kiron Hudson, like they've got a major problem. You can explain it away all you want. No, no, no. They've got a major problem on their hands. The fact is that if you were to sit here three and four years ago, five years ago,

before NIL really became a thing, and you were to say like, hey, at some point in college football's future, you're going to have unlimited free agency, unlimited NIL, and so players can choose where to go. They can choose what brands they want to play for in what markets they want to play in them, you would have thought to yourself, oh my gosh, that is heaven for USC. And here we are, and USC right now is spiraling. And that's, that is a dangerous place to be because when you lose momentum, it's almost impossible to get it back. One of the few examples that I've ever seen in college football history where a coach and a program lost total momentum and got it back to the point where they could go win the national championship was Michigan just a couple of

years ago. In the COVID year, they wanted to fire Jim Harbaugh, and all of a sudden, it was this miraculous turnaround into the point where they ended up winning a national championship. Can it happen? Yes, but I got to tell you, like, I'm worried for USC right now. Well, I've always been a little more optimistic. Very optimistic personality. Well, but here's the problem. Their roster is going to be less talented next year than it was this year. And Colin, they lost them to Maryland and to Minnesota. That's true. So if you're telling me their roster is going to be worse from a talent perspective, how can you expect

their team to be better from a record perspective? Well, I don't think the guys they're losing or as good as you think. That's star system. I don't know. I'm not big into that. I'm into, I'm in a that is a wild take of yours. I got to tell you, man. That is, whew, that is, that is some optimism right there. You are an optimist. I really am. So Urban Meyer said yesterday, 10 years ago, Belichick would have struggled in college.

But now it's all negotiating. You don't have to go knock on doors. That's right. It's just all negotiating, he'll do fine. What do you make a Belichick at Carolina? I totally agree with Urban Meyer. You know, it used to be that in college football, it was about relationships and development. in a lot of senses. And you had to sell the ability of that player to go to your place and win championships

and then go to the National Football League. That's what recruiting was. It was relationships, NFL, national championships. And it was so few programs that could dominate those arenas, okay, and could really convince guys that, like, you have to come here if you want to win a national championship. You have to come here. Look at our lineage of players in the National Football League. Okay. And now it's different. It's very different. Now you've got to evaluate. talent and you've got to do it well because of the transfer portal and recruiting. Well, I would argue that Bill Belichick knows what he's doing as far as evaluating talent. Then you've got to value that talent.

And that's what the difference is now as opposed to in the past is that you've got to value that with the rev share and understand what you're going to pay these guys. And you can't overpay for guys that are not going to contribute. You just can't. And so I think his background is going to pay huge dividends in terms of that. I also believe that the top of college football is flatter than it's ever been as far as parity is going. And so in-game situational coaching is becoming much more important than it was four and five years ago. That's going to be a big feather in Bill Belichick's hat.

And the last thing that I would say is that right now, there are so many different paths to success in college football as opposed to seven years ago. In the height of the 14 playoff, Colin, you had to be Georgia or Alabama or Ohio State or Clemson because those are the only teams that could dominate those areas that I was talking about previous. Now, look at these four of the 12 teams in the college football playoff are Indiana with a first-year head coach and transfers from JMU. Kenny Dillingham at Arizona State was picked to finish 16th in the Big 12. You've got SMU, which is paying to be in the ACC and not collecting a rev share. Rhett Lashley brings in all these guys from his time at Miami. and you've got Boise State.

So the number of ways to get to the top end of college football and define yourself as successful is there's just more paths to that now. And so I fully expect Bill Belichick to work out at North Carolina. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Steve Kovino. And I'm Rich Davis.

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Okay, I think we're going to get close games. J-MAC says blowouts. You think Notre Dame, Indiana is close, but potential blowouts. So I can't wait. I'm very excited. I am. I've got a close game in Texas Clemson. Oh, you did.

I think if I was a betting man, I would take the points with Clemson, because I don't think Texas is going to be able to score 30 or more. And then I'm just like, the one game I think could get away from somebody would be Penn State SMU. SMU, the two best teams they faced all year they lost. Meanwhile, Penn State is like knocking on the door of that elite status in our sport. Good seeing you, clap. Joel clap.

It's great to see you. Great to see you. I need some of that optimism rubbing off. You've got some sort of like holiday cheer going on. J-MAC's been saying it all day. I just, you know what? I'm just very grateful. I got trees all around me and, you know, just very, very grateful.

Look at you. I'd tell you what. I'm grateful that you have me on. Every week. I really am. I feel the same way. It's great to see you, my man. It's great to see you, buddy.

J-Mack, from that point, I don't know if you can top it. That kind of cheer and that kind of holiday vibe. J-Mack with a news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I thought Clat might give me some credit for your holiday cheer. Am I just positivity and great vibes rubbing off on you, but I guess...

Well, I think you've always had, you're all, you're a glass half full guy no i think you're kind of uh you like to stir things up that's fun la provocateur stop it uh all right let's go to the kansas city chiefs um so we'll start with the good news patrick lohomes who just announced moments ago he will be starting according to andy read patrick lohombs starting hollywood brown is going to play but there is some not great news colin and that's travis kelsey who's kind of struggling he has is set a career low in receiving yards per game, yards per catch, and touchdowns. How are they a one-lost team with Travis Kelsey playing so poorly?

He is 35 years old. We got a little screen of the stats. I think they're trying to get more upset at me. I think they're trying to give Noah Gray touches. I think they're trying to get Xavier Worthy involved. I'm a believer that they could use him more, but they're trying to get all these other young players ready because they want to have multiple dimensions to their offense. and they know Kelsey's great.

He'll show up in the playoffs. Yeah. So I think they're just trying to get all these young guys gray and worthy. They just want to get all these guys worked in. When they get to the playoffs, they're going back to their heater. They're going back to Kelsey. You don't have any concerns about Kelsey. I don't.

I don't. I don't. I think, you go to end of Gronk's career, he was still money in the big games. You go to Kelsey's career last year playoffs. It's just one of those things is Travis Kelsey looks at this sport. You not worry about November. Will, what they got to worry about is Noah Gray. Can you trust him?

When do you find that out? You don't find that out in January. You find that out in September, October, November. So Travis Kelsey treated the regular season like the NBA players do. I can, I can half step it. Except he's available. Yeah, you got to play like, what, 50 snaps? Come on.

Nothing versus a full NBA game. Yeah, what, dear coward. Look at that smirk. He's a little caught off guard. All right, let's go to the next story. And, wow, Colin, look at this. Magic Johnson was on speak yesterday. I can't believe I didn't see him.

That was my favorite player growing up, man. I was a huge magic fan. He has now chimed in on what's wrong with the NBA. And here's his take on why NBA ratings are falling. Well, I knew Larry Bird was coming for me. Right, right. You see? That's it.

And if we line it up now. Right. You put on that green, I put on that purple. Yeah, he ain't playing. You ain't playing. Come on, man. Right. And that's what it's got to get back to that.

And it's a reason. why the number of viewerships are going down and these guys better wake up and say, hey man, we got to change this and also low management. The guy's got to play. They got to play. They got to play. We took pride and playing. Yes.

82 games. Like I wanted to. Yeah. To her knee, ear, finger. Like, I still want to be. I'm out there. Yeah, I think, I don't understand the NBA commissioner, Adam Silver has not put his foot down on load management. I just, I don't

get it. It's not baseball. It's not 162 games, and it's not a sport where you have like arm injuries. Like, you understand when a guy misses a start in Major League Baseball. Are you comparing baseball to basketball? No, baseball is more interesting these days. Maybe, maybe it is more interesting. I'm just saying

from a playing perspective, you're swinging the bat, you get three or four at bats a game and you're in the field making a couple plays. Here's the other problem. And I'll go back to my inside the NBA take. These guys have made the Rings culture so in, it's everything. Rings are everything. Who cares what you do in November or December or January? It doesn't matter. So take those days off and be fresh for the playoffs.

That's the Rings culture that is instilled by some of these guys on inside the NBA. That's all Barkley and Shaq talk about. And Colin, I'll be honest. I think it's great that, you know, shit, what's it says? SGA's playing so great. They don't have Chad Holgren. And you know what? It's not the end of the world. They lost the NBA Cup because they're going to be at full strength in the playoffs. Remember, this was your pick to go to the finals, wasn't it? Okay, C. Yeah, I got Boston beating OKC in the finals. Listen, I'll watch.

And this whole rivalry thing, magic? Come on. Do you remember when the Lakers were playing the Celtics? There were, like, what, five channels on television? No smartphones, no streaming. There's a totally different era. Like, oh, it's just so exhausting getting in this discussion. Honestly, 80s NBA, do you remember it?

There was maybe one game on TV a week, Colin. Maybe. Well, the NFL's got games on every day, but Tuesday and their ratings keep going up. Well, they do, but there's only 17 of them during the season. You know, once a week. You say, Jason, can you commit to Sundays for 17? But it's always been once a week.

It has. Now, they haven't had as much Thursday night and then... As the NFL has expanded, their ratings keep going up. Why? Because the game has remained viable, electric, and dynamic due to rule changes to help offense. The NBA has more games on TV, like the NFL, and the ratings are plummeting,

because it's a ditto. It's carbon copy. Everybody plays the exact same style. So when you look at... All these sports have more games. When you tell the wife, hey, football season, I need four months every Sunday. I got to lock it.

Yeah. That's not a big deal. Do you know what four months is of the NBA season? That gets you to like the All-Star break. That's half the season. So just think about it. Every sport has more games on TV than 20 years ago. All of them.

Why is football the only one skyrocketing up? Well, there's only one game a week. That was the case 30 years ago. But football wasn't on top 30 years ago, by the way. Back in like the 80s, it was not the ratings juggernaut it was. Well, it was still... It was still good, but it wasn't like a machine like it is now. It was still great.

It wasn't as dominant. Yeah. So, but I mean, the argument, there's only one game a week. That's always been the case. We only had one game a week. Why? There's a lot of TV ratings going up and the NBA's are going backwards. baseballs aren't going backwards.

Football's not. College football? Girls, women's basketball is not. He did gambling in the last five years has helped NFL or what? I think it's helped all sports. NFL more than anything. Some of those handles are massive.

Final story, Colin, Mike Evans, one of the most underappreciated receivers in NFL history. Can I go there? He's had 10 straight seasons over 1,000 yards receiving. Missed a few games this year with a hammie, but his quarterback, Baker Mayfeld

says he wants Mike to get 11 straight, thousand yards season. I'm thinking about it more than Mike is He helped himself out though Put a little chunk into it But yeah it's All in all winning is the most important part But he's a huge part of this offense

And so he makes a huge difference In the explosive aspect of this offense So trying to get the ball Some way somehow but not forcing it Now they're going to be a tough out I like them Mike Evans is a Hall of Famer right Absolutely

Just making sure we're on this It's good to see when we agree on stuff I'm looking at his career, man. I mean, he's had, he's had, he's only 31. He's had James at quarterback. Brady, Baker. No, he's had, and that's another reason I love him. He's had multiple quarterbacks.

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But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hippocrat, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Sike! I'm a comedian. qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff rant

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This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the I-Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHeart Podcasts presents soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah.

This is my best friend, Janet. Hey. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. Absolutely. Now a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger hips, wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey.

With all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of being? They had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar something here? Just hit it. What are y'all doing?

Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on. Could you believe? I would buy it. Cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake. That sounds delicious.

Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You are. You are. I'm not a killer. I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Listen to soccer moms on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense.

And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball, like, After you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's a special day of football Saturday on Fox. Catch the next chapter in a bitter historic rivalry. As Russell Wilson and the Steelers take on Lamar Jackson and the Ravens, it all kicks off Saturday at 4 Eastern on Fox. Okay, so a lot of people talk, but what do your actions lead me to believe? So, JMAQ is a Chiefs hater. He's very critical of the Chiefs.

But I thought today we would take the 14 playoff quarterbacks if the playoffs started today. Now, some may get bumped out, not many. It's getting closer and closer. When Denver beats the Colts, you're getting closer and closer. If the Chargers beat Denver's tonight, I kind of feel like the AFC's locked. in. So these are the 14 quarterbacks. So a playoff game tomorrow, in order, I'll let you start. You're very critical of Mahomes. I believe the word you use is lucky. So generous. So you, we're going to go in the quarterbacks available. We're doing a quarterback draft

for playoff success. You go first. Who would you take out of all these great quarterbacks? Well, that's so kind of you. You're in the holiday spirit to give me first pick. I'm going to put you to the test because I would take Mahomes without even blinking. The guy is... At one? He's 15 and 3. I don't care about 15 and 3. I care about this year, Colin. Go ahead. You pick number 1. So with the first pick in the quarterback draft, Jason

McIntyre selects Josh Allen, quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, who's been the best quarterback by a mile this season in the league. I mean, I've got a bunch of stats. By the way, to win the MVP's minus 900. Okay? You bet in that 900 bucks to win 100? I know the

playoffs he is not historically been awesome, but who cares. I'm talking about this year and this Buffalo offense, calling with Cook, Kincade, Keon Coleman's back. They got so many weapons and Josh Allen is the ultimate chess piece. He's the number one pick. Hands down. Yeah, I'm going to take the guy

who's 15 and 3 and is the greatest quarterback postseason record-wise we've ever seen so far. I'm going to take Patrick Mahomes in 18 career playoff games. 46 touchdowns, only nine turnovers.

And again, that's against playing like against Belichick and Buffalo. I'm going to go my homes. This is tough because I really like Lamar Jackson a lot. But with the second pick in the draft, I'm going with Jalen Hertz and the Philadelphia Eagles. I think we're headed toward a Bill's Eagles Super Bowl. So I get both quarterbacks that are going to be in the Super Bowl this year.

Now, listen, Hertz has been up and down a little bit, obviously. Sequin, you know, up and down. I just looked at the Eagles injury report for this week. It ain't great, but we're talking about the playoffs. Eagles still could get the number one seed in the buy. They could overtake Detroit. Chance they're slim, but it could happen. And I just love everything about Jalen Hertz, running, passing, A.J. Brown, healthy.

I'm going to take Matt Stafford, who's on an absolute heater, 10 touchdowns, no turnover's last five games, and the fact that the offensive line is healthy. Kairn Williams, Pooka, Cooper Cup, Sean McVeigh. I'm taking Matt Stafford. I have Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford of our last three Super Bowls. Those are the three quarterbacks that have won all the Super Bowls. I'll have Mahombs and Stafford.

By the way, we're taking our time on this, but that's my second. So we got four of them off the board. Who's number five? Boy, you're living in the past. Number five, this feels almost too easy. I've got to go Lamar Jackson, who's the second best quarterback in the league this year

after Josh Allen. Again, I know the historic playoff issues with Lamar. I'm thinking this year. This is a this year draft. Lamar's been fantastic. Ravens are going to be live. Trust me. I think I talked to some people.

It sounds like this whole Derek Henry struggling. They're saving Henry. Lamar hasn't really been unlocked running the ball a lot. Would not shock me if the Ravens are in the AFC championship. I'll take Jordan Love, who again, excellent O-line, multiple weapons, one of the healthier teams in the league. Fourth most passing touchdowns in the NFL the last two years with. Missing a month because of injuries. I think Jordan loves got a great coach, got a power run game, has the best collection of young tight-in receiver talent.

I'd take Jordan Love. So I want to steal your guy, Bo, Knicks, but, but, but there's no way on earth I could draft him this high. I'm going to go a little bit, let's get a little crazy. Let's go with Baker Mayfield. Again, this year, Baker lights out. Remember Godwin got hurt. Everybody sold their buck stock. Holy cow.

Baker Mayfield's been tremendous with Mike Evans. That three-headed running back. game, even the tight end Kate Otton showed well. Yeah. Listen, I know it's not going to be popular. You guys can laugh all you want. But the way Baker's playing right now, I think Tampa's going to be dangerous in the NFC. I'm going to take Jared Goff with that great offensive line.

Listen, Goff has played a lot of playoff games. Eight. And he's 500. So he has played eight playoff games. I think that experience matters. I like Donald. He's never had a playoff start. And they led the Rams not only to a Super Bowl, he lost to the Patriots.

I think golf is overlooked. The fact that you take Baker over golf in a playoff game, interesting. So we got nine guys off the board. You know who won head to head this year, right? I'm a regular season. I must have forgotten that one. Listen, I love Justin Herbert as much as the next guy. I don't know about their chances.

If they lose this weekend, they're going to be facing the Bills or Chiefs in the first round. That's a loss. So I am going to go a little surprise here and go with Sam Darnold, sligging Sammy D. only because I think the Vikings are going to have a shot in the NFC, and I think Darnold can make a run. Colin, this kid is lights out indoors. We'll see what happens when he goes outdoors.

But I like everything I've seen from Darno. I saw some people saying, hey, fringe MVP votes? Is he going to be the most sought after quarterback in free agency? It's all because he's been awesome this year. I'll take Justin Herbert, who has gone 11 straight games at one point this year without an interception. I think the loss of J.K. Dobbins has hurt him significantly. but you're talking about, I mean, let's be honest, we both think he's a top six quarterback in the league,

and we're 10 quarterbacks into this thing. That's a steal. I get Harbaugh, Slater at left tackle. I tend to think Ladd McConkey's pretty special. By the way, Hayden Hurst activated tonight, good tied end. I'll take the Chargers tonight to win, and I'll take Justin Herbert. Yeah, that may be a whiff by me on that one.

I'll go Jaden Daniels, Washington. I like this kid. I know they kind of play with their food against the Saints, but man, this kid comes out strong. start to games. Look what they've been doing first quarter recently. Jane Daniels would be my guy there next up on the board. I would take C.J. Stroud. Again, not a lot of playoffs. He's one-and-one career in the playoffs, so he's been there before. Bo Nix hasn't. I think C.J. Stroud's good.

It's a hard team for me to figure out. They beat the bills earlier this season. They dominated the dolphins. I never know quite what I'm getting, but I would take C.J. Stroud. My final pick, I believe we're down to. I only see two names here, and I'm going to have to with my doppelganger, Russell Wilson. Yes, Russell Wilson. Listen, once he gets Pickens back, and it looks like Pickens and slaves to play, this is a dangerous Russell Wilson.

Him and Arthur Smith really viving. They just need Pickens to invigorate the deep ball. I'll go Russell Wilson with my final take. I'll take Bo Necks. And something interesting about Bo Necks that doesn't get discussed, do you know how he has the sixth most rushing attempts this year? He runs a lot, and he's really a quick, twitchy athletic

kid. So, and again, Sean Payton is part of the reason I like him. So let's look at J-Max picks and my picks and see, uh, see who got the better crop of quarterbacks. Obviously, I get Mahalm, so I feel pretty good about that. Yeah, I feel pretty great having Josh Allen. I get Mahalm, Stafford, Love, Goff, Herbert, Stroud, Bow, Nex. You know what would make this interesting is one of the producers said, why don't we tally playoff victories, you see at the end of the postseason how things stack up. I have a feeling. The only surprise here that you went Jalen Hertz, your second quarterback.

What do you mean? Eagles, you had them, did you have them number one on the hurt hierarchy? I like them. But if they win in the playoffs, Sequin, Barclay and A.J. Brown, in my opinion, will have to be substantial. You know who gets in the ball, right? Jalen Hertz hands it off to them and throws them. it to them. He's the guy. Down on Jayland. Now, listen, we all love

Stafford. I can't believe I got Justin Herbert as the 10th quarterback taken. Well, and he's going to have Dobbins at that point. But by the way, on Stafford, they might not even make the playoffs. And you took him second? I think he's pretty good. If the Jets beat him, my sources are telling me Matt Stafford is good.

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